2015 Ford Transit: First Drive
By Aaron Bragman
It's not every day that an automaker retires an icon, but that's exactly what's happening at Ford as the company starts the process of putting the American-style E-Series commercial vans out to pasture in favor of something new: the European-style Transit commercial van.
The E-Series has dominated the North American market for decades, but the Transit can claim the same bragging rights; it's been a mainstay of European roads for almost as long. Now the Transit comes to America, bringing with it a revolution in how commercial vehicles are going to be used, with an accessibility and price that previous Euro-vans like the Mercedes-Benz Sprinter haven't been able to match. We recently had a brief spin in a variety of Transits at Ford's Dearborn Development Center at the company's headquarters in suburban Detroit, and the van left us surprised.
The Transit will bring a number of variants to the U.S. market, with a choice of three lengths, three roof heights, two wheelbases and four body styles. They present significant advantages over the current E-Series: Gone is the body-on-frame truck design of the current E-Series, replaced by the Transit's stronger unibody construction. Three new powertrains are offered as well: A 3.7-liter V-6 is standard, while the turbocharged 3.5-liter EcoBoost V-6 and turbodiesel 3.2-liter PowerStroke five-cylinder engines are optional. All are mated to a six-speed automatic transmission that drives the rear wheels.
The new configurations present some advantages over the current E-Series. For instance, the Transit's naturally aspirated 3.7-liter V-6 makes more horsepower than the outgoing 4.6-liter or 5.4-liter V-8 engines in the E-Series, while getting 19 percent better fuel economy than the 4.6-liter engine, according to Ford. The turbocharged 3.5-liter EcoBoost engine gets a whopping 46 percent better fuel economy than the outgoing optional V-10 engine in the E-Series. These will translate into measurable fuel-cost savings for fleet operators. You can even downsize in terms of the vehicle you buy — the payload of the new Transit 150 is greater than the payload of the old E250, meaning you can get a cheaper vehicle that does the work of the more expensive, less-efficient older model. At the other end of the range, the biggest, longest Transit cargo van has 75 percent more room than the biggest E-Series, Ford says. That's a massive increase in ability that could allow some fleets to replace two vans with one.
Climbing into the Transit is a different experience than hopping into an E-Series. It's a step up for sure, but once in place the view outside is expansive through the deep windshield. It's not quite the panoramic view that the Mercedes-Benz Sprinter provides with its higher windshield, but it's significantly better than the Ram ProMaster, which has a low roof that makes it difficult to see stoplights when stopped at them. Seating position is comfortable, with a horizontal dash that is made of acceptable-quality material for a commercial truck. The big, supportive seats felt like they'd be comfortable on longer trips thanks to strategic bolstering. Gauges are big and easy to read, and all controls are within easy reach of the driver.
All three powertrains move the Transit with acceptable speed. Our test vehicles were loaded to about half-payload capacity, according to Ford. That's about the average weight most users will see on a daily basis. The base 3.7-liter V-6 makes 275 hp and 260 pounds-feet of torque; it's rumbly and decently strong, moving the Transit through traffic without any issue.
Buyers requiring more towing or hauling ability will want to step up to one of the two optional engines, however. The turbocharged 3.5-liter EcoBoost V-6 makes 310 hp and 400 pounds-feet of torque and is the more entertaining of the trio. Never at a loss for power, this is the modern equivalent of the big V-8 engine, and it delivers torque such that you'll never miss the old V-8. Both V-6 engines get the same fuel economy of 14/19/16 mpg city/highway/combined.
For a little more efficiency and a more usable torque curve for hauling duty, there's the optional turbodiesel 3.2-liter inline-five-cylinder, making just 185 hp but 350 pounds-feet of torque, with 90 percent of that torque available between 1,500 and 2,500 rpm. Of the three powertrains, the EcoBoost turbo is the most responsive and easiest to drive, given its usable power and rapid turbo response, but none of the powertrains are lacking.
