the look of these trucks is really starting to grow on me.....I'd like a red king ranch or fx4

They could put a little chrome on these trucks. You either have to get way over chromed or 0 chrome. They should look at a GMC Sierra All Terrain or even a Ram sport. A little bit of chrome to accent goes a long way.

The Ecoboost is a good engine but how good is it really?

CAFE requirements make the Ecoboost insufficient despite it's virtues.

Ford is offering the diesel option because the Ecoboost fails to meet CAFE requirements.

Diesels are the answer, eventually everyone will follow suit.

I push diesels here because no one else does.

People like DiM and zvirus fail to accept the reality of the future.

@Big Al from Oz,

Quit the crap, really.

It's getting long in the tooth.

You want to debate, but it has to be on your terms.

Learn to debate with good information, then we might be able to have a decent debate.

Opinions are good, but if they are only your view to support the UAW, then how good are they. Look at what you guys have done to Detroit.

Terror tactics (union tactics) don't work on me.

If PUTC wants the UAW or whatever to control this site I suppose it's their decision.

It's not kids like I've been told by PUTC.

@numpty,
What are you achieving by continually using my name???

What are you scared of??

You turned the last few articles into a sh!t fight.

Bring on the '17 update ASAP
10 speed automatic
250hp 2.0 turbo I4
350hp 2.7 turbo V6
450hp 3.5 turbo V6
550hp 5.0 supercharger intercooled V8.

i dont think people realize that the 2014 rams have the 8hp standard on a lot more trims than the 2014s. the 2013 sport r/t was carryover from 2012 minus hydraulic power steering. the 2014 is no longer a stand along trim either as it is rather a sport reg cab short bed 2wd with an r/t badge in the grille and standard 3.92 axle ratio behind the standard for all sports 8hp transmission. what makes it not a stand along trim anymore is the fact that on the window sticker and ram website call it a sport reg cab and not a sport r/t anymore. btw they also come with 22 inch rims only on the reg cab 2wd/2013 r/ts. a 2013 sport reg cab 2wd is marketed as an r/t and has 65rfe with 4.10 gears. the express is competition to the stx because the express is a dressed up tradesman as the stx is a dressed up xl. why has no one noticed the stand out figures? the sport is the fx2 competitor as the fx2 tremor compares to the sport "r/t". why has PUTC failed to test the 2014 ram sport reg cab? why not against the tremor? what about an stx 5.0 vs hemi express? why not tell everyone that the 8 speed with standard 3.92s on sports is better than 6 speed 4.10s? the express is a poor mans sport. in fact it looks like the 2009-2012 sports. and tradesmans to slts have the premium headlights of the 2009-2012 trucks. premium trucks now have projector headlights. the express is a last gen sport with a modern tradesman interior. and why has ford made the tremor? this is ford's way of testing the waters to see if a specialty upscale sport truck is a viable option as the next f150 is likely to be the complete truck with every trim one can think of. in fact the last pic of the 2015 f150 everyone was saying it was a lariat with a sport package? is the fx2/fx4 gone? is there just gonna a sport package across the entire line regardless of trim? bottom line for this article? apples to oranges. compare a tremor to a sport reg cab or an stx to an express or a stx to a tremor or a sport to an express but never a tremor to an express, got it mark williams, putc, and every blogger spam bot or not? in any comparison use the 8speed ram as the 6 speed is on its way out. the 6 speed is comparable to chevy 4l60e rather than the latest 6speeds. knock of the kickdown and 2nd overdrive and bam u got a 4l60e (in general). if you guys dont believe me just look at the ratios for the transmissions that i posted earlier in the blog. a sport would imo out run this tremor as the first gear in the 6 speed is almost identical to the 2nd gear in the 8 speed. in the 8 speed its all about the first gear why it would cut the tremors @$$. now, an ecoboost truck weighs more, has less hp, costs more to build, has no increase in mpg and is some cases is worse. so someone tell me why the ecoboost is better than a hemi? it is not. rather the ecoboost is an alternative to a v8 as nissan and toyota are to the big three. there is no replacement for displacement; you replace 2 cylinders with 2 turbos. the only real advantage of the ecoboost is consistend torque and performance at high altitudes. btw truck people are diehard fans so a ford fan is gonna buy an f150 ecoboost or not and guess what ford puts in there trucks? why has an interesting blog gone to waste because no one sees the points to debate? why are there so many spam bots like BAFO and the fake Lou? if BAFO was being plagerized he would by a spam bot and he was not the spam bot himself he would change his name and clean up his act so people would quit trying to run him off. all he ever talks about is the uaw, trx4 tom, denvermike, and zivera. why not talk trucks BAFO? yes you can talk trucks on north american truck website but why? what are your motive? why dont you do anything mark williams? why dont you compare apples to apples mark williams? why so little tests throughout the year? why no ecoboost vs ecodiesel for eco comparison? why no tremor vs sport reg cab for sport comparison? why no reg cab long bed work trucks for payload comparison? why no outdoorsman vs z71 vs fx4 vs trd vs pro 4x for enhanced traction and protection package comparisons? why no crew cab 4x4 v6 truck comparison? why is it only an occasional fully loaded half ton only when a new one comes out or some $100,000 truck comparison? not everyone can own, rent, or need a 1 ton truck? and i all of this is why i never post here anymore because of the lack of reviews, late information, copied information, and all of the lame and sour blog posters. Mark Williams why do you want to run off your most intelligent and relevent bloggers? i want answer. thats right i want to see the blue around your name so i know its you and i want an answer. i think none of the guys here realize that the last powerwagon review was from motortrend. putc did nothing but copy and paste. go to truck trend and look if you guys dont believe me.

