First!

Second?

Third? Here we go again with a senseless list.

The GMC above, they probably had next to none on lots because in April is when the 2015s came out, and they are still delivering them.

Wonder if it's cause the deals they make around here, no payment for 90 days, zero interest, and how much low bidder GM wants to cut off the MSRP.

People like what they are seeing in the new 2015 HD GM pickups.

@Greg

You're probably right about the new HD's but the number of days on the dealer lots is a misleading number.

Sierra Denali's aren't sold in huge numbers so most dealers may only have one or two on the lot. At that rate they don't last long.

It's just a stat that really doesn't reveal very much when we're discussing mass marketing.

Although I thank Mark for giving us info, I don't really care to much about knowing this. Now if Mark had a way to tell us the percentages of engines sold with each model then that would be something I would like to know.

The Chevrolet really needs those single headlights and the Denali package if it's ever going to take hold in the market place again. Right now it just continues to be the ugly duckling truck with poor mans trims. Not a good thing and the sales show it's sliding fast to the more sophisticated Dodge. GM just doesn't let Chevrolet compete.

Wasn't there a HD challenge on the way? I believe we have seen two stories of "while we were doing the 2014 HD Challenge, (Mike Levine wanted his Fords to get attention) "we got to test the Trembler F-150 (vs a Ram 1500 Express that nobody at Ford wanted to have an 8 speed and smoke the Phord,)
And also "we got to see the new F-150"

Buy a recall, get a truck for free. I like GM's sales tactics and incentives!

People like what they're seeing in the 2015 GM HD trucks?

I am totally one of them! I really like that inoffensive, non-gaudy, unobtrusive, visually appealing, inconspicuous, low-key, unnoticeable, discreet, subtle, concealed, hidden, DEF tank.

You see Rem700, I told you this would happen. It hasn't even been a month 4 Toms(which is really one person) is already back there "Well an 8 speed Hemi will smoke an Ecoboost" even though you proved otherwise with the Truck Trend articles of the two that were nearly identical trucks. Even with two extra speeds, two extra cylinders, higher octane, and 10 extra spark plugs the Ram Hemi 8 speed 3.55 still couldn't overcome the F150 Ecoboost 6 speed 3.55 in those articles. But like I said before, it makes no difference because they will keep stating the "Well, the 8 speed Hemi with smoke an Ecoboost" which proves that even they know the Hemi would need a handicap to win with all else being equal.

"June was a good month for pickup trucks in general, but especially for the GMC brand."

Especially for GMC?

GMC in June is down -7% montlhy vs 2013, and is down -16% monthly vs May.

Ford only runs their F-150 TV Commericals during NFL Games, nobody is buying the F-150 cause they are not advertising it

Has Ram/Dodge ever outsold Chevy for the year?

What is the justification for separating a trim level (Denali) for one brand against the lumped sales of all the others? Why not also break out Ford's King Ranch or Ram's Laramie Longhorn/Laramie Limited? Denali is not a separate model and has no business being counted as a separate truck... back in the '90s, almost every Ford truck came in an Eddie Bauer edition... Ford never separated the sales numbers like this for EB-trimmed trucks.

What are you smoking, ALL1?

Should we assume you and Rem700 are 1 person? Likely.

Cry me a river, Ecoboost boy.

Looks like a good time to make a deal on a left over 2014 GMC HD.

It still surprises me that Ram doesn't make the top ten fastest list since we keep hearing they can't make the diesels fast enough.

This tells me that Sierra is doing well selling high end 3/4 ton trucks and not so well selling high end 1 ton trucks. It shows that the Silverado 3500 is more popular than the Sierra version.

It also points out the obvious - most civilians do not buy reg cab trucks for personal use.

I see mostly Tacoma double cab 4x4's and any time I've looked at Cars.com data through their search engine it matches with this data.
Most small trucks are mid to higher trim packages and cheapskate buyers are a minuscule part of the sales mix.

@Tom-Tom

"What are you smoking, ALL1?"

Hemi's, all day, everyday.

Nope, not the same.

You are the one who has been crying a river because PUTC didn't give Hemi Express a handicap by using an 8 speed, and instead used a 6 speed just like the much heavier Ecoboost. Then when you and your alter ego, the other Tom, kept crying saying " The 8 speed Hemi would smoke an Ecoboost with the same trim configuration". So he posted articles on two identical four door 4wd 3.55 rear axle trucks from each, but the Ram having an 8 speed like you have been crying about. They were so close in fact that there was less than a 20 lb weight difference between the two with the Ram being lighter. Did the Hemi 8 speed end up smoking the Ecoboost like you said? No, the Ecoboost was quicker and the time difference became larger as the race went on by almost a 2 second difference at 0-90 mph. That is not the only site that posted the Ecoboost being quicker either. TFL and Car and Driver both post quicker times with the Ecoboost over the 8 speed Hemi. PUTC was one of the only ones that posted a less time with the Ecoboost which largely had to do with the Limited Slip rear doff Ram was able to get traction while the open different F150 was not able to get traction just as was said in the same article. So keep crying a river ......

