What did they sell back then, a few thousand trucks?

Not a big number. Not a big deal. How many are resting, ahem, rusting in junkyards today?

No news on the Nissan Frontier?

My Taco's frame rusted

Dave
nobody can see the frame so why worry about it?

Tom, when the front end of the truck fell off due to the frame rusting in two, it was not a matter of being seen, it was a matter of calling a tow truck. Toyota replaced the frame free of charge....it was a major recall....

These were the perfect sized trucks. I wish Toyota kept the tundra this size with an efficient engine and rust proof frame.

GUTS
GLORY
FEWER RECALLS
RAM

TTAC just broke the news on the next Nissan Frontier.....

typical PUTC..........

...wait for press release

... regurgitate press relese

...abandon investigative journalism

...let trolls ruin the site

@Paul
Hmmm........you seem to have trouble comprehending??

I thought it was a multinational supplier of 'safety equipment'.

Also, if I remember we found the airbag component was actually made in Washington State.

Funny how you are so venomous to the point of lying?

So, Paul or Captain America or Buy American or say goodbye to Americe, or NUMPTY the DUMB F4CK.

Pull you f$cking head in.

Say what you will, but Toyota is usually pretty good with recalls or even things that do not have a recall. I had an old Toyota Hilux PU, an '88 model, and Toyota was willing to go 50% on the cost for replacement OEM seat belts back in '05 for my truck. I never got them because I sold the truck shorty afterward. However, I'd like to see any of the big three willing to do that after 17 years. GM wouldn't even have OEM replacement seat belts after that many years. They usually discontinue parts like crazy right around 8-10 year mark. I would assume Ford or even Guts Glory Ram...err..I mean Fiat would be the same as GM. Their trucks may not look as handsome, but at least Toyota supports their platforms far longer than any of the big three.

I don't give my money to the japs anymore. I got screwed over with my last Toyota. Never again.

@Paul
Guess what???

I'll be sitting on a beach on the east coast on July 4th.

Eating hot dogs, drinking Jack's and Coor's Light, watching fireworks.

Enjoying my family and celebrating a great nation.

The reason the US is great it is an accepting nation, not unlike Canada, Australia, etc.

So, you're a native American??? Must be, or are you bred from some immigrant family that arrived in the US bringing ideas from around the world?

You are such a pathetic fool.

@DeverMike/Paul/Tom Lemon/Greg Baird/TRX4Tom/Dave/Hemi V8/Tom Terrific/sandman 4x4/lautenslager/zveria/Bob/US Truck Driver/Glenn/Jason/Hemi Rampage/smartest truck guy/Maxx/SuperDuty37/Ken/Ron/johnny doe/jim/ALL1/Frank/Idahoe Joe/The Guy/AD/Casey/papa jim/Young Guy/BeeBe/Steve/Chris/The truck guy/Alex/Mr Chow/Yessir/All Americans/Scott/Buy American or say Bye to America/Ram Big Horn 1500/Hemi Monster or whoever you want to call yourself.

Quit the crap, really.

It's getting long in the tooth.

You want to debate, but it has to be on your terms.

Learn to debate with good information, then we might be able to have a decent debate.

Opinions are good, but if they are only your view to support the UAW, then how good are they. Look at what you guys have done to Detroit.

Terror tactics (union tactics) don't work on me.

If PUTC wants the UAW or whatever to control this site I suppose it's their decision.

It's not kids like I've been told by PUTC.

Why does every article have to turn into a flame war between BAFO, his impersonators and everyone who doesn't agree with him?

Someone needs to put a stop to this nonsense. If the moderators don't step up and attend to this site, it's going to be run to the ground.

I'm seriously getting sick of coming here and reading through the stuff. There a plenty of other truck sites out there. Maybe it's time for me to leave.

@ HEMI MONSTER - TTAC is a great site, they often break truck news before PUTC does. The only negative is that it is primarily a car site.

@HEMI MONSTER
This is the same guy that also uses Lou's name etc.

Due to his simplistic nature he hasn't straight out stated this yet, but, I think he only want US content and only full size pickups, excluding the Titan and Tundra.

Lou's Canadian so he doesn't quite fit the bill that a US White Supremacist finds tolerant. The guy is marginal in all respects as a human and has little respect.

But after reading some of the comment by some on this site I think it isn't that hard to identify NUMPTY as I call him ;)

@NUMPTY the DUMBA$$
Haven't you forgot to add ALL1 to your list???????????

