this is soooo ridiculous. Every car when I was a kid had sliding mats. They had no seat belts or air bags. How did so many of us even survive?

I've seen guys using adhesive backed VELCRO straps to keep mats in place. It does the job they say.

glad I don't have a new chev/gmc truck, the recalls all seem minor for the most part, but to deal with them all my truck would be in the shop half its life getting the recall work done !
crazy...

New GM theme song.

http://youtu.be/MK6TXMsvgQg

Go back to 10 recalls which is one full page of recalls of the recalls table. GM is currently holding 70% of the recalls on this site. Just wait. When the new Colorado gets here GM will be up to 90% of the recalls.

GM recalls 3.4 million vehicles for similar ignition-switch defect
6:47 PM, June 16, 2014

The scope of General Motors’ ignition-switch crisis more than doubled Monday as the company recalled for another 3.4 million vehicles plagued by a similar defect that can result in stalling and disruption of electrical power.

GM’s second-quarter earnings will be cut by $700 million, up from a previously reported $400 million.

The automaker is recalling vehicles ranging from 2000 to 2014 model years — all but one model is no longer produced. As with 2.6 million previously recalled small cars, the latest recall involve ignition switches that may inadvertently move out of the “run” position if the key is carrying extra weight and experiences some jarring event, the company said in a statement.

The previous recall has been tied to at least 13 deaths and more than 40 crashes.

Separately Monday, the company also recalled 165,770 vehicles for unrelated reasons, including:

■ 68,887 units of the 2013-14 Cadillac ATS and 21,863 of the 2014 Cadillac CTS for a shift cable that could break
■ 57,192 units of the 2015 heavy-duty Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra pickups for a potential power steering hose clamp issue
■ 16,932 units of the 2011 Cadillac CTS sedans for a potential gasket leak
■ 712 units of the 2014 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray whose air bags might be blocked from deployment
■ 184 units of the 2014-15 Silverado and GMC Sierra whose floor mats could slip

http://www.freep.com/article/20140616/BUSINESS0101/306160162/GM-ignition-switch-recall-General-Motors

“Everytime they announce a recall I hope that’s the last one — and then a week or two later there’s another one,” Morningstar analyst David Whiston said.

The new recall places additional scrutiny on the quality of GM’s older vehicles and extends GM’s single-year record for recalled vehicles to more than 20 million.

Why would you want floor mats on a vinyl floor anyways? Thats the whole point of getting a vinyl floor...get it muddy, hose it out.

I know the beauty of not having carpet is it's easy to clean and nothing to stain. But some heavy duty floor mats to prevent wear/tear to the vinyl and to catch dirt, mud, sand, water would be one of my requirements. I would have assumed GM was capable of providing mats that won't slip slide away in 2014.

GM didn't learn from unattended Toyotas acceleration and the fix is to return mats to dealer ?
Awesome.

Has anyone seen GM's new movie?

It's called TOTAL RECALL.

@Frank,
You're a genius!

But be honest. Did you come up with this by yourself? Man up and tell us truth.

CHEVROLET= Constantly Having Every Vehicle Recalled Over Lousy Engineering Techniques

@DeverMike/Paul/Tom Lemon/Greg Baird/TRX4Tom/Dave/Hemi V8/Tom Terrific/sandman 4x4/lautenslager/zveria/Bob/US Truck Driver/Glenn/Jason/Hemi Rampage/smartest truck guy/Maxx/SuperDuty37/Ken/Ron/johnny doe/jim/ALL1/Frank/Idahoe Joe/The Guy/AD/Casey/papa jim/Young Guy/BeeBe/Steve/Chris/The truck guy/Alex/Mr Chow/Yessir/All Americans/Scott/Buy American or say Bye to America/Ram Big Horn 1500/Hemi Monster or whoever you want to call yourself.

Quit the crap, really.

It's getting long in the tooth.

You want to debate, but it has to be on your terms.

Learn to debate with good information, then we might be able to have a decent debate.

Opinions are good, but if they are only your view to support the UAW, then how good are they. Look at what you guys have done to Detroit.

Terror tactics (union tactics) don't work on me.

If PUTC wants the UAW or whatever to control this site I suppose it's their decision.

It's not kids like I've been told by PUTC.

