2015 Super Duty Will Get A Stronger Power Stroke

2015 Power Stroke II

The power ratings are out for the second-generation Power Stroke engine that's set to debut in the 2015 Super Duty F-250, F-350 and F-450, and the numbers, as you probably expected, will be class-leading.

Predicted horsepower ratings for the upgraded 6.7-liter turbo-diesel, which we first saw at the 2013 State Fair of Texas, will be 440, or a 10 percent jump from the previous engine. Torque ratings are predicted to be 860 pounds-feet, up almost 8 percent. We had the chance at the State Fair to talk with David Ives, Ford's lead engineering on the new Power Stroke, about the improvments but he wouldn't tell us the exact numbers. 

Additionally, as you might expect, the Ram HD 3500 will no longer hold the maximum tow rating crown at 30,000 pounds, as the new Ford F-450 will offer a rating of 31,200 pounds. (We should note that the SAE J2807 towing standards will not apply to vehicles in this GVW category.) Likewise, the maximum GCWR for the new Ford Super Duty F-450 will be a class-leading — dare we say "class-crushing" — 40,000 pounds.

“The designers of the original 6.7-liter Power Stroke V8 turbo diesel predicted that it would eventually need to be upgraded for higher output,” said David Ives, Ford Power Stroke technical specialist. “They designed it in a way that made it easier to add a larger turbocharger, increasing airflow and creating more power for dramatically improved performance, yet we haven’t lost any efficiency.”

New injector tips spray a finer mist of fuel into the cylinders which provides a more complete burn and helps reduceing noise, vibration and harshness. Other benefits include lower emissions and less fuel deposit buildup on the intake valves over time.

Of course, we fully understand that a number on paper is completely different than proving how capable a truck is in the real world. We proved that with our most recent King of Beasts and Hurt Locker road tests, but Ford has clearly responded to the challenge.

To read the full press release, click here.

Photos by Evan Sears, Cars.com

 

2015 Super Duty Power Stroke II

2015 Power Stroke 2 II

 

Comments

@RoadTrip
I agree with you 100%.

@Dustin, clearly you don't know about these engines. The Cummins is NOT a V6. It is an inline 6 with a 4.21'' cylinder bore and a 4.88'' stroke. The Ford has a 3.9'' cylinder bore with a 4.25'' stroke. The Ford's cylinders are smaller on every dimension. But having 2 more cylinders, it's total capacity is about the same. So you can't argue that the Cummins is a smaller engine. I'm sick of you fanboys trying to give one side of the story to make your story sound better. "Oh it has fewer cylinders and relies on Ram magic to do the job." Seriously, shut up!

@Justin: the Ram Cummins has always been an inline 6, be it 5.9 or 6.7 I don't know where you got v-6, that's the 1500 engine.

Lets just see how it really pulls and see if can handle that weight SAE J2807.

Ford played the leap frog with Rams v-6, and threw out a number to beat Ram, too bad Edmunds tested the two of them and proved the Ford number was way off. They ran them at the Ram number, or real close, then they added weight to the Ford. What do you know? The Ford overheated it's transmission, and that's a new truck in April or so, when it's not hot out. It went faster, but couldn't hold a gear, constant gear hunting.

So when these numbers come out we will see how real they are.

What did they do for the rest of the truck? Just power? Anything for the transmission? Do you still have to remove the cab to work on the engine? Will the frame still twist, worst in it's class?

So what king of mileage did zviera say he got, Beebe? I got 19 out of a hemi 4x4 @65 mph with 3.92 gears, hilly area. Would be better through Illinois or Florida.

Hope the interior lasts longer then this Focus.

I agree with somebody above, how about work on the mileage some? We don't all tow houses with trucks, some folks need the payload, but not even 20k of towing capacity, in an HD truck.

@TRX
Ford states "Best-in-class fuel economy (Ford simulated city-suburban drive-cycle tests of comparably equipped 2015 Ford and 2011-2013 competitive models, consistent with SAE Standard J1321). The 6.7 already has a good reputation for fuel economy. Maybe with the increased torque, we will see a taller axle ratio option, like 3.08:1 to keep the rpms down.

- If I needed to tow 30,000 pounds regularly, you'd find me with a CDL and a Class 6 rig -

Roadtrip, darn right, and if I was pulling that kind of weight, the truck had better have air brakes!