Hmmm..........?

Hemi,

BAFO is a troll and makes rude, off-topic and anti-American comments to make people angry and start fighting.

You will see this in his "I'm right and everyone else here is wrong" attitude. The only cure is to stop caring about his comments.

PS PUTC cannot "break" news like that because it was provided by a source that should not be releasing protected information, or it was stolen. Quite frankly it is not really news because Nissan already confirmed this Navara had nothing to do with the US and Ford said they would be going back to a true compact about a year ago. So there is a little copying going on.

@Jason
I'm curious as to why PUTC hasn't been giving us any new news lately. I don't always expect them to necessarily break news, but every article has been old news, even by PUTC standards. Some of the articles are just rehashes of old articles. This article for example uses the same picture from the article 1 month ago.

^^^
Meant 1 year ago, not 1 month ago.

No news on the Nissan Frontier?

Posted by: Lou_BC | Jun 11, 2014 3:40:38 PM

Nope. Nothing new on the Nissan FRONTIER. Navaros are not Frontiers and have nothing to do with us.

TTAC just broke the news on the next Nissan Frontier.....

typical PUTC..........

...wait for press release

... regurgitate press relese

...abandon investigative journalism

...let trolls ruin the site

Posted by: Lou_BC | Jun 11, 2014 8:03:02 PM

Now you're trolling. It's not proper to troll the editors of this site. Also, data breaching and posting info given by individuals uauthorized to do so is not journalism.

This site could have reported on the revealed Nissan pic, but as already said it's an overseas truck and this is a US truck site. So what's going on overseas is not going to get top billing here.

You'll probably see it tomorrow with a mention of what that was said to that other site and "broke" first, even though the information was received from unscrupulous people.

Hemi,

Some of their stuff is new news and some a little old. When it is something important, they are usually right on it. Like one the big debuts, Silverado, new F-150 and 2013 Ram. I mostly come here for the reviews and testing. So I don't really care if they are "first" with a minor news story. If anyone thinks they can do better, they should try starting their own site. I am serious. Start your own blog. Then we can all critique it.

@Jason
There's still a difference between investigative journalism and "data breaching".

It's quite possible to do investigative journalism in an honest manner. I consider stuff like spy shots to be investigative journalism.

PUTC doesn't release information that is unauthorized. No one is expecting them to anyways, so there's nothing to worry about.

@DeverMike/Paul/Tom Lemon/Greg Baird/TRX4Tom/Dave/Hemi V8/Tom Terrific/sandman 4x4/lautenslager/zveria/Bob/US Truck Driver/Glenn/Jason/Hemi Rampage/smartest truck guy/Maxx/SuperDuty37/Ken/Ron/johnny doe/jim/ALL1/Frank/Idahoe Joe/The Guy/AD/Casey/papa jim/Young Guy/BeeBe/Steve/Chris/The truck guy/Alex/Mr Chow/Yessir/All Americans/Scott/Buy American or say Bye to America/Ram Big Horn 1500/Hemi Monster or whoever you want to call yourself.

Quit the crap, really.

It's getting long in the tooth.

You want to debate, but it has to be on your terms.

Learn to debate with good information, then we might be able to have a decent debate.

Opinions are good, but if they are only your view to support the UAW, then how good are they. Look at what you guys have done to Detroit.

Terror tactics (union tactics) don't work on me.

If PUTC wants the UAW or whatever to control this site I suppose it's their decision.

It's not kids like I've been told by PUTC.

Hemi,

This site usually has all of the spy shots. They may miss some because they cost money to post and they have a small budget to work with. You are right. Photos are not data breaches because the trucks are in public and this is public info...

A look at PUTC competitors:
I just saw a F-450 on TFL Truck. Do I think they are better than PUTC? TFLTruck is worse and their testing is a little unorganized and a lot of what they post is crap. They make good videos that are fun. A poor man's PUTC.

Truck Trend is a huge company through Motor Trend with a bigger budget so I don't tink its fair to compare them. A lot of their stuff is boring and right off the press release just like PUTC.

Maybe PUTC they could do more original reporting. You are right about that. The best sites for investigative stuff will be Detroit News or NYTimes but they have massive budgets and a lot of people working for them. Right now PUTC is still the best truck site I believe and is working on making it better.

@ Jason - the staff of PUTC need to be called out for 2 things - content (or the lack of it) and being too lazy to control trolls.

