What'll She Do? Ford F-150 Tremor Hits the Drag Strip

Pair at Milan II

By Aaron Bragman

Ford's last performance pickup truck, the F-150 SVT Lightning, was a monster. The last generation sported a supercharged 5.4-liter V-8 engine pumping out 380 horsepower, pushed through the heavy-duty four-speed transmission used in the Super Duty pickups. It could easily keep up with late-1990s Mustang Cobras on race circuit tracks, but the last one rolled off the assembly line a decade ago. Since then Ford's Special Vehicle Team has focused its performance energy on the Raptor, an off-road, street-legal Baja racer that's fun in its own right, but it left the street-performance truck idea alone.

Until the advent of the 2014 F-150 Tremor, that is, which we had a good look at it earlier this year. Recently the opportunity to drive the Tremor on a drag strip presented itself. Who were we to pass it by?

While doing acceleration testing of heavy-duty pickups for our 2014 Ultimate Heavy-Duty Challenge at Milan Dragway in Milan, Mich., we slipped in a few runs in a new 2014 Tremor as well. OK, maybe more than just a few runs, but can you blame us? What would you do with your own drag strip for a day if you had a truck like this?

Conditions were just about perfect: 75 degrees and mostly sunny with a clean drag strip that got to about 114 degrees later in the day. Myself and Cars.com editor Joe Bruzek took turns throwing the twin-turbocharged Tremor down the track (sometimes against another truck that showed up — the $29,000, Hemi-powered Ram 1500 Express) just to see what she'll do.

Launching the Tremor is tricky. Leaving the traction control on means no brake-torqueing — any wheel slip will trigger the system, cutting engine power and bogging the launch. Switching the traction control off to brake-torque the transmission to build a little boost can result in overpowering everything, leading to massive axle hop and a scrubbed launch. I found the best technique was to switch off the traction control, switch on the electronic locking differential (which works only below 20 mph), brake-torque to about 2,000 rpm to build boost and use the brake like a clutch on launch to carefully but quickly pull away. That technique netted me my best time of 14.56 seconds at 93.5 mph, with a reaction time of 0.019. Not bad, but Bruzek thought he could do better — and he did.

 

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He staged shallow, switched off the traction control and switched on the electronic locking rear differential, brake-torqued just a bit to build some boost — and just when he let off the brake, gave the gas a quick stab to settle the drivetrain and tighten everything up for the launch. The result was the best time of the day: 14.42 seconds at 94.5 mph.

Comparisons are going to be made with the old Lightning, and they are indeed interesting. The twin-turbo EcoBoost V-6 in the Tremor makes 365 hp, which is just 5 hp more than what the 1999 Lightning made at its debut, and 15 less than when it was discontinued in 2004. It outguns the Tremor in torque too, which makes 420 pounds-feet to the Lightning's more robust 450. The Lightning made do with a four-speed automatic, while the Tremor has a six-speed, but the Tremor's lower 4.10:1 rear-end gear is more aggressive than the Lightning's standard 3.55:1 gear. Most interesting: at 5,120 pounds, the two-wheel-drive Tremor is nearly 500 pounds heavier than the old Lightning, so its power-to-weight ratio is less favorable at 14.02 pounds per hp versus 12.24 for the Lightning. The Lightning typically ran the quarter mile in the mid-13-second range, proving that weight still remains a speed killer no matter how much boost you're running.

But how did the Tremor stack up against the Hemi V-8-powered Ram 1500 Express? The cheapest V-8-powered truck in America sported 30 more horsepower than the Tremor at 395 hp, but was down 10 pound-feet of torque. It also featured a six-speed automatic, but a 3.92:1 final drive ratio, better on the highway but a disadvantage in the quarter mile. At 4,729 pounds, it's nearly 400 pounds lighter than the Tremor — its power-to-weight ratio checks in at 11.97 pounds per hp. Approaching the traps at the end of the strip, however, the Tremor was still pulling strong while the Ram was breathing hard. Time and again, the Tremor outran the Ram down the drag strip — but just barely, never finishing more than three-quarters of a truck-length ahead of the Ram. And at nearly $14,000 less than the Tremor, you're left with a lot of coin left to spend on more go-fast parts or a nicer interior. Kind of explains why the Express is a crazy-popular package for the Ram 1500, while the Tremor remains fairly rare.

