Recall Alert: 1,058 Ram 4500-5500 HD

Ram 5500 Dump II

By Matt Schmitz

Chrysler is officially recalling 47,019 Ram pickup trucks in two separate actions for problems with both light- and heavy-duty vehicles, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

The first we've already reported on early last week, which includes Ram 1500s built between June 26, 2012, and Feb. 5, 2013, specifically related to four-wheel-drive models that could see issues with the electronic stability control. 

The second recall is for 1,058 model-year 2013 Ram 4500 and 5500 pickup trucks that may have an incorrect bolt attaching the track bar to the frame. Affected vehicles were manufactured from Jan. 22 through March 8, 2013. The incorrect attaching bolt may break or fall out, resulting in the truck suddenly pulling to one side and increasing the risk of a crash.

Chrysler will begin notifying owners in August, and dealers will correct the trucks' respective problems for free. Owners can call the automaker at 800-247-9753 or the NHTSA's vehicle-safety hotline at 888-327-4236, or go to www.safercar.gov, for more info.

 

Comments

@Zivera: How often do you turn it off. Can you turn it off permanently? Even my Wrangler has that capability, but not all vehicles and not even all trucks.

@hemi lol: While you may be correct about the Toyota, might I ask why the Nissan failed so badly in the Light Truck Shootout?

As I remember, in the Autocross stage the Nissan lost badly simply because ESP could NOT be turned off and actually ran three seconds faster under load because of it. There is such a thing as too aggressive, but the vast majority of American drivers (not necessarily including any commenters here) are idiots behind the wheel in slippery conditions; no matter what vehicle they drive. They NEED that nanny, but we better drivers find it an annoyance at best and need to speak out against full-time ESP.

On the Tundra, even if you have all the nannies turned off, the ESC will still kick in above 35 mph. Same as GM and Ford.

I agree that pulling the ABS fuse is a bit reckless.

As far as pulling the ABS fuse on a Chrysler product; Don't Do It!. You'll kill the engine until you replace it as that fuse (if you bother to check the manual) also controls the fuel pump.

Sure, there are different ways to get around that, but every one of them will be obvious to an insurance investigator or police forensics who know what to look for. Any car leaving a long skid mark in a crash today has obviously managed to disable ABS unless they're just so old that they don't even have ABS on board. Since my 1990 F-150 has ABS on it, that means you're reaching antique status to be running without ABS. The stability controls are newer, but even there the odds are high that in a roll-over situation that system will be checked closely.

Correction: I meant the ESP fuse on the Chrysler. However, both ESP and ABS are so closely tied together that you almost can't permanently disable either without shutting down the whole shebang, meaning you won't be going anywhere until you re-enable it.

On the Rams, the ABS fuse is the ESC fuse. If you like your anti lock brakes, this is not the thing for you to do.

Be careful doing this. If you are involved in an accident, fault or no fault, and they find out you disabled safety features, it can come bite you big time.

This is an open and public forum. Whatever you post on here and other sites can be viewed by any and everyone. That includes insurance companies, Fiat-Ram, and law enforcement. Post a picture of you and your truck and someone just does a little research or googles you, and finds out you disabled ABS, you may be held liable in an accident.

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Actually what it proves “Truckguy” is that RAM (or Ford for that matter) is not focused on quality in the first place. They just want to get the product out as quickly as possible, so that that suckers can line up like sheep to buy one.

Why do quality control when your customers can do it for you!

These are the same people that would say it is a good thing that planes are falling out of the sky...when they look for the blackbox it proves that the Airlines really care about their customers...lol.

HOW ABOUT ASKING THE OVER PAID UNION WORKS TO THE BUILD THE POS RIGHT IN THE FIRST PLACE!

Actually what it proves “Truckguy” is that RAM (or Ford for that matter) is not focused on quality in the first place. They just want to get the product out as quickly as possible, so that that suckers can line up like sheep to buy one. Why do quality control when your customers can do it for you!

These are the same people that would say it is a good thing that planes are falling out of the sky...when they look for the blackbox it proves that the Airlines really care about their customers...lol.

HOW ABOUT ASKING THE OVER PAID UNION WORKS TO THE BUILD THE POS RIGHT IN THE FIRST PLACE!