They don't seem to care. So this will go on.

at least the Chevy V8 is getting better gas mileage than the Ford Eco-Boost V6!
the Chevy 4x4 pickup has a much lower bed so you don't need a stupid ladder that pulls out of the tailgate.
the anti-lock brakes WORK on a Chevy
Chevy is the only pickup that has Auto 4x4
Chevy doesn't use an exotic tire size so your local tire shop stocks the size Chevy uses.
Chevy tucks in the wiring harness and brake lines behind the frame.
When you turn the ac on you don't get a burnt wire electrical smell on a Chevy
Chevy still uses hyd power steering that's better than your stupid electric steering
(electric pwr steering HOW STUPID that's breakdown that's going to happen)
Chevy has the square box look and design that's much more air efficient
repair parts are less expensive on a Chevy

@Tom#3

Well lets see 5.3L V-8 355hp/383 ft/tq VS
Tiny 3.5L V-6 365hp/420ft/tq

Fuel Mileage
5.3L 2wd 16 city / 23 Highway
3.5L 2wd 16city / 22 Highway

What do you get with the Ecoboost 10 MORE HORSEPOWER AND A WHOOPING 37 MORE FT/TQ MOST STARTING AT 1500 RPM. ALL THIS FROM A VERY SMALL DISPLACEMENT SUPER HIGH TECH ENGINE.

What's the sacrifice by buying a F150 with Ecoboost loosing 1 mile/gallon, but you gain a huge 37lbs/tq at a very low rpm

SO I ASK YOU THIS QUESTION, WHAT WOULD BE THE 5.3L FUEL MILEAGE IF IT CRANK 420LBS OF TORQUE??????????????????????????????????????? 15/18 OR 16/19 OR 14/17????????????????

latwoods

you don't drive your eco-boost around 100% of the time at its maximum engine HP and Torque
you don't need that extra power cause you seldom use it.
a motorcycle crotch rocket does 160 MPH doesn't mean you're driving at 160 MPH all the time.
Did you see how crude oil is up? Gas mileage is getting more important than engine performance.

I agree the eco-boost is powerful, but you don't need that power

That's 18 million recalls for GM 6 months into 2014, and that is us only. Hope nobody has stock in them. Oh and on the 5.3 vs ecoboost gas mileage note, it amazes me that the GM in 4 cylinder mode can only achieve 1 MPG better than a twin Turbo 6 with no cylinder cut out

@Tom#3
F150s in lariat, king ranch, platinum and limited trims since 2012 have come standard with auto 4 in addtion to the 2hi, 4hi, and 4lo settings. electric power stearing in not that bad many veichles have it now and it appears to be more trouble free than hyd steering, especially since GM tied their power stearing and brakes together with hydroboost. when the steering was leaking on my chevy I asked the service manager would there be any damage to power stearing if the fluid drained out he said no , but you wouldnt have brake fluid either. on a Gm if you have a failure in the fluid or vacume lines you will lose your brakes and steering. Pretty sure the article below this one mentions that.

Everyone must remember that tom#3 is now called tom#2. Please refer to him as such because he is so full of it and spouts Shi% everywhere. What a peckerhead.

I skim thru Tom 1,2,3's post, and when done laughing at all the half truth's, I wonder how late does he stay up at dreaming this crap up.
GM could go out of business tomorrow say and he'd still have his cheerleading outfit on "Go GM" lol

@latwoods
I thought you claimed to be an engineer?

How will you arrive at an extra 30ftlb of torque at 22/23mpg FE? How much torque is being developed to give the 22/23 mpg average?

Impossible, unless you have some magic FE dust.

As an argument if you are travelling at 60mph and returning an average of 20mpg you will use a quart of fuel every 15 miles or 15 minutes.

At full throttle how long will it take either the EcoBoost or V8 to use a quart of fuel.

I can tell you now I had a L20 Datsun engine (highly modified) that used to have the engine breakdown due to fuel startvation at around 6 800rpm. The fuel pump delivered 1 litre per minute or even double.

So, what will a turbo 3.5 be capable of consuming? I would think it would easily use 1 quart a minute or 1 gallon every 4 minutes.

So, you guys really need to sit down and look at how much fuel is actually used to produce these horsepower figures you pluck out of you asses.

I would think for the EcoBoost to deliver the claimed torque it will used more fuel than the V8 to achieve the same.

At a low throttle setting is the only place an EcoBoost has a real advantage in FE.

Can we all just get along? Can we stop making it horrible for the kids and old people?

I just have to confess... I am a fool and a habitual liar.

The problem with GM is they thought they could restructure their debt with the a govn't bailout and play favorites with the bond holders and everything would be ok. But their legacy will be the bad cars being made due to the unions. This is going to last for several more years. GM could have been a great American company so this is sad.

Isn`t it funny how everything now days needs to be retard proof? What happened to common sense and the ability to deal with things? Sheesh!

How hard is it to engineer a tie down or clip arrangement for the floor mats?
My F150 has retention hooks for the floor mats and so does my wife's Sienna.

@Lou_BC
I think almost all of our vehicles have lugs for the manufacturer's floor mat to clip into.

I don't know if this is a regulation or just a feature by the manufacturers'.

The are slotted arrangement. Once in they can't move.