@Juggernaut
You miss read my post. The hitch shop salesman told me I don't need any of it and it bought and installed it anyway.
I like extra safety many other don't care about.
Are you a towing expert as well? You could help me to find this ford 350 for 30, 000lbs towing maybe.

Ahahahahha, f'ken stupid TROLLS are butt-hurt!!!! Lame A$$e$

We talk about Ram having 385/850, but that is the 3500. At my local Ram dealership I see more 2500 trucks (like 50:1). The only 3500 trucks I see there are duallies. So in the 3/4 ton segment, Ram has 370/800. As the F250 will have 440/860, I wonder if Ram is going to do the higher output Cummins with Aisin for the 2500 in 2015. Also, I hope we see 900 lb-ft in the Cummins. I love competition! We can't help it if GM has given up.

Thank's for the reply! Just pointing out that cummims are capable of alot of thing's, don't get me wrong it's in alot of rig's and tractor's! Im mean all three truck's are good for pulling but doe's it really has more power? Once again don't get me wrong but saftey also is a big thing in rig's like these three big competitor's. Ram does know what there doing! Not going to say anything, but ram has been doing the right thing and still is.

Thank's for the reply! Just pointing out that cummims are capable of alot of thing's, don't get me wrong it's in alot of rig's and tractor's! Im mean all three truck's are good for pulling but doe's it really has more power? Once again don't get me wrong but saftey also is a big thing in rig's like these three big competitor's. Ram does know what there doing! Not going to say anything, but ram has been doing the right thing and still is.

@Dale Milner
Many of those diesels are for Agriculture,Earthmoving ,Trains etc and are built in England,India and now China. Not many are small diesels. Cummins has not had much success with small Automotive diesels Exception being the 5.9 it developed with Fiat

Fiat co-developed the 6BT? First I have heard of that!

Please ford finest supporters, don't let me down. I don't want to drive RAM 3500 to tow 30, 000lbs. I want to sit in Ford 350.
All1, Lou, Alex, anybody, please . I am begin you. You know your staff. Is there any Ford 350 configuratio to pull 30, 000lbs?
F150 has different payload with different leaf springs and frame gauge to handle roughly 3000lbs of payload and over 10000lbs of towing. This is twice as much as RAM 1500. There must be some ford 350 with at least same towing numbers like RAM 3500.
At least. I was hoping for like 45, 000lbs towing from Ford. That twisting frame is a feature I want to have as well. It'll save my shocks on very rough road. I am sure ford knows what they are doing.
Don't tell me, ford doesn't have anything. I don't believe in that.
After all that towing speech of yours, I expect F350 to handle 60, 000lbs. Twice as much as RAM 3500.
Don't let me down. Don't make me buy a RAM again.

@Zviera, I don't have any "staff," and I'm not sure what a "configuratio" is. I'm also unfamiliar with the number "30, 000." However, if the story you were telling were true, you'd consider the F450 with 10 lug wheels and a 31,200 lb towing capacity. But you are just a troll and you will never need anything tougher than a C/V Tradesman. So that's what I want you to buy. It suits you.

Thanks Ford for giving everyone a leg up on what you are doing. I will bet that Ram/Cummings will be the first truck out there to brak the 1,000 foot lb barrier. They have the best frame out there and everyone knows there is alot more in the Cummings motor.

Whenever someone says "everyone knows," that is a huge red flag for argumentum ad populum. When it comes to diesels, I also question the knowledge and credibility of someone who calls it a "Cummings."

I love them. My families farm has no fewer than 10 F-series trucks...11 Ecoboost 7700, now with 107,000 miles, 11 F-450 Crew 4x4 with 95,000 miles, an 08 F-350 Dually Diesel Crew 4x4, now with 179k. an 06 Crew F-450 Dually w/ 6.0 w/ 260k miles. Our 05 f-250 6.0 4X4 CREW Finally grenaded its Transmission w/ a tick under 300k. The body was beat up on it because that was our plow truck and salter and field mudder, etc etc so we junked that one. We also have an 11 crew F150 4x4 w/ 5.0, now with 73k miles. My personal 11 FX-4 Ecoboost has 75k now, hard towing miles. My 05 FX4 is Running strong with 170 on its original trans and dealer installed superchargered from new 5.4. We will be placing our order on two new 15's as soon as they become available, as to replace the 05 and 06. I cannot see us going to any other truck, since all of our Fords have been going strong with minimal fuss.

