Ram Will Offer Pentastar V-6 in Top Trim Levels

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In response to the popularity of its efficient and powerful Pentastar V-6 engine and TorqueFlite 8 transmission, Ram has decided to make the entry- and mid-level powertrain available in higher trim levels as well.

"We have seen Ram 1500 V-6 gasoline sales increase steadily over the past 14 months. It started with the launch of our 3.6-liter Pentastar with leading 25 mpg fuel economy and 305 horsepower. Customers actually lift the hood on dealer lots because they believe the engine is a V-8 rather than a V-6 [after a test drive]. The popularity of our V-6/eight-speed combination has been so great, we've started offering it in higher trim levels beginning this month," said Bob Hegbloom, director of the Ram truck brand.

This means that Laramie model, listed on Ram's build-a-truck web page for $41,395 (including destination), will now be offered with a $1,650 discount (below the 5.7-liter V-8-equipped Laramie) for those opting for the Pentastar gas engine, which includes the 845RE eight-speed transmission.

We should note that this is option is so new the Ram website doesn't even have the option, so check with your local dealership for more details.

Cars.com photo by Matt Avery (top); manufacturer image (below)

 

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Comments

@alex

The Gen 5 GM 4.3 is an entirely new design--please don't confuse this in any way with the SBC six cylinder engine.

The cubic inch displacement is irrelevant. It has an all-alloy block and heads, a first for a GM pushrod six cylinder.

The multi-bolt main bearing caps are all new for a pushrod GM six, just like the direct injection, VVT and variable displacement.

Not saying it's the same engine, (my LT1 comment should have implied that). Just pointing out that the bore and stroke of the 4.3 are identical to the 350. So an LT1 350 would be interesting (more interesting than the 5.3 anyway).

In other words, I think it would have the familiar characteristics that we all liked about the 350, with the modern advantages, but I suppose the 6.2 fulfills that need, as it just surpasses the 350's 4'' bore, and has a slightly longer stroke. It has that mix of low-end, mid-range, and upper rpm performance with reasonable fuel economy. GM just needs to put it in the Camaro and SS/Commodore.

@RoadWhale
I made my post before I saw your follow-up response. In any case, it's unclear if the popularity of the EcoBoost reflects buyers' demand for increased fuel efficiency or because the engine produces V8-levels of horsepower and torque. Yes, EPA figures indicate V6-like MPG, but real-world results have been lower, a fact widely disseminated. That tells me consumers are more attracted by its power than its efficiency.

@ALL1
1. Many people that I know buy a vehicle based on how much money available to them. People do buy a brand that they will feel comfortable over a brand they aren't comfortable with.

Many people just don't go out and buy a half ton pickup, I bet many initially start out with a short list of vehicle types, that can fulfill the role they expect from a vehicle. Pickups, as even in my case end up being purchased because of pricing vs requirement.

In my case a decent SUV, like a diesel 3 litre V6 Land Rover Discovery was actually my first choice.

2. Fiat Ram have no option but to push these Pentastars and Ecodiesels. They have CAFE to contend with. I think some here only look at the days gone by with pickups to judge the future. The pickup manufacturers have to contend with meeting stricter regulatory requirements.

3. Diesel you will find will start to fill a void which will start to impact pickup manufacturers producing vehicles to meet CAFE and yet able to move a larger vehicle efficiently. As great and good as these V6 Pentastar engines are meant to be, it will not come close to a Ecodiesel for efficiency.

Diesel is in it's infancy in the US. I say this because prior to the availability of these newer Euro diesels the US had very little to gauge or compare these against.

I find it very odd that the pro gasoline set just can see the advantages of diesel. But once you purchase a diesel many will move over to diesel.

Diesel is loved for the very same reason people like V8s and even your beloved EcoBoost. Torque is what makes a desiel experience addictive. Mix that with the economy of a four and you have a winner.

Many who blog on PUTC are what I call V8 fanatics. They don't represent a poofteenth of the pickup fraternity in the US. So most discussion on this site is heavily biased towards a US V8 (or EcoBoost) gasoline pickup.

We've been where the US is now considering the view of diesel. There will always be V8s, but they have already started dwindling a far greater rate in the US than most realize.

How many EcoBoosts are sold. I bet prior to the EcoBoost there were people just like you regarding the superiority of a V8 and laughed at Ford wanting to sell the EcoBoost.

I can imagine the comments targeting Ford's future V6 turbo pickup. Diesel is no different and you appear to be like the V8 boys with your commentary. Not visionary at all. The US pickup truck market will change dramatically over the next several years and I think you'll be surprised at the only engine to produce a cheap(er) pickup will have a diesel in it.

