2015 Ford F-150 Continues to Ride V-6 Success

2013 F-150 II

V-6 engines have been hugely successful for the Ford F-150. In the last year, more than 50 percent of all F-150 sales have included either an EcoBoost 3.5-liter twin-turbo V-6 or the naturally aspirated 3.7-liter V-6. And it looks like that trend it will continue — Ford plans to announce Friday that it will make a $500 million investment in its Lima, Ohio, engine plant. It will produce the all-new 2.7-liter V-6 EcoBoost engine slated for the new 2015 Ford half-ton.

According to The Detroit News, the plant will add 300 new employees and will continue to produce the Duratec 3.5-liter V-6 as well. The all-new aluminum-bodied 2015 F-150 (due out later this year) will offer three V-6 engines and one V-8 variant.

According to a recent press release, Ford expects interest in the "fuel effective" V-6 to continue for years. In fact, in the first two months of 2014, 57 percent of Ford's F-150 sales have had V-6s under the hood, breaking down to 46 percent equipped with the EcoBoost and 11 percent with the base 3.7-liter.

According to our data, that means that more than 200,000 F-150s in 2013 had the EcoBoost engine, while more than 50,000 were equipped with the entry-level engine. We'll have a more detailed look at each truckmaker and sales data for the various pickup trucks next week, breaking down half-ton, three-quarter-ton, and one-ton sales by make and model.

 

Duratec 3.7L V-6 II

 

Comments

@hdmax
I think the problem you guys are having is there are engine choices as good as or even better than a V8.

A V6 is based on the configuration of the basic engine. Is a Top Fueler a V8? Is that different?

This comment comes from someone who fears.

Simply put, the AVERAGE consumer is now realizing that there are choices other than a V8.

This is great.

What no one seemingly wants to offer is a good straight-six. The last Ford 4.9L I-6 and the Jeep 4.0L I-6 were absolute workhorses. BMW is the last real home for the configuration, and no one who buys one seems to mind. In trucks, the only place you'll find six cans in a row is the Cummins in a Ram HD.

@Hemi V8

"Rams Eco diesel sounds to me like what your looking for. It was not on the market when you bought your Eco boost."

The Ecodiesel is not rated to tow enough to meet my towing requirements by a long shot so that wouldn't do either. I am still waiting to drive one when my friend gets one at the dealership he works for. I can pretty much already tell how it will feel power wise looking at it's dyno, but I still want to drive one just to feel it out for myself. The Ecodiesel's dyno does not look like regular towing diesel dynos. Most towing diesels keep their torque for a while before tapering off, but the Ecodiesel starts loosing torque shortly after it's peak and dramatically so after 3,000 rpm. This gives it a very narrow powerband. It will all depend on the transmission and if it can keep it in that powerband, but I want to see for myself when I drive one even though it does not meet my towing needs.

the Ford Falcon and Territory have a 4.0 I6. They are pulling the plug on that motor though. Also, the Vortec 4200 I6 wasn't a bad motor.

I've enjoyed my Ecoboost. I had the intercooler problem and the fix has worked. I traded for a newer model with 4x4 back in February. I made the rounds before I traded and only the RAM was tempting. When all was said and done, the discounts on the Ford outweighed the creature comforts of the RAM. I had an '07 Silverado with the small V8 before my first Ecoboost F150 and I liked it too. I currently get decent mileage with the F150. I usually get better mileage than my wife's Sienna. Personally, I may have fallen for the sales hype, although I find the Ford to be a compelling truck and I really like its get up and go. Thankfully, the market is full of great choices so when it comes down to it for me, I'm going to go with price until a manufacturer makes their product too compelling to resist some extra $$$. Here are the offers I had: Ford F150 XLT CC 4X4 V6eco list $43,200, sale $30,450; Chevy Silverado LT CC 4x4 V8 list $44,000, sale $35,600; RAM SLT 4X4 CC V8 list $43,500, sale $33,200). The RAM was compelling, but not $2750 compelling.

@ALL1
If you are towing such a large weight around why don't you buy a HD?

It would be a lot safer.

The tow figures generated by the manufacturers are overly generous and pie in the sky stuff.

In all honesty I would only ever tow 2/3 to 3/4 of what the manufacturers states. If I had to tow more then I would want a larger vehicle.

