Dealers Order 8,000 EcoDiesels in First Three Days

Ram EcoDiesel II

By John Cappa

If there was any doubt about pent-up demand for a light-duty turbo-diesel engine, those questions have been answered. More than 8,000 EcoDiesel-powered 2014 Ram 1500s were ordered by Chrysler Group dealers between Feb. 7 and 10.

According to Automotive News, the figure represents nearly 50 percent of the half-ton pickup's typical monthly production; more than 400 of these pickups have already been sold to customers.

Bob Hegbloom, director of Ram, told Automotive News that the number represents about five times the normal percentage sold for a typical pre-launch vehicle.

"This just helps solidify in our minds that we did the right thing with this truck," Hegbloom said.

Ram President and CEO Reid Bigland had estimated that 30 percent of the Ram 1500 sales could be powered by the EcoDiesel V-6 punching out 240 horsepower and 420 pounds-feet of torque.

Hegbloom added that the percentage of initial half-ton diesel orders is double or triple what brand executives had anticipated. He believes that demand will likely taper off as unsold inventory is received by the dealers. He also mentioned that production priority will be given to pre-sold orders in an effort to minimize customer wait times.

It was almost a year ago that Ram announced the Ram 1500 half-ton diesel, which went into production last month at the Warren Truck Assembly Plant near Detroit. The pre-spec vehicles should be delivered to the dealers in the next three weeks.

To read the Ram press release, click here.

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Comments

(zviera) "@Alex
You got it wrong. They meant more like more % not absolut number .
Please provide a link, where they say it's heavier. Some models designed to pull less are even lighter, with lighter steel gage frame.
My point about lower CoG doesn't even rest on the heavier frame, if you reduce the weight at the top, you still accomplish it. So regardless of a weight increase at the bottom, it will have a lower CoG than the previous model, and will therefore improve stability. Also, Ford will NOT use different frame strengths for various F150 models. That is just absurd to even suggest that. I'd like you to find a source to back that up because I know that's not true.

@ALL1 - you should give up.
Zivera has stated in the past he enjoyed trolling.

That is what he is doing now or is clueless or making up excuses to rationalize his purchase decisions.

I do not think he is clueless so that leaves trolling and rationalizing his choices. That is a typical human response. An emotional decision is made then the logical part of the brain is forced to rationalize an emotion.

@Alex - if Zievera says that a heavier truck is better than that means he is saying that the 2013 and older F150 (current series) is vastly superior to anything else out there. The F150 has traditionally been the heaviest truck.

@All1
I don't see any payload numbers you presented in here. You are very, very off my friend.

https://www.fleet.ford.com/TRUCKBBAS/non-html/2011_F150.pdf

And don't forget to deduct OPT/ARC for package and options, like you didn't.

Look at your door sticker and go see local scale with your fully loaded truck please and rethink what your F150 is capable to handle safely.
I guarantee you overload your rear axle, you don't even know about.

Good point Lou! It's hard to take someone seriously that names their username after an Opel Zafira (and spells it wrong).

@ Alex
So you don't have any numbers for heavier frame. I was right again.
You don't know to comprehend even Ford video you posted in here.

Right to your face. Eat your words.

"Ford’s Kansas City plant said to be cranking out current generation trucks, which will now feature a frame that is one full gauge thinner on “non-tow” models."

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2013/12/exclusive-next-generation-ford-f-150-delayed-by-nearly-three-months-due-to-aluminum-issues/

@Zviera, it's not anyone else's fault that you are too stupid to understand the laws of physics. You are wrong over and over with so many people on here about so many things. But you're delusional and you think you are the "right" one and everyone else is wrong. Please take your Risperdal when you are supposed to!

@Alex
LOL.
I guess you have no argument. I will leave you in here now.

