Kings of Beasts Are on the Road

Ford F-450 II

What are you doing this Labor Day weekend? We bet you won't be having as much fun as we are. In fact, we'll have two of the biggest tow monsters running across the American Southwest, collecting towing impressions and data along the way, and we'll be loving every minute of it. We'll be traveling from Denver to Las Vegas to Flagstaff with a few side trips to some of the toughest hill-climb highways in the U.S.

Our two tow testers for this run are a 2013 Ford F-450 Super Duty Platinum edition and 2013 Ram 3500 HD Laramie Longhorn edition, each with the maximum tow packages. We'll be hauling some heavy loads with our specially made Load Max flatbed air suspended gooseneck trailers, each capable of hauling 28,000 pounds. And before we're hit with a barrage of emails, we know these two trucks are not direct competitors and that neither was designed to go head-to-head or be cross-shopped, and as many will note, there will be some important differences between the two.

However, these are the two biggest max-tow haulers in the personal heavy-duty segment that exist, so we thought we'd take them out for a spin — a five-state, 1,200-mile spin...and tow the crud out of them. And in case you're wondering where the GM representative is here, we know the next-gen Silverado and Sierra Heavy Duties aren't set to come out until the 2015 model year and, frankly, they just don't have anything in the tow ratings altitude that these two trucks do.

So this adventure will be about towing the heavy loads and the issues involved with that. But don't worry. We have plans in the works already for a Hurt Locker II head-to-head — an apples-to-apples one-ton challenge for the spring or summer of 2014. At that time there should be plenty to talk about, with each of the truck makers finding out who is the towing champion.

We'll be meeting up our 2013 Ram 3500 HD Laramie Longhorn in a few days. In the meantime, look for our Kings of Beasts story to come out later next month. We'll try to provide a few update while out on the road by tweeting or posting some photos on our Facebook page. 

F-450 pumpkin II

F-450 bed II

F-450 plug II



2013 Ram: service exhaust soon see dealer!!

Ram needs to fix those bugs before launching a new product.

On Monday, 4/29/13, my wife parked the F 250 at 4PM. At 1:30AM the phone started ringing. A neighbor was pounding on our door and a fireman pounding on our bedroom window. The F 250 had started on fire on the driver's side of the engine. The fire melted everything under the hood and started the tires and driveway on fire. The fire spread to my 2005 GMC 2500, a fence, pine tree and the face of the garage. About $35k damage. I was worried the fire may have started by the new starter we put in the week before, but the fire line was above the frame and starter wires were still good. The fire inspector from St. Paul said they saw the fire in the battery and wiring area often. 3 days and Liberty is already cutting checks.

You guys got nothing better to do than to post this crap?

You guys got nothing better to do than post this crap?!?

Whoops, double posted by accident. Didn't realize there was 2 pages of garbage.

Having a problem shifting in your Ford F-150 truck? You are not alone–we have opened quite a few cases with Ford F 150 transmission problems. There is also a technical service bulletin on the issue and it appears that Ford may not have a permanent fix. If you have been in three or more times for the problem, or if the truck has been in the shop an extended period of time, please reach out to us. We’ll be glad to discuss your situation and see how we can help.

Ford recalls 16,000 F-Series pickups over transmission concern.

@HEMI V8 - There's nothing you can say to convince anyone that RAM trucks are NOT the crappiest trucks sold in the US. Sorry, but the more you put out there, the more you look exactly like a RAM salesman with too much spare time on the showroom floor or stuck at home with thin paychecks. Otherwise, why would anyone care so much about steering buyers away from the best trucks out there?

And I'm not saying RAM trucks are that far behind the pack and not worth buying with enough rebates piled on. But you can come up with endless anecdotal evidence and recall BS (even though Chrysler and RAM lead the nation in recalls) to discredit the best and most desired trucks in the US, but RAM trucks will always hold the #3 spot until they improve dramatically and we have enough time to forget the past.

