2013 SEMA Show: American Expedition Vehicles Reveals the Ram Concept

 AEV Ram 1 II

We've seen American Expedition Vehicles before and spent quite a bit of time behind the wheel of its impressive Jeep Brute and Brute DC pickup trucks, but now AEV has decided to move into a new realm.

Enter the AEV Ram Concept (boy, do we wish it had a better name than that, something like the AEV Monster Crawler seems more appropriate), which will debut at the 2013 Specialty Equipment Market Association Show this week in Las Vegas.

At first glance this truck may look like the next-generation Power Wagon (which debuts next spring) from Ram, but it is actually a 2014 Ram 2500 Cummins-equipped heavyduty with a mountain of new AEV-designed parts and pieces.

The new Ram HD gets a 3-inch suspension lift (using the factory coils to keep as much of the factory ride as possible), custom AEV bumpers that incorporate wide-mouth fender flares able to accommodate a 40-inch tire at the end of each live axle, custom aluminum rims and an exclusive High Steer kit that keeps the steering geometry near stock even though it runs a suspension lift.

Although AEV is calling this off-road beast a concept, it wouldn't make the effort and investment in producing these parts if it didn't think this would be a perfect fit for sportsmen and outdoorsmen who could really enjoy this kind of rig. AEV products, because of how well they're designed and built, typically are more expensive than most of their competitors so we'd expect these bumpers, rims, suspension upgrades and other options to have premium pricing.

We're hoping to get a chance to test-drive this rig at some point next summer, so stay tuned for our full coverage on the trail and in the backcountry at a later date.

To download the press release, click here.

AEV Ram 2a II

AEV Ram Bumper 4 II

AEV Ram 3 II

1 AEV front II

10 AEV nose 2 II

8 AEV shocks II

7 AEV tire II

6 AEV logo II

Comments

TOTAL JUNK!!

@ Big Al From Oz
They will NEVER SELL IN THE USA!!!

@LouBC, You want to bitch about no diesel in a Power Wagon but said you could not afford a gas Power Wagon. LOL

BITCH! BITCH! BITCH!

Whoa Big Al. Those expensive motels rooms on wheels aren't needed in the mainland US due to our highway and roadway systems. When we usually hit the trails, it is only for a day. The times we do a weekend excursion then we sleep in tents or truck beds and cook from a campfire. Sorry, we are not that fancy here.

@All1,
" When we usually hit the trails, it is only for a day."
I think the meaning of the words "Expedition Vehicle " is different for us. I think Big Al from Oz would see a few of the Expedition type vehicles up his way. Not to many in Sydney where I live LOL.

@All1
That is my argument, this vehicle isn't an expeditionary vehicle. I'm not saying it isn't a nice truck, just the definition is highly inaccurate.

Up where I live we do pretty much expeditionary style off roading. Economical diesels are the way to go, but they also have to be able to carry considerable weight and not break.

Having a high horsepower vehicle will remove the endurance capability of an expeditionary vehicle. A gas V8 and V6 use more than twice the fuel I use off roading. That's why the VM 1500 Ram will probably be the best US off road pickup, except the suspension really needs to be able to carry a load. US pickups have low rated suspensions for this type of work. Or are too large for their rated load capacity ie, this oversized Ram with a low load capacity.

A Raptor with a 3.2 diesel and a stronger suspension would be okay.

Our little pickups have the engine and drivetrain for such work, but not the suspension set ups.

A factory stock suspension will not work unless the vehicle is a Unimog or similar vehicle.

I'm actually looking at a new suspension for my vehicle, but they are about $2 000 here. The rest of the truck is acceptable and strong enough, but the body will come out 'battle damaged', but that's the price you will have to pay.

http://www.oldmanemu.com.au/

lol, Greg, that 6.2 will need premium gas, and can't handle HD work loads, so it can make it's power at a higher rpm, vs a 6.4 which once people dyno the two on the same dyno, you can see the 6.4 will make more useable power. Not just a max number...which apparently impresses you and your sisters.

If Ram wants to, they can drop the SRT 6.4 into a 1500 just to spank the 6.2 trucks. However, this one is meant for 87 octane, and a GCWR a couple tons heavier then a 6.2 Chevy can handle. The engine needs to be able to handle the workload. They also drop compression, see any 11.5 to 1 compression gas engines in HD trucks?