Ford's Tremor shows what's possible with a strong turbo engine in a "smaller" pickup. You can't get the EcoBoost engine in the short-wheelbase, short-bed, regular-cab model in any other trim configuration. But for $43,000 and change ($46,000-plus for the 4x4 model), one expects more to have been done. A sport exhaust would be nice or some more aggressive tuning on the turbochargers to play up that whooshing turbo glory. One also expects more amenities for this price, such as standard automatic climate control and power passenger seat. Whether you choose the Tremor or the sporty Ram competitor (with crank windows no less) will likely come down to whether you're cool with turbo whoosh or prefer a rumbling bass.

Cars.com images by Aaron Bragman, Evan Sears, Kent Sundling

 

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Tremore engine II

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Red Ram Express burnout II

 

 

 

 

Comments

The plan offered by Sens. Chris Murphy, D-Conn., and Bob Corker, R-Tenn., would raise the 18.4 cents-a-gallon federal gas tax and 24.4 cents-a-gallon diesel tax each by 12 cents over the next two years, and then index the taxes to keep pace with inflation. The increase would be applied in two increments of 6 cents each....

(This would be in addtion to states like PA who just raised state taxes on gas to more than 25 CENTS per gallon!)

This shoots down BAFO the big govn't satist.

STATIST

@Tom#3/JR
I'm a statist?

How do you arrive at this? It's obvious you arrive at this the same way you arrived at your revenue figure on fuel tax, straight out of you assend.

You know what else??

Star Wars is an documented history that actually occurred. You'd believe that I suppose along with Peter Rabbit.

So, judging by the time in the US, you ain't in the US, are you? You seem to comment around the same time everyday ;)

So, if you aren't an American why are you trolling on PUTC as an American?? You are similar to an illegal immigrant.

You obviously are a real loser.

@DenverMike
Are you spinning and trolling again?

A Colorado can carry 3 080lbs.

What does a 2013 Ford F-250SRW 4x4 172.4"wb carry? 3 020lbs.

http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2013_SuperDuty_Specs.pdf

So Mr UAW, I gave a link.

Also, DenverDunce, interpret what I have written, don't put spin on it and troll like a loser.

Before you answer research and read what a person writes and don't try and take this out of context again.

Remember, this issue is what started your Denverdumbass multi posts.

You are one full of $hit individual.

I'm having trouble sending this blog, so it might appear a couple of times, sorry.

I do think full size pickups will become less prevalent.

The cost of aluminium full size 1/2 ton pickups will force customers into alternative vehicles. The business man will buy more of the Euro style vans. The 3 litre diesel's offer acceptable performance and superior FE.

The recreational buyer will move towards medium SUVs, CUVs,vans and pickups. I know someone will use towing as an argument. But even the Grand Cherokee will tow 7 700lbs. This is far more than most will ever use a vehicle for towing.

GM has hedged itself with the Colorado/Canyon, because it realises the additional cost of an aluminium 1/2 ton pickup will make them less attractive.

Toyota and Nissan will have 'sort of' half ton pickups that will be a Class 3 truck. I do think that Toyota and Nissan will rely on the Frontier/Tacoma to take on the Big 2 and Fiat full size 1/2 ton pickup.

V8s are slowly going the way of the dodo.

There's one significant issue I have about him calculating the difference between the diesel and the V8 Fiat Ram. That is the additional tax levied against a vehicle that doesn't meet CAFE. Even the Chev SS is reportedly 'taxed' over $1 500 because it misses the CAFE mandated FE target.

How much will a large V8 pickup be charged? More than a couple of grand? This also makes diesel cheaper.

EVs and Hybrids will always be more expensive than diesel unless the government keeps up the subsidies. But when the subsidies go how much will they cost?

Diesel is the future. Like I've stated for years.