@papa jim
Don't get all worked up. I slightly misunderstood you, but I still think you're wrong. The powerstroke brand still has a good reputation overall even with the problems the 6.0 had. There's a reason they are gaining market share on G.M. and Ram. Obviously the powerstroke brand was never hurt all that bad and it's ridiculous to compare it to edsel. Guys that buy new 3/4 ton and larger trucks usually know about the changes in reliability/reputation from one engine to another, so I don't think a name is all that important here. Most truck guys know that ford has had their ups and downs (as I explained), and most truck guys are aware that the 6.7 looks to be a solid engine, regardless of what it's called. And most truck guys that know about the 6.0 problems also know that it was built by navistar. Even with the problems the 6.0 powerstroke had, a lot of people decided to go back to Ford. I know people that hated their 6.0 powerstroke but bought a 6.4 right after and currently own a 6.7. One of my best friends always drove chevys and knows about the 6.0 problems, but he bought a used one anyways because he liked it and got a good deal. A name shouldn't and doesn't mean much to a guy that's ready to buy a new 3/4 ton truck. If they know much at all they know the problems with the 6.0 powerstroke are no reason to stay away from a 6.7 powerstroke. The powerstroke name wasn't hurt any more than the ford name was. And judging by the sales, it never was hurt much.

@Alex
Nothing from F350? Zero? Nada?
I don't believe that. Ford 150 is in RAM 3500 ballpark I was told by All1.
You must be mistaken. I will wait for Lou and All1. They know better than you.
They must be digging through ford specs right now. I will give them few more hours. I count on them.
They never let ford towing down. They won't do that now.

@ Dale Milner and other Ram Guys
I don't see how Ram is going to get more power out of the 6.7L than what is has now. The marine 6.7L Cummins is sea water cooled and meets different EPA marine emissions not EPA hwy emissions that is why it makes more power http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waKIl48e12s.

440 / 860 is it?? C'mon. If Ford wanted to make a statement to the Ram, Chevy, GMC they should of came with 500/1000 to the table.

@Alex: Ford also said best in class mileage about the 6.2, which really sucks gas. It is the worst empty mileage. It got good mileage loaded, but it helps it needed a 4.3 gear, so it could stay in top gear. If you compared all gassers with 4.1s, they wouldn't get any better.

The 6.7 has been good on mileage, but tuning it up a notch, will it really suck fuel?

Also, my point was, since people may haul heavy, but not huge trailers, a mid sized diesel could be used. A 5 to 6 liter.

I wonder if they worked on the brakes any? The last hd shootout, Fords justwere slow stoppers, while GM duallys kicked but, and Ram 2500s.

You get an old out dated chassis, but hey, Ford will say it's best!

@Zviera, watch this video. Pay real close attention to the comments at 4:29
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I_BTKOTCFQ

Then watch this video of the 2015 F350 vs the Ram 3500
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jdbe8hQCTuo

Also, would you stop talking about Ram trucks? I really like Ram trucks, and I really don't want to associate them with you because I will start to hate them. Please become an advocate for the Tundra or the Chevy.

@TRX, I think most of us know Ford needs a new chassis and body style. I would love to see a 2nd diesel option added

I think Ram has done all they can to cool the 6.7L Cummins on the 2013 update "Another interesting feature on the Cummins diesel is a new active-intake airbox designed to minimize power-level drop-off in hot weather. The airbox has two potential intake sources: one from high inside the wheel wells where the diesel is less inclined to suck in lungsful of snow, standing water, and small children; and another more direct intake starting just above the bumper where it’s more likely to find the cooler, denser air it prefers to inhale. A two-way valve in the box referees the air source according to how hot and hard the underhood action gets." http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2013-ram-2500-3500-hd-pickup-photos-and-info-news

@Beebe,

Try taking a multi vitamin every day. It helps

Ummm it's a inline 6. Daaahh

Can anyone substantiate Robert Ryan's claims that Cummins co-dveloped the 5.9 with Fiat? This does not sound right to me.

@Alex
This powerstroke is also designed using the Lion diesels as it's basis. I read it is more or less an enlarged Lion diesel.

So this Powerstroke design is heavily dependent on European know how.