Compared to the Sprinter's two diesel engines, the Transit feels about on par, diesel-to-diesel, and definitely stronger when considering the powerful EcoBoost motor. The Transit powertrains stack up well versus the Ram ProMaster too; none of the trucks in this segment feel underpowered or lacking oomph. The differences between them come in how they ride, handle and drive. Who knew there could be such differences between European-style vans? But there are, and considerable ones too.
The Mercedes-Benz Sprinter rides and drives like a big SUV. It's amazingly easy to drive, has composed highway manners and is highly comfortable and decently efficient. The Ram ProMaster is the exact opposite; it's extremely awkward, tippy and insecure, with a seating position and downward slanting dashboard that makes it feel like braking too hard would send you tumbling over the dash and through the windshield. The Transit rides somewhere in the middle: Its handling is surefooted; it doesn't feel tippy like the ProMaster, and its brakes are strong and firm like the Sprinter. Steering is heavier than in the Sprinter, however, requiring noticeable effort in the heavy-duty models like the Transit 350. That heft contributes to the sense of stability, but also can get a bit tiresome at lower speeds.
Overall, our initial doubts about whether buyers would accept the European-style Transit over the traditional American-style E-Series have lessened considerably after a first exposure to the van. It's better in so many ways than the old E-Series that for some buyers it will feel like a revelation. It offers a host of electronic safety options as well, including lane keep assist, rear parking sensors, a trailer hitch assist camera and the world's first five-row side curtain airbag that protects every single row in a 15-passenger bus in a side-impact collision. Ford's full Sync system is available, including a touch-screen with navigation, web-connected streaming music apps and more. You can equip a Transit with as much technology as you can equip just about any other vehicle in Ford's lineup.
Pricing is not out of line with the current E-Series, either. The starting price for the Transit 150 is $30,560, while an E150 cargo van will start at $29,595. The Transit is slightly more expensive than a $29,625 Ram ProMaster 1500, but considerably less than the $36,915 for the cheapest Mercedes-Benz Sprinter. You can option up these trucks to astonishing prices, however, with each of the manufacturers offering in-house customization through selected partnerships with verified upfitters. The Transit is also offered in 250 and 350 versions, with correspondingly higher payloads and towing options. It is on sale now at Ford dealerships around the country.
Cars.com photos by Aaron Bragman, Mark Williams
Comments
WGAF ?
Well at least it looks better then a Pro Master.
The E series 2500 was perfect for for A/C Heating trade. Can't figure why Ford would kill a vehicle that was the leader in the segment. Or was it the wonderful government with it's infinite knowledge of what we need.
@Mark
You are spot on about that Promasters roof being too low. I got to sit inside one of those things at the last industrial work convention I had to attend for work. I thought the same thing when sitting in it. I didn't see this Transit there to compare, but it is nice to know there us a difference. We have a few of the smaller Transit Connect vans at work and none of my drivers like driving them. They are really small and they guys say they feel a bit.....uhm.....gay driving them. We also had quit a bit more issues mechanically and electronically with those two vans than the almost non existent issues with our fleet of F150s. Those two small Transit Connects are always at the dealer with issues. I am hoping this bigger Transit will be a different story. From the looks of it and from what I have been hearing, it will.
Another Vans.com article, how about some SUV articles. At least some of those are body on frame and family friendly.
I suppose I could live in one of those down by the river...
The Transit is better for the HVAC trade because there are a broader range of choices, a lot more payload and cargo space, and 25% to 50% better fuel economy. As for height the low roof Transit is lower than the E Series but the Transit has .5" more interior cargo height. With 3 different lengths and 3 diferent heights and it allows fleets to customize to the right size.
E series: 84.8 high, rear cargo door height 53.9
Transit regular roof: 83.2 high, 56.9 cargo height.
For parking in under ground garages, the Transit is lower in height but gives more inside height.
It's a no brainer.