If you don't like me bring this up then quit bringing it up. Your first post above would have been fine in relation to the article, but you just have to go out of your way to talk trash. That is okay though, because I don't mind going rubbing your nose in it. I am fine with people praising there own truck make because I love my truck just the same, but if you start talking sh!t about mine especially when it is false then I don't mind coming back at you. Basically, don't start no sh!t and there won't be no sh!t. If you don't mind starting it, then I don't mind finishing it.

I think Ford should get it out of the truck business and focus on Fusions, let GM make the real trucks.

@Mack

How can a truck be used as a truck when it is constantly at the dealer with recalls?

@ALL1 aka Rem700: point was they did multiple other stories since saying they were testing for the HD shootout. Of course, Levine has Mark's number on speed dial, hey buddy, when you gonna be where?

Run them same day and see the result, Remmy. Why didn't they? No answer? Anyone?

Ford's afraid.

Oh, and you keep talking mid grade (recommended for your ghetto Ford) extra cylinders, plugs, guess you forgot two turbos, inter cooler, and the problems Ford has with it?

Mark, I think you should strongly consider closing the comments section of your articles. Those of us who come to this site to read and research the latest info on trucks and the industry are put off by the relentless negativity, juvenile behavior, and off topic antagonizing.

I think many of us are left feeling that this site caters to these types of consumers, and I doubt that is actually your intent. I don't see how removing the comments section from articles would harm or hinder the value of this site to consumers.

I will be copying this post in an email to you directly as well.

Thanks.

@ BigT - bottom right of the page is the "contact us" link. File a complaint and if there are enough of them logged maybe just maybe something will be done about the stupidity of these blogs.

@DeverMike/Paul/Tom Lemon/Greg Baird/TRX4Tom/Dave/Hemi V8/Tom Terrific/sandman 4x4/lautenslager/zveria/Bob/US Truck Driver/Glenn/Jason/Hemi Rampage/smartest truck guy/Maxx/SuperDuty37/Ken/Ron/johnny doe/jim/ALL1/Frank/Idahoe Joe/The Guy/AD/Casey/papa jim/Young Guy/BeeBe/Steve/Chris/The truck guy/Alex/Mr Chow/Yessir/All Americans/Scott/Buy American or say Bye to America/Ram Big Horn 1500/Hemi Monster/Tom Wilkinson at Chevy/mark49/Tom#3/Truck Crazy/carilloskis or whoever you want to call yourself.

Quit the crap, really.

It's getting long in the tooth.

You want to debate, but it has to be on your terms.

Learn to debate with good information, then we might be able to have a decent debate.

Opinions are good, but if they are only your view to support the UAW, then how good are they. Look at what you guys have done to Detroit.

Terror tactics (union tactics) don't work on me.

If PUTC wants the UAW or whatever to control this site I suppose it's their decision.

It's not kids like I've been told by PUTC.

Gm always have a better truck,,the recall is small problem compare to ford,,,

@BigT - Mark, I think you should strongly consider closing the comments section of your articles.

Thank-you for your feedback we have addressed this issue. We have worked tirelessly to give you the most recent up-dates regarding trucks on this site. But we understand your concern. To that end at great expense, we have hired a team of consultants to review the situation.

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Next step is very important:

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@Tom - Tom

For one, I don't even own a Remington 700 anything and my hunting bolt actions are Savage and a few custom rifles so why the hell would I call myself Rem700.

Geez, you guys keep making excuses. You want these two to ran the same day? Then here you go.

F150 Ecoboost 0-60: 7.44 seconds
Ram Hemi 8 speed 0-60: 7.62 seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqEirjbHekg&feature=share&list=PL3127116987C3BC21&index=5

F150 Ecoboost 0-60:
Unloaded: 7.99 seconds
Loaded(5,700lbs): 15.56

Ram Hemi 8 speed 0-60:
Unloaded: 8.34 seconds
Loaded(5,700lbs): 16.64
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A15hc9DtdQI&feature=share&list=PLjXptazwnueolUb1m0rK1IGYxuC7EVT0a&index=6

F150 Ecoboost 4x4 3.31 axle
0-60: 6.2 seconds
0-100: 17.2 seconds
1/4 mile: 14.8 seconds

Ram Hemi 8 speed 4x4 3.21 axle
0-60: 7.1 seconds
0-100: 21.7 seconds
1/4 mile: 15.6 seconds
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/final-scoring-performance-data-and-complete-specs-page-5-1

So what is your Excuse now Tom - Tom?