@Denver|||Mike, Sure thing bud. Denile =de·ni·al =

disbelief in the existence or reality of a thing.

You can believe Ford is the best. I know their not. I owned one.

The Ford brand has had 92 recalls since 2009, substantially higher than the next highest brands — Chevrolet, at 70, and Toyota, at 68, a search of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration database reveals. Of course, such a search doesn't take into account the severity of individual recalls or that the Ford nameplate is part of the larger Ford Motor. When recalls in its various divisions are added up, General Motors outpaces Ford on recalls overall

The Ford F-150 When one of our team climbed out and said it felt old. From the moment you hop way up into the cabin—it was the one truck here without side steps—and close the door . . . oh, wait, why is the door flapping like that? The same thing happens when you close the hood; the attached front grille jiggles in a way so shocking that, if you’re like us, you’ll open the hood and slam it another time just to see it happen again. And again. Others will wince.
But it sure doesn’t leave you with a high-quality impression, either. And, compared with the other two trucks, the F-150 rides a little more like an old truck. Jittery. Shaky.

Guess the Trembler is a good name for Ford's new truck. lol

"Rams ride is pure old-school Cadillac. And we mean that in the most complimentary way. It has none of the jitters normally associated with pickups. Combined with trusty, natural-feeling steering responses, the Ram is the long-haul truck of choice here."

Class exclusive= The Ram Active Air intake system, triggered by the computer, draws cooler air from the front of the vehicle when it senses extreme heat; it also engages at high altitudes for superior throttle response. When conditions are wet, the system pulls air from an under-hood inlet, dry and clear of snow packing.





Ok guys I'm worn out. Its really hard for me to get on here and not show my ignorance. I want to apologize to everyone on here and just say I'm SORRY. Sometimes my ignorance just amazes me and I get carried away and make these stupid post and that helps ruin this site. I love my Fiat Ram and its no where near the quality of a ford or gm truck but it gets me by. SORRY GUYS FOR MY IGNORANCE.

I see the guerrilla marketer's didn't get the day off.




If he were to pat you on your back you would list it on your resume.
He is HEMI V8 and the most interesting man in the world.

We don't always buy trucks but when we do we prefer Ram

Stay thirsty my friend!

I have a problem with reality. I have a problem with everything. Ignorance is bliss but I'm eat up with it. Please excuse me guys because I can't stop. I've had several people tell me I'm eat up with the Dumba$$ and I didn't believe em, now its just ignorance that has taken me over. I found myself test driving an old AMC Gremlin the other day and it scared me to death. Now I'm looking at a smartcar. I'm sick, very sick and stupid on top of that.

ok then Hemi bend over!

If he were to pat you on your butt you would cream your jeans.
He is HEMI V8 and just out of the closet.

We don't always buy trucks but guys at the truck stop prefer Ram.

Use KY my friend!

Same old crap going on, pages of troll commentary and fake posts, even the trolls are being fake posted.

When it comes to reliability, JD Power seems to post just the top 3. This year, the Top 3 were

Top 3 Most Durable Full Sized trucks, Ram isn't on the list.
#1 GMC Sierra HD
#2 GMC Sierra LD
#3 Chevy Avalanche

The F150 came in at #4.

How did the Fiat portfolio fair?

Industry Average: 126
Ram: 122
Chrysler: 153
Jeep: 178
Dodge: 190

Lucky Ram did well at 122, you'll need one to tow the others in for repairs.

Lets look at small trucks:
#1 Ford Ranger
#2 Ram Dakota
#3 Honda Ridgeline

Dakota must of gave Ram that edge.

Lets look at corporate averages:

Chevy: 125
Ford : 127
GMC: 134

These stats cover every vehicle wearing a Chevy badge or Ford badge or GMC badge.

If you lump Ram, Jeep, Chrysler, and Dodge under Fiat's USA division this is what you get: 161


Vincentric is a company that studies data and provides that information to clients.