@zviera

"@All1
I don't see any payload numbers you presented in here. You are very, very off my friend.

https://www.fleet.ford.com/TRUCKBBAS/non-html/2011_F150.pdf"

You are wrong again and again and again. My truck is the last configuration on page 83 (or page 5 in the pdf). Without any options, it is 1,890lbs payload. However, the options I have on my truck (Nav, Sync, Leather, etc....) dropped my payload down to 1,802 which is what is on my door jamb sticker and what I stated earlier. You seriously think this is my first rodeo? Just because you didn't know the capabilities of your truck when you bought it doesn't mean I or everyone else would be that stupid? Just because you blatantly overload your truck does not mean I or everyone else does it. I know you are trying to justify what you are doing for that sake of your pride and your favorite brand, but not everyone does that like you say regardless of how much you want to say others do it too. Just because you want to believe so bad that something is true(or false) doesn't make it so especially when cold hard facts are staring you in the face.

Dude, you and HEMI V8 need to quit unless ya'll like people proving ya'll wrong over and over again. Then by all means, I'll be ya'lls huckleberry.

@All1
It's even worse than I thought. Your numbers are bloated directly from factory.
That's 2500 territory you are using your F150 for.


@Hemi V8

I will give you that. The Ecodiesel does get a lot better fuel mileage. I could give two shnits about that because I would rather have more power than what the Ecodiesel has to offer, but I know there are others that do care more about fuel mileage. However, by definition, Eco means - ecological or environmental. It does NOT just mean better mpg. If you want to put these two engines, the Ecoboost and Ecodiesel, in a comparison then we can do that right now.


Advantages of the F150 with an Ecoboost
More power (125 more hp)
Quicker all around (by more than 3 seconds 0-60 unloaded)
More payload (by as much 1,500lbs in each trucks best payload configuration)
More towing capability (by as much as 2,000lbs in each trucks best towing configuration)
Better braking ability due to less weight
Keeps torque through out more rpms
costs less

Advantages of the Ram with an Ecodiesel
Better fuel Economy
Peak torque at 500 rpm lower


Did I leave anything out? I will not deny the Ecodiesel does get better fuel economy. However, if I wanted less power, less payload, and a less tow rating to save money and get better fuel economy then I would have went with a base engine.

@ zviera

Yes, it is 2500 territory for a Ram, but not for an F-150. You have to remember that the F150 has bigger front brakes, bigger axles front and rear, more splines on each axles, more lugs on each axle, a higher GAWR per axle, a stronger frame yield strength, 3" leaf springs, and so on. You are applying Ram's standards to the F150, but you are forgetting there is a big difference between the two. Just because you need go up from a Ram 1500 to a Ram 2500 to do that job, does not mean you need to up the F150 as well. You may say it is BS and that Ford is bloating their numbers, but I have a laundry list of articles that I can posts that will say otherwise because they HAVE done it.

@Alex

One of the scariest moments I can remember behind the wheel was using a one-ton International Harvester truck (w/2 sp axle) to tow a trailer load of big old-growth hand-cut timbers. These big beams had been part of a big house built in 1700's that my crew was demolishing.

Amazing old wood, and very heavy per foot. I was only 18 or 19 then and had sh#t for brains. To this day I have no idea what the load weighed but it was too much for my truck and tandem lo-boy trailer with a pintle hitch and electric brakes.

I'm rolling down a long grade doing only about 45mph when in the distance--maybe 200 yards--I see a school crossing and knew that because of the load, the speed and the grade I'd be lucky to stop the truck in time.

Every tire on the truck and trailer were smoking as that rig went through the school zone and the kids and the cop at the crosswalk just watched me and that load slide through the little intersection.

Nobody got hurt. The cop followed me and gave me a big lecture.

The truck hauled the load just fine on level pavement, dry conditions, easy pace. But there was no way to stop that load going down hill unless you had time and could modulate the brakes a bit.

Just because your truck will PULL the load doesn't make it safe to try.

@Papa Jim, excellent point, and sounds like a scary experience and glad nobody got hurt or killed!

@All1,
Advantages of the Ram with an Ecodiesel
Better fuel Economy
Peak torque at 500 rpm lower

Better fuel economy loaded or unloaded.

Better resale value

Better ride and handling

The Diesel engine will outlast a Gasser

8 speed trans is smoother

Diesel has a longer range

@HEMI V8

"Better fuel economy loaded or unloaded."

I already stated it gets better fuel economy.

"Better resale value"

That depends on the demand, and you pay more for it in the first place so it is null.

"Better ride and handling"

That is opinion. Some like a smooth car like ride will some like a stiffer more solid feel especially for a tow vehicle.