Per Ram's owner's manual, Ram recommends 89 octane( which is mid-grade) for the 5.7L Hemi. Page 530 http://www.chryslercommercialvehicles.com/dodge/download/pdf/manuals/2012-Ram_Truck-OM_R-3rd.pdf

Per the F150s owner's manual, Ford recommends 87 octane. Page 202 http://www.fordservicecontent.com/Ford_Content/catalog/owner_guides/13f12om3e.pdf The only time it recommends premium is for severe duty(i.e. heavy towing in 100F heat), and will give you a performance boost when using it. Per Mark Williams, premium octane give the Ecoboost an additional 20hp and 10lb-ft of torque. So where is your proof?

You also want to talk about problems? Okay, lets post links of issues, and like I told your alter ego, I can match you problem for problem even though there are less Ram's. Bring it on, because I have links on stand by.

We can quit this circle jerk any time you want to. Just be happy with your truck and quit bashing others with totally false misinformation, cherry picked data, or just totally made up BS to fit what you want as the outcome to make Ram look good. Face it, the Hemi is not that fast in comparison. It is not that it is a bad engine, it is just not perfect or as fast as some of the others. The new GM 6.2L will probably blow the doors off the Ecoboost in the 1/4 mile, but you don't see me making up false crap or make up excuses for it. It is what it is, but that don't make me dislike my truck any less. So quit your trash talk about things you have no clue about or real life experience with. You say something is crap, well I say how long have you owned one(a current model) to be able to make such a judgement. If you call something crap that you have never owned or don't have any real world experience with then why would you think anyone would believe what you say. So why say it? This is why I don't call other brands trash because I don't have real world experience with it and I don't like making blind and biased assumptions like you Ramtards do.

@All1
Meeh. What about Mpg, reliability and price tag for 2 turbos you gonna replace soon.

@zviera

Since you are a self proclaimed expert on the reliability of the Ecoboost and it's turbos. Tell me how long will this engine last based on you real world experience and research. How many Ecoboost engines or turbos have you gone through in your research to be able to make such statements about the reliability. How long was this reliability research done. Just like I told Tom - Tom, why would I or anyone else believe what you say when it is known to be biased and cannot be backed up by any real world research or experience? Of you have nothing to back them up then they are just that, words with no value. As far as the MPG, it still gets better fuel economy than the Hemi 8 speed based on real world data on Fuelly.com. The Canadian Truck King challenge even had it with better unloaded, loaded, and towing. What data can you provide to prove otherwise?

Think about zvierra. If I said the Hemi was pure junk, is not reliable, and will not last even 100k miles without any real world experience of owning a Hemi or even doing any long term research with multiple engines, would you believe me? Then what makes you think your words hold any weight with me or with anyone else on this website without any real data backing them up? Again, this is why I don't bash other trucks or engines because I don't have enough knowledge or experience with them to be able to say that just like you don't. I will argue data and factual real world events like the 0-60 times, but never on the reliability of a vehicle without real knowledge about it that can be backed up.

The fricken comment section on this site is starting to look like Mel Gibson at the end of Braveheart when he screams out FREEDOM!!!! at the end of it. It can be rather comical to see the amount of effort some people will put into standing their ground or just to have the last word in.

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We have weighed our options and have deemed that the few shall not ruin the free to comment without login style comment section for the many that we have here at PUTC.

We feel changing things now would not benefit the many people who enjoy the exchanging of information and debates free to anyone with an opinion by requiring usernames and dedicated logins.

It turns out that one username (Big Al from Oz) involved in the majority of the complaints is used by 3 IP addresses and we are considering banning these IP's soon but figure it's not hard to use another IP to continue to be a pest on PUTC.

We would like to formally apologize to all the commenters reporting complaints but things will remain the same for the near future atleast here on PUTC.

@Management - Looks like the trolls have sunk to a new low.

I have logged onto this site almost ever day for the last few years. Some of you guys are geniuses and a few are nuts. I have owned Chevy's, GMC's and Fords. I currently own a Chevy and a Ford. RAM should be the slowest selling truck in the USA. Why any American would buy a truck made in a country that is currently holding one of our soldiers hostage is beyond me.