Downsizing is great for FE and today V6's have the power of yesterday V8's. The Pentastar RAM has received a much imrpoved towing capacity, so it's no wonder they are selling more of those engines in the 1500.

@Big AL

I guess you missed where I said ....

"Also, just in case you go off into an FE is better in a diesel rant. I am not asking about if a gaser or diesel is better in FE or any other way. I am just curious as to why the OCD to bring them up and tell people they need them so much?"

It's fine. You don't have to answer my question. You did exactly what I thought you would which is type out long drawn out book that does everything but answer the question. That is why I said what I said above. My thinking is that since you fancy yourself as one who knows more than the common man, then everyone should be driving a diesel since you are driving one. After all, a man of your superior intellect knows what is best for everyone else and people are stupid if the don't concede. But that is just what I take from what I have seen and could be wrong. Like I said, it is fine. You don't have to answer my question and I already figured you wouldn't. I was just curious is all.

@Alex

So you like the Gen 5 architecture, but because the 5.3 is 400 cc short of the old SBC 350 you aren't that impressed.

Maybe the 6.2 is the right choice for you.

Because it has multi-displacement capability, you get the economy of a smaller engine with the power-on-tap of a larger one.

Or, is the 6.2 engine 500 cc too big?

@WXman - The Ram trucks are built to work.

Which ones?

The Ram Ecodiesel??

Nope - it isn't rated for much more than 1200 lb.

You add every option and it drops to 490 lb.

Most of the 1500 Ram trucks do not have tow or haul capacity comparable to Ford or GMC.

What are the ratings for the coil spring 2500's?

The Cummins 3500 can claim max tow numbers but only in limited configurations.

The Ram 1500 won the PUTC under 30K shootout but it had the 5.7 not the 3.6.

The F150 won the Best Work Truck shootout with the 3.7 V6.

Buy what ever makes you happy. Spare the rest of us the rhetoric.

good...

"@WXman - The Ram trucks are built to work.

Which ones?

The Ram Ecodiesel??

Nope - it isn't rated for much more than 1200 lb.

You add every option and it drops to 490 lb.

Most of the 1500 Ram trucks do not have tow or haul capacity comparable to Ford or GMC.

What are the ratings for the coil spring 2500's?

The Cummins 3500 can claim max tow numbers but only in limited configurations.

The Ram 1500 won the PUTC under 30K shootout but it had the 5.7 not the 3.6.

The F150 won the Best Work Truck shootout with the 3.7 V6.

Buy what ever makes you happy. Spare the rest of us the rhetoric.


Posted by: Lou_BC | Mar 21, 2014 9:15:13 PM

REALLY!

RAM eco diesel regular cab 8' bed 9,200 max tow, 1,580 payload.

WHAT WORK TRUCK GETS ALL THE BELLS AND WHISTLES?

I have been driving work trucks for 11 years. Mine did not even have a C.D. player.

Your argument is null and void. My bosses give me the cheapest truck they can buy with no options NOT even power windows. So please get a clue.

" Spare the rest of us the rhetoric."

P.S. Ford or Chevy have NOTHING that has this capability and the MPG

@ LouBC, "You add every option and it drops to 490 lb"

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!

PAYLOAD IS 881 WITH EVERY OPTION ECO DIESEL.

http://www.ramtrucks.com/en/towing_guide/tow_chart/

I KNOW YOU ARE THE BIGGEST FORD FAN BOI, BUT YOU ARE FULL OF $#!^!!

@Papa Jim, no I quite like the 6.2. 5.3 not so much (though the new one is much better). I was more thinking that they should offer the 5.7 instead of the 5.3 (if they want to keep the 6.2 as a premium engine). But no, the 6.2 LT1 is pretty sweet. I can't believe they don't offer it in the regular Suburban, Tahoe, SS, and Camaro.

@HEMI V8 - let me clarify - the crewcab truck has a 1200 (approx.) cargo capacity.
If you read the PUTC shootout, they weighed the Ecodiesel 1500 and subtracted that weight from the GVW. That number equalled 490 lb.

A F150 4x2 with max cargo package, 7 lug wheels and LT tires with 5.0 V8 is 3113lb (1415 kg) or same truck EB 3.5 is 3091 lb (1405 kg).

A Supercrew 4x4 with max cargo, 7 lug wheels and LT tires with 5.0V8 is 2325 lb (1057kg) EB 3.5 is 2306 (1048 kg).

That is interesting as to what your bosses give you, I've noticed that as you move up the chain of command, one's vehicles get better.

There is a message in there somewhere for you.

Lou is not just biggest ford fanboy ,but best suckr.

