Not again!!

So chevy try's to do all they can to avoid a recall.....Ram just comes out says hey we fucked up we will fix it sorry we are just looking out for our customers....

Brakes are more important than flashing lights. Their quality control is crap.

quality control is exactly how they found the problem, no incidents have been reported

quality control is exactly how they found the problem, no incidents have been reported

Posted by: rich | Mar 1, 2014 10:24:38 AM

So, you are saying that once every 4.5 months QC does their job? How can something so important be missed from July 01 until Nov. 15? If this were the Ram line, or Ford, GM full size line 250,000-600,000 pickups would have made it through.

2nd recall on the Fiat-Ram Promaster in less than a month.

Re: Posted by: Dodgeguy65 | Mar 1, 2014 8:53:19 AM

So cursing is now allowed on the site. Nice job, Mark Williams! Just shut the comments down until you can get a new system in place!

The Transit and Sprinter are the way to go.

If while the engine is running you put your foot on the brake hard and it goes down you have a problem, if you brake fluid level is low you have a problem.
The early Sprinter diesel version was a great unit.
Just a thought!

Fix it again Tony. Never trust Fiat and Euros.

Just what a business needs, going out of service every 2 weeks for recalls.

I was talking to a contractor that drives one, he has the 1500 with the V6 and he told me he gets 11 MPG, he loves the snow traction the front wheel drive gets.
What bothers me is there's no head on crash protection

@Tom#3
What do other vehicles offer for head on crash protection?

I haven't heard of that safety feature yet.

I do know there is some talk going around about standardising side impact regulations.

Do you have a link, I'm interested in reading about head on crash protection regulation or system.

11mpg, that sounds a little bit odd, he should take it back to the dealer and have them put the computer on it.

I saw one of these yesterday on the road. We stood at red light next to each other and I gotta say it looks cool. I doesn't look weird and ugly in person, it looks very confident, massive. It doesn't like it will tip over on its side with a gust of wind, ie Transit or Sprinter. Driver sits higher in it then in traditional American van, looks very comfortable. I liked it.

Well being a son of a quality control manager. that worked for the manufacture of all most all of the break calipers on almost all dodge , ford , gm , Toyota , and many other car company including in eroupe and japan. This issue should have been caught before any cars or trucks left the plant. It is also up to the employee's to check there own work if they take pride in it. and report that a tool might have caused this type of quality issue. when safety is conserned.

@DeverMike/Paul/Tom Lemon/Greg Baird/TRX4Tom/Dave/Hemi V8/Tom Terrific/sandman 4x4/lautenslager/zveria/Bob/US Truck Driver/Glenn/Jason/Hemi Rampage/smartest truck guy/Maxx/SuperDuty37/Ken/Ron/johnny doe/jim/ALL1/Frank/Idahoe Joe/The Guy/AD/Casey/papa jim/Young Guy/BeeBe/Steve/Chris/The truck guy/Alex/Mr Chow/Yessir/All Americans or whoever you want to call yourself.

Quit the crap, really.

It's getting long in the tooth.

You want to debate, but it has to be on your terms.

Learn to debate with good information, then we might be able to have a decent debate.

Opinions are good, but if they are only your view to support the UAW, then how good are they. Look at what you guys have done to Detroit.

Terror tactics (union tactics) don't work on me.

If PUTC wants the UAW or whatever to control this site I suppose it's their decision.

It's not kids like I've been told by PUTC.

They don't seem to care. So this will go on.

@Gregory J.
Actually seeing a Ducato Van on the street, is very different from the photos. Your Promaster version still only has the somewhat anaemic gas engine. Generally quite reliable in operations and the choice of a a Class C base in Europe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdrP9J19BoM LMAO!

This has nothing to do with trucks, other than camping.

Here's what it's like where I live. The snakes can become aggressive and eat crocodiles.

Intriguing.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26413101

I wanna see February sale numbers. I think that GM and Ford will plummet and RAM will gain strong again.

Zviera, you must be really optimistic, but Ford has been outselling Ram Trucks about 2:1. I do expect a slight decline in F-series because of the 2015 (F150 and Super Duty) announcements, which are not yet available so people will be holding out for them. Even the January sales reflected the 2015 news, and sales dropped only 0.7%. Sales are not going to "plummet" though. Ram Trucks has just released the EcoDiesel in the last week, so I expect an increase there. But Ford is still going to outsell Ram significantly. GM has just released the HD trucks so I expect they will also increase marginally.

@Alex
RAM +26%
Ford down
GM out
I guess everybody gonna wait for 2015 F150. LOL.
8 more great months for RAM.

they need a recall to fix how ugly that thing is

@Zviera, not everybody is waiting, Ford is essentially maintaining its huge market share. Whatever Ford is doing in their marketing is obviously working. You are trying to make the news more in favor for the Ram based on its recent trend (and an upward trend is very good for Ram), but if I were offered ownership of either company, I'd rather a slight downward trend and sell twice as many vehicles! This in no way reflects what truck I would rather buy, which would be a 2014 Cummins 2500 (so no bias here). Ram is heading in the right direction, but has a long way to go. I don't see it passing Ford's sales.