@Bruce
It is because a Van is basically a covered truck. By definition, a truck is a vehicle designed to transport cargo or material. Well, so is a Van which means it falls into a subcategory of a truck, and Vans are also rated as a Light Duty Truck by US DOT standards.
SUVs, or OSWs(Over-sized Station Wagons) as I call them, are designed to carry people. Some can be used to carry cargo or material, but for the most part hey are for people hauling.
So by its pure definition and intended purpose, vans belong on this site more than OSW's(SUV's to you) do.
Plus there is really no other site covering cargo vans and it was put up to vote by the readers that PUTC would cover cargo vans. If you want to read about SUVs or OSWs there are hundreds of other sites that cover that.
Let me rephrase what I said above. A van designed to carry cargo or material is considered a light to medium duty truck, a van designed to carry people is a wagon, and a mini van is in a whole other category.
All1 This is PICKUP trucks.com not trucks.com or Vans.com. Also I've owned full size vans, passenger versions and they were all considered Vans, you can take the seats out and haul cargo just like a cargo van and they where all truck based. I'm not arguing that full size Vans can't be considered a truck especially the Body on Frame models. My point is that most people on this site are truck enthusiasts and/or buy rucks for recreational use IE hauling or towing. Most people will cross shop pickups and full size SUV's, or even passenger vans when I comes time to buy a vehicle to haul the family boat. If they want to cover work trucks then why is it that every pickup they test is a fully loaded crew cab? We rarely see reviews on work truck model regular cab truck or stiped extended cabs, but we see it with these economy vans.
Eurovans make more sense.
So do European pickup trucks. When are we going to see those?
Oh that's right. Never.
I own a promaster and agree that the transit it better and more comfortable but to get a high roof in the ford you have to get the long model unlike in the ram. Also ram has 100k power train warranty.
Transit is light years ahead of a couple decade old e series van , please spare us the " doesn't make sense to stop the e series"
@DeverMike/Paul/Tom Lemon/Greg Baird/TRX4Tom/Dave/Hemi V8/Tom Terrific/sandman 4x4/lautenslager/zveria/Bob/US Truck Driver/Glenn/Jason/Hemi Rampage/smartest truck guy/Maxx/SuperDuty37/Ken/Ron/johnny doe/jim/ALL1/Frank/Idahoe Joe/The Guy/AD/Casey/papa jim/Young Guy/BeeBe/Steve/Chris/The truck guy/Alex/Mr Chow/Yessir/All Americans/Scott/Buy American or say Bye to America/Ram Big Horn 1500/Hemi Monster/Tom Wilkinson at Chevy/mark49/Tom#3/Truck Crazy/carilloskis or whoever you want to call yourself.
Quit the crap, really.
It's getting long in the tooth.
You want to debate, but it has to be on your terms.
Learn to debate with good information, then we might be able to have a decent debate.
Opinions are good, but if they are only your view to support the UAW, then how good are they. Look at what you guys have done to Detroit.
Terror tactics (union tactics) don't work on me.
If PUTC wants the UAW or whatever to control this site I suppose it's their decision.
It's not kids like I've been told by PUTC.
I found a perfect site for those looking for SUV news. http://www.vroomgirls.com/
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
@PUTC
Is this Van Story supposed to get me through the weekend? I'm jonesin' for a real truck story. Wimpy vans?
An Ode to the European-Style Transit:
Oh, Ford.
How I love your hard plastic interior.
And the warm wonderful nights you spent getting built in dead broke Detroit.
The taste of your airbags brings significant advantages over the current POS E-Series.
The most amazing feeling of your discounted factory installed tires
Just gently kissing the corroded steel rims.
And oh, that gorgeous brown smoke coming out of your muffler.
You leave no need for style.
Fix recall, replace Ecobust turbo engine, and I’m on my way.
The delicious smell of your oil leak,
Smeared all across my face.