Even the Eco Diesel Ram can tow over 9 000lbs. Even with that size trailer I would want a HD.

What do you tow that's over 9 000lbs?

A friend of mine purchased a F-150 Pickup with ECO-Boost V-6.
The best fuel mileage he could get out of it was 16 MPG.
He has always driven Fords all his driving career and was`so disappointed in it, he sold it. The Ford Dealership could not make it do any better.
I told him I have a 1983 Ford that did that good.
What is wrong with Ford.
IT is said that the Dodge Hemi, V-8 can get better mileage than the V-6 Ford.
I have always been a Ford fan, but think I might rather have a V-8 if it can do as well or better than a v-6

I wonder if the 3.7 v6 engine isn't underrated towing capacity so that people will opt for the ecoboost or 5.0.

@tommyblackston
You should talk to your friend and tell him to lay off of the heavy right foot.

Also, if you are a friend why didn't you tell your friend to take the pickup to Ford and have them put the computer on the truck for a quick diagnosis of the engine.

Or are you just a Ram fan boi?

I buy a half ton truck for its capacity. I would love to get a 3/4 ton but would not use its capacity very often. When you buy a half ton truck with a six cylinder engine, or really just about any engine smaller than about 5.0 liter you've lost a good bit of your capacity.

I once had a 79 F150/F100 pickup (long story) with a 4 speed and it had the 4.9 engine that all of the six cylinder guys like to brag about (they have stump pulling torque).

Those motors were about out of breath at about 3500 rpm.

Of all the V6's Ford put in the F150, the 4.2 Essex engine eventually turned out best--not the most powerful but the most durable.

Not at first, but eventually they got it right.

We need a bit longer to know if the 3.5 EB will turn out good. The 3.7 has already been dropped. Once there are a lot of F150s out there with 250k on those 3.5's EBs we will know.

@papa jim: great engines through the years? You tend to like GM, how about a 350, 3.48 stroke, 4" bore, but wait, when we get down to 327s and we are what 4" bore, maybe 3.25 stroke? Thinking the 302 Chevy and Ford are 4" bore, 3"stroke. they breathe good, but they need to rev more.

I'm better those airplane prop driven engines don't do alot of flying at the lower rpm, and your motorcycle racers run serious rpm.

You can have the big bore, for the street. I would gladly up the stroke to 4" on a Dodge 360 to be 400 vs a Dodge 400 big bore short stroke, look it up.

My step dad had a 65 or so GMC truck. Had around a 305? v-6, it was sooo gutless. I'm thinking it was a 2 speed too. Driving that gutless wonder made him shop for another truck, the 74 GMC c-20 454. no loss of torque, but a bit thirsty.

I get tired of hearing people say "if you need to tow that much why don't you just get a 3/4 ton truck?" Because a 3/4 ton is a pain in the ass compared to a 1/2 ton. Purchase price is higher, fuel costs are higher, brakes, tires, harder to park, not as enjoyable to drive, etc. If I can do the job with a 1/2 ton I am going to buy a !@#@#@# 1/2 ton. These guys that say you can't safely tow the maximum capacity that they are rated for don't know what they are talking about. I had over 13,000 pounds of seed plus trailer weight behind a 09 f-150 with the 5.4 v8 this week. It handled it just fine. I don't do it regularly and we didn't go far with it, but sure is nice to be able to do that when I need to with a 1/2 ton and not have to get another 3/4 ton truck. If you are towing heavy loads like that regularly a 3/4 ton truck or bigger is what you need, but many people only need to tow a load like that a handful of times per year. You will be fine pulling maximum capacity in your truck at least every once in a while if you are careful and know what you're doing.

I would pay extra ..for a non ecoboost v8 5.0 engine....the Ecoboost is having problems...most folks I see with them...say its not great on fuel..as former v8 when loaded....just love that V8 sound ...Ford should not degrade the v8.in order to showcase the turbo v6....being reliable is more important ..

@TRX-4 Tom
So you'd rather have a 285hp 255ft-lb 3.5 liter V6 that get 0.1mph better than a 3.5 liter with 300hp 265ft-lb.