Josh, way to much time on your hands, I could begin to read all that.

"To say that Ford has a lot riding on the new, (practically) all-aluminum-body Ford F-150, which is scheduled to go on sale this fall, is a huge understatement."

The opening sentence would have to be the statement of the year on PUTC.

Ford and all of the US pickup manufacturers have a lot riding on what path they choose. Particularly the Detroit pickup manufacturers.

Nissan and Toyota are in a far better position than the Big 2 and Fiat. They aren't as reliant on pickups for their profit.

If Ford and/or GM make a poor decision then I bet they have enough lobby power to alter regulations to suit their predicament.

Well, they have themselves to blame.

I personally don't think the aluminium trucks are the way to go. They will sell but in reduced numbers as their cost will push them into a more prestigious price bracket.

The aluminium trucks are fantastic pieces of engineering, but like anything in aluminium they will come at a cost.

This doesn't include the turbo technology in the engines either. The cost of manufacturing a 2.7 turbo V6 vs a 3.5 turbo V6 would be a few cents.

@Jack

It's long in the tooth and has to be said. and no one is reading the older blog that much anymore.

Ford is sweating it!
Ford ISNOT confident
Ford is having second thoughts.

If all of this isn't true why are there so many stories and trail balloons about if this will make or break Ford?

there's a fine line between trying hard and trying too hard, cross that line and you fail.
The F-150 was already the leader in sales as without aluminum and a smaller engine.
You make changes cause your sales numbers are down.
The only people that will buy the 2015 F-150 are the few that only want to own one to show it off, saying: "Everybody Look At Me, I got a 2015 F-150"

This is how we roll...

Full-size all the way

Miliary grade aluminum

High strength steel

All gas engines - gas is the future!

Greg
I strongly disagree about chrome on pickup trucks, it makes the truck look sissified , chrome looks bad when its not clean and polished all the time. When a truck with chrome is dirty it looks bad where at the same time a truck without chrome looks the same dirty or clean.
Besides! Its PLASTIC CHROME , in a few years the micro thin layer fades away in the sun.
A truck with NO chrome looks tough, like a tough, hard working guy like me is driving it!

@Big Al, until the 3.5 uses the CGI block and start/stop like the 2.7, I dare say that the 2.7 would be more expensive to produce.

Well that's one way to stop fords from rusting.

Or we could simply elect public officials who aren't trying to kill our energy industry...

Cheap gas would make these lighter trucks and turbo trucks irrelevant.

Toiletodor could try something like this for that rust problem they have. That crap is widespread on most of them.

@DenverMike
Are you spinning and trolling again?

A Colorado can carry 3 080lbs.

What does a 2013 Ford F-250SRW 4x4 172.4"wb carry? 3 020lbs.

http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2013_SuperDuty_Specs.pdf

So Mr UAW, I gave a link.

Also, DenverDunce, interpret what I have written, don't put spin on it and troll like a loser.

Before you answer research and read what a person writes and don't try and take this out of context again.

Remember, this issue is what started your Denverdumbass multi posts.

You are one full of $hit individual.