I'm having trouble sending this blog, so it might appear a couple of times, sorry.

I do think full size pickups will become less prevalent.

The cost of aluminium full size 1/2 ton pickups will force customers into alternative vehicles. The business man will buy more of the Euro style vans. The 3 litre diesel's offer acceptable performance and superior FE.

The recreational buyer will move towards medium SUVs, CUVs,vans and pickups. I know someone will use towing as an argument. But even the Grand Cherokee will tow 7 700lbs. This is far more than most will ever use a vehicle for towing.

GM has hedged itself with the Colorado/Canyon, because it realises the additional cost of an aluminium 1/2 ton pickup will make them less attractive.

Toyota and Nissan will have 'sort of' half ton pickups that will be a Class 3 truck. I do think that Toyota and Nissan will rely on the Frontier/Tacoma to take on the Big 2 and Fiat full size 1/2 ton pickup.

V8s are slowly going the way of the dodo.

There's one significant issue I have about him calculating the difference between the diesel and the V8 Fiat Ram. That is the additional tax levied against a vehicle that doesn't meet CAFE. Even the Chev SS is reportedly 'taxed' over $1 500 because it misses the CAFE mandated FE target.

How much will a large V8 pickup be charged? More than a couple of grand? This also makes diesel cheaper.

EVs and Hybrids will always be more expensive than diesel unless the government keeps up the subsidies. But when the subsidies go how much will they cost?

Diesel is the future. Like I've stated for years.

@Tom#3/JR/TED;)
So, you are numpty the dumb f4ck multi-poster.

Boy, I'll be.

So, papa jim, I'm a Statist.

You'd be the only one to come up with that one.

Still angry over the fact that we in all of the OECD economies are governed and controlled by regulations?

Hmm.........

Like I told you. We wouldn't be where we are now if we didn't abide and use those regulatory controls.

But, like most things in life they can be used as instruments that have undesirable side effects, ie, the "poulet impot". Have you brushed up on "la langue française?"

Big Al
I was just getting bored of reading the same repeated over and over again comments you make and I started a new comment knowing it would receive excitement unlike the boring drivel you repeat-repeat-repeat over and over again.
I was wrong, I admit it, but a least I steered the conversation a different way.
here is a new one:

June 19, 2014 JD Power just rated the 2014 F-150 as its top full size pickup in quality.
Truck Trend Magazine

@Tom#3 and your other personas.,
Why are you going around under so many names and disrupting this site??

So, if you don't like my commentary why disrupt a site?

What do you hope to achieve??

You are a real loser.

So, if you don't like my commentary why disrupt a site?

@Big Al

You don't simply make comments, Al, you filibuster the entire conversation or at least try to. No other point of view is tolerated. If facts are in short supply, you simply make up a few.

Is there anyone on this site apart from your near-constant companion Jeff S, who wants more of it.

I actually think you'd go into convulsions if you had to go cold turkey and not post for 24 hours.

@papa jim--You are too much, I have not even commented on this article and you have to start in. Go back to you isolationism and one size fits all economic ideas of the 1950's. If I had a time machine I would send you back to the 50's. I would rather live with the present and deal with it.

@DeverMike/Paul/Tom Lemon/Greg Baird/TRX4Tom/Dave/Hemi V8/Tom Terrific/sandman 4x4/lautenslager/zveria/Bob/US Truck Driver/Glenn/Jason/Hemi Rampage/smartest truck guy/Maxx/SuperDuty37/Ken/Ron/johnny doe/jim/ALL1/Frank/Idahoe Joe/The Guy/AD/Casey/papa jim/Young Guy/BeeBe/Steve/Chris/The truck guy/Alex/Mr Chow/Yessir/All Americans/Scott/Buy American or say Bye to America/Ram Big Horn 1500/Hemi Monster/Tom Wilkinson at Chevy or whoever you want to call yourself.

Quit the crap, really.

It's getting long in the tooth.

You want to debate, but it has to be on your terms.

Learn to debate with good information, then we might be able to have a decent debate.

Opinions are good, but if they are only your view to support the UAW, then how good are they. Look at what you guys have done to Detroit.