@Big Al

Yeah, our off roading is different as Robert stated. Where we usually go you can't fit anything much larger than Jeeps or small pick ups. A full size half ton or bigger truck will not cut it especially with IFS. Also, the Raptor was made for high speed off road, not as an expeditionary vehicle. It's sole propose is to go fast off road. I am more of an slow speed getting through complicated obstacles kind of off roader.

This is not my video but is from one of our Jeep club members. http://youtu.be/rEzMMUuT9Hc

@HemiV8 - "could not afford a gas Power Wagon."
That is by choice.
I could afford one or any 60-80K pickup but I chose not to because I'd rather spend my disposable income on my children's education or hobbies.

How did you say you were buying yours?

Settlement cheque is what you said.

I've been saying this on multiple threads lately, I'd rather use a quad, UTV, or smaller 4x4 for the really bad stuff. Full sized trucks are great for mild trails. A winch means you will get stuck worse with a greater chance of breaking something.

Ever been stuck for 2 days (we had a winch) 85 miles from town?
That is a real humbling experience.
A Power Wagon in the same situation would of been in much bigger trouble than the LandCruiser we were in. It is Physics - the more mass an object has over a narrow area equals more ground pressure (PSI) exerted and the easier it is to exceed the surface tension of the ground.
Translation - big and heavy on standard tires means you sink and sink bad.
There was a guy with a Toyota pickup (pre-Tacoma) who was trying to help us. He had 35's and a winch. Except for the really bad part we got stuck in (he got stuck too), he would float on top of the rest of it without any problems.
Even a PW with 35's would of gotten stuck since it is much heaver than a light truck like what he had or even what we had.

In sand like what you usually play in, a long wide truck will most likely add stability. The ability to rev with decent power like the 6.4 will be good for sand. The weak point to the PW is weight.
But in your case..... If you get stuck, you have 1,000's of other people to pull you out. If you recall, we talked about your favorite playground - it ain't that big and it ain't remote.

"Raptor was made for high speed off road...It's sole propose is to go fast off road."

Raptor has many purposes, not just high speed off-road Raptor dominated on the trails during the ULTIMATE 4x4 SHOOTOUT and beat the Power Wagon.

http://youtu.be/QaVBkBFtTuI?t=4m29s

All1
"Also, the Raptor was made for high speed off road, not as an expeditionary vehicle"

In a lot of the Bush Parts of Australia, not advisable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrAW9bLR7Sw

@ Mike

The Raptor was MADE and DESIGNED for high speed off road as the very people who designed and engineered it will tell you. As Jamal Hameedi, SVT's chief engineer, will say at :52 of the video talking about how the Raptor came to be "I had been an off road racing engineer for a long time down in Baja and so that is kind of how a high speed off road truck was kind of born" It may do some slow off road well, but it's main purpose was to go fast off road.

http://youtu.be/TlWLsmjf1nE

@To all.
BAFO didn't get it.
He is going constantly promote polytrucks from flat country without any snow at North America PickupTruck websites.
But no worries, I registered in Australia swimming websites and converted few swimmers to outdoor hockey in full armor. I sold them
a skate grinder already.
I am going to teach aussies how to sharpen waterski.
We sharpen our downhill ski, so by tha BAFO logic what works for us, must works for them. They have to just try and not to be afraid.
I will keep you posted how it goes.

Add a Procomp 4 inch lift, put in some high-travel Bilsteins, add ARB Air Lockers, a sway bar quick disconnect, and a aftermarket Warn winch, and you have a Cummins rock crawler for cheaper than the Power Wagon.

@ mike, This Raptor broke a half shaft. With a solid axle this doesn't happen. Much more rugged. Raptor has no front locker and no wench. Not enough ground clearance and the ifs is good for high speed but not for serious off road.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0MOfv7K80I

"Not enough ground clearance and the ifs is good for high speed but not for serious off road. " THE TROLL

@TROLL,

Explain "serious off road." I would like to know what a TROLL considers "serious off road."

LMFAO!

4 wheeler mag, "One drawback to the Raptors IFS design in uneven terrain is the variable front ground clearance. With so much up travel, the front subframe often gets close enough to kiss the ground. This is especially important to remember when a delinquent rock appears in the bowl of a roller when you are at speed. Thankfully, the Raptor has been provided excellent skidplating, but if you like to play, banging your front skidplate against terra firma is virtually assured."