@ D They are restructuring and weeding out the bad people that make the wrong calls. It all started in 2009 when they change the top people in GM hell 15 people have been fired just over the ignition recall alone. It don't look good now but give it 5 years and GM will be working its way back to the top with probably the best quality control practices along with Toyota when they track down and get all clueless retards gone that are just their for pay checks.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/gm-ceo-probe-found-pattern-of-incompetence-1401973966

most mfg use plastic z like clips to hold floor mats in place. they are weak and crappy to say the least. if you push your foot on the floor mat to help get you in the back of the seat or put a lot of weight on one foot on the floor mat to get in your truck when the person next to you doesnt give you much space to get in your truck you can pop these plastic clips out of their weak hold in the carpet. IN the OLD DAYS there were snaps screwed to the metal and or metal pins studs or clips that were fastened to the body sheet metal. Guess that design was too good and cost too much so put in the plastic clips and anchor them to the carpet that moves Brilliant toyota gm. Yes i will be screwing mine to the floor since i just popped my plastic clipped to the carpet and my passenger always moves her side as well, guess we dont know how to get in a truck ?

http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/Partszoos/Floor_mats_metal_badge_large.jpg

http://trufit.com.au/images/outlander-2013-black-vinyl-drivers2.jpg

You can see the Ford Ranger's drivers side floor mat with the holes for securing.

http://www.ford.com.au/servlet/Satellite?blobtable=DFYImage&blobcol=urlpicture&blobheadervalue1=max-age%253D1000&ssbinary=true&blobheadername1=Cache-Control&blobwhere=1248932677941&blobkey=id

The lug positions are concealed, but evident.

http://trufit.com.au/images/ranger-2012-black-vinyl-drivers.jpg

Fuel Howie Long - Chevy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6SnbSCNbSY

@BAFO, And those are carpeted floors. Vinyl bottom feeder floors don't have attachments to secure mats.

@GM Sierra
First my name is Big Al, as I've expressed numerous times if you want to discuss something I will address you by your name and you mine. Or, I will 'talk back' to you as I do the other losers who address me as BAFO. Simple.

I find it astonishing that the level of comprehension by some on these sites is marginal at best.

Why do you require a floor mat with a vinyl covering?

Sort of defeats the purpose of the vinyl covering.

@BAFFO, I'll address you by any name I want.

Your post a lame attempt to show that your truck is superior becuase it has the floor hooks but you showed a carpeted floor, not the all vinyl floor without the hooks.

Let me educate you. You don't have to use mats, but mats trap water, road salt, mud and sand. Vinyl floors just let the water and debris run all over the place.

Better floor mats have channels that carry fluid and debris, away from shoes and clothing, into a lower reservoir. The lower reservoir uses additional channeling to minimize fluid movement while driving. Once fluids become trapped in the reservoir, they are easily removed from the mat over the door sill…No muss – No Fuss!

Now get off this site and back to your au truck site.

Vinyl floors are ok if you like them.

It can cause an indention if you don't have anything on top of it so I suggest using floor mats even with vinyl flooring. It would also be much easier to keep clean with mats on the top of the vinyl.

Regarding the mat clip and the vinyl floors. No there is not one on the Ranger vinyl floors either nor the F-150 vinyl.

@ D They are restructuring and weeding out the bad people that make the wrong calls. It all started in 2009 when they change the top people in GM hell 15 people have been fired just over the ignition recall alone. It don't look good now but give it 5 years and GM will be working its way back to the top with probably the best quality control practices along with Toyota when they track down and get all clueless retards gone that are just their for pay checks.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/gm-ceo-probe-found-pattern-of-incompetence-1401973966

Posted by: johnny doe | Jun 17, 2014 10:03:44 PM

Amen! But they can't fire all the retards because they are in unions. Chrysler tried to fire some drunks and potheads but had to let them back.

On these recalls, GM seems to be rapidly going in the direction of OVER-CAUTION. In general, I think the numer of recalls is getting ridiculous. You have to wonder how long before people in the company begin to feel paralyzed by the "over-correction" of error? Will the changes to the 2016, 2017, and 2018 trucks be delayed?

Don't worry about the GM recalls. It's much adoo about nothing!!!

Exclusive: GM planning strict diet for new pickup trucks: sources

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/18/us-autos-gm-trucks-idUSBRE96H13D20130718

Even though GM's 2014 Silverado and Sierra lost between 250 to 400 lbs as part of a complete makeover this summer, the lightest Silverado still tips the scale at 4,387 lbs (1,990 kg).

GM "didn't go far enough in terms of weight reduction and powertrain improvements" when it developed the 2014 Silverado and Sierra, according to an industry consultant who works directly with the U.S. automakers.

Now, he said, the automaker has no choice, but to "send 'em to Jenny Craig" - a reference to the popular consumer diet and weight-loss program.

Prior to the 2019 launch of the next-generation Silverado and Sierra, GM is planning a series of rolling changes over the next few years to the trucks, which just went on sale six weeks ago as redesigned 2014 models. GM will begin to use more lightweight materials such as aluminum and composites, in place of conventional steel, several suppliers said.