A Colorado can carry 3 080lbs. - Source please

@SouthTXProsecutor
That's funny because I was thinking the same thing then I scrolled down and read the first comment. Now I don't want one but it is better looking than I previously thought or at least that one is.

What is the point of this article? It is news when a delay is being reported but not to say it on track.

@papa jim--Cheap gas and cheap beer with no government regulations sounds like a plan, but I do not be down wind from you.

Nothing change another ford ,,,same truck build different same problem ,,

It's only news because Morgan Stanley was saying the other day it was being delayed and some jacka$$es were blogging this earlier in an attempt to be controversial or provacative.

The mixtape's got a little Hank, little Drake
A little something bumping, thump, thumping on the wheel ride
The mix in our drink's a little stronger than you think
So get a grip, take a sip of that feel right
The all-aluminum F-150's jacked up, flat bills flipped back
Yeah you can find us where the party's at

This is how we roll
We hanging round singing out everything on the radio
We light 'em up with our EcoBoost turbo V6
This is how we roll
This is how we do
We're burning down the night shooting bullets at the moon baby
This is how we roll

Yeah baby this is how we roll
We rollin' into town
With nothing else to do we take another lap around
Yeah holla at your boy if you need a ride (because your Chevy, RAM or Tundra broke down)
If you roll with me yeah you know we rollin' high
Up on them 37 Nittos, windows tinted hard to see though
How fresh my baby is in the shotgun seat oh
Them kisses are for me though, automatic like a free throw
This all-aluminum F-150 might not be for you but it's for me though
Let's roll!

This is how we roll
We hanging round singing out everything on the radio
We light 'em up with our EcoBoost turbo V6
This is how we roll
This is how we do
When the PUTC comments section turns ugly I just turn and look at you baby
This is how we roll!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbxuXq_981s

No aluminum for me. Its expensive and not very durable, expensive to repair and when it fails it does'nt give much warning. Steel is much better that is why they have been using it for 100+ years.

In the news this week: Ford opens 88 dealerships in China in one day.

In a sick sort of way it makes sense--you go where the money is.

China has a growing economy, and six years into the Hope and Change economy we have a no growth economy.

So, if you want to use the occasion of buying your next car or truck to help Ford to fund its expansion into China, buy a Ford.

@Big Al--Maybe having more expensive trucks is not entirely a bad thing. The manufacturers will still make a hefty profit and many consumers will seek more efficient and affordable alternatives. Those that really want these trucks will buy them anyway. When something becomes too expensive then many consumers will seek alternatives. No one is forced to buy a truck. Instead of fighting this it is better to let the chips fall where they may.

The gassers never get what they claim and any gasoline engine with a turbo guzzles gas unless you put a brick under the gas pedal. Plus the gas has so many additives that reduce its efficiency. I am seriously considering the v6 diesel in the 2014 Ram 1500. Usually one can easily top the sticker mpg ratings with a diesel and there is so much headroom with diesels to add more power or efficiency. no body has any engine products for the VM V6 diesel yet but they will. Just still a bit scared to own another dodge and would be nice if they had some competition to lower the price some.

Ford’s “one World, One car-type” strategy can really put them in the driver’s seat if the China thing goes even marginally well.

Instead of building different vehicles, with different brands, for different parts of the world, they are concentrating on just one brand, across the planet.

Big Beautiful F-150’s in China, in India, and all over Africa. It is the future.

"So, if you want to use the occasion of buying your next car or truck to help Ford to fund its expansion into China, buy a Ford."

@papa, It's the same story with GM too.

FLASHBACK: General Motors Outlines Future Strategy For China, Includes More Product, More Manufacturing, Dealerships & People

Dealerships

So to meet growing demand for its products, GM will expand its dealer network by adding 400 dealers in 2013 alone — bringing The General’s total dealer count in China to 4,200 by the end of the year. By 2015, GM plans on having 5,100 dealers nationwide in China — which is more outlets than it has in North America. The focus is on expanding westward and to China’s tier 3 and tier 4 cities in the country’s interior.

By 2017, Shanghai GM and SAIC-GM-Wuling will open a total of 1,000 dealers in western China.

source: gmauthority

"Or we could simply elect public officials who aren't trying to kill our energy industry..."

@Dave/papajim,

New EPA Regs Issued Under Obama Are 38 Times as Long as Bible

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/ali-meyer/new-epa-regs-issued-under-obama-are-38-times-long-bible

Kind of scary isn't it?