Your fire hot economy class seats,
Give me a reason to think I’m crazy for even considering a Ford.
Snuggling into the rust of mediocrity.
Running fearlessly into the dealership asking “why me, Lord, why me”.
And because of your European style...Correggere o riparare quotidiana, la vita fa schifo.
How I love to say at Ford Quality is job none.
The Ram brand's trophy case continues to fill up, as the 2014 Ram 1500 has been named Pickup Truck of the Year by Autobytel.com. With Best-in-Class 25 highway mpg+, proven performance and innovative technology, the Ram 1500 hauled this award away for the second year in a row.
@papa jim
Ask and you shall receive. Your pickup truck story....
BREAKING NEWS
GM recalls 700,000 cars, including Camaro, Silverado, Cadillac CTS
Wednesday, GM recalled 124,008 model year 2014 Chevrolet Caprice, 2014 Chevrolet SS, 2014-15 Chevrolet Silverado, 2013-14 Cadillac ATS, 2014 Cadillac CTS, 2014 Cadillac ELR, 2013-14 Buick Encore and 2014-15 GMC Sierra vehicles because on some of the autos there is an incomplete weld on the seat hook bracket assembly.
GM blamed the problem on a faulty laser welding machine.
http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-gm-recall-chevrolet-buick-cadillac-20140723-story.html
@Ram/Hemi/Hemi V8
What does that have to do with trucks or this article? Why are you so quick to post recalls of other brands especially when they have nothing to do with trucks? Why don't you post about the 792,000 vehicle Chrysler recall from a few days ago over ignition switches? Or the one before that which was about three weeks which had another 700,000 Chrysler vehicles recalled for ignition switches? Oh that's right, you like to throw rocks at other brands, but you are hush hush about your own favorite brands recalls.
@ALL1 - your are so right....
Speaking about the Ford Transit, the Ram 1500 is the 2013 Rocky Mountain Truck of the Year, as chosen by the Rocky Mountain Automotive Press, for class-leading ride and handling, expansive interior, and blend of toughness and refinement. Journalists found the available air suspension and eight-speed transmission particularly suited to Colorado's unique driving challenges. "On-road and off, it's the perfect truck to tackle the demands of the Rocky Mountain West," said RMAP president Chuck Giametta.
@All1,
papa jim asked for a pickup truck story to get him through the weekend so he was given one. If you got any other pickup stories, feel free post.
GUTS
GLORY
RAM!
"What does that have to do with trucks or this article? Why are you so quick to post recalls of other brands especially when they have nothing to do with trucks?"
@All1,
2014-2015 Silverados and Sierras have nothing to do with trucks? Read it again.
posted by fake R3NxSTONEx
Speaking about the Ford Transit, the Ram 1500 is the 2013 Rocky Mountain Truck of the Year, as chosen by the Rocky Mountain Automotive Press, for class-leading ride and handling, expansive interior, and blend of toughness and refinement. Journalists found the available air suspension and eight-speed transmission particularly suited to Colorado's unique driving challenges. "On-road and off, it's the perfect truck to tackle the demands of the Rocky Mountain West," said RMAP president Chuck Giametta.
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The truth is Fiat has been dumping huge boatloads of cash to journalists to give the Ram great reviews and awards.
The consumer should go to construction sites, investigate the trucks used at mines.... it is not the Ram... when real trucks are needed to get the job done ram is far down the list.
No payload, unreliable, cheap materials, higher service costs, and bad fuel economy.
if your looking for a car with a truck box to drive your kids to sporting events or get groceries then you might consider a Ram.
RAMTARDS always trying to be heard... the poor cult of RAMTARDS feel lonely because unlike educated consumers they are left standing in their dealership service departments with nothing better to do then attack GM and Ford owners because they got a raw deal.
RAMTARDS are like Islam.... They came along later and want to control you as theirs is the best way.
The Numbers speak for themselves.... consumers are educated and don't fall for sill journalistic awards.... especially when Ram buys them.