Terror tactics (union tactics) don't work on me.

If PUTC wants the UAW or whatever to control this site I suppose it's their decision.

It's not kids like I've been told by PUTC.

Speed or no speed I had to pass a test here in Canada before they would let me drive the new EcoDiesel. It is basically a personality test. If you that find yourself in this situation here is what I answered…it seemed to work for me until they called security:

• Yes my stereo speakers used to belong to the Drive-in Theater.
•I read the Auto Trader with a highlight pen.
•You have been kicked out of the zoo for heckling the monkeys.
•Yes the French Riviera is foreign car.
•The primary color of my truck is bondo.
•Jack Daniels made my list of most admired people.
•My wife's hairdo has been ruined by a ceiling fan.
•I consider a six-pack and a bug-zapper high-quality entertainment.
•I’ve refused to watch the Academy Awards since "Smokey and the Bandit" was snubbed for best picture.
•The diploma hanging in my den contains the words "Trucking Institute".
•Yes my wife keeps a spit cup on the ironing board.
Hope this helps

Hit up Livernois Motorsports for a tuner for the EB and you'll see boost go from 14 lbs to 22 lbs. That way when it breaks, you will want to remove your tuner flash. Bad enough they gave Sandman 4x4 grief over a cold air intake, when his head gaskets crapped out.

Yeah, that Ecoboost is real tough, between head gaskets, and inter cooler fiasco, and also trimming chain issues, you want to add something more to it? Not to mention Fords short warranty at only 60k miles. Yup, that Ecoboost will take off, right to the dealer, then you get to argue with Ford about fixing it, repeatedly, then in no time you will be looking for something else.

@Josh: thanks for correcting me on the Ford gears, I knew it was up there in the 4 s, a Ford advantage, one that had Ford cool-aid drinkers think a 5.0 has more power then a 5.7 Hemi, lol! Nope, they had a gear advantage, it's gone now though. But we still have reference to the Car and Driver test which pitted a 3.42 Silvy a 3.31 Ford to a 3.21 geared Ram that had well more options then the other two, making it heavier.

The 3.21 geared Ram torque convertor must be a low stall quick to lock design.

^timming chain, not trimming

You take one perfectly good article and commentary, add 1 BAFO and POOF!!!

TRX4-Tom makes a good point: if you want a reliable, powerful, sport pickup with a FACTORY warranty--better go with a supercharged Tundra! :)

BAFO has gone crazy.

In other news, F-150 reclaims the J.D. Power quality award:
http://tinyurl.com/nnsu8mc

@ Chris B.,

Quit the crap, really.

It's getting long in the tooth.

You want to debate, but it has to be on your terms.

Learn to debate with good information, then we might be able to have a decent debate.

Opinions are good, but if they are only your view to support the UAW, then how good are they. Look at what you guys have done to Detroit.

Terror tactics (union tactics) don't work on me.

If PUTC wants the UAW or whatever to control this site I suppose it's their decision.

It's not kids like I've been told by PUTC.

To enlighten some, here is an interesting article.

It will give you an idea where my ideals are located.

It might surprise you, but I don't believe in all of the tenets in the link, but many.

I'm a true believer in freedom, capitalism, but most importantly I believe that the people should decide, not lobbyist from the left or right.

So, I really don't give a damn what the vehicle manufacturers want or the UAW for that matter. I give a damn about what the consumer will want. Without others influencing the direction of change and progress for their own ends.

At the end of the day I don't mind that our utes are gone, as we have a good replacement that the consumer wants. My view is the same for full size pickups.

It's not that I really care about full size pickups. Something will replace them eventually. What replaces them will be superior. Pickups replaced the horse and cart.

So the next time you try and compartmentalise me, make sure you do know where I stand. I'm not really left or right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_liberalism

@Big Al,

So, you go from lecturing us to giving us homework to do. Your impulses are very authoritarian--which has nothing at all to do with real liberalism.

Modern liberalism is a lie. Real liberalism is the creed of Thomas Jefferson and his co-patriots.

