That is a VERY orange motor...

Can it possibly be better then the GM diesel? I think NOT!!

Just like the GM and FORD V8 Diesel Power Plants ... this will take some time to be proven before I would jump the gun on it. They will sell like MAD once put into the TITAN. Nissan has the ball in there court and needs to capatalize on this chance to make a GREAT TRUCK! Take what RAM, FORD, GM, and TOYOTA have done great -- and failed at -- and make one hell of a truck!

Cummins did much research with the EPA so hopefully they've implemented a bunch of good ideas. Gawd knows the Cummins inline 6 Ram hasn't been very fuel efficient the last 10 years or so.

I am going to have to go test drive one of these when they come out. Only bad parts is I am waiting for an Ecodiesel Jeep Rubicon as my next toy. I am not sure if this is supposed to compete with the big boy diesels, but Nissan would have to put this in something bigger than a half ton.

Hi girls sorry I've been away I burned my lips on the tailpipe of my F150...I'm OK now. The only regret I have in life is not kissing Henry Morgentaler on the lips when I had a chance!

@j brown. Brother I think you are right. I a gas engine guy forever, but I think the next gen Titan with that 5.0L diesel will sell like crazy.

My only previous experience with owning a Nissan was a 2 seater ragtop. But it was absolutely the best auto transmission i've ever owned. It never hiccuped. just performed. Oil changes and gasoline was all it ever needed.

My neighbor has a 2010 Titan (loaded) that he tows his big boat with and he loves that truck. I bet he'll be trading it for the 5.0

Lou Welcome back.

It looks like Cummins is transferring some of the technology that was developed from the ISF and using it in the ISV.

This will be a good engine. Better than most current diesels in HDs.

I would think that the new Titan will have a strong chassis, hopefully based on the Y62 Patrol.

This new Titan might be a good truck.

I'm wondering what the FE figures will be like.

I don't think this is Cummins first ever V block or V-8 block (not sure what you are trying to say there).

Look up V-903.

Love the potential of this engine. Hope those Bosche injectors are better than the Bosche injectors my Duramax has. I sucks replacing them every 100,000 miles at $500+ each parts + labor.

Toycrusher: the engine is red, the intake runner is orange inside, it is plain as day in the cutout.

This would be neuting the V-8 engine unless the extra power derives better FE due to the weight of the truck.
"We're expecting the Titan to offer close to 300 horsepower and a minimum of 560 pounds-feet of torque"

From http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2013/09/2014-ram-1500-ecodiesel-first-drive.html:
"The new EcoDiesel is sourced from Italian company VM Motori (soon to be fully owned and controlled by Fiat, which updated and upfitted a modern 24-valve 3.0-liter V-6 for Ram, capable of producing 240 horsepower at 3,600 rpm and 420 pounds-feet of torque at 2,000 rpm"

Basic math to see where the growth in the engine lies:
300HP/5L = 60 HP/L vs. 240HP/3L=80HP/L

560lb/ft/5L=112lb/(ft*L)
vs. 420lb/ft/3L=140lb/(ft*L)

This tells me that hte VM is very strung out, or that the Cummings in the Nissan is WAY under rated. Why?:
"Because this engine is likely to have quite a few different applications, Cummins is offering several maximum horsepower and torque ratings to accommodate a wide range of uses"

I will be looking a diesel in the next 1 to 2 yrs. All options (4 cylinder to the V-8 are open. May the best bang for the $$$ win.

Wow! that is one fine looking engine! just too bad Nissan gets to use it? after U S tax money went into its development? is that what we have been told? if so, that engine should be offered to all American manuf exclusively! I wonder if when it come out, if I could buy one and install in my Dakota? after all if you were able to get the 360 V-8 in one, this engine must be able to fit? the only problem I see is cost? I wonder what one of these puppies would cost over the counter? I cannot imagine 300+hp and 500ft/lbs tq in a 4,000lbs truck?

Nissan should make one of these with the next gen Titan and the Cummins!
http://blog.cardomain.com/2009/02/09/cardomain-obscure-muscle-car-parking-lot-the-dodge-warlock-and-lil-red-express/

If that goes into a truck with a stick and a locker i will have to have one.

@nlp
I'm a little dismayed at the quoted output figures by PUTC.

I would have thought a modern diesel like this Cummins would have been good for 400hp and 800ftlb.