Yep I was aware of that Big Al, thanks. Lots of input from Dagenham and AVL. It's a great engine. The Land Rover 2.7 was the first diesel I drove, in which I thought it was better than the V8 petrol engine alternative in EVERY way. Acceleration was about the same as the 4.4 V8 Discovery. Fuel econ was about 10L/100 for the diesel, 17L/100 for the petrol. It used to be that the diesels were loud and slow, and fuel economy was the ONLY reason you would buy one.

@PUTC, "Additionally, as you might expect, the Ram HD 3500 will no longer hold the maximum tow rating crown at 30,000 pounds"

THAT'S IF,........ IF RAM DOESN'T UP THE TOWING ON THE CURRENT KING OF THE BEASTS!

ALL GUTS

ALL GLORY

CLASS LEADING RAM

I'm glad to see Ford one up the Ram. You can guarantee Ram will have an answer pretty soon! I still wonder why GM stuck with the 397/765 instead of uping the power to match Ford and Ram. If this power war keeps going maybe will see some factory twin turbos!

@zviera

Sorry, it's been a hectic morning to respond.

You still don't get that I am not like you and only biased to only one brand. Get this notion hat I am remotely like you out of your head because it is not true. I am not for just Ford only like you are for Ram only. If Ram does better or has a bigger rating than Ford in a certain segment then I will call it. I am not a fan boy troll like yourself so please squash this because you are embarrassing me thinking that I am anything like you.

If you had a 30,000lbs horse trailer(which you don't and you are just trolling) then you would have buy a Ram 3500 Regular Cab Tradesman 4x2 Dually with a 6.7L Cummins with a 4.10 axle to pull it. Only a Ford F-650/F-750 Medium duty in either a regular, super, or crew cab configuration with the same 6.7L Cummins is rated to tow that much. You cannot go with a Ram Dually Chassis cab 4500 or 5500 because none of those are rated to tow 30,000lbs which is kind of odd since the Regular cab 3500 dually is. Pretty much the Ram 3500 Dually Regular cab Tradesman is your only option if you want to stick with a light duty class 3 truck.

I would recommend stepping up to a medium duty truck if you were going to be pulling that kind of weight more often. That 30,000lb horse trailer you (supposedly) got there is over 3 times the weight of the Ram 3500 regular cab dually and it would feel like the trailer would be pushing you around and not you pulling the trailer. Also, if you go medium duty then it opens up a wide array of truck makes like Peterbilt. A medium duty will also make for a much more pleasurable towing experience and you can also get them in a crew cab to have more room for passengers. My recommendation would be a crew cab Peterbilt 335 like this one ( http://www.lonestarhaulers.com/Peterbilt_335_GT.html ), but that is my biased recommendation because I am biased to Peterbilt for obvious reasons.

So there you have it, my honest opinion on the matter. For the safety of others on the road, hope you get some more towing experience behind your belt before you try to tackle this fictional 30,000lbs trailer you have. Towing that 3,000lb trailer you have with your tow vehicle is heavier than what you are towing or even towing something a few thousand pounds heavier than your tow vehicle is nothing like towing something that is over twice the weight of your tow vehicle. It is a frightening experience for the inexperienced and you could get someone killed if you are not careful or know what you are doing regardless of truck brand.

@All1
I have been told by you, that you don't need to buy RAM 2500 to pull the weight you need and F150 is good enough and less expensive than RAM 2500. Why would I go with Ford 650 or Ford 750, if I can go with RAM 3500 which is good enough for 30, 000lbs ? Did you really BS me last time because it happened that F150 has more payload and towing capacity than RAM 1500? This exactly same point of view doesn't apply , because Ford 350 is in the RAM 1500 shoes suddenly ?
You are hypocrite All1.
My point is, doesn't matter what truck you have . Everybody needs different payload and different towing capacity and everybody can buy a truck to meet their needs. WGaS about the f150 towing.
I am going with RAM 3500.

A couple of thoughts. The F-450 is not in the same class as a 3500 Dodge or GM. Tell us the tow/haul numbers for the F-350. Second, a Duramax is capable of way more than 440hp with a tune. GM engineers said they are stretched thin to balance fuel economy AND power. Not that they can't make more power. Third, maybe the valves won't break and the turbo won't grenade on the 2015 Powerstrokes.