Ford is doing this because they want to upsell people to the 2.7 twin-force V6 [ecoboost is Maytag trademark]
Plus, you only have to suffer with the legacy 6 speed automatic for two years.

"The 3.5 l echo boost does not get any better mileage than competitors v8 s. So why in the hell would someone buy a twin turbo charged v6 engine (essentially forcing air into a small engine to make it work harder) over a v8? Can't wait to see all these trucks in 7 to 8 years when people are having to get them rebuilt and having to replace turbos.

People who have bought ecoboosts have just fallin for a huge marketing ploy.


Posted by: Shawn | Mar 28, 2014 4:24:42 PM

ON TOP OF THAT PAY THOUSANDS MORE FOR THE ECO ENGINE.

@ Big Al,

I tow 9,500 lbs a few times a year like I have stated before. The rest of the time it is under 5,000lbs so an HD is not needed. The 9,500lbs load consist of a Jeep and a RZR that I take our club weekend events.

How can you say it is not safe? Have you towed that much weight with an F150 to determine it is not safe? Have you looked at the specs to say it is not safe? What experience or information do you have to come up with such a conclusion?

If you look at today's F150 specs, you will see they closely mirror Ram 2500s of the early 2000s. In all actuality they are better in many instances. The current F150 brakes are bigger and are disc in the rear instead of drum like how the Ram 2500 were. The current F150 frame has a stronger yield strength of 36,000+ psi with just as many cross members if not more. The current F150 transmission can handle more input shaft torque and has shorter gears than the Ram 2500 diesel automatics could back then. The non diesel Ram 2500 axles back then were 9.75" Dana 60s which is the same size as in the current F150. My current F150 is just as heavy as my old Ram 2500. The current F150 also has things like trailer sway control and ESP that my old 2500 didn't. I never heard anyone cry foul when I towed 10,000lbs with my old 99 Ram 2500 yet my new F150 that matches or exceeds its specs is not safe? Huh?

What experience do these people have towing 9,000+lbs with a current F150 to say it isn't safe? Is it just because the F150 is labeled by an archaic term called "half ton" that doesn't even apply to trucks anymore? That term should have died out a long time ago along with "3/4 ton" and "1 ton". Both "1 tons" and "3/4 tons" haul way more then what they are labeled as yet I don't here anyone crying foul then? I don't here anyone crying foul with today's "1 tons" being rated to tow over 20,000lbs when just 10 years ago DRW Ram 3500s were not rated to tow more than 15,500lbs. Get with the times people, today """half tons""" are not half tons anymore so applying that kind of old logic is not logical.

Apparently PUTC didn't think it was unsafe when they towed 9,000lbs with a 2011 F150 Ecoboost with 3.55 axles on a 2,000+ mile trip up and over the Rockies. http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/04/road-test-review-2011-ford-f-150-fx2-35-liter-ecoboost-v-6-part-1.html

So why do you say it isn't safe?


Lastly, the Ecodiesel is rated to tow over 9,000 lbs in a regular can 4x2 and 4x4 or quad cab 4x2 only. A truck like my 4x4 crew cab long bed is only rated at 8,700lbs towing.

The Eco diesel weighs more than a Hemi V8. You can't compare Ford's Eco to Rams Eco. Ram has plenty of capability with this engine but blows ALL away in MPG.

@HEMI V8 - Ram 1500 does not compete with Ford or Chevy in cargo capacity. Most crewcab pickups fall into the 1,100 to 1,300 lb range and the highest tend to be around 1,500. Ram maxes out at 1,500 "ish" and GMC at 2,000 and Ford 2,300 (crewcab - 4x4). What kills capacity is options. Ram takes the biggest hit.

For those who actually pay attention to capacity, Ford and GMC are the only ones that give you the capacity. Ford has 3 different frames for the F150.

Everyone has a tendency to overload their trucks. You do it and so does yahoo on a fairly frequent basis. I've overloaded mine once. Everyone gets away with it but in reality ignorance is not bliss and if you've ever been in court, ignorance is not a defence.


Posted by: Lou_BC | Mar 28, 2014 1:26:47 PM
@LouBC, Seems Ford is willing to risk more if something does go wrong and you end up in court.