Your so called liberalism is just an affair for bureaucrats and office holders, not real liberals.

As with Big Al to enlighten some, here is an interesting video.

It will give you an idea where my ideals are located....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc

@Big Al - "Without others influencing the direction of change and progress for their own ends..."

Speaking about their own "ends" have you seen this....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9ND2Ru0eNg

@Big Al--You are talking to guys who cannot comprehend a world without a full size truck with a 300 plus horsepower V-8. There very identity revolves around these trucks and their favorite brand. The mere threat of change or disappearance of these trucks would threaten their manhood. It will take many years for a total change to occur in the truck market as it did for the full size American land yacht car. I remember there were those who felt the same about those big old boats with their red velour interiors. The full size pickup will definitely change especially the 2015 F-150 with the aluminum body and the next Silverado. The changes to the full size pickups will evolutionary and not revolutionary in that they will change with each new model introduced. By the time these trucks would completely change most of us will not be buying them.

@Jeff S - "By the time these trucks would completely change most of us will not be buying them..."

Up-date to Jeff's post, Jeff was right he didn't buy another truck....but he did buy the farm!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAg1Y5PdLRg

Good bye Jeff...Good bye!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpZ3jPMM5Ac

Interesting article Big Al but we do not have pure Economic Liberalism nor have we ever had it. I don't disagree with the concepts but I doubt it will ever happen. We are more capitalistic and somewhat socialistic but were have never been completely for free competition. Many think that capitalism is free enterprise but they are not the same. They don't teach history anymore in schools so many have never heard of the Robber Barons.

@not the real Lou BC--Goodbye to you as well. I didn't buy the farm, I am still around and i own a farm. You should stop hiding behind others user names.

Glad to see a v6 beat the mighty hemi. Glad to see Ford doing it. As far as problems with the Ecoboost go I have friends who drive them and they are rock solid so far and these guys ain't easy on trucks. I love Ford but the Ecoboost is just not for me. I love the sound of my V8. I would however own one instead of that POS ram. Been there and done that before. What a nightmare that POS ram was. Never again.

@Jeff S - Interesting thought, but no, full-size V8 pickups will be here long after we've all "bought the farm". Never mind the general pop, Big industry depends on/loves full-size V8 pickups too much. Way too much! The oil industry alone. Plus mining, forestry, utilities, highway, etc. That's all North America/Mexico and beyond.

It was a totally different story with big boat cars/huge station wagons disappearing. Those upset by this add to the full-size V8 pickup market.

And millions of small business owners (including in Mexico and beyond) love their ability to accomplish tons of work and get home early (as opposed to anything else) and double as the family car, RV, sport truck, off road, The Home Depot, yard/farm/ranch chores, dump runs, etc.

It's safe to say we're addicted. But why fight it? And to the trolls that hate this and shall remain nameless (Vulpine, DWFields, RoadWhale, BAF0), $U₵K ON IT, this is AMERICA!!!

Hi Jeff, I heard you were back...just listening to your blog...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZhnXhSd3a8

BTW - I'll stop hiding behind fake names,

Regards

Tom#3

Can't believe a v6 beat a hemi. No guts or glory.
Have YOU driven a Ford lately.lol

And I thought ford fans were dellusional, ram fans have totally lost it and have proven just how hillbilly ignorant they are. Ram fans are like butt uglyccheerleaders cheering for ram. Every day it's the same crap over and over and over.

Ram, NO GUTS AND NO GLORY.

GM'S 6.2 liter is the most powerful V-8 engine period. It kicks everyone's ass. Suck on that ram fans.

@ Lou_BC

Quit the crap, really.

It's getting long in the tooth.

You want to debate, but it has to be on your terms.

Learn to debate with good information, then we might be able to have a decent debate.

Opinions are good, but if they are only your view to support the UAW, then how good are they. Look at what you guys have done to Detroit.

Terror tactics (union tactics) don't work on me.

If PUTC wants the UAW or whatever to control this site I suppose it's their decision.

It's not kids like I've been told by PUTC.

When you buy these trucks fuel consumption is the last thing on your mind!