Here are their 2013 USA ratings for civilian use:

Compact, Pickup...........Toyota Tacoma
The Tacoma has been first in class for 9 years in a row.

Full Size Pickup, 1/2 Ton..........Ford F150
The F150 has won its class 3 years in a row.

Full Size Pickup, Heavy Duty 3/4 Ton............. Chevrolet/GMC
Silverado/Sierra 2500
GMC/Chev won this category last year.

Full Size Pickup, Heavy Duty 1 Ton..........RAM 3500 GMC/Chev won this category last year.

If you look at fleet ratings, the results are similar except the Ram gets dumped from the list.


University of Michigan Transportation Research Institute Diesel Study

If you look at total cost of ownership, a study done on diesels showed the cost savings:

Total cost of ownership:
3 yrs - $67.00
5 yrs - $587.00
3 yrs - 1,395.00
5 yrs - 763.00
3 yrs - 3,673.00
5 yrs - 1,720.00
3 yrs - 2,720
5 yrs - 2,613

Brand loyal types need to look at reality. I've posted information from 3 separate sites and that information does follow a common trend among the three sources.

Here are my links
JDPower -

link #2:

Link #3

I had to break them up because if I include them together, this site's anti-spam software deletes them.

Ram. Collecting more awards then Ford or Chevy. :))

Top 2013 J.D. Power Dependability Study. Ram above Chevy and Ford.

One heavily touted model has the worst quality of any single nameplate in the auto industry's most closely watched index for problems in the first 90 days of ownership, USA TODAY has learned.

It's the Ford C-Max, a five-passenger crossover that comes both as a hybrid and a plug-in hybrid, according to three independent sources who have access to the full list of models in J.D. Power and Associates' Initial Quality Study.


Ford Drops in Quality Survey.

Ford Drops Again in J.D. Power Survey Despite Damage Control.

Ford drops to near-bottom of Consumer Reports' reliability study.

there is no other truck that can be taking the crown of the chevy.. but for this one ill put my money on the ford second preferred truck.. bring out that 2015 Silverado to play already..

I should have punched Justin Trudeau in the mouth when I had a chance!

Funny, First the G.M. guys were WAITING for 2014. lol NOW their WAITING for 2015. LMAO!


The trolls can say what they want but the statistics on pickups I posted are clear.
Based on durability and ROI, your best choices are as follows

small truck - Toyota Tacoma

1/2 ton truck - Ford F150

HD pickup - GMC/Chev

Diesel HD - GM/Chev

The trolls can say what they want but the statistics speak for themselves. No one has more RECALLS then FORD. NO ONE MAKES A VEHICLE MORE FLAMMABLE THEN FORD. comprison test: 2014 Ram 1500 vs 2013 Ford F-150

Ram has a ways to go to catch up to the leader.

No picture of engine bay?
Power joke would look like on life support.

@bill, Your an idiot. Ya, lets compare Fords 50,000 dollar top engine F150 to Rams bottom of the barrel Ram 1500 V6. Lets see who tows the best. LMAO!


They addressed that and said even if it had the Hemi the Ford was better overall and in every category. Stay thirsty friend.

GM and Ford will tie for first or it will be extremely close, going either way. Ram will be a distant last.

@PorscheV8 - more dumb comments, since you hate Mustangs here is a wonderful bit a news for Mustang fans:

The V6 Mustang, once considered a rental-fleet joke, posted a time of 3 minutes, 12.5 seconds. That lap time beat V8 muscle cars: Dodge Charger SRT 8 (3:18.2), Challenger SRT8 (3:16), Rally legends Subaru WRX STi (3.13.8) and the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution MR (3.13.3), and a variety of other impressive contenders: BMW 335is (3.13.8), Lotus Elise SC (3:16.6), Lexus IS F (3:14), and the 2010 Mustang GT 3:13.3 (Since then, the latest iteration of the Mustang GT with the 5.0 Coyote power plant beat the V6, posting an impressive 3:08 lap time).