@HemiV8 - don't brag up that ecodiesel too much.

"RAM eco diesel regular cab 8' bed 9,200 max tow, 1,580 payload" ..................

Wow.............

Base model................

Regular cab........................

The spec sheet on my F150 Supercrew 6.5 box 4x4 with all the bells and whistles available on the XLT (minus sunroof and satnav) is rated for 1540 lb and 9,600 lb towing.

So...................

I would have to downgrade............

to a reg cab Ram 1500 ecodiesel.....................

to get the same capacity as my "old" F150.

Talk about a quantum leap forward.

You missed your calling as a salesman.

where do I sign up?

ROTFLMFAO


ohhh look.......... one the subject of sucking.......................

Yahoo has come up for air.

@Luke in CO: A valid argument and exactly the one I expected you to return. However, if they wanted V8 power, why did they buy the turbo V6? Could it be that the EcoBoost actually DOES give better gas mileage... when unloaded? Maybe these people want the power to tow and all, but don't expect to tow or load down more than a few times a year--maybe only 4 or 5 times a year. They don't need that big V8 gas-hog for everyday driving but want that V8 power for camping trips, hmmm?

They're buying the EcoBoost for its economy first, and power second.

@LOUBC,

AND BOTH FORDS YOU LISTED DON'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO THE MPG OF THE RAM ECO DIESEL.

SEE IF YOU CAN FIGURE THIS RIDDLE OUT.

Ford or Chevy have NOTHING that has the capability and the MPG of the Ram Eco Diesel. :(((

YOU MISSED YOUR CALLING OF BEING A CANADIAN CRACK SMOKING POLITICIAN. ISN'T HIS NAME FORD. LMAO

@roadwhale

If you have to buy an up-market trim to get the EB engine, where's the economy in that? I occasionally see EB's in XLT crews, but almost never in Supercab or Reg cab Fords. It's ususally on the trucks that sell around 40k and up.

You gotta save a lot of gas to equal what it costs to go up trim.

I can't afford a new truck every year! This year I am planning on a new motorcycle, don't have the money for both! These new models are making it hard for me! I would ratter wait for the 2015 F-150 before I jump in for the 2014 Ram 1500 turbo-diesel.
I live in a small town where everybody owns 4x4 pickups and I have to own the best, the top of the line to impress everybody and I understand if I was the first to own that Ram1500 turbo-diesel I would be famous!
My 2013 F-150 FX4 doesn't impress anybody cause everybody else owns a F-150.
I am going to wait for the 2015 F-150

@ALL1
What does 'OCD' mean?

I own a 1500 with the V6 Pentastar. I also live in Texas where running AC and driving 80 MPH is a requirement. I've had a 16-foot trailer stacked with wood from the saw mill and had zero issues with power. This engine is the real deal. This isn't some wimpy v6. The combination of the 8 speed transmission and this engine is amazing. I had a hemi several years back and there isn't anything missing from this engine/tranny combination (other than additional hauling power). Jim, in particular, you need to actually drive one instead of spouting off preconceived notions of what this engine can and cannot do.

@wbrisett
A sixteen foot trailer stacked with wood?

How many super feet or cubic metres? What type of wood, ie, balsa, oregon, etc?

@wbriset

Try taking that six cylinder RAM and trailer full of cargo to the DallasFtWorth area and check it out on boulevards in stop/go traffic (with AC on full blast) and merging onto interstate highways at full throttle.

Let us know how it goes.

The Pentastar owes a LOT of its heritage to the years when Daimler owned Chrysler.

I have lots of seat-time in Mercedes ML 350s, and E350s. These are VERY similar engines that really perform well, but the vehicles are WAY lighter than the above mentioned rig that you describe on the blacktop going 80 with the cruise on.

@Big Al

Obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) is an anxiety disorder in which people have unwanted and repeated thoughts, feelings, ideas, sensations (obsessions), or behaviors that make them feel driven to do something (compulsions).

We usually use it in a joking manner in the US when someone can't help but do something over and over again regardless of what it is or if they want to or not.

@Lou
@Yahoo - your wife seems to think so.
My wife confirmed that, as you claimed. I asked her and she said yes. I am still best focker , if you ask your wife. You can keep the title best suckr.

@Papa Jim: "If you have to buy an up-market trim to get the EB engine, where's the economy in that?" Um... what? That doesn't make sense. What you think you see on the roads in your tiny neck of the woods doesn't represent a significant percentage of Americans, only those who live near you.

I very clearly stated that with more than half of Ford's F-150 sales equipped with V6s (including but not exclusive to the EcoBoost), it is quite obvious that buyers don't all want big V8s under the hood, yet once you get above a certain trim level, you simply can't GET a V6 under the hood. Why?