It's smaller ISF brother is a 2.8 and can deliver about 200hp and 400ftlb.

A 2.2 litre Kia diesel from several years ago can put out about 185hp and 320ftlb.

@nlp
I'm a little dismayed at the quoted output figures by PUTC.

I would have thought a modern diesel like this Cummins would have been good for 400hp and 800ftlb.

It's smaller ISF brother is a 2.8 and can deliver about 200hp and 400ftlb.

A 2.2 litre Kia diesel from several years ago can put out about 185hp and 320ftlb.

@nlp
I'm a little dismayed at the quoted output figures by PUTC.

I would have thought a modern diesel like this Cummins would have been good for 400hp and 800ftlb.

It's smaller ISF brother is a 2.8 and can deliver about 200hp and 400ftlb.

A 2.2 litre Kia diesel from several years ago can put out about 185hp and 320ftlb.

@nlp
I'm a little dismayed at the quoted output figures by PUTC.

I would have thought a modern diesel like this Cummins would have been good for 400hp and 800ftlb.

It's smaller ISF brother is a 2.8 and can deliver about 200hp and 400ftlb.

A 2.2 litre Kia diesel from several years ago can put out about 185hp and 320ftlb.

@TruckGuy, if you're referring to the GM 4.5L V8 Duramax engine, yes this engine will be much better. Engines that don't exist don't do a whole lot of good for anyone. It's time to stop giving GM credit for a prototype that it didn't have the guts to manufacture. Same with Ford and the 4.4L engine, although that engine became a reality for non-American Range Rover customers

@ BigAl

You shouldn't be dismayed, expecting anything much above 325 hp in the first iteration of this all-new motor is a fantasy of stoplight drag racers - this is Cummins.

You make the case for me with the 2.8 ISF - 70 hp/L vs 60 hp/L for the new V8, which will see much harder use, nevermind hp/L tends to decline with increasing displacement. No surprises here.

@ElSid

Smaller engines are naturally more volumetrically efficient. You can't use HP/L or TQ/L to determine how "high strung" an engine is compared to another engine unless they are of similar displacements. Even then, without comparing the internal components you are only speculating baselessly.

Not the first v cummins had 555 and 903 in turbo and non setups they were not the best thing cummins had so its been close to 40 years to come back to a v

It's a bummer it's 1.5 yrs away.

I understand the volumetric efficiency of engines.

What I'm saying is that the power of this engine should or could be higher due to the technological advancement of diesels.

The only thing I can put it down to is the way Cummins is going to manage NOx, particulates and other pollutants.

400hp from a 5 litre diesel isn't absurd.

Like someone stated 'this is Cummins'. The engine will be left standing long after the pickup has rusted away.

Irrespective this engine will make the Titan a very attractive vehicle.

I would like to know where the torque is good enough to move the truck in top gear >1 500rpm?

Mopar or no car!

@Big Al, absolutely 400HP would be easily achievable. Heck a friend of mine has about 1000HP out of an old 12 valve 5.9 Cummins, you can pretty much tune them to whatever you want. The higher the tune though, the lower the longevity/reliability.

Smaller engines can make more HP per liter mostly because they're smaller and they can be higher output without as much fuel economy.

BMW maked a 6 liter engine with over 100 hp per liter.

The most volumetric efficient engine is a Hemispherical cumbustion chamber, but this doesn't allow for 4 valves per cylinder that's why it's not in use today.

@ Alex

No, you can't just tune them to whatever power rating you want. The turbos, fuel pump, and other internals are only good for so much power. If you want some major power like your friend's 5.9L, then you will have to start replacing stock parts. I bet you friend's turbo isn't stock along with a lot of other things on that engine. Just like with the Ecoboost. The fuel pump will only allow around 400 hp at the wheels. If you want more then that then you will have to replace it with one with more pumping power. You can get some good power, it just depends on how much you want to spend. It also depends on if the ECM is easily tunable or not. Some ECMs like the Tundra's is pretty much impossible to crack. Hence the reason why Superchips, Edge, SCT, DiabloSport, and others do not offer a tune for it. I will agree that if it is tunable then you will see some big gains simply due to it having turbos, but to see huge 150+hp gains then you will have to start replacing stuff.