The numbers indicated Ram is in third place by a significant margin in north American trucks... Dodge /Ram has always been the bottom automaker and there is a reason that no amount of buying false awards and commercials can change.
FAKE R3NxSTONEx
The Ram brand's trophy case continues to fill up, as the 2014 Ram 1500 has been named Pickup Truck of the Year by Autobytel.com. With Best-in-Class 25 highway mpg+, proven performance and innovative technology, the Ram 1500 hauled this award away for the second year in a row.
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The real R3NxSTONEx does not support junkie RAMS.
RAM paid huge dollars to buy awards to put their product in a better light. Real truck manufacturers do not need to do this and the sales numbers over 50 years prove this and continue to prove GM and FORD dominate the Ram with more than double the sales.
Did you know Ram trucks depreciate the fastest out of all truck brands!
@Ram
you are too kind. My hands are still a little shaky but I'm feeling like I can at least hold down some food.
I'd feel really good if you'd post some RAM recalls, but I've troubled you enough already. Many thanks.
Gonna try and get some sleep.
To show I will be fair, here is a new recal which includes 2014 Ram 1500s....
BREAKING NEWS
Chrysler recalls some Toledo built Cherokees
Posted: Jul 25, 2014 12:13 PM EDT Updated: Jul 25, 2014 12:13 PM EDT
13abc.com Shaun Hegarty - email
TOLEDO, Ohio - Chrysler is recalling some Toledo built Jeep Cherokees. It affects the newest models, the 2015 Jeep Cherokees. The issues are shocks and struts.
Here are the models on the recall list: 2015 Jeep Cherokee, 2014 Ram 1500 and the 2015 Chrysler 200. All these vehicles were assembled in a 16 day period ending June 6th.
According to a Chrysler statement the shocks and struts were not up to company standards and the issues was identified by a supplier. Those shocks and struts could break free of their mounts and could eventually lead to loss of vehicle control.
The recall affects about 21,000 vehicles and just over 14,000 of them are here in the United State.
Chrysler will contact vehicle owners that are affected by this. All of the costs associated with the recall will be absorbed by Chrysler.
http://www.13abc.com/story/26113586/chrysler-recalls-some-toledo-built-cherokees
@Bruce - PUTC editorial staff asked readers if they'd like van news covered the answer was.....
YES
@PapaJim - here is some pickup news not covered here:
"Ford Loads The Scales With Apples And Oranges"
Ford padded the numbers for the 2015 Ford truck by comparing an "identical" 2014 F150 with a 5.0 to an "identical" 2.7 V6.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2014/07/ford-loads-the-scales-with-apples-and-oranges/#more-872970
Here is another Ford story:
"Ford Expects V6 Engines To Make Up Over 70 Percent Of F-150 Sales"
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2014/07/ford-expects-v6-engines-to-make-up-over-70-percent-of-f-150-sales/
@PapaJim - another Ford one:
"GM Plans Ford Raptor-Fighter With Upcoming Colorado"
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2014/07/gm-plans-ford-raptor-fighter-with-upcoming-colorado/
2016 Ford Raptor spied testing.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2014/07/2016-ford-f150-svt-raptor-spied/
@PapaJim - You should join TTAC. They cover mostly car stuff but I'd rather wade through 90% car stories to find 10% truck stuff then wade through 100% truck stuff with 80% troll commentary.
They should have offered a v8 5.0 Coyote in this van.....the problems of turbo chargers in Ecoboost ...and the 3.7 does not have the torque of v8....I had business that used vans...loaded more than pickups....had some v6 versions..and when loaded thy drink for fuel than the v8s..not to mention all the vibration of idle.....but I really like the Transit load and you can get roofline choices....