"The Diesel engine will outlast a Gasser"

You are generally correct on this one although this is null if the truck around it cannot hold up as well.

"8 speed trans is smoother"

This is also opinion and the sooth shifting has more to do with the torque converter, not the transmission.

"Diesel has a longer range"

You are correct here as well, but not with the Ecodiesel. You can only get a 26 gallon fuel tank with the Ecodiesel, and a 36 gallon fuel tank with the Ecoboost. Based off of the highway mileage of each engine, you have a longer range with a Ecoboost with a 36 gallon fuel tank.

@All1, Did you get all those Recalls fixed on your 2011 Eco boost?

http://www.cars.com/ford/f150/2011/recalls/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czyaZmYz9FQ

@All1, Do you realize This full size Ram beats Toyota's Tacoma
and Nissan's frontier mid size 4 bangers in MPG?

@HEMI V8

Nope I have not had that issue in mine or any of out company trucks. My cousin in Houston had an issue but it turned out to be a out of gap spark plug causing the misfire.

BTW, are you sure you want to play this game of trying to post recalls. I can promise you I can post more recent Ram truck recalls than you can post of Ford truck recalls. So let me ask again.....Are you sure you want to go there because I can play even harder.

@HEMI V8

"@All1, Do you realize This full size Ram beats Toyota's Tacoma
and Nissan's frontier mid size 4 bangers in MPG?"

And do you realize that the midsize Toyota Tacoma beats the Ram Ecodiesel full size with more payload capacity?

Toyota Tacoma I-4 Double Cab 4x4
Max payload - 1,360lbs

"The new Ram 1500 EcoDiesel is truly in a class of its own with 28 MPG and the ability to tow 9,200 pounds," said Reid Bigland - President and CEO, Ram Truck Brand. "To put the Ram 1500 EcoDiesel in context, it gets 6 mpg better fuel economy than the best F150 EcoBoost. Overall the Ram 1500 EcoDiesel has outstanding pick-up truck capability with compact car-like fuel economy."

All1, Looks good on paper. Which one do you HONESTLY think would handle 1,000lb payload better?

@HEMI V8

Well gee whiz, no surprise there that a less powerful and less capable engine gets better fuel economy. Next thing you will be telling us that we can save hundreds of dollars by switching to Gieco.

@zviera - you should look at what you post.

""Ford’s Kansas City plant said to be cranking out current generation trucks, which will now feature a frame that is one full gauge thinner on “non-tow” models."

You missed the "non-tow" part. Ford uses several different frame thicknesses as well as different number of cross-members and changes in tow hitches depending on the truck configuration and tow/haul specifications.

"0.100″ for the 126″ and 133″ WB, 0.110″ for the standard 145″, 0.150″ for the HD package 145″ and 157″."

That is why they can offer a more uniform tow/haul rating across their product line.

Ram (as far as I can tell) offers one frame and because of that, payload drops significantly based on model and wheelbase.

@HEMI V8

"All1, Looks good on paper. Which one do you HONESTLY think would handle 1,000lb payload better?"

Yes, I believe the Tacoma can handle that weight better than a coil spring Ram. Also, it is notable to point out that that payload rating is achieved by going by SAE J2807 standards.

@zviera - and you need to read ALL1's PDF of Ford specs:

Frame — Type Ladder Type with Fully Boxed Side Rails and Hydroformed Front Section,
7 Crossmembers, 36,000 psi Steel with 156.5" WB SuperCrew/
163.0" WB SuperCab

49,300 psi Steel with 126.0", 144.5" WB Regular Cab, 144.5" WB SuperCab/
144.5" WB SuperCrew

— Section Modulus (cu. in.) 5.35 with 126.0" WB Regular Cab/SuperCab; 5.70 with 144.5" WB
Regular Cab/SuperCab/SuperCrew; 7.20 with 156.5" WB SuperCrew/
163.0" WB SuperCab

Like I said - different frame configurations for different trucks.

I forgot to add this:

(1) 8200-lb. GVWR is included with the optional Heavy Duty Payload Package and requires either the 5.0L 4V V8 or 3.5L 4V V6 engine. In addition to the equipment listed above, this package also includes Super Engine Cooling, 9-channel oil-to-air auxiliary transmission oil cooler, frame upgrade (.150
rail thickness).