@All1,

There have been a few reports of people throwing rods in their Ecoboosts. Now, I realize this problem was mainly due to the questionable performance tunes they had on them. However, the Ecoboost is going to see a lot more potential failures when people start trying to extract more performance out of them when the warranty runs out.

The Livernois tune seems to be the most popular tune out there right now and that really wakes them up from what l have heard. With a tune and a cat back, they can get down into the mid 13's in the 1/4 mile which is almost stock SRT-10 territory. However, like anything else, once you start pushing the performance envelope further and further, things are going to break the more you turn up the boost.

The Hemi/8sp combination can get down into the mid 13's as well with a few bolt ons and a good tune. What it comes to basically is what the buyer wants in their truck. A highly stressed more expensive twin turbo V6 with the potential to go boom if you run a bad tune or a more sedate V8 with the same performance potential (although more expensive to get there) with a much better sounding exhaust.

The Ecoboost was Ford's promise that this was some sort of a miracle engine offering class leading performance with jaw dropping mpg gain. It was supposed to provide great performance with great fuel economy. Unfortunately, as most owners have experienced, the fuel economy claims by Ford were overly optimistic. Then, Ram introduces the 8sp transmission and the Hemi jumps back into the game with even better performance and even better fuel economy nipping at the heels of the Ecoboost wonder engine.

"GM just doesn't let Chevrolet compete."

- Bingo. Anyone up north see the GMT900 Silverado's lately? Already turning into rust buckets. Especially over the rear tires. Notice on the new trucks that only the GM Sierra's get plastic moldings in the wheelwells to protect from rock chips/rust? Just like the GM and Buick CUV's. The Chevrolet's get the middle finger (as usual unless it says Corvette/Camaro) from GM. The sooner Chevrolet becomes Chevrolet Motor Company again and DUMPS GM, the better. Maybe then they can compete with Ford, Toyota, Nissan and Dodge. Which by the way they once used to kill long long ago... Before GM ruined em.

@Lou_BC - Fleet trucks, like Orkin, never hit the sales lot. And obviously not included in "Days On Sale". Same with Special Orders, which are the best way to buy a regular cab pickup. Unless you're a fan of Fleet White.

I agree, personal use regular cabs are on the decline, except for Tacomas, the last regular cab midsize in America. Notice it's the ONLY regular cab (of all trucks) that makes the top 10 list. But plenty of regular cab fullsize make the "slowest selling" list.

But if Cars.com data matches you area's stats, then the regular cab Tacoma is the #2 fastest selling (private) Toyota pickup. Oh that's right, regular cab Tacos aren't even for sale in Canada... Nice try!

@DenverIIIMike - my comments weren't aimed at you since truth for you is an inconvenient abstract concept.

@The Real Mike

"There have been a few reports of people throwing rods in their Ecoboosts. Now, I realize this problem was mainly due to the questionable performance tunes they had on them."

I can show you forum link of engines from every make with engines that went boom with less than 10k on the clock and were completely stock. In fact, tuners like Full-Race who have researched the internals ( http://www.full-race.com/articles/inside-the-ecoboost-f-150.html ) have already stated that the stock turbos are too small to provide more boost than the engine can handle. They also found out that the high pressure fuel pump is also a major limiting factor, and you will not be able to get much past 450hp with the stock pump. Basically, just adding a good tune with a few intake, exhaust, and T-stat mods then you will be fine since the stock turbos aren't enough to grenade the engine with boost even at it maximum boost potential. Adding bigger turbos and fuel pump is a different matter.

"The Livernois tune seems to be the most popular tune out there right now and that really wakes them up from what l have heard. With a tune and a cat back, they can get down into the mid 13's in the 1/4 mile which is almost stock SRT-10 territory."

Uhm...No. Livernois is NOT the most popular tunes, SCT is by far and was proven by many different forum poles. With the Livernois you have to use their tunes only. With the SCT device, you can store up to 10 custom tunes from various vendors. I have 15 costume tunes on my laptop from 4 different tuning companies, and have been running tuned since my truck had 5k miles back in 2011. I pretty much only run my 5 Star 87 octane towing tune which brings me up to around 420hp and 530lb-ft of torque based off dynos. I have been running that way for close to 70k now with not one issue, and I don't take it easy on my truck. It goes WOT on a routine basis getting up on ramps just for shnits and giggles along with regular towing with the occasional 9,500lb heavy tow. Livernois is also old news. Guys have been getting in to the mid to low 12s with just a few grand in mods. Notice how many 4-door crew cabs are in the high 12s to low 13s. ---->http://www.f150forum.com/f70/ecoboost-quarter-mile-times-mods-162637/

Compare that to 4th gen Ram Hemi's. Notice mostly regular cabs in the 13s ----> http://www.ramforum.com/f44/4th_gen_official_timeslip_discussion_thread-22374/

"The Hemi/8sp combination can get down into the mid 13's as well with a few bolt ons and a good tune."