If anyone here has the ABS fuse pulled, please send that info along to your insurance company. I'm sure they'd like to know so they can adjust your rates or cancel your policy and keep you off the road.

Good old UAW. They have more than a few nuts loose.

@Tim
I did. I have much better rate since. The agent didn't know what fuse is.

Trucker aka Big Al from Oz trying to insult and put down the workers of America again.

If the bolt was put on in Mexico it wasn't UAW.

Mexico is part of America you nincompoop.

Bobby: it is part of the Americas, not America! as in North, South, and Central America.

hey what about ford recall??????

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@Glenn
I have written my piece on this.

This 'bolt' issue can only be caused by one of three situations;

1. The poor attitude on the worker who job it was to install these bolts. If he knowingly installed the bolt thinking he knew better he should be held accountable. Or he installed it because he's on drugs or drunk would come under this. This is a violation on his part.

2. The worker didn't have sufficient training/education to perform the complex task of installing the correct designed/engineered configuration, ie, bolt.

3. His superiors ie, supervisor/manager were notified and they decided to install the bolt to maintain production. Then they are acountable and should lose their jobs.

There would/should be no excuse for a supervisor/manager not to make the correct decisions. They would have adequate training and knowledge of how to assess this simple situation.

I encounter this exact 'bolt' situation everyday and I make decisions to use the correct configuration, but I manage in aviation and compliance to regulations are not deviated, unless an engineering disposition has been given.

If they are under pressure from above to produce then the whole chain of people are accountable and disciplined.

You fanboi's can argue and bull$hit all day, but this can occur in any manufacturing plant globally.

People will always be human and we make mistakes, just look at SFO with that 777. What a disaster we create as humans sometimes.

@ Hemi lol,

I have a 2008 Tundra, and what you say about shutting off the VSC and ALSD is true. However, I seem to recall an asterisk and fine print in the service manual description of the braking system that notes the system WILL kick back on when it detects extreme yaw under braking even if everything is turned off.

I've enjoyed the discussion on ABS. That was a deviation from the topic that was more worthwhile than the recall.

@Greg - thanks for the clarification. I double checked my manual and if one hold the button down for 5 seconds (F150) You turn off the RSC (Roll Stability Control), TCS (Traction Control System), and ESC (Electronic Stability Control). Once one hits 35 mpg or 56 kph the RSC and ESC reactivate but the TCS (Traction Control) stays off.
I had forgotten that everything except TCS reactivates since I've never noticed nannie interventions at speeds greater than 35 with it off. I definitely notice TCS interventions at speeds greater than 35 in slippery situations with it on.

There are times when I like the fact that traction control stays off at speeds greater than 35 mph.
That is one reason why I don't like the current crop of Electronic locking rear differentials. They become open diffs at 35 mph.

I always drive in such a fashion that I rarely ever notice or incur electronic nannie interventions.

35 mph must be a legally mandated electronic over-ride since all brands kick in at that speed.

@Big Al: On the bolt issue; you overlooked a fourth possibility:

It's possible that the plant simply received a shipment of bolts that said they were one type but instead were a different one with a lower tensile or shear strength. The the blame goes on the supplier and not Chrysler at all.

@ Lou,

I don't know if that is true for the Tundra in 2x4, but I know that isn't the case in 4x4. In fact, (stupid) reviewers bemoaned that the VSC did not function when in 4x4 in the earlier (2007-2009) models.

In addition, most off-road oriented Toyota products have a switch to turn off some of the airbags so that when you are at steep angles, they don't deploy. Once again, however, this system would still engage if the vehicle was severely HIT by another vehicle, for example.

I don't know if newer Fords or other makes have the same button.

@Vulpine
There are part numbers which are worked to. All high tensile bolts are machined and identified as such.

Plus I thought the bolt was the wrong 'dash' number, ie, length.

@zviera - A Super Ténéré is considerably different than a pickup truck. If one needs to pull the fuse on one to be able to stop while descending a steep hill, that rider has a huge set of gonads. I personally would chose something considerably lighter than a 578 lb/263 kg Super Ténéré for off road work. KTM makes some vastly more off road capable and street legal mounts than the Super Ténéré.

gutless

gloryless

never ending recalls and repairs

pure garbage

ram

Actually if RAM actually stood behind their product "truck guy" they would have made it right in the first place. Instead they rush product to market so that suckers can test it for them. Hey why do quality control when your idiot customers can do it for you. Another fine job by RAM....where quality is job none!