@Jeff S,
I do think you are correct that there will probably never be a true free market economy.

But, we can move away from the corporate welfare which is causing a lot of debt and reduced competition.

This will eventually occur a reduction in protectionism and subsidies.

It's also a pity some don't understand the term liberalism.

I do suppose some can't comprehend what liberal economics is. It might mean they are more accountable for their actions or inactions.

@Big Al, @Jeff S

So, have you guys picked a date yet? Why not?

Attitudes have changed. You don't have to slip around in the dark anymore if you really want to be together.

@ papa jim

Quit the crap, really.

It's getting long in the tooth.

You want to debate, but it has to be on your terms.

Learn to debate with good information, then we might be able to have a decent debate.

Opinions are good, but if they are only your view to support the UAW, then how good are they. Look at what you guys have done to Detroit.

Terror tactics (union tactics) don't work on me.

If PUTC wants the UAW or whatever to control this site I suppose it's their decision.

It's not kids like I've been told by PUTC

@papa jim--Have you come out of the closet yet?

@Denver Mike--I didn't say that the V-8 motors will completely disappear there will be less of them and the full size half ton pickups might be not as big and as heavy as they are now. The trend for Ford and Ram are more V-6s and the number of choices in V-8s might only be one. The muscle cars have not entirely disappeared but there are fewer of them as with full size sedans. There probably will be more price difference between trucks than cars and crossovers because they do not share a platform and they will be more expensive to make. My comparison with the large cars of the past is that they changed but they did not disappear. The Chrysler 300, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Chevy Impala, Chevy SS, and Buick Lacross are today's full size cars but they are not as large and more fuel efficient (they also have more horsepower). Truck buyers will pay a much larger premium for a full size pickup with a V-8 and there will not be as many in the future. Those that want and need trucks will always buy them but they will not be as popular among the suburbanites.

Also companies like Chrysler will be challenged with balancing there product line in order to sell more fuel efficient vehicles in order to sell Rams and Jeeps which are more profitable. Chrysler will be much harder hit with penalties. Ford and GM will be challenged as well to sell more smaller cars, but they at least have more fuel efficient vehicles in their product lines. There will be some deals for those who want smaller more fuel efficient cars because the average fuel efficiency will have to be raised to meet the standards. Toyota and Honda have much less pressure than Ford, GM, and Chrysler.

Wow! That was... uh.... underwhelming to say the least.

Spanked by a decade old truck, and only barely eeked out a win against a truck that is probably a lot more fun to drive and WAYYYY cheaper, not impressed, not even a little.

@Dav: but that supercharged Tundra comes at what price? Five or six grand extra? Well at least it has a warranty, as opposed to the people putting on the tuners. And when the dealerships find out that he had a tuner on there, they throw a fit because the dealership won't pay for their parts. Then they start making up stuff, or they start blaming the truck manufacturer, who ever it might be, and they say "that thing was such a POS, we put a tuner and every part we could find in the JC Whitney catalog on it.

But really, does anybody do a review on the Toyota Tundra with the supercharger? You just don't see it much? Is it really hard to come by?

You got a love the Ford fan boys that want to sit here and say "good to see a v-six beat a Hemi.

They are too blind to observe that the Ford needs the 4.10 gear ratio (don't tell me it's not faster, if Ford built it and tested it don't you think they would know which would be quicker?) and, they have to compare it to a Ram that has the older six speed transmission which we've known for years held the Ram back.

They are just lucky that Ram has not built a 1500 R/T with the eight speed and really it wouldn't need the 4.10 gears that the older RT's have. 3.55 gears have done pretty well, well at least they pretty much whooped the Ford in that last light-duty challenge, and the Ford had 373's I do believe right? All that one contest, which I believe was 0 to 60 with a load in the back. All the other ones, like towing a trailer, that eco-boost just couldn't live up to the hype. And then Mark Williams had to give one win to Ford, because it got to the certain speed at the same time as the Ram, but covered a shorter distance, so he took it upon himself to decide that it was better to cover a shorter distance in the same time, as opposed to a longer distance in the same time. Yeah, Mark wanted Ford to really win. Too bad they totally got out-towed in that event.