@All1 - no need to engage in a flame war with HemiV8. He likes that sort of nonsense.

JDPower, Vincentric etc. sum things up rather nicely.

JDPower places ford SuperDuty in 3rd behind the GMC siblings. The F150 rates behind the GMC siblings and the Avalanche which is basically the same as the pickup. The Ram - somewhere in last place.

IF one looks at ratings by badge:

1st - Lexus = 68
3rd - Cadillac = 107
5th - Buick = 112
7th - Lincoln = 114
7th - Toyota = 114
13th - Chevrolet = 132
16th - GMC = 133
Industry Average = 133
17th - Ford = 140
18th - Nissan = 142
23rd - Chrysler = 155
25th - Ram = 165
28th - Jeep = 178
30th - Dodge = 181

Recalls don't have a huge effect on overall ratings.

Last year Vincentric #1 spots were as follows:

#1 fleet HD - GMC
#1 personal HD - Ram
#1 fleet 1/2 ton - F150
#1 personal 1/2 ton - F150
#1 fleet small - Tacoma
#1 fleet personal - Tacoma

@All1
What's the RAM 3500 territory in, if your F150 is in RAM 2500 one ?
Your F150 has bloated numbers from factory, but I know, what BS numbers looks like.
I wouldn't even think to use half ton truck for pulling 9200lb trailer or 1890lb load.
That says it all about the F150 customers.

@All1, Now I know you are full of $#!^.

Rams coil spring rear end out handled all 1500 pick ups including Ford. With a 1,000 lb payload.

READ THIS AND WEEP!

LMFAO!
"Dude, you and HEMI V8 need to quit unless ya'll like people proving ya'll wrong over and over again. Then by all means, I'll be ya'lls huckleberry"
http://special-reports.pickuptrucks.com/2013/06/2013-light-duty-challenge-autocross.html

@LouBC, "@All1 - no need to engage in a flame war with HemiV8. He likes that sort of nonsense"

YOU CALL THIS NONSENCE?

http://www.cardealexpert.com/auto-news/two-boys-killed/


http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/16/iowa.vehicle.fire/index.html

"All1, Looks good on paper." lol

All1
Just looked at my neighbors 150 CC 4x4 6.5 bed, with Max trailer tow. The sticker on the door showed 1531 payload. It is a 2012 with 3.5 ecoboost.
You are full of it.

@HEMI V8

"Rams coil spring rear end out handled all 1500 pick ups including Ford. With a 1,000 lb payload.

READ THIS AND WEEP!"

Hey, why don't you try that with a Ram Ecodiesel Laramie Longhorn.......Oh wait, 1,000lbs would put it over it's payload.

Also, the people you tested it even stated "The Ford, Nissan and Toyota all had times in the 49-second range; each seemed to do more lumbering than nimble darting, which makes sense since those trucks were three of the four heaviest trucks of our test (F-150 5,820 pounds, Titan 5,520 pounds and Tundra 5,800 pounds)."

So WTF does this prove? That a heavier vehicle is slower around a track? Another thing we all know already.


@All1, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH!

@HEMI V8 - your the one who has to come to terms with the ideology you espouse.

If you don't want to follow your beliefs then how do you expect me to buy into what you are selling?

If all else fails, fall back to the pyromania fetish.

A sure sign that you have lost the argument.

@Zviera - it sounds like the only person you are trying to convince is yourself.

If you don't understand that point, I'm sure that Alex could explain it to you once your Risperdal kicks in.

@Zviera - I was reading through these posts............... you sound just like Oxi.

You...
"Keep your ideas for yourself. My truck with my setup can safely handle double the weight I am loading at. "

Oxi...
"My pickup can handle additional payload and I have ran many load tests on/off-road and stress tests to verify..."

@HEMI V8 - blah, blah, blah?????

Ram is a Big Horn sheep and don't they go "bah, bah , bah"???

Work on your spelling.

Any more fire recalls?

I need some fire to roast all of those marshmallows oxi I mean Zviera keeps posting.