Doing some digging and research is what one expects from an electronic site. If the sources are not confirmed than it is easy to say that it is unofficial.
TTAC has stories like that all of the time, they even post questions to gauge the readership's opinions. They even allow way off topic discussions.

This biggest problem is trolls and the only reliable way to control it is by reading the blogs. TTAC staff always read blogs and they answer bloggers.

This site has allowed itself to be over-run by stupidity. I don't mind strong opinions totally opposite to mine, I welcome it. This site is dying due to the staff not doing their job.

It was vastly superior under Mike Levine.

@Jason - I do agree that "Right now PUTC is still the best truck site"

but that is like saying the Tacoma is the best small truck........ they get the title because the competition is pathetic.

Lou needs to learn something about ethics and journalism.

TTAC is lacking ethics in a lot of their reporting and reporting of classified info. It's a double edged sword. Pickuptrucks.com could do the same thing and be first in provind a lot of newsworthy info, but would fear retribution by reporting such classified info.

PUTC could resort to spying, or anonymous sources, and report on everything we wanted to know about the 2018 Frontier, but they would face retribution. TTAC doesn't care because they have no ethics and have nothing to lose.

TTAC has been criticized for using anonymous sources, particularly on info that turned out to be made up or unreliable. They are mostly a car site and have been criticized for the poor reporting of material they are not familiar with.

Should PUTC report on the new 2018 "Compact" Frontier with information gatherethered by spies and suppliers giving out classified info that weren't supposed to give this info? Is that ethical?

Would Nissan be in the right to harm PUTC by such as not giving them access to their trucks for testing? Could PUTC face legal issues if they agreed not to release classified info but did it anyway?

At the end of the day, it is not just as simple as who's first or PUTC not doing journalism.

@journalist
I really think you are blowing wind out of your a$$.

Nissan delivered a global press release on the new Navara for public consumption.

As fanciful as you'd like to think you are, what are you?

Not much judging by your incorrect assumptions, based on what?

A limited resource base. Why don't you do some research before passing judgment.

@ journalist - as if you are really a journalist.

Ethics?

Really?

You don't have a clue about ethical decision making.

If you did, you wouldn't be hiding behind a fake name.

@BAFO,

Nissan released info on the new 2015 mid-size Nissan Navaro for overseas.

Not the alleged 2018* compact Frontier for the US that was unauthorized info Lou wanted PUTC to be the first to report.

Start your own blog if you want a foreign truck site or simply get lost.

@Jassoon
They also released the narrow body D23 as well, which will be the "America's" variant.

What you must realise the US tends to only design full size trucks.

I don't have much information regarding what design studio developed the D23. I would of thought Nissan's San Diego studio.

But, it appears Thailand has had a significant input, as always with the current midsizers.

Thailand is the second largest pickup market globally after the US and the largest midsize.

Who really cares if it isn't what YOU think should sell in the US.

There are many out there who have an interest in more than the Big 2 and the 3 foreign US manufacturers.

Remember the pickup isn't US only or vans, SUVs, CUVs etc.

Question:

Why should PUTC be making it a priority to report on overseas trucks? That's not what this site is about. If it's newsworthy overseas info, they'll get to it when they want to.

For the other report started by TTAC on the 2018 US Frontier was unauthorized info. They couldn't report it first even if they wanted to.

You guys seem very confused. Good luck.

@@ journalist - is it ethical to not tell the truth about a vehicle because one is afraid to loose the keys to the press fleet?

TTAC has gone on record that they will not pull their punches.

They have had several of their staff blacklisted. One was blacklisted by Ford for criticizing Lincoln.

Another was chastised for being overly critical of the Chrysler transmission in the Cherokee. You know the one that caused all of them to sit on storage lots waiting to be reprogrammed?

There is a reason why Consumer Reports buys their own test vehicles randomly from car lots all over the USA.

The golden rule in automotive journalism is the caveat - do not bite the hand that feeds you.

Auto journos and car companies have a symbiotic relationship.

If you were really a journalist you'd understand this.

BTW - why isn't Mark Williams challenging or countering what I am saying?

He doesn't read the blogs.

Isn't that showing a lack of interest in the product he wants to sell?

and you probably have zero idea as to which product I am referring to, now do you?

I'll give you two examples - one what to do and what not to do.

On what HEMI MONSTER said, spy photos. Those aren't really spy photos. They are pics of trucks on public roads. This is not insider info and you are legally allowed to publish this.