What Ford is saying with such a policy is that 'all people who want luxury trim also want big engines.' RAM is saying, "Hey, not everybody who wants luxury wants a V8 under the hood!" Even GM is saying, "Wow! Those V6s are doing better than we thought!"

The point? Why should a buyer be stuck with the biggest engines if they're simply not going to use the power? Everybody likes luxury, but that doesn't mean they don't like economy as well.

@ALL1
So your OCD is a little more complex than mine.

You have Eco Boost and a gear ratio fetish.

@hemiv8- any vehicle can get better mpg when it can't carry anything. You're cherry picking data. If you want mpg then you have to sacrifice capacity...... at least with a Ram 1500 you do.

@roadwhale

Tiny neck of the woods? I live in the third largest state by population.

You can just search Cars.com for the XLTs and XLs and you will not find many with the EB. It's all I said.

You said I give you hell--I just told the truth and you think it's hell.

@Big Al

"So your OCD is a little more complex than mine.
You have Eco Boost and a gear ratio fetish."

Uhm no. I do not tell people that they need an Ecoboost all the time like you do with diesels. In fact I have even told people that a 3.5L Ecoboost may not be for them if they would rather have power to get better fuel economy and do not tow much weight. I have even told people that other engines or even brands would be better for their needs or wants. I will debate power and performance numbers, but I will never say everyone needs to drive an Ecoboost like you tend to do with diesels. I have even brought out multiple negative aspects of an Ecoboost while it would probably take an act of God for you to say something bad about a diesel. I love my Ecoboost for my needs, but that does not mean I think it is the best for everyone elses needs.

On the gear thing, I would think you would know better being the engineer you say you are. The reason why trucks have so many gear ratio options is to best optimize performance and fuel economy to what is needed. If you need to tow heavy then you would get a shorter gear ratio to optimize the truck for towing performance while sacrificing fuel economy. If towing performance is not that important then a taller gear would be better to achieve greater fuel economy numbers. Since are referring to what I said to Roadwhale in another blog, a taller gear would be better for what he was looking for since his wants/needs are for more fuel economy over towing performance. I would think someone as smart as yourself would have known that.

So no, I don't believe my OCD is more complex. It is actually quite simple. Match the right truck/engine/gear with the needs of said truck along with the wants of the owner. Your OCD of "everyone should be driving diesels because I know what's best for them even though I don't know their needs or have ZERO experience with the diesels in the full size trucks I say they need" is a bit more complex than mine.

@hemiv8- any vehicle can get better mpg when it can't carry anything. You're cherry picking data. If you want mpg then you have to sacrifice capacity...... at least with a Ram 1500 you do.


Posted by: Lou_BC | Mar 22, 2014 4:05:35 PM

Jesus Lou, Keep your gutless pig 5.4 and don't worry about Rams Eco diesel. You can think your personal campaign against it is going to change people from buying it, your dead wrong. They have already started pre ordering them. Save yourself Lou. lol Let the world buy what they choose.
P.S. How much does your wife weigh? lol

@PapaJim: "You said I give you hell--I just told the truth and you think it's hell."

Please show me where _I_ aid you give me hell. All I see here are attacks on me because you simply cannot refute my argument that over 50% of all F-150 sales in 2013 carried V6s on board nor that you simply cannot GET a V6 on the higher trim levels.

For that matter, I have a question for Ford: Why ELEVEN different trim levels? That many different trims is no better than building a la Carté per order as far as the assembly line is concerned, so why not just let us order our trucks a la Carté?

@HEMI V8 - if my 5.4 is as gutless as you say, why can it outperform a base model regular cab Ecodiesl???

Ram wants to sell people cars that look like pickups.

Just like trxtom's moniker "someday Ford drivers will want a Dodge car"...........

yup........... they can buy a Ram 1500 as the family car.

@roadwhale

...just search Cars.com for the XLTs and XLs and you will not find many with the EB 3.5 (unless you go to the uplevel trims like King Ranch, Platinum, Lariat, etc.)

It's all I said. Did you try it yet?

"@HEMI V8 - if my 5.4 is as gutless as you say, why can it outperform a base model regular cab Ecodiesl???

Ram wants to sell people cars that look like pickups.

Just like trxtom's moniker "someday Ford drivers will want a Dodge car"...........

yup........... they can buy a Ram 1500 as the family car."

Posted by: Lou_BC | Mar 23, 2014 1:53:29 PM

SORRY! I meant your 5.4 is GUTLESS compared to my 5.7

Can you show me a CAR that can tow 9,200lbs or haul 1,580lbs?