So Chevy can't get the same power and torque as the Power Stroke with the same level of efficiency? Well congrats to Ford for being top of the class in both! Well I think GM can and is waiting to introduce an all-new Duramax engine that will be constructed very similarly to the Power Stroke, with reverse flow heads and a CGI block.

OK, this must stop. All I am seeing are posts like, "Guts, Glory, RAM" or "Built Ford Tough"....
Ram and Ford make excellent trucks... drive and buy the one that makes the most sense to you. There is simply no need to belittle someone because they did not buy a truck from your favorite manufacturer.
All of that being said, back to the article. The numbers from the 6.7 powerstroke are very impressive. I would love to see this motor in an Expedition! One can dream....

@Alex,
Sure did. I cannot post links at the moment, but the Fiat 5.9 is the " Tector"engine in the IVECO Eurocargo. CNH has a 6.7 litre version Fiat at one stage built blocks for Cummins.
In the 1990's Fiat and Cummins were part of the European Advanced Engine consortium. The 5.9 was jointly developed by them. Differences in engines is electronics.

@Alex, the Fiat 5.9 and the Cummins ISB are "Blood Brothers"
https://www.automotiveworld.com/analysis/commercial-vehicles/74149-fiat-chrysler-alliance-could-threaten-cummins-mid-range-engine-business/

" These are engines developed during the late 1990s under the EEA (European Engine Alliance) joint venture between Fiat and Cummins. The first Tector engines were virtually identical to their Cummins ISB counterparts, differing only in their fuel system electronic controls."

@zviera

I am not telling you to buy an F-650/F-750. I was just telling you that those were the only Ford trucks that were rated to pull that. If you actually do some reading instead of just trying to pick something that I said to jump me on, you would have noticed I said "Pretty much the Ram 3500 Dually Regular cab Tradesman is your only option if you want to stick with a light duty class 3 truck". So, just like how I don't want a 3/4 ad you don't want a medium duty for this fairy tale trailer of yours. I told you point blank that the only truck in the light duty range that is rated to tow the weight of this Cinderella trailer, and are willing to drive is a Ram 3500 Tradesman Regular cab 4x2 dually.

Damn man, get those panties out of a wad. You are just froggy at the chance of jumping to conclusions and wanting to attack people.

The rest of my response of my recommendation of you getting a medium duty stems for A) your inexperience with towing heavy, B) the fact that towing 30,000lbs with a medium duty that weighs 21,000lbs is A LOT safer that towing 30,000lbs with something that is less than 10,000lbs, C) the weight I pull is real and this 30,000lbs trailer of your comes from fairy tale land., and D) you asked for my towing advice. I on the other hand never asked for your advice.

I am pulling 9,500lbs on occasion(as in about twice a year) with a 5,900lbs truck while you are stating I should use a 6,440lbs 3/4 ton. I tell you I don't need or want a 3/4 ton because I don't pull that kind of weight that often and the difference in their ratings are not that different for the small amount that I tow. With your fictional 30,000lb horse trailer on the other hand, there is a BIG difference in pulling that much with a medium duty 21,000lbs truck and a less than 10,000lb truck. But hey, go ahead if you want do it with a Ram 3500 Regular Cab Dually if you want. You asked for my towing advice and I gave it. Don't be pissed if it is not what you want to hear. If so, then don't ask me for my advice anymore.

And please for the love all all things Holy, take what ever is stuck up your a$$, out already. I mean, I know you are a blind fan boy and all, but damn you need to calm down. Have a beer and rub one out will ya.

@All1
So how is that new light Aluminum F150 going to handle that weight
You telling me it's not safe now? Oh, I know. It's ford. . You hypocrite.
I will buy what ever I want and pull what ever I want. You can kiss my oz. WGaS about F150 payload.


@Zviera, I know your little brain doesn't really do a lot, but you need to learn that the sheet metal doesn't do ANY of the lifting. Only the frame does. Since the aluminum sheet metal is LIGHTER than steel, it frees up some of the load capability toward payload. You're such a stupid little boy. They'd actually sell more Rams if you just shut your mouth.