Laugh of the evening..... my neighbor with the one year old Ram Laramie called me over. The one with the front bumper that is rusting. He went to use his heater today to clear a foggy window as it was raining heavy today... no heater.... pulled and replaced the fuse... nothing Called the dealer they advised to disconnect the battery for five minutes then reconnect.... nothing .... checked the wiring we could get to nothing out of place. no heater ..no ac.
Then he tells me they just repaired the rear passenger power window a week ago Thursday because it would not roll up..it stopped going up about four inches from the closed position.
RAM quality or what!
He said he should have kept his 2004 Chevy as he never had problems like this in the nine years he had it.
"Ford padded the numbers for the 2015 Ford truck by comparing an "identical" 2014 F150 with a 5.0 to an "identical" 2.7 V6."
I call BS on TTAC aka BSAPUT. If Ford used a 5.0 there would have been only 25 lbs less difference.
From PUTC earlier:
"Ford had two F-150 Lariat models on display, one a 2014 crew cab with the 5.0-liter V-8, and the other a comparably equipped 2015 model with the 2.7-liter EcoBoost V-6. Both trucks were rolled onto electric scales, with the 2014 model weighing in at 5,674 pounds, while the new 2015 model totaled just 4,942 pounds, a difference of 732 pounds."
"Ford spokesman Mike Levine said that even if the 2015 had been equipped with a comparable 5.0-liter V-8, the difference would have been just 25 pounds less."
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2014/07/2015-f-150-ford-reveals-two-powertrains.html
Do not trust TTAC. They are very snarky with pick-ups and this is like the 5th story in a row on pickup trucks that was written falsely or flat out BS.
"Raptor spied testing"
Old news from TTAC.
PUTC had it first back in May...
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2014/05/spied-curious-m-plated-svt-raptor-part-ii.html
If you want REAL and truthful pickup truck news PUTC is still the place to be.
If you want BS, tabloid blogging you know where to look....
"GM Plans Ford Raptor-Fighter With Upcoming Colorado"
This was a GM Authority blog *EXCLUSIVE* and TTAC stole it 3 days later and gave me credit to the original source...
"Ford Expects V6 Engines To Make Up Over 70 Percent Of F-150 Sales aka V6 Engines will Outpace V8s in F150 from Auto Blog"
That was originally from Auto Blog.
And was written by Captain Obvious. They'll be selling three V6s and one V8. It'd be shocking if the V6s didn't outsell the V8, particularly considering that one of the V6es is currently at parity with the lone V8...
Sorry I had to do this but TTAC sucks for trucks.
"GM Plans Ford Raptor-Fighter With Upcoming Colorado"
This was a GM Authority blog *EXCLUSIVE* and TTAC stole it 3 days later and gave NO credit to the original source...
typo: NO cedit.
GM Authority had this as an exclusive on the 15th. Not only did TTAC steal it on the 18th they gave no credit back GMA who had it as an exclusive. Not cool!
I'll give you some more examples of TTAC's BSAPUT:
1) Sources say Super Duty stays with steel - wrong. Nice wild guess or perhaps a attempt to discredit the F-150 materials, but spy photos and videos show an aluminum body on the Super Duty, and this was in fact set up in advance by Ford with the photographers.
2) F-150 delayed bc of problems with aluminum - wrong again. Everything on schedule and going as planned.
3) F-150's 'code name Lion' stuff - PUTc says welcome to 2006 and they want their scoop back. Wikipedia already explains what the "Lion" diesel is, and where it's used, and how it's been in production for like 8 years now.... And they're talking about how this engine is going to launch in 2018? That pretty much tells you all you need to know about TTAC's "scoop."
4) Nissan to use decades old platform for next Frontier - makes no sense and was directly refuted by Nissan and & C&D.
5) Titan debut in Detroit - Yes, it will but that's old news. (was already mentioned on PUTC months ago)
Now back to a real truck site at PUTC that knows what they are doing…
So what does that make: 5 false stories with the padded #'s junk story, 1 exclusive stolen from GMA with no credit to the original source, 3 stories of old or non-news. That's a hell of a track record! Sounds like I site I really want to be at. NOT.