Lets not forget Fords magic spring dust. Lets not forget Ford is a monster compared to Chrysler. Lets not forget these numbers are on PAPER! In reality which is where i live, the manufacture
is the one setting these ratings. And most importantly, lets not forget that these companies are making enormous amounts of money and will kill their moms for more share of the pie. Corporations are GREEDY. Anything for the O mighty dollar.

Lets not forget the F 150 is FORD'S everything. It's the crown jewel of the company. Ford besides the mustang have NOTHING that excites me.

Lets not forget who out performed ALL others in towing and autocross with a 1,000lb payload. Ram may NOT be able to haul more than FORD. I can't say. NEED TESTING. but out performs all others in the rate Ram has set. That is a FACT.
FORD OR CHEVY DO NOT HAVE THE RIDE QUALITY OF THE RAM 1500. THEY WON'T HAVE IT FOR 2500 EITHER.
I DON'T NEED FORD TO HAUL MORE. I CAN BUY A 2500. FROM RAM.


Posted by: HEMI V8 | Mar 28, 2014 7:08:19 PM

Wish Ford would clean up the engine compartment, what a mess, it looks like the wiring harness (if one could call it that) was put in as an afterthought.

@LouBC, "For those who actually pay attention to capacity, Ford and GMC are the only ones that give you the capacity. Ford has 3 different frames for the F150."

AND DOES FORD GIVE ME THIS CAPACITY COMPARED TO RAM/GM FOR FREE?

@hemiV8 - have you ever been in court???
Most have done jury duty. I've done jury duty but that doesn't really count.

Have you ever had to take the stand?
and be cross examined?

I have due to work.

It is an eye opener and guess what?

Lawyers look for loopholes, anything to have evidence thrown out or lay blame or escape blame.

If one does not follow policy, procedure, documented safety procedures and/or ratings or that of the machines/equipment/devices they use....... then they are screwed.

In relation to motor-vehicles: the capacity/ratings numbers on the door is what a police officer, accident reconstructionist, motor-vehicle inspector, lawyer etc. look at. Those numbers are set by the professional engineers that design them. A licenced/registered professional rating an item does so within the professional guidelines set out by their profession. They do not lie because it would affect their licencing and make them personally liable for injury and death.

I'm very familiar with meeting professional standards and strict adherence protects oneself even when mistakes get made.

Back to being in court, I was subpoenaed as a professional witness for he prosecution. I was grilled for an hour just to establish my professional expertise and professional standings. My involvement with the accused lasted maybe an hour but I was on the stand for over 4 hours.

I did my job as outlined by my profession, I followed established policy, protocol, and procedures that are best practice for my profession. My documentation was exact, free from vague opinions, and precise.

Result.....
I was perfectly fine and the accused was found guilty.

Lets apply that to tow haul ratings:
If you follow the ratings set out by the manufacture, follow the rules surrounding the use of that vehicle, and follow the rules set out by the jurisdiction you are within, then if something goes wrong you are unlikely to be held to blame............

BUT.......

as you have stated, your trailer is heavier than what your truck is rated to tow, you've performed suspension modifications to your vehicle that alter its performance dynamics, you run tires much larger than what is approved for your vehicle and you most likely are exceeding the ratings of those tires. You have also admitted to towing at very high speeds that are beyond what is recommended by your jurisdiction.

If something goes wrong........... how do you think you would fare in court?

You would be screwed.

@LouBC, True. That's why I need a 2500. My trailer is 7,400lbs which is not overloaded yet. Once I get fully loaded I am without a doubt over loaded. I did not own all I have got when I bought my truck. Needed a 6.4 bed 4 doors. Dodge was the only brand offering that in the 1500. I didn't plan on a trailer until 3 years later. Truck has done fine but I agree with you I need more capability. I have out grown my 1500. ;)

You know Ford is not on my list. Just for $#!^'s and giggles. ;)

DOES FORD GIVE ME THIS EXTRA CAPACITY FOR FREE?
The reason I ask is because i can get a mid option 2500 for the price of a high end 1500.

@Hemi V8 -

"AND DOES FORD GIVE ME THIS CAPACITY COMPARED TO RAM/GM FOR FREE?"

Wow, that was a lame comment.

Did you pay extra to get a Ram with a 5.7 hemi?
Did you pay extra to get a 4x4?

Those are options available for a price.