P.S Every work truck I have had or seen in 11 years in the A/C trade has been a 250 or 350,450. 1500 or 150 is a personnel truck. Home owner, life style. 250 or 2500 is a commercial truck. (work truck)

Hemiv6 - once again you leave information out and pick and chose data.

Okay.... if we are talking worktrucks, most big companies are looking at durability data.

The company my brother works for hasn't purchased a Ram pickup since then. Let's put it this way, the last time my brother drove one it was still called a Dodge.

@Lou
The company your brother works for doesn't represent NA market.

Percentage , by brand , of total pickups sold in the past 25 years , that are still on the road today.

RAM 79%
CHEVY 72%
GMC 72%
FORD 66%

http://www.ramtruck.ca/en_dir/pdf/brochures/1500.pdf

The new EcoDiesel V6 features Best-in-Class fuel economy as low as 10.2 L/100 km (23.06 mpg US ) city and
7.1 L/100 km (33.12 mpg US) highway

http://www.ramtruck.ca/en/1500/overview

The RAM March numbers will spin your head again.

@ zviera,

RAM 79%
CHEVY 72%
GMC 72%
FORD 66%

Strange how this is exactly the sales order. Ford 1st in sales 1st to the junk yard. And so on.

Wow - since when does registration data equate to reliability?

Chevy used that same excuse in the USA.

They said the same crap as Ram........

longest lasting...................... with itty bitty print saying based on registration data.

Notice the little one [1] in brackets after "Canada’s longest-lasting"

If you scroll all the way to the bottow of the PDF, this is what it says;

"DISCLAIMERS: [1]Based on longevity of entire Ram large pickup segment compared to all competitive large pickups on the road since 1988. Longevity based on R.L. Polk Canada, Inc.
Canadian Vehicles in Operation data as of July 1 for model years 1988–2012 for all large pickups sold and available in Canada over the last 25 years."

What a pill of BS.

Reminds me of the old joke - what is the difference between a cowboy and a yahoo?

A cowboy has the bullshit on the outside of his boots.

@ Lou
There is nothing you can do. It's a fact. One criteria for all trucks. You have a chance to bring a different source, if you have any.

@yahoo - okay, I'll play.
HERE are JD Power's ratings for 2013:
Problems per 100 vehicles:

Ram - 165/100

Chevy - 132/100

GMC - 133/100

Ford - 140/100

If one applies that to the past 25 years, this is the number of repairs each brand will need to keep it on the road:

Repairs per vehicle:

Ram - 41.25

Ford - 35

GMC - 33

Chevy - 33

I can see why Dodge pickup owners want to keep them on the road since they are the ones spending the most money to keep them running.

REALLY, "I can see why Dodge pickup owners want to keep them on the road since they are the ones spending the most money to keep them running."


Posted by: Lou_BC | Mar 24, 2014 10:58:01 PM

Sure people are going to drop more money to keep it on the road. That makes a lot of sense. Wrong! if i am constantly dumping money than i dump the truck. You don't make any sense. The air must be really thin up there AAAAA!

@HEMI V8 - once again, that problem with comprehension.

To keep a truck on the road for 25 years based on JD Power means the Ram will require 6 more repairs than a Ford and 8 more than a Chevy.

The point?????????

Yahoo's comment is based on Ram Canada PR. Chevy uses the same song and dance. They say that Chevy is more durable based on USA registration data.

Just because it is registered does not make it durable.

Longest lasting???????????

Lame PR being parroted by clowns.


@Lou
Ford doesn't have any song and dance. Are you lost?

Got really close to buying the 2014 Ram 1500 with the Pentastar V6, that was until the salesman cranked it over and I could here it clattering on start up. 37 miles on the odometer, and I was standing outside next to a 3.0 diesel Longhorn idling and was about 30 feet or so away from the Pentastar Truck.

I really like the truck and thought the power was fine for my needs, interior was great, but it just took me back to the reason why I stopped buying Chrysler products 20 years ago. I was afraid to buy it and I see there are a number of pentastar owners online with the same clatter.

Info is a little dated from the first posting, Keep in mind, there are alot of road tests which have been done since this article was originally published and the 3.6L Pentastar is awesome. beats the ECOboost in hill trailer pulls without issue, Chevy cant keep up. Even if Chrysler/Fiat put the 3.6 for CAFE standards, its wooping but, and with modern technology, a 3.6L with 3.55 REAR and 8spd is more powerful than a Old chevy with a 350 with 3.63 rear end and a tow package. I use to own one, and i can attest. Put the RAM to the test, you wont be sorry.



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