On the other hand confidential business information needs to be protected and raises many ethical and legal issues. This refers to information whose disclosure may harm the business. Such information may include trade secrets, sales and marketing plans, new product plans, supplier information, etc.

If an employee of a supplier wants to share confidential info on a future product to a blog, there are laws and agreements that prevent that. It also raise a case of ethics. PUTC also signs agreements not to share confidential info, but if you are less reputubale site like TTAC and have no agreements.

Companies make suppliers sign non-disclosure agreements, if an employee if the supplier gives out info, that employee can be fired or held on crimial charges.

If a more reputable site like PUTC posts confidential business info, they can be harmed through loss of business or contacts (no shootouts), and if they signed NDA's or not they can be held on crimial charges or civil charges, etc.

Like I said, at the end of the day, its not a free for all and it is not just as simple as this other site reported confidential supplier info/future product plans so they great, and PUTC is not reporting on Nissan's/GM's/Ford's/Toyota's future product plans so they are bad.

There are ethics and legal challenges that arise in journalis and when sharing confidential business information.

"Speaking with a supplier source, TTAC has learned..."

"TTAC just broke the news on the next Nissan Frontier.....

typical PUTC.............abandon investigative journalism"

Lou, You have a lot to learn about NDA's. Good luck.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-disclosure_agreement

I agree with Hemi Monster that there should be more original reporting and stories in a timely manner. But I disagree with Lou. People or suppliers breaking agreements and giving confidential company info for news stories would be bad and possibly illegal. That stuff is better left not reported or for the rumor boards and shady bloggers.

Someone who thinks that the automakers don't dearly LOVE all the hype surrounding their newest ideas and innovations is nuts.

No amount of advertising budget can buy that sort of market interest. They love it.

Anyone who admits to being a journalist these days surely does so with the understanding that reporters and talking heads enjoy the same kind of public sympathy as car salesmen and politicians, i.e., not much!

"These were the perfect sized trucks. I wish Toyota kept the tundra this size with an efficient engine and rust proof frame."

Exactly that. My 03 never had any significant rust (sold 2 years ago). For personal use, it was just a nice truck. I prefer the more car-like seating position. Ride and handling was great. Today, everyone has coil/struts up front, rack&pinion steering etc. The the fact that the Gen1 was sufficiently different from the American offerings, meant it easily found about 120k customer a year. It didn't have to go toe-to-toe on towing and ball-hair. The 2nd gen Tundra is heavy and has that debatable frame.

"Someone who thinks that the automakers don't dearly LOVE all the hype surrounding their newest ideas and innovations is nuts."

If only it was that simple. They love some of it, but not leaking of future product plans and the timing has to be right for what they do want hyped. That's why a GM Spokesperson for example will say they decline to comment on future products details or are reluctant to comment. Anyone who thinks automakers wants suppliers to spill the beans on future product details is nuts. Otherwise they wouldn't sign NDA's.

Looks like I get to go get a new sensor. Yay.

Maybe they'll at least give me a loaner car

@Jason - and you believe ALL leaked information happens illegally and by accident?

Do you believe that car companies are able to keep complete lids on what they are developing?

Planning new products occurs over 5-6 years. GM was considering an aluminium truck around the same time Ford was in '08/'09. The moment a new truck is released the work on the next gen starts.

TTAC insider information has been accurate. An "insider" for Ford's aluminium supplier had indicated that Ford was having problems forming panels prior to NAIS. Ford subsequently admitted to it.

@papajim - agreed. Integrity and journalism are 2 words that are rarely used together in the same sentence.

And this truck is STILL a thousand times better than any crappy fiat truck.

@ Lou BC "...let trolls ruin the site..."

I agree F$ck'n trolls ruin this site, where are all the lumberjacks like you Lou? Where are they...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b--2VVYLXg

the bottom feeding trolls are at it again..............

the individuals running this site don't care and if you want to kill this site........ go right ahead.

Lou BC is a troll.

@ lou é um fag

lol, This one is more fitting in this site, it has a pickup.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0mMLdm7RgQ

Whatever happened to moderating the comments?

My 2003 Tundra is still doing well at 2,220,000+. I had my airbag sensor checked and all was good. I used this pickup for business, ..Forestry, Logging supervision, for 4-5 years and it has held up well. I am still very happy with the comfort and handling. If the new ones were this same size I would consider a newer model, somewhere down the road. ; > ))