@All1, you are correct, I didn't mean to make it sound like it was a chip upgrade, especially in the 12 valve. In the 5.0 Cummins, 400 HP is probably achievable with programming.

Big Al beat PUTC on this one as he had a link that talked about this engine.

This engine would be perfect as an intermediate option in a HD. Nissan is going to have to build a solid truck to live under this engine.

PUTC needs to wait for these engines to show up in commercial trucks and rent one to use for a test drive.

@Fake Lou - got passed the troll police with those multiple IP addresses. You sure do have a fixation on me. I have my very own stalker.

@Real Lou, "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery." - Charles Caleb Colton.

I want one these, not the Titan, just the engine. What a great restomod crate motor this would make.

@Alex - more likely a symptom of a disease/disorder listed in the DSM-5.

There were a lot of V-8 and V-6 Cummins diesels in the past. The 903 and 555 were mentioned in an earlier post, there was also the VT-225. There were also large Cummins V-12 industrial diesels as well.

@The Real Lou
I dig around university and research sites a bit. Phan boi sites aren't good for too much, other than sheep with the same mentality banging d!cks on how great a particular product is.

Also look at vehicle component articles, etc.

On the net it is hard to hid things.

I found an article a long time ago, it was a research paper for Ford in 2004 on which direction Ford should head in with it next generation of engines. It supported turbo boosted engines, because it will put a cheaper up front product on the dealers lot. Diesel was mentioned to be the best option.

The US with its gasoline centric lifestyle made that choice easy for Ford.

I had a guy stalking me here on PUTC for quite some time. It started after some 'dim' witted person got trounced debating me.

He even followed me onto another site continually targeting many comment I made.

I think he's homosexual and becomes infatuated with other men, particularly mid-aged if he's now following you and using your name.

@The Real Lou
I dig around university and research sites a bit. Phan boi sites aren't good for too much, other than sheep with the same mentality banging d!cks on how great a particular product is.

Also look at vehicle component articles, etc.

On the net it is hard to hid things.

I found an article a long time ago, it was a research paper for Ford in 2004 on which direction Ford should head in with it next generation of engines. It supported turbo boosted engines, because it will put a cheaper up front product on the dealers lot. Diesel was mentioned to be the best option.

The US with its gasoline centric lifestyle made that choice easy for Ford.

I had a guy stalking me here on PUTC for quite some time. It started after some 'dim' witted person got trounced debating me.

He even followed me onto another site continually targeting many comment I made.

I think he's homosexual and becomes infatuated with other men, particularly mid-aged if he's now following you and using your name.

@The Real Lou
I dig around university and research sites a bit. Phan boi sites aren't good for too much, other than sheep with the same mentality banging d!cks on how great a particular product is.

Also look at vehicle component articles, etc.

On the net it is hard to hid things.

I found an article a long time ago, it was a research paper for Ford in 2004 on which direction Ford should head in with it next generation of engines. It supported turbo boosted engines, because it will put a cheaper up front product on the dealers lot. Diesel was mentioned to be the best option.

The US with its gasoline centric lifestyle made that choice easy for Ford.

I had a guy stalking me here on PUTC for quite some time. It started after some 'dim' witted person got trounced debating me.

He even followed me onto another site continually targeting many comment I made.

I think he's homosexual and becomes infatuated with other men, particularly mid-aged if he's now following you and using your name.

@The Real Lou
I dig around university and research sites a bit. Phan boi sites aren't good for too much, other than sheep with the same mentality banging d!cks on how great a particular product is.

Also look at vehicle component articles, etc.

On the net it is hard to hid things.

I found an article a long time ago, it was a research paper for Ford in 2004 on which direction Ford should head in with it next generation of engines. It supported turbo boosted engines, because it will put a cheaper up front product on the dealers lot. Diesel was mentioned to be the best option.

The US with its gasoline centric lifestyle made that choice easy for Ford.

I had a guy stalking me here on PUTC for quite some time. It started after some 'dim' witted person got trounced debating me.

He even followed me onto another site continually targeting many comment I made.

I think he's homosexual and becomes infatuated with other men, particularly mid-aged if he's now following you and using your name.

@The Real Lou
I dig around university and research sites a bit. Phan boi sites aren't good for too much, other than sheep with the same mentality banging d!cks on how great a particular product is.

Also look at vehicle component articles, etc.

On the net it is hard to hid things.