Ford and Chevy has max haul and tow as a package in 1/2 tons.
Ram does not.

I was really excited about the Ecodiesel in a 1/2 ton until the haul specs were posted.

This is what YOU said earlier-

"That is what makes modern time buying so great. Instead of cookie cutter trucks all about the same. Ford and Ram are offering exclusive engines and options. Spreading out in their own directions. It's AWESOME. Hope these trends continue. "

Chevy offers a few things that Ram does not.

No cookie cutters and each company is plotting their own course.

That is where I was wrong when I said that Ram would be the compass pointing the way.

Each company has their own opinion as to what makes a great truck..................

just match up the truck that meets your wants, needs and desires the closest.

That has nothing to do with badge.

@LouBC, AMEN BROTHER! Each manufacture is offering EXCLUSIVE options. That's why I am stuck with a MEXICAN assembled POWER WAGON. If I had a choice I would choose an AMERICAN UNION OR CANADIAN CAW built truck. NO ONE has a POWER WAGON but RAM. It's everything and more in a truck.
I can pull my weekend house and set up camp pretty much were ever I want to. Away from all the YAHOO'S blowing sh!^ up all night with gasoline bombs and illegal fire works fulled by alcohol and drugs.

Only a retard would buy a ECO BUST or some poor sucker that lost a bet!

@johnny doe - only a retard would say that because one does not understand simple math. 46% of F150 sales equates to around 500,000 V6 3.5 engines sold per year.

I can see why you Chevy fans being butt hurt so badly since your favorite brand dropped the ball with the GMT900's and experts are saying that the 2014 pickup launch was a failure, a botched exercise from the word GO.

The only thing Chevy has going for it is the fact that one can get a 2K max cargo option in the crewcab and even that is under the capacity of the F150.

@beebe

Your rig is dangerous to you and to others you meet on the road. You were forgetting that moving all that seed is one thing--being able to steer or brake in an emergency is another. For the load you're hauling a 3/4 ton is the right medicine. Better tires, better brakes, better rig.

"My step dad had a 65 or so GMC truck. Had around a 305? v-6, it was sooo gutless..."

@TRX4tom

Your stepdad's truck...how long ago was this?

Those old GMCs were built in a different age. GM and Ford were indifferent to truck customers in those days. Dodge was even worse. It's like a trip back in time.

There were no lifestyle truck buyers then. Lifestylers are HALF the market for pickups today. Then you were a hayseed if you had a truck parked in your driveway.

The Big 3 in those days were willing to let micro producers like American Motors Corp. and International Harvester play in their turf. That would NEVER happen today.

The drivetrains were just one of the product-development weaknesses in those trucks. Brakes, tires and chassis ditto.

There was nothing to love about them.

When people restore those oldies today they take on a lot of work because those trucks were so lame. They have a cool factor, but it's a joke compared to today's pickups.

I wouldn't say that I wouldn't buy an Ecoboost, but it would have to be in a GM cab.

@Mark Williams

My comments get deleted for responding to a guy that chose to name himself retard, but comments like this are allowed? Really?

"Only a retard would buy a ECO BUST or some poor sucker that lost a bet!"

@Lou_BC Butt hurt? nope its just my opinion. Only one butt hurt here looks like ALL1

OH Mark daddy daddy johnny doe made fun of the ECO BUST!

HAHA

If you ask me (and I know you don't), I think we're on the cusp of a new division between consumer trucks and work trucks. Where before the 1/2, 3/4 and 1-ton trucks were almost strictly consumer or light-duty trucks and the heavy work was done by medium-duty trucks, the current round of "light duty" trucks have impinged on that medium-duty classification. Either CAFE or some other regulation is likely to shear the medium-duty tasks away from the light-duty trucks by the simple requirement of a CDL for any truck CAPABLE of 10,000 pounds towing or more.

True, such a rule wouldn't stop the purchasing of such, but it would increase state and federal revenues by the licensing requirement AND would force the automakers to return to true light-duty trucks for light-duty purposes--which means they'll also end up smaller.

@Johnny Doe

Oh I am not butt hurt by what you said. It is your opinion and it is not like it holds any relevance or real world value especially since the new 2014 GMs have had more recalls than my 3 year Ecoboost F150.