I sure do agree with you Leeroy!!!

@Lou
I agree that Super Tenere is different than pickup truck. It was just example. Pickup truck is much heavier . The reason to not to use ABS downhill is to build up a pile of material in front of your tires at slippery or gravely steep road, which is impossible with abs, because it keeps tires rolling increasing speed and eventually crashing bike or pickup trucks at the bottom of the hill.
I want to see what insurance would say if ABS is cause of this crash, like the other guy suggested to not to pull the fuse. Ask any offroad biker. Motorcycle without ABS completely Off is absolutely useless and life threatening. Similarly with pickup truck offroading.

@zviera - I've ridden dirt bikes and street bikes most my life. I've never had the chance to run an ABS powered bike. IIRC, my brother's "cost as much as my truck" Harley Davidson has it but I doubt he'll let me take his dresser down a gravel embankment to experiment. LOL

Most adventure bikes have different braking and power modes and even electronic suspension settings. I'd love the chance to try one of BMW's GS models or KTM's Adventure bikes. The Ducati Multistrada is another one I'd love to ride.

Your point is well taken as that is why the Raptor has a the ability to change braking modes.

@Lou, There is nothing wrong with pulling the ABS fuse. Don't be scared. Try it sometime!

GUTS
GLORY
RAM!

Anybody that removes the ABS fuse is an idiot, and I hope they get sued for millions when they cause an accident over it.

must be a really slow week in the truck news world!

@Rick
There is a thousands and thousands cars running without ABS directly from the factory, like my wife dodge caravan every day summer and winter. Thanks god she didn't have any accident yet. She is a very good driver. I am not going to say that you are the idiot.
You are just not informed .
@Lou
I have a bike with 2 different Power modes and 3 different Traction Control modes +Traction Control Off
and it doesn't have ABS Off switch.
Every car and bike needs to meet all safety standards even running without ABS because it might fail.I see many cars in the ditches every winter, because they think, that ABS will save them.

Next Recall... GM 2014 trucks. I haven't seen if these were from the Mexico or the US build trucks.

Seems like recalls are the main headlines at this site anymore, I want to see some more truck testing and reviews. Recalls are great if you own one of the affectected trucks, but these people will be notified by mail anyway.

How about an article about how GM is going to pare weight from their full-sized pickup trucks? They've made the official announcement, but I'll tell now that a mere 700 pounds such as Ford plans for its 2015 models isn't going to make much of a difference. They're going to need to pare at least 1000 pounds to make a significant improvement in fuel mileage.

Yea, probably around 1000lbs, if you look at a crew cab and a regular cab with the same engine, theirs about 400-500 more lbs weight in the crew cab but MPG is hardly noticeable between the two.

At least it's not the driver returns on foot, which is what a Ford is

Zviera, doesn't matter how good of a driver you are, in an emergency panic stop ABS makes a huge differance as far as the vehicle staying in a straight line and with preventing wheel lock up and eventually skidding. Even with efficiant break pumping the computer will do it much better.

@Rick - agreed. When ABS first came out a test was done by a car magazine between identical vehicles but one did not have ABS. They had a pro racer at the wheel of both cars. The ABS car beat the best stop times of the pro.
With that being said, when ABS first came out it was felt that it would drastically reduce the number of serious crashes but the results showed virtually no difference.
The obvious question was why?
Some postulated that people needed to learn how to operate an ABS equipped vehicle. The truth turned out to be more shocking but nothing has ever been done about it.......... people are poor drivers and/or make catastrophic mistakes behind the wheel of a car and technology can't correct that fact.
The fix would be tougher driving exams and ongoing re-examinations or recertification's.
That would be political suicide so it is much easier to keep adding safety features to our vehicles.
That gives people a greater FALSE sense of security and makes them drive less cautiously.
I think that was the point that @Vulpine was trying to make earlier with his Camaro versus 4x4's in the ditch story and @zviera in relation to vehicles in the ditch and ABS.
We are more prone to over drive road/traffic conditions if we feel safer in our vehicle.