The moves are designed to help protect what executives have sometimes described as the "crown jewels." These high-volume truck models generate handsome per-vehicle profits of $12,000 or more. Together, the GM and Ford pickups account for nearly 10 percent of total U.S. vehicle sales.

"We're going to look at all the levers we can pull - materials, aerodynamics, powertrain - to continue to improve fuel efficiency, both on an interim basis and as we go to the next-generation trucks," GM spokesman Tom Wilkinson said. He declined to discuss the automaker's specific plans.

One supplier source said GM plans to introduce late next year a special aluminum-intensive version of the Silverado that could be up to 250 lbs lighter, with 20-percent better fuel economy.

A second supplier source said GM is working with several parts makers to redesign such underbody components as springs, axles and driveshafts on the pickups to reduce their weight.

A third source said GM is considering following Ford's lead in using aluminum and composites on such major truck body panels as doors and fenders, but that it likely will trail Ford "by years" in implementing such sweeping and expensive design and engineering changes.

"GM can make some changes (in materials) when the Silverado and Sierra get a mid-cycle freshening" in about three years, the source said. But GM may not be able to implement an extensive shift to aluminum until the next-generation trucks are ready toward the end of the decade, he said.

@GM Sierra True some may not be able to fire some cause of the union tards and rules, but if it was me it be worth hire one or a few people to follow and ride these a$$s all day long to make sure they do their job right or it'll make/force them into wanting to quite. That's what I'd do if it was me and I think it would be worth the extra cost.

@all,

We need it to be morning in America again.

TED CRUZ FOR PRESIDENT!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU-IBF8nwSY

This tard is a piece of work!

@johnny doe True good post.

this is soooo ridiculous. Every car when I was a kid had sliding mats. They had no seat belts or air bags. How did so many of us even survive?
Posted by: papa jim | Jun 17, 2014 10:10:33 AM

papa jim for president!

Al, you question an engineer, then you can't do simple math. 60mph is 1 mile per minute. At 20mpg it would take 20 minutes to consume 1 gallon or 5 minutes/5 miles to consume 1 quart.

@Tom
You are correct I screwed up with some simple arithmetic.

But, my point still stands.

How much torque is an engine required to make at 60mph. I read an interesting article that states that the 'average' vehicle (whatever that is requires 12hp) to travel at 60mph. That's not many ftlb of torque at 1 800rpm.

It's nowhere near the amount used at full throttle with max hp.

"floor mats ...prevent wear/tear to the vinyl and to catch dirt, mud, sand, water would be one of my requirements. I would have assumed GM was capable of providing mats that won't slip slide away in 2014."

@Greg

Two words: Wall & Mart

For about 20 bucks you can get any mats you like. Some are embossed with the Ford logo, the Ram logo and the various other brands.

For about 10 bucks you can get the cheapest vinyl mats--my favorite--they last anywhere from five to fifty years I guess, (unless you cut one up to use as a packing seal or a gasket or a shim).

Try Walmart, seriously. If you buy mats from the dealer they will cost 10 times as much

These are work trucks. Vinyl flooring means that you don't need floor mats to protect them. And why would you? It's designed to be a low maintenance feature with the ability to be hosed out and cleaned easily.

GM seems to be nickle and diming these trucks with trivial recalls. Even though they're trying to be thorough which is good, people are just going to be associating these trucks as having recall after recall after recall. Not a good thing.

GUTS

GLORY

MINIMAL RECALLS

BETTER FLOOR MATS

RAM

@DeverMike/Paul/Tom Lemon/Greg Baird/TRX4Tom/Dave/Hemi V8/Tom Terrific/sandman 4x4/lautenslager/zveria/Bob/US Truck Driver/Glenn/Jason/Hemi Rampage/smartest truck guy/Maxx/SuperDuty37/Ken/Ron/johnny doe/jim/ALL1/Frank/Idahoe Joe/The Guy/AD/Casey/papa jim/Young Guy/BeeBe/Steve/Chris/The truck guy/Alex/Mr Chow/Yessir/All Americans/Scott/Buy American or say Bye to America/Ram Big Horn 1500/Hemi Monster or whoever you want to call yourself.

Quit the crap, really. If I want to troll and spew usless BS that is my preference.

I only have one tooth.

You want to debate, but it has to be on my terms.

I need to learn to debate with good information, then we might be able to have a decent debate but that isn't going to happen.

Opinions are good, but if they are only my view to support the UAW, then how good are they?

Terror tactics (union tactics) are fine with me.

If PUTC wants the UAW or whatever to control then I support it fully.

It's kids like me I've been told by PUTC.

They don't seem to care. So I will keep on trolling.

Preventative maintenance that's all.