I just think it is a little F'ed up that you get to say "retard" with out your posts being immediately deleted, but I can't when I was using it to respond to a guy that called himself "retard".

@papa jim
Have you ever towed that much with a 1/2 ton or a 3/4 ton for that matter? i do it every spring and fall with both my 1/2 ton and my 3/4. I use the 3/4 when I can because it handles it better, but a 1/2 ton handles the load just fine. Towing 14,000 pounds with ANYTHING is going to be hard to stop, hard to control under emergency situations. That doesn't mean it isn't reasonably safe to do from time to time. You slow down, you know the road you're traveling, and there's no problem at all towing max capacity (or beyond) in all my experiences. It's also hard to stop or quickly maneuver (without tipping over) our 50,000 pound 10 wheelers hauling grain. Does that mean it's dangerous? YES!! does that mean I shouldn't do it? Of course not.

@Beebe

I towed more s**t by accident than you have pulled your whole life.

Because I was smart about the safety issues I'm still here to talk about it all these years later.

Drove commercially for over 10 years, no losses, no accidents, nobody hurt. Been to every state but Alaska, Hawaii, Maine and Vermont.

Mostly drove with lousy equipment too. Jobs were hard to get and you had to suck it up if the rolling stock was crap. They did not have so-called truck driving schools in those days either.

@RoadWhale
I agree you will start seeing a greater divide between a working pickup style vehicle and a SUV style pickup.

That's why Fiat Ram has those small payloads. Pickups are not used very often now as a work truck, but a station wagon. Even many of the so called working pickups are nothing more than a tax write off. So, how many are actually used for work? 20%? If you're lucky.

The aluminium pickups will cost more and I bet sales numbers will dwindle over time. There will be a market for them, but nothing like the numbers now.

If you are running a small business and you rarely carry over 1 000lbs in the bed I do think a little 2 litre Nissan van or Ford Connect will start to look more attractive. Even more than reducing the size of a truck to a midsizer. These vehicles are significantly cheaper than a pickup and offer much greater FE.

Papa Jim
haha. You've towed a whole lot of accidental S**T!!! My question is, where does it come from???

I have a lot of experience with heavy loads as well. All kinds of loads. I can tell you that overloading a 1/2 ton truck a few times a year to go 10 miles at 35 miles per hour is CHICKEN S**T compared to hauling 50,000 pounds with a big rig that was designed specifically for hauling that, but you already knew that!! I can tell you're upset because you know I have a point. I do more dangerous things on a daily basis than overload a 1/2 ton pickup a few times a year to go a short distance at low speed. Heck, it's more dangerous driving a regular tractor with a 25 foot chisel plow down the road. I did that today!! It would be stupid for me to buy another 3/4 ton truck when i can get by just fine with a 1/2 ton. To say it is too dangerous to do what I do, well I guess I better just quit farming then cause I'm endangering the lives of way too many people with all the other stuff I do everyday!

@Durastrokinns the soon to be knocked back down by SAE standards it makes 355Hp & 383Tq & claims to tow "11,400lbs" ya right lol the old 5.7L from 09 makes 390Hp & 407Tq & gets 2Mpgs less good job GM over rate the truck & get 2mpgs better than a 5yr old motor that will be getting updated soon.

@Beebe

You have a farm--or do you work for someone who has a farm? If you and your family have a farm, the 3/4 ton makes even more sense.

Get one with a power take-off and you can use it for all kinds of chores. Very handy. Also durable.

You won't regret it.

I bought the 2013 F-150 with the 5.0 V8 cause the head mechanic at the local Ford Dealership told me all the Eco-Boost they sold came back with problems.
In the test drive I did like the Eco-Boost better and noticed a big difference in acceleration than the 5.0 V8, but I kind of think (patting myself on the back) that the transmission is programed different making it feel like it has better acceleration.
Then I researched the gas mileage between the 3.5 EB and the 5.0 V8 trusting Consumer Reports and fuelly.com and they are evenly matched and the BEST is a 1 MPG better on the Eco-Boost.
Then I researched that the ESP Warranty DOESN'T cover the twin turbo's
Too many reports of Eco-Boost engines that go into limp mode after driving in a heavy rain, we all the know the turbo's are sucking water from the low intake pointed to the ground,, Ford needs to install a snorkel on them!

i just picked up the eco boost in a super cab and it is a great running truck. the low end torque is much better than i anticipated. I hope they come out with a bigger ecoboost for superduty. best thing about the the 3.5tt is the low end and turbo whistle. i can hear mine over the radio.