My driving style is such that I rarely ever trigger computer nanny interventions. The odd time that they have kicked in they have either been very beneficial (example:sudden panic stops in wet weather= easy braking and steering at the same time) or they are a pain in the ass (example:merging onto the highway on icy roads and a slight yaw is detected= shut down engine when a gentle throttle to power out of slide is smoother).

@Lou: Regretfully, your suggested fix would never work; people will drive the way they want to drive. The only way to fix it is to simply take all control of the vehicle away from the user--something the vast majority of drivers will oppose but something I expect government will have to enforce. At least in urban environments, cars will need to be controlled by a central computer to avoid accidents, smooth traffic flow and ultimately save fuel. I also expect by then that light rail and commuter rail will be recommended for all those who live within a 30-50 mile radius of those urban centers to reduce the traffic load on those computers.

Google has already started the movement and more than one auto manufacturer is looking into it.

@Lou
I think you are correct, it comes down to the standard of assessment that the regulator deems acceptable.

I think more/better vehicle operation education will save lives. This is where I think the US falls short. The assessed level and training level of vehicle operation must be increased, or I should say the level of competency must increase in order to operate a vehicle on a public road.

The US has one of the better road infrastructure systems in the world, but this isn't reflected in road fatalities.

ABS, stability control, traction control, airbags, seatbelts are all great innovations, but the best innovation that has made humans what they are and improve themselves is education.

Operating a vehicle shouldn't be almost a given. It should be rigourously assessed and re-tested throughout the life of the operator to ensure the operator has kept up with changes.

The increase isn't just to save the operator life, but more importantly to protect others.

This is a bad way to get all the attention Ram trucks. Ram sure has a quality issue with all these recalls. But I have been posting this for quite some time. My experience is from my son's two Ram trucks he has owned and the Ram trucks belonging to his employer.

@Big Al from Oz, @Vulpine - I suspect that large urban centres will eventually have more restrictions placed on vehicles. In some cases restrictions are occurring not because of law but the cost of urban space. Parking lots are prime real estate and thus parking fees are climbing. We found it was quicker and cheaper to park at a LRT Skytrain terminal and ride skytrain to go into Vancouver and places like the Science Centre then to drive and park. That was with my wife's Sienna and not my 22ft long truck.
As a professional, I have to provide proof of competency on an annual basis. There is no such requirement on motor vehicles even though that is the most dangerous thing people do on a daily basis. Traffic tickets and demerits on one's licence and even post insurance claim premium hikes are ineffective for most.

@Rick
I am not questioning ABS in vehicles. I am just saying, it's necessary to have an option to turn it off complete and it might make some situations more dangerous than without ABS.
The panicking brake is never done properly , almost by anybody. At best case scenario people jump at pedal very fast, but without any force to even activat ABS.
Mostly people just stare to infinity without any output ,waiting what's gonna happen. Did you know that ABS is not as important as Fast Brakes Assistance so when you press the pedal very fast but small force it's going to apply maximum pressure to stop the car?
Not many cars has system like this and we still use them at daily basis.
Did you know, that if your shocks are facked no any ABS is going to make your braking distance shorter than my minivan without ABS, but with new Bilstein or other struts ?
There is much more in the safe car than just ABS.
It's very overated in this discussion.


Ram truck drivers are the safest drivers on the road and don't need ABS.

GUTS
GLORY
SAFER DRIVERS
BETTER BRAKING THAN FORD AND GM
TURN OFF ABS
RAM!

Ram trucks also get lower insurance rates than Ford and GM drivers. Just pull the ABS fuse!

@Mopar
Whoever you are, you made my day.

GM recalls 843 '14 Silverado, Sierra pickups for air bag glitch

http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130719/RETAIL05/130719833/gm-recalls-843-14-silverado-sierra-pickups-for-airbag-glitch#axzz2ZX43gdWZ

@Lou, Which fuse is everyone pulling on the Rams? I tried pulling the one I thought everyone said to pull, but it killed the abs and all but the speedo quit working and threw codes. Is this happenning to anyone else? Is this safe?

I generally don't like any sort of nannies. But I have to admit, I kinda like the ABS and traction control on my newest bike. I thought I would hate it, but it works quite well.

When it come to cars, I think it all sucks--except ABS. I think it is much easier to go faster on the race track with ABS. You can wait until you see God when it comes to braking zones and then just stomp on the pedal.

That said, I think an "off" switch would be good for certain situations.



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