A V6 Mustang is FASTER on a track than a Porsche Hemi 5.7 Challenger and Charger.

Wow.......... that is truly pathetic.

Do I need to point out how much faster the 5.0 Mustang was?

AND it was the GT Mustang, not the Boss Mustang.

@Lou, Who said i hated mustangs? My favorite mustang is a 69 boss mustang. Raven black. I love mustangs. Wish i could get a new one. They give me heart burn. lol After they catch on fire.

@PorscheV8 - Looks like you've changed your mind. That mighty hemi you go on about got spanked by a V6. Not just 1 hemi powered car but 2, the Challenger and Charger.

Do those SRT cars have the 5.7 or the 6.4?

That would be much worse.

@Lou,(before after & now) And this has to do with my Hemi Ram in 03 spanking Fords 150 and G.M. twins all day long and twice on Sunday how?????

P.S. Ram is still spanking Ford and G.M. in 2013 with that decade old Hemi. lol


@HEMI V8 - 2nd place in PUTC and 3rd place in Car & Driver isn't spanking anyone.

Thanks for mentioning your 10 year old truck.
That was funny, I needed a good laugh.

@Lou,(before after & now)You didn't know you could own a truck that long? it's a dodge lou.

@HEMI V8 - I had an F250 for 15 years. That truck saw more offroad use than you ever have. You mentioned Pismo beach dunes (Oceano Dunes SVRA) so I took the liberty of looking up its size. 1,500 acres and 1.9 million visitors.
Wow - big whoop dee doo.

A section of land is 640 acres.
A section is 1 square mile.
That would mean Oceano is 2.3 sections of land.

One could walk around the perimeter of Oceano in 4 hours depending on the actual terrain.

If you got into trouble, there are park wardens and 1.9 million other visitors to bail you out.

My first back country trip in the F250 I mentioned was over 4,000 miles. I've been in places where you'd have to walk 40 miles just to get to a remote ranch homestead or logging camp.

Your bragging and trolling is silly and childish.

Your not the only guy who drives offroad.

I prefer stock trucks because they are more reliable.

There are 2 rules of offroading in relation to trucks:
1. The more offroad capable you make your truck, the worse you are going to get stuck.
2. The more modifications one makes to their truck the less reliable it becomes (partially because of rule 1 - getting stuck worse)

There is the occasional time where you post relevant and interesting information. I'd much rather converse with you in that regard then sifting through BS.

Your not the only guy who drives offroad.

I prefer stock trucks because they are more reliable.

Posted by: Lou_BC | Sep 6, 2013 9:02:01 PM.

Sounds like you need a new Power Wagon. It is the most capable stock truck you can buy. With a winch and lockers front and rear you wouldn't need to depend on anyone to pull you out. That new 6.4 Hemi is going to be sweet. What more could you ask for?

@HEMI V8 - you ever use a winch? or have a clue as to how much extra gear one actually needs to use one appropriately? Winches can get you into a bigger mess than if you didn't have one. I've seen trucks get stuck with winches and because they assumed that was all they needed ended up spending a real long time stuck. My friend got stuck for 2 days and he had a winch. No fun when the closest ranch house was 20 miles away and my other friend's lakefront home was 40 miles away.
I've looked at the Power Wagon. I actually considered buying one but when I looked at the price, options and configurations, it wasn't worth it. In BC they are too expensive for what you get. A base model starts at 46,785 and I have yet to see one with discounts. You can't get one with a crew cab either. That price I quoted gets you vinyl seats too. One with decent options in closer to 60K. I'd rather buy a base model 3/4 ton, mount a set of aftermarket bumpers and mount a set of good tires on it. Any winch I'd buy would be on a receiver mount so one can winch backwards or forwards. One can winch backwards with a front mounted winch but it requires a ton of extra gear.
I don't consider swapping out bumpers as truck mods since it doesn't change the drivetrain. Same can be said for better tires.

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