Papa jim
I have 3 pickup trucks. A 3/4, a 1/2, and a ranger. I drive the 1/2 ton most of the time. During busy times every truck is put to use, that is why sometimes we overload the smaller trucks. Altogether on our farm (between myself and brothers who farm with me) we have one 1 ton, two 3/4 tons , five 1/2 tons , and 3 little 4 cylinder pickups.

I'm still driving my 2008 with a 5.4 and I have no complaints about it, but I'm waiting to see what the engines are going to be in the next generation F-150. I'll end up coming around to a 6 cylinder, but I'm in no hurry.

@Beebe

I'm curious about something--is the land mostly boggy where you farm or is it pretty solid?

Boggy? I wouldn't say that. Mostly heavy soil, some sandy soil. It's a dry climate, but we irrigate so there is mud to deal with in places. There are a few places nearby where the water table is close to the surface, but nowhere on our farm.

@Beebe

Running your trucks on the solid stuff or even the sandy stuff won't hurt them. The boggy gumbo soils will tear-up u-joints and drive-line related hardware.

The work that trucks do on farms or on undeveloped land is not easily measured with an odometer. It can be really hard on the rolling stock.

Farming can be a great life but here in the Southeast where I live if you don't have a certificate from the US Dept of Agriculture it's hard to make a living on the family farm anymore.

Tobacco, soybeans, peanuts, dairy, corn, poultry and beef are so heavily regulated that only the big commercial operations and the co-op members have a fair chance at it.

What part of the country do you farm in?

I wouldn't really call it a family farm. We farm a few thousand acres in the northwest. Very different from farming in most of the rest of the country. With irrigation we get very high yields on average. Regulations? We have no issues with any regulations, but we don't grow any of the crops you mentioned. Dry edible beans, wheat, potatoes, sugarbeets, alfalfa, barley. There's not many regulations to deal with except some simple things with roundup ready that few farmers follow here anyways. By far the single hardest thing on our equipment is dust.

Understand about dust and equipment. RE: farming, do you have price supports for wheat?

Here the peanut farmers can't sell their crops in the US unless they have a cert. Ditto for soybeans.

It keeps crop prices steadier for the farmers but it means that only those who participate in the programs can really be competitive.

I think the V6 is going to get stronger and stronger and may push the V8 into special edition territory in the 1/2 ton world. I've been around compact and full sized half tons all my life. In the 80's Toyota had a turbo 4 in their truck. That thing was amazing, nothing too high tech but bulletproof and gave the truck a huge low end torque advantage.

The Toyota turbo 4 was lighter on gas than the V6's of the time but made comparable power. It died at the model year change though because the competition was moving to V6's and the perception that the turbo 4 was weaker than the V6's was more than Toyota could overcome. In a way though it could be viewed as the predecessor of the EB.

The current EB gets buyers attention because 90% of the 420 lb/ft of torque is available under 2000 rpm's. None of the current half ton V8's can do that, they have to be screaming in the 4k to 6k rpm range to hit close to max torque. That is the heart and soul of the EB, that is what gets peoples attention, that and the fact that the EB comes in a solid and proven package.

With most of the torque available at such low RPM's why would I want a V8?

Will an EB need turbos replaced as they age, probably (depending on use and maintenance) but they are Garret t-15s not an uncommon turbo and one that there will probably be a large pool of exchanges to draw from when its time. Will a V8 need some work at that age, sure I did intake manifold gaskets on a GM 5.3 at 8 years. I don't think that argument can hold up that the EB's will take more to keep going as they get older.

After living with an EB for two years and doing some heavy towing around the country I'll take my next truck in EB again please.

The fuel mileage is on par with my last GM 5.3 in mixed driving, on the highway I've gotten 26mpg a couple times and that is with a 4X4 screw with tow package and 3.73's and flat highway in front of me. That torque on tap made me smile the first time I test drove it and now 2 years and several thousand miles later its the part that still makes me smile about this truck the most.



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