I agree with Jason if you want to be misled go to TTAC, it is the MSNBC of Pickup Trucks. I'm all for reporting other news found but make sure it is true. Giving any exposure at all to the the raving asshats on that site is wrong headed.
2015 F-150 order guide is online:
http://tinyurl.com/mqq44ss
R3NxSTONEx
I did read the problem your neighbor has with his Ram Laramie with both the heater blower motor and the power windows not working. This sounds like owner abuse! I bet the owner wired up an accessory such as off road lights to the same circuit that's shared with the blower motor and the pwr windows and overloaded the circuit.
The new Ram's are the most dependable trucks out there the only problems they do have is when the owner not knowing what he's doing touches it.
Also Ram's DO NOT depreciate! They go UP in value like gold! Dealers want MORE for a used Ram than what you can buy a new one for!
@DiM
Did I ask for your input? You need to learn not to speak until you are spoken too.
I am more than happy to debate you, but when your goal is to just support the UAW, it makes it hard to have a debate.
Oh my god attempting to play mind games again????
The above comment isn't mine, is it loser?
MARK WILLIAMS again can you have some control over this site.
Tom#3
I did read the problem your neighbor has with his Ram Laramie with both the heater blower motor and the power windows not working. This sounds like owner abuse! I bet the owner wired up an accessory such as off road lights to the same circuit that's shared with the blower motor and the pwr windows and overloaded the circuit.
The new Ram's are the most dependable trucks out there the only problems they do have is when the owner not knowing what he's doing touches it.
Also Ram's DO NOT depreciate! They go UP in value like gold! Dealers want MORE for a used Ram than what you can buy a new one for!
Actually he does not have any aftermarket accessories. the truck is loaded up quite nice. Never thought about a moon roof in a truck but its kind of a nice option. His truck is not abused and if anything it is babied. The Laramie is gorgeous but these dumb problems are driving him nuts.
I had a 09 ram and got rid of it because of stupid problems and neighbors truck is four years newer and it seems issues of quality are still a problem.
I thought because my 2009 Ram was a new model change maybe this is why there was problems then I see my neighbors troubles and others.... Styling wise and options no doubt Rams are very nice but then you hear about the quality issues from several different owners and it does raise a red flag.
I think Ram or Fiat needs to address quality concerns. If they can do that then maybe then can be a legitimate threat to GM and Ford.
several leading car authorities mention the ram depreciates the most out of the major players.
Jason
There is nothing false about the TTAC article on ford’s apples for oranges. The two trucks had 2 different engines. Michael Levine said there was only 25 lb. difference means nothing. Raptor spied testing & GM plans Ford Raptor-fighter with Colorado were reported first by another site and TTAC did not give them credit. Does PUTC report everything first and if not give the one that did credit? NO
TTAC has a good clean site and they keep it under control from spammers, trolls and more important they don’t let the PR guys and fan boys ruin the site and discredit other posters by posting BS using their name.
So I call BS on you fan boy. You’re not smart enough to be a PR guy.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=483_1406354145
got to feel for this ram owner
@Jake D - funny to see the morons defend PUTC. The problem with this site is the fact that they "Mark Williams" and Cars.com do NOT require secure log ins and do not moderate the blogs.
TTAC allows all sorts of off topic conversations and they let bloggers sort out their disagreements BUT they do screen all of entries, delete outright stupidity and the Editorial staff will routinely interact with the bloggers. They will correct mistakes made if bloggers point them out.
This site has turned into a regurgitation centre for company PR without any real investigative journalism.
Until this site goes to secure log-in and blog moderation I will criticize it and point out blogs that are better run.
Yes, TTAC is not a truck site but it is well run and well written.
That puts it in a superior plane of existence than PUTC...
Has anyone at PUTC been blacklisted by a car company for being critical of a newly released vehicle?
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