@zviera

It's not max tow. If he has regular mirrors then he only has the regular tow package which has a payload in the 1,500lbs range. You will notice the big towing mirrors that adjust out if he has the max tow package.

http://postimg.org/image/k95w3mf6j/

@Lou, the claim Zafira made about going to his neighbor's house to look at the sticker on the door jamb. Hahahaha!!! I wonder how that socially awkward conversation went down. "Ummmm can I look at the door jamb on your truck so I can blog about it?" "Ahhh.......oookkaaaayyyyyyy..."

@All1
It is Max tow he has. Your picture doesn't show what cabin it is.

@All1
What's the RAM 3500 territory in, if your F150 is in RAM 2500 one ?Your F150 has bloated numbers from factory, but I know, what BS numbers looks like.I wouldn't even think to use half ton truck for pulling 9200lb trailer or 1890lb load.That says it all about the F150 customers.

@LoBC, All1, Stay thirsty my friends. lol

Yep, we know how to drive properly and not overly rely on numbers! It's the ones who do overly rely on numbers that I worry about. They don't factor in other variables, such as speed, weather, terrain, road conditions, or types of roads (wide and straight vs. narrow and windy). They're the ones who are going to have a huge collision and whine about how they didn't exceed the manufacturer's tow ratings. These are the people who don't comprehend basic physics. These are the ones who will engage in frivolous lawsuits.

@zviera

Well, it sucks to be you. I really don't care if you don't believe me or Ford. I know you are going to believe whatever makes Ram look better even if it means going over their own max payload limits that they put on their truck. Just as you can only lead a horse to water, I can only present you factual information, and it is up to you on what you want to do with it. Keep on keepin on with overloading your Ram past it's max payload. I just hope and pray you don't hurt anybody. I know you are going to make some snooty remark after this about how tough your Ram is with it being over it's max payload or how much of a towing expert you are even though you didn't know what your trucks max payload capacity was when you bought it. Then HEMI V8 will jump it with some nonsensical post trying to save face for his beloved Ram even if it is factual or not. Either way, I will be just LMAO at what ever rebuttal you guys make because I don't give a shnit anymore because you guys will morph facts (or even not believe them at all) to put them into your own predetermined mindset. You are going to see what you want to see and believe what you want to believe.

-Let the facts change your belief, not your belief change the facts-

@All1
I trust my own eyes and my son best friend dad more than you. His sticker says 1531 lb payload for truck you suppose to have.
You are the only one going to hurt somebody on the road, with your overloaded rear axle at 3 times the weight I am pulling with my half ton.
Your F150 has bloated numbers from factory, but I know, what BS numbers looks like.I wouldn't even think to use half ton truck for pulling 9200lb trailer or 1890lb load.That says it all about the F150 owners.

Son's best friend's dad... Hahahahaha!!!!! Well my best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's dad has an F150...... Credibility problem? ;)

I have seen that sticker with my own eyes.
Are you mad I proved you talking BS alex?

@Zviera, don't say you're done talking to someone if you can't resist the urge to respond when they get under your skin. It makes you look like a bigger idiot than you already did. You proved me wrong did you? Let me refresh your memory (because it isn't a very good one): I provided a link referring to Ford using more steel in the frame. More steel weighs more than less steel. Seriously, you are a fruitcake! Go see a psychologist and ask him to give you the WPPSI test and let us know the results.

@alex
They use more high strength steel, but frame doesn't weights more.
I know it's hard for you to understand this, but I have no any other way to say that.
What happened to your BS.

Ford will NOT use different frame strengths for various F150 models. That is just absurd to even suggest that. I'd like you to find a source to back that up because I know that's not true.

Ford is absurd to even suggest that. Hypocrite. You know BS and not a true.

I have no difficulty understanding logical sentences, (hence my very good academic record), but to be honest, I do have trouble sifting through your waffle, especially with poor grammar like "but frame doesn't weights more." I think you were trying to say "the frame doesn't weigh more, even though I have no facts to back that up."

In regards to the second half of your last post. I have no idea what you're rambling on about there dude. You said earlier "Some models designed to pull less are even lighter, with lighter steel gage frame." I think you are saying is "some models" (XLT, Lariat, FX4, King Ranch, etc.) will have different frame strengths. If that is what you mean, that is absolute crap! They use the same frame for every F150. If that is not what you mean, then please be clearer.



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