F-series was not down. Best February in 8 years.

@Alex
That's OK. I didn't say RAM will past Ford this month.
Whatever is RAM doing is better than Ford is doing now. Numbers don't lie.

@Alex - An analyst from Barclays says the GMC launch was a bad one. You combine that with the problems they are facing with ignition switches and various lawsuites associated with it, Ram might be able to catch GMC.

"Though the 2014 Chevrolet Silverado took home North American Truck/Utility of the Year at last month’s Detroit Auto Show, the large pickup and its brother, the GMC Sierra, have suffered from “the least successful large pickup launch over the last 15 years” according to Barclays Capital analyst Brian Johnson."

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2014/02/barclays-gm-suffering-from-worst-large-pickup-launch-in-15-years/

I do agree that Ford isn't in trouble and dips in sales with an outgoing model are to be expected.

Ram will see a spike in sales until the novelty of a 1/2 diesel plateau's.

Zviera is playing devil's advocate and since cannot present a good argument has chosen to troll.

My guess is that when the new F-150 comes out, Ford sales will be in the toilet and Ford will be close to going out of business

@Lou
Don't be paranoid . RAM is not a devil.

@Scott
Meeh Ford +0.4% for all trucks
Year - To - Date -0.8%

RAM + 26%

@Lou, I expect the Ram EcoDiesel to also plateau, it will also eat up some of the Hemi and Pentastar sales. I don't expect to see a substantial increase for Ram. I expect Ram will have to lower the price premium on the EcoDiesel in the near future to really increase sales. Ram made a mistake in not offering the ISV, or better yet, an ISV hydraulic hybrid in the HD. That's the sort of magic Ram needs to do if it wants to take a substantial piece of Ford's market share.

Zviera, You used to be cool, but now all you like to do is troll.
The actual Ford Truck numbers are:
+2.4% February
+1% YTD.
Ram does have a much bigger % gain, but that is mainly due to Ram's low % gain from this time last year (Ram stalled out) and Ford and GM were up double digits. Average it all out and the two are not that far apart. I will explain this all later.

@Alex - agreed. Ram should of offered the 5.0 Cummins as an option for the HD's. That engine would of been a perfect match for the Power Wagon.

Diaz must have a good relationship with Cummins and took as much intellectual property as leagally possible with him to Nissan. I bet that he has an axe to grind and will use Cummins to try to chop a limb off of Ram.

My suspicion is that as Ram builds market share and solidifies its position under Fiat, the Cummins I6 will be replaced by an Iveco engine. Iveco has an almost identical engine. We most likely will see Iveco commercial trucks show up and be rebadged as Ram "Commercial" vehicles.
I'd love to see the Daily crewcab 4x4 come to North America. I saw a camperized one last year and it looked like it had some decent offroad abilities.

@zviera - 'tis better to have a truck viewed as el diablo instead of la oveja.

A 490 lb cargo capacity does sound sheepish.

@Lou_BC, Alex
But what about the turbo? Does the ISV come with a smaller turbo than the ISB? The turbo is the reason the ISB Cummins is not an option for the Power Wagon because of the electric winch. I surely hope with Fred Diaz and Cummins' move to Nissan that Chrysler doesn't turn this into a lawsuit over the Cummins since Dodge and Ram trucks had the diesel engines first... I've seen it happen between two toy companies Mattel and MGA Entertainment.

@Liam - as far as I am concerned the location of the winch has nothing to do with why the Power Wagon does not have a diesel. IIRC, the HD diesels have different axles as well. Intercoolers can be located elsewhere.

I see quite a few diesel pickups with winch bumpers and winches. They don't seem to have a problem.

@Lou
I agree with you. 490lbs is very little even for a car. I just have no idea why do you mention that in truck forum.

@Scott
I am not a troll. I was saying "all trucks."

https://media.ford.com/content/dam/fordmedia/North%20America/US/2014/03/03/february14sales.pdf

+0.4% for all trucks
Year - To - Date -0.8%

@Big Al from Oz
You are not doing the Tourist trade any favours LOL Then again Crocs are part of the landscape in your part of Australia.

I do not know if you would see many Ducato,s in the Top End?

@Robert Ryan
We have a couple of Ducato panel vans at work.

I see plenty of Ducato RVs.

We see crocs all the time fishing. That croc was a freshwater croc and not a saltie.

RAM should base the ProMaster on the Iveco Daily. That model is rear wheel drive, has models with up to 5 tons of payload and the 4-wheel drive option.

While the front wheel drive Ducato has some advantages, the Daily is much more heavy duty. Hopefully the new version will be offered in the US.