"It’s true that the differential hangs down on a solid axle. However, the differential also goes up and down with the suspension. As such, you can count on the same amount of ground clearance as your suspension cycles.

In contrast, the differential is mounted to the frame with an A-arm system. As the suspension cycles up and down, the ground clearance changes. These fundamental differences will influence what lines you pick on the trail, as well as influence driving style.

Many IFS differentials have aluminum housings. These tend to be weaker and less rigid compared to their cast-iron counterparts. A housing that flexes often allows the ring and pinion to become misaligned and possibly break while the flexing is going on. The other potential problem with an aluminum differential housing is fragility in the face of sharp rocks.

The second photo shows two other IFS problems. CV boots are prone to trail damage and wear from age and everyday driving. In this case, a factory Toyota sway bar end link failed at the ball joint. The loose end of the broken link swung down and mangled the CV boot. The other IFS problem in the photo is the dinky diameter of the factory tie rod.

Ball joints can also be a weak point for 4WD IFS vehicles. Fullsize IFS trucks tend to see more of a problem with this than their smaller counterparts, but ball joints can fail and allow knuckles/wheels/tires to leave the front corners of the truck."

Too bad these pieces of crap are made in MEXICO and have junk quality, not to mention FIAT owning them now ahahhahahaha...Way to polish a turd, AEV! TOTALLY UNAMERICAN!

"I've been saying this on multiple threads lately, I'd rather use a quad, UTV, or smaller 4x4 for the really bad stuff."

Yes, It is more cost effective that's for sure.

"If you recall, we talked about your favorite playground - it ain't that big and it ain't remote."

Another place I go with trailer and quads is the Mojave desert. Gone in my friends Jeep. It can be very remote.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mojave_Desert.

My friend Ron got a manakin from a clothing store trash can and dressed it up. Him and his son's hike to the top of a trail and left it there. Left a log in it's front pocket. You could see it from the sky or with binoculars. Looked like a dead body in the desert.

@hemiV8 -
40,000 sq miles versus 400,000 sq miles - yup, it looks like you got me beat there when it comes to isolation.

BFG tires tend to be "soft" and cut up easily. They don't live very long either. That would be a consideration for an Expedition vehicle. Bridgestone M55's tend to live the best on gravel roads or roads made from blast rock.

I see way more Cummins Ram trucks with mild lifts like this than Power Wagons.
Diesel powered units are superior for Expedition Vehicles since diesel can also be used for heaters and cook stoves. It is much safer than propane powered heaters and cook stoves. It is more readily available in most remote locations than either propane or gasoline.

@Lou BC, Really? How far can you hike in 120 degrees?

@LouBC, "I see way more Cummins Ram trucks with mild lifts like this than Power Wagons. "

I do too. You can walk right up to any Ram dealer and buy one. Plus it is cheaper in most cases than a Power Wagon. Power Wagons are not sitting on lots. 9 out of 10 times you have to order one. Most people are not patient enough to wait for one.
I heard they don't sale Power Wagon's up north in Canada. Another reason you don't see a lot of them. Probably have to import them. And like you said. "Can't afford one."

@hemiv8 - you tell me since you are the expert on hot air.

AEV was trying to fill a nitch. Sure, a diesel SUV like landrover or landcruiser is a great platform, but the payload is very low. My scenario is this: 4 kids...yeah, 4 kids and that means a TON of gear. So seating for six and ALL that gear without going way over on payload leaves very few options in North America, and if you want a diesel for longevity and range you're left with a hole in the market...one which AEV just filled

AEV makes extremely good/functional vehicles and products. I'm sure this 2500 is a considerable step ahead of a factory 2500 which is why people would pay for the conversion/upgrade. Keeping the factory springs is a VERY smart decision if they want this concept to take off. "Expedition vehicle" is a very loose term. It all depends on your terrain, and what you plan to do. It's not an extreme rock crawler, or a mini SUV with lockers. I'm betting most AEV vehicles spend most of their lives on pavement anyways, so this should still cater to the guy who wants a hauling rig that can still do some weekend exploring. It's a concept, so racks, rock sliders, etc will role out if they actually go into production. Clearance and low COG are huge when offroading, so they are on the right track with 40's and minimal lift. The Cummins is likely the only option that will last long term, and get decent fuel mileage spinning 40's it's whole life! Kuddo's to AEV for going outside the box. Hope it goes into production...

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I wish to have one like that,since work good in our country. wish you sponsor me to have one

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