Now that Ram has the gearing advantage that the Chevrolet and Ford and Toyota pukes have had, and it misled them into thinking their engines out powered the Hemi, they go boo–going and do comparisons like this.

But really, this is all good fun, but is not the biggest deal for me as a truck buyer in the future. My 1970 340 Dodge Dart Swinger 4 speed bone stock will run the same time these trucks do, and way faster now that it's modified. Heck, my Dodge Daytona with its turbocharged 2.2 L will out run these trucks, and do it on a very small fraction of what you pay for that expensive Ford, which by the way somebody pointed out that the Ford was fancier. Yes, but not everybody wants to have all that fancy frills and stuff.

@Jeff S
Round and around and around and around we go
Oh now tell me now tell me now tell me now you know
Not really sure how to feel about it.
Something in the way you move
Makes me feel like I can't live without you
It takes me all the way.
I want you to stayyyyyyyyyyyy

Ooh, ooh, ooh, the reason I hold on
Ooh, ooh, ooh, 'cause I need this hole gone
Funny you're the broken one but I'm the only one who needed saving
'Cause when you never see the light it's hard to know which one of us is caving.

Not really sure how to feel about it.
Something in the way you move
Makes me feel like I can't live without you.
It takes me all the way.
I want you to stay, stayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.
I want you to stay, oh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF8BRvqGCNs

The Ford is a little down on horsepower.
According to Wallace racing computors, from the ET it shows to be making 337.9 HP @ the flywheel & 303.74 @ the rear wheel.

By the MPH, 346.02 @ the flywheel & 311.42 A the rear wheel.

You didn't give the Dodge numbers to see what it was putting out.

GUTS

GLORY

KING OF THE DRAG TRACK

KING OF EVERYTHING

RAM TRUCKS

@ TRX-4 Tom

Quit the crap, really.

It's getting long in the tooth.

You want to debate, but it has to be on your terms.

Learn to debate with good information, then we might be able to have a decent debate.

Opinions are good, but if they are only your view to support the UAW, then how good are they. Look at what you guys have done to Detroit.

Terror tactics (union tactics) don't work on me.

If PUTC wants the UAW or whatever to control this site I suppose it's their decision.

It's not kids like I've been told by PUTC


@DenverMike
Are you spinning and trolling again?

A Colorado can carry 3 080lbs.

What does a 2013 Ford F-250SRW 4x4 172.4"wb carry? 3 020lbs.

http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2013_SuperDuty_Specs.pdf

So Mr UAW, I gave a link.

Also, DenverDunce, interpret what I have written, don't put spin on it and troll like a loser.

Before you answer research and read what a person writes and don't try and take this out of context again.

Remember, this issue is what started your Denverdumbass multi posts.

You are one full of $hit individual.

@Alan
I'm so ashmed of you. I agreed to let you live in my basement with the expectation that you would be putting your time to good use. Shame on you!

Just pay the extra 500 for the 8 speed, or pay 6-7 grand less and get a nicely equipped regular cab Sport that comes with 8 speed, and write a message on the tailgate, because with the 8 speed, all that overpriced Blue Oval special will see is tailgate.

@Michigan Bob: does the 6.2 GM even come in a regular cab? I don't think so? And I believe it only comes in the higher trim models, correct? Plus you get to run expensive premium gas in it, yep thanks for bringing up the point you got to spend more money to get the 6.2.

Checks coming for owners of Ford vehicles with wrong m.p.g. labels.

Ford will start mailing checks at the end of June to 215,000 owners of Ford and Lincoln vehicles that were sold with inaccurate fuel economy ratings.

Customers do not need to contact the automaker. The payment is automatic, said Ford spokesman Said Deep.

Last week, Ford said it had applied test data incorrectly, which resulted in inflated fuel economy claims for six models

http://www.freep.com/article/20140617/BUSINESS0102/306170099/1204/BUSINESS01/Checks-coming-owners-Ford-vehicles-wrong-m-p-g-labels



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