I found an article a long time ago, it was a research paper for Ford in 2004 on which direction Ford should head in with it next generation of engines. It supported turbo boosted engines, because it will put a cheaper up front product on the dealers lot. Diesel was mentioned to be the best option.

The US with its gasoline centric lifestyle made that choice easy for Ford.

I had a guy stalking me here on PUTC for quite some time. It started after some 'dim' witted person got trounced debating me.

He even followed me onto another site continually targeting many comment I made.

I think he's homosexual and becomes infatuated with other men, particularly mid-aged if he's now following you and using your name.

@The Real Lou
I dig around university and research sites a bit. Phan boi sites aren't good for too much, other than sheep with the same mentality banging d!cks on how great a particular product is.

Also look at vehicle component articles, etc.

On the net it is hard to hid things.

I found an article a long time ago, it was a research paper for Ford in 2004 on which direction Ford should head in with it next generation of engines. It supported turbo boosted engines, because it will put a cheaper up front product on the dealers lot. Diesel was mentioned to be the best option.

The US with its gasoline centric lifestyle made that choice easy for Ford.

I had a guy stalking me here on PUTC for quite some time. It started after some 'dim' witted person got trounced debating me.

He even followed me onto another site continually targeting many comment I made.

I think he's homosexual and becomes infatuated with other men, particularly mid-aged if he's now following you and using your name.

@The Real Lou
I dig around university and research sites a bit. Phan boi sites aren't good for too much, other than sheep with the same mentality banging d!cks on how great a particular product is.

Also look at vehicle component articles, etc.

On the net it is hard to hid things.

I found an article a long time ago, it was a research paper for Ford in 2004 on which direction Ford should head in with it next generation of engines. It supported turbo boosted engines, because it will put a cheaper up front product on the dealers lot. Diesel was mentioned to be the best option.

The US with its gasoline centric lifestyle made that choice easy for Ford.

I had a guy stalking me here on PUTC for quite some time. It started after some 'dim' witted person got trounced debating me.

He even followed me onto another site continually targeting many comment I made.

I think he's homosexual and becomes infatuated with other men, particularly mid-aged if he's now following you and using your name.

@The Real Lou
I dig around university and research sites a bit. Phan boi sites aren't good for too much, other than sheep with the same mentality banging d!cks on how great a particular product is.

Also look at vehicle component articles, etc.

On the net it is hard to hid things.

I found an article a long time ago, it was a research paper for Ford in 2004 on which direction Ford should head in with it next generation of engines. It supported turbo boosted engines, because it will put a cheaper up front product on the dealers lot. Diesel was mentioned to be the best option.

The US with its gasoline centric lifestyle made that choice easy for Ford.

I had a guy stalking me here on PUTC for quite some time. It started after some 'dim' witted person got trounced debating me.

He even followed me onto another site continually targeting many comment I made.

I think he's homosexual and becomes infatuated with other men, particularly mid-aged if he's now following you and using your name.

@Big Al--Your posts are repeating again. Seems like that has been a continuing problem.

Not sure why the article mentions that this is Cummins first V engine. A quick check of their website shows a multitude of V engines, for tanks and generators, etc. To imply Cummins has no experience producing a quality V engine is irresponsible reporting.

Porsche has a 4.1 litre V8 diesel making 382 HP and 627 ft/lbs torque, I don't think this Cummins will be near that but there are lots of possibilities for this engine.

Is Nissan going to use the ZF 8hp90 transmission behind this engine?

@woopud

The reason why the Porche diesel has that big of powers numbers is because it is not required to pullbthat much weight. The more weight an engine is required to tow, the less it's power numbers are versus what it could be in a non towing vehicle. That is simply for reliability. You can get big numbers outbof this Cummins diesel too, but you would have to tone it down some when you need to tow. I don't know the specs on that Porche engine, but I can almost guarantee that it wouldn't last long pulling 9k+ loads on a regular basis with those power numbers.

I am really looking forward to this engine. Hopefully it will get Toyota off their dead ass and either use this or their 4.5L V8 diesel in the Tundra. The LandCruiser 200 and Tundra are based on the same platform, so they likely planned for it all along.

However, I am sure many of the folk on here are greatly disappointed by this new high-tech Cummins, I mean, Cummins mustn't really know what they are doing since it is a DOHC instead of OHV... .