The Republicans have to defund this monster known as the E.P.A. Before it wrecks our economy and puts everyone in the poor house.

Clean air and water is something we all want but we don’t want it at the expense of a job and foods to consume or fuel to power our machinery and transport vehicles.

The problem is, that it is still a FORD!!!

@tom
One person writes an article that is untrue, and then it gets repeated again and again. Why would ford come out and say there is not going to be a delay if there is going to be a delay? You think they are just lying when we'll know the truth in a couple months anyways? I'm interested in a 2015 f-150. I may be one of the first people to buy one, and it has nothing to do with showing it off. If I think it's a better truck than the chevy I will buy it, simple as that.

UGLY TRUCK UGLY TRUCK UGLY TRUCK

ALL THE GUTS

ALL THE GLORY

ALL STEEL

RAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@Dave

Thanks, but you might have missed my point. If the US economy wasn't in the crapper; if Americans had good jobs; if energy costs were not expected to rise; if our children had prospects for a future that's better than the life I lived.

If all that was happening, Ford and GM wouldn't be building in China, they'd be building a new business for the future here.

As it is, we have not had a strong economy in the US since the 1990s. We should expect more of our public officials.

@Bafo
Let me make myself clear. I must've been living in the future 23 years ago, when I had my first of my 3 diesels.
When I moved to NA , I was seeking any diesel info I could get.
This info hasn't been posted anywhere else.
I keep it in my files for 6 years now, gave up and bought a HEMI. Didn't regret it yet and bought second truck with the same engine. But who knows, maybe I will buy Titan with 5.6L Cummins. I doubt it, because it will cost an arm and leg in here. Nisan doesn't have a capacity to bring the Titan Cummins combo pricing down. So it will be 6.4 HEMI for me in the future again.

Enjoy and dream of Bafo.

Instead of VVV use www instead of (DOT) use (.)
Delete X and spaces.

VVV(DOT)diesel X bombers(DOT)com/latest-automotive-industry-news/11841-dodge-1500-diesel-ram-diesel-durango-diesel-dakota.html

Jim, Yep, you made an excellent point about the economy. Your last took away from it because it was a slam on buying a Ford when GM has become China Motors and has been adding dealerships by the thousands.

I vote for you to have your own column at PUTC or we can just read your posts. Take care.

The reason why the small diesel is in the Transit and not the F-150 is the the Tranist is used by businesses and many are high-mileage and are driven for longer service periods with loads. In this case a diesel may make sense.

In a F-150 nobody is going to put on that many miles and they tend to be driven empty 90% of the time compared to a business van.

So a $4000 diesel (or $6000 more than the base) makes no sense. A gas engine like an EcoBoost makes more sense in a F-150 and can can tow 2000 lbs more and use cheaper fuel than the Ram's diesel.

"I push diesels here because no one else does. People like DiM and zvirus fail to accept the reality of the future."

The future you say? More like back to the future.

Why does BAFO propogandize for diesels here? What is in it for him?

BAFO could be a paid shill for the old diesel industry, but is probably just a kid like I have been told by PUTC.

Fake Lou aka johnny doe, FYI, All F-series are made in the US.

2015 F-650 and F-750 will be made in the US this year. Try to stay current.

Lou, Did test drive the EcoDiesel yet?

BAFO is an international cyber terrorist and menace. He is the only regular poster to multi-post and he admitted to it on PUTC yesterday.

BAFO, No one is buying your diesel bullcrap.

@DeverMike/Paul/Tom Lemon/Greg Baird/TRX4Tom/Dave/Hemi V8/Tom Terrific/sandman 4x4/lautenslager/zveria/Bob/US Truck Driver/Glenn/Jason/Hemi Rampage/smartest truck guy/Maxx/SuperDuty37/Ken/Ron/johnny doe/jim/ALL1/Frank/Idahoe Joe/The Guy/AD/Casey/papa jim/Young Guy/BeeBe/Steve/Chris/The truck guy/Alex/Mr Chow/Yessir/All Americans/Scott/Buy American or say Bye to America/Ram Big Horn 1500/Hemi Monster/Tom Wilkinson at Chevy or whoever you want to call yourself.

Quit the crap, really.

It's getting long in the tooth.

You want to debate, but it has to be on your terms.

Learn to debate with good information, then we might be able to have a decent debate.