@zviera

I don't know how it will handle the weight. I don't own one and have never seen one yet. If my judgement tells me that it won't handle the weight I need it to safely then I will have to go with another truck or be forced to step up to a bigger truck the next time I am in the market,

Again, you are acting like this is a Ford versus Ram debate when it is not. Like I have said multiple times, I am not a Ford only fan boy like you. When I shop for a truck, I find one that fits my needs no matter the brand. I don't buy a truck just because of the name or badge. I buy it for it's capability and what I want out of a truck. Yes, I believe Ford makes the best half ton for my needs which is not the same as you thinking Ram makes the best one for your "Ram only wants" though it doesn't have enough payload for your needs. Get this thinking that I am a Ford only fanboy like you are a Ram only fanboy out of your head. Hell, I would consider a Ram 2500 just as I would either GM 2500s and a F250 if I were in the market for a 3/4. I am unbiased towards neither one and it would come down to which serves my needs/wants the best, not depending on what emblem is on the hood like you would do.

@Robert Ryan, thanks for the info!

@zviera

This how YOU shop for a truck.

Step 1) Go directly to the RAM dealership without doing any research.

Step 2) Buy a Ram without even knowing the capabilities of said truck to know if it fits your needs because you believe Ram knows what best for you.

Step 3) Drive off with Ram and overload the truck once you get home because you don't even know what the specs or capabilities are on the truck.


This is how I buy a truck.....

Step 1) Write down my requirements and expectations I want/need out of a truck.

Step 2) Get on the internet to find what trucks and configurations meet my requirements and make a list.

Step 3) Get on the internet to try to find out as much information and reviews available on each truck on said list.

Step 4) Go out and test drive each truck.

Step 5) Narrow the choices down to 1 truck depending on my research, preferences, and multiple test drives. (this usually takes a week or more)

Step 6) Once the truck is narrowed down, then make a list of the exact options that I want and the best configuration to fit my needs.

Step 7) Go to the dealer and place an order for the truck that meets my exact requirements and wants.

Step 8) Once the truck comes in then go pick it up. You can rest assure that you not only know it's specifications and capabilities, but they they meet your needs.

Zviera and his new passive/aggressive stance is pathetic.

@All1 - it is funny to see zorro asking for our advise since he was all butt hurt when we offered it before. It is also funny to see him all of a sudden be concerned about getting a truck that is actually rated to tow the expected load. The poor misguided fellow had no problem overloading his truck before....... he now is concerned about ratings.

Maybe he has finally clued in and has seen the light?

I can see him needing a 30K trailer to carry the horse sh!t he has been dispensing.

This link is how Zviera appears to the rest of us:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxmc9_bovsg

@All1
"When I shop for a truck, I find one that fits my needs no matter the brand. I don't buy a truck just because of the name or badge. I buy it for it's capability and what I want out of a truck."

Really? This is exactly what I did. So why the F do you make fun of people, who doesn't need to tow and load what you do with your F150 and RAM 1500 Ecodiesel, or my RAM 1500 Laramie is good enough for them? It handles perfectly and safely everything I needed .

Every time any RAM 1500 topic, you bring the payload issue with fella of yours Lou. Why the F are doing that ?
This truck works perfectly for me and "fits my needs" and needs of many thousands customers.
Would you stop using your meter for every other customer and their needs?
@Alex
I am not going to even to answer you, because you have no idea what you are talking about. You just presented your brain in here.
All1 can explain you his last post.

@zviera - "This truck works perfectly for me and "fits my needs" and needs of many thousands customers."

dude, you did not buy a truck that fits your "needs". You bought a truck that fits your "wants".

We went over all of this before - your Ram 1500 does not fit your needs because it isn't capable of carrying the loads you want it to.

Your bike, trailer, and family on board are over its capacity.

You need a different truck but purchased the wrong one.

That is why you are trolling all butt hurt.

You do not or will not admit you have the wrong truck for your wants.

On the subject of needs, Maslow would say that you are still stuck at the bottom of the pyramid.

Alex might be nice enough to explain it to you.

@zviera - "This truck works perfectly for me and "fits my needs" and needs of many thousands customers."

dude, you did not buy a truck that fits your "needs". You bought a truck that fits your "wants".

We went over all of this before - your Ram 1500 does not fit your needs because it isn't capable of carrying the loads you want it to.

Your bike, trailer, and family on board are over its capacity.

You need a different truck but purchased the wrong one.

That is why you are trolling all butt hurt.

You do not or will not admit you have the wrong truck for your wants.

On the subject of needs, Maslow would say that you are still stuck at the bottom of the pyramid.

Alex might be nice enough to explain it to you.

@Lou

Damn it, you beat me to it.



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