Opinions are good, but if they are only your view to support the UAW, then how good are they. Look at what you guys have done to Detroit.

Terror tactics (union tactics) don't work on me.

If PUTC wants the UAW or whatever to control this site I suppose it's their decision.

It's not kids like I've been told by PUTC.

@papa jim
Again, I do think you are attempting to move the debate away from a technical argument and into personal subjective discussion.

The debate essentially started off with my passing judgment regarding the accuracy of it's technical content.

I'm not after a slanging match.

If you or anyone wants to discuss "how and why" certain events and situation are arrived at I'll be glad to discuss them, especially in the area of mechanics/physics and finance/economics.

This is why PUTC has gone to $hit because the content is highly personal with little quality of technical discussion.

The debate is largely "my pecker is bigger than your pecker". Even the one regarding drivetrain ratios. Once this occurs the truth of the real argument is removed.

Like I stated to you, if you want to discuss engines and what challenges confront engineers I will debate those issues.

Yourself claiming to be of a very mature age should be supportive of my aims.

Once this approach is realised the site has a much better chance of settling down and becoming a far more interesting site.

We can blame Mark Williams for the site, but we are the ones posting the $hit. So why don't you try and give it a go?

@papa jim
Again, I do think you are attempting to move the debate away from a technical argument and into personal subjective discussion.

The debate essentially started off with my passing judgment regarding the accuracy of it's technical content.

I'm not after a slanging match.

If you or anyone wants to discuss "how and why" certain events and situation are arrived at I'll be glad to discuss them, especially in the area of mechanics/physics and finance/economics.

This is why PUTC has gone to $hit because the content is highly personal with little quality of technical discussion.

The debate is largely "my pecker is bigger than your pecker". Even the one regarding drivetrain ratios. Once this occurs the truth of the real argument is removed.

Like I stated to you, if you want to discuss engines and what challenges confront engineers I will debate those issues.

Yourself claiming to be of a very mature age should be supportive of my aims.

Once this approach is realised the site has a much better chance of settling down and becoming a far more interesting site.

We can blame Mark Williams for the site, but we are the ones posting the $hit. So why don't you try and give it a go?

@papa jim
Again, I do think you are attempting to move the debate away from a technical argument and into personal subjective discussion.

The debate essentially started off with my passing judgment regarding the accuracy of it's technical content.

I'm not after a slanging match.

If you or anyone wants to discuss "how and why" certain events and situation are arrived at I'll be glad to discuss them, especially in the area of mechanics/physics and finance/economics.

This is why PUTC has gone to $hit because the content is highly personal with little quality of technical discussion.

The debate is largely "my pecker is bigger than your pecker". Even the one regarding drivetrain ratios. Once this occurs the truth of the real argument is removed.

Like I stated to you, if you want to discuss engines and what challenges confront engineers I will debate those issues.

Yourself claiming to be of a very mature age should be supportive of my aims.

Once this approach is realised the site has a much better chance of settling down and becoming a far more interesting site.

We can blame Mark Williams for the site, but we are the ones posting the $hit. So why don't you try and give it a go?

All my posts on pickuptrucks.com have been from a nuetral point of view.

Awesome. Another article/commentary ruined by BAFO.

@Jeff S,
It does appear you might be correct in your assumption that pickup trucks might price themselves out of the market. But I don't really think that will occur. Just like there is a market for prestige SUVs I do think there is a pickup market for aluminium pickups.

Even in Australia you can see the range of pricing we are prepared to pay for a pickup. The biggest selling pickups here are mid to high end pickups all 4x4.

It's odd that since Tim Esterdahl concurred with my comment regarding my views on the direction of a Class 3 Titan and Tundra the retards came out and ruined the site.

I don't think the disruption is to do with me, but more about the promotion of "US Big 2 and Ram" pickups vs Nissan/Toyota.

But Nissan and Toyota build as good a pickup as the Big 2 and Fiat.

Maybe Nissan and Toyota might come out of the 1/2 ton pickup segment with winners.

Here's what they will have. A V8 and not only a V8 but they will be like a global "midsize HD". Sort of a very heavy duty 1/2 ton or a light duty HD.

That's a brilliant move on their part to snavel V8 diehards and some the HD SUV demographics.

I will also be very interested in seeing how a small midsize Nissan sells. This with the Colorado and possibly the new Hilux will change the scene for midsizers.