Maybe for a regular cab short wheel base, but not for a 4 door. It will take more than just a few bolt-ons and you will probably be spending well past a few grand. Not saying it can't be done with a Hemi at all, just saying it will require more cash.

"A highly stressed more expensive twin turbo V6 with the potential to go boom if you run a bad tune or a more sedate V8 with the same performance potential (although more expensive to get there) with a much better sounding exhaust."

Actually it is the quite opposite which you would see if you have ever driven one. The first thing you would notice is how little of RPMs are need to get the truck to go with normal driving. Getting the RPM up to 3,000 or even 2,500 with even moderate acceleration is a rarity. Boost levels are also very low at less than 5 psi when accelerating normally. I will bet you the term "highly stressed" will not come to mind when you finally test drive one. I know most people think "high rpms" when they think of a V6 in a big truck, but this think actually uses less rpms to get going than the V8s since it has more horsepower and torque before 3,000rpm than ANY V8 on the market today (and that includes the 420hp/460lb-ft on premium fuel GM 6.2L). So no, it is actually quit the opposite of what you said to where you will find that the V8s needs more rpm and throttle to move than the Ecoboost, but don't take my word for it. Drive one for yourself. Test drives are usually free.

Also, every engine has the potential to g boom with a bad tune which is why you should always buy from a reputable tuner.

"The Ecoboost was Ford's promise that this was some sort of a miracle engine offering class leading performance with jaw dropping mpg gain. It was supposed to provide great performance with great fuel economy."

As I have stated before, the problem is people apply N/A V8 gear logic to a turbo engine, and end up getting more gear than they need which in turn nets you less fuel. Most people are like you thinking this engine will be "highly stress" and if your last V8 truck needed 3.73 gears to tow that 8,000lbs, then this engine does too. Well, that is not the case. Due to having more low end power than any V8 as I stated above combined with it's 6 speed, a shorter gear (bigger number) is not needed which allows you to be able to pull the same loads, but with a more economical gear. But.....most people have your mentality thinking this engine would be "highly stressed" so they opt for the shorter gears when all that does is increase your capabilities from your last truck, and not necessarily the fuel economy. I don't know how many forum posts that have been started of guys that got the 3.73 gears now wishing they got the 3.31 gears because they come to find out that the 3.73s are overkill for their capability needs and the 3.31s get considerably better fuel economy while still having more capability than most need or even had in their previous N/A V8 trucks.

Also, according to Fuelly, the Ecoboost average mpg is better than all other V8s besides the new GM 5.3L which also has considerably less power. In the Canadian Truck King challenge, the Ecoboost got better fuel economy than any other V8 loaded, unloaded, and hauling. -----> http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2013/10/2014-canadian-truck-king-challenge-how-we-test.html And at the time when the Ecoboost came out, it was better than any other V8 in MPG and Fuelly proves that.

"Then, Ram introduces the 8sp transmission and the Hemi jumps back into the game with even better performance and even better fuel economy"

Uhm no.....I just proved up above that this is false based on the data and testing. Seriously, go drive one, and it will at least clear up some of your assumptions you just posted. Again, test drives are usually free(besides the hounding of some salesman) which is why I test drive different makes all the time.

Sorry, I merged my link with my text. Here is the Ecobost 1/4 miles times with mods. http://www.f150forum.com/f70/ecoboost-quarter-mile-times-mods-162637/

@Lou_BC - If I was wrong, you would've already pointed out where and when. Keep on trolling though!

If you want a private conversation, feeding all lies to each other, PM BAFO and Vulpine/DWF directly.

Give me a super charged V8. Imagine a Ford 5.0 running a roots blower at mild boost. It would really bring it to life.

Same for the earlier gen Ford 2 valve OHC engine. They were HP dogs, but a mild boost would do wonders. Because the bottom end on these motors was stout in the stock form, they should be ok in the 1000 to 4000 rpm range. After 5k rpm these things really lay down.

ditto for the Hemi. Mild boost. ditto for the Gen 4 and Gen 5 engines. The Chevy 4.3 Gen Five motor would be a shocker with a little help from a huffer.

Got my 2013 F-150 repaired under warranty yesterday for the complaint about the burning smell from the vents when I first turned the AC on.
They replaced the resistor.
Also got "The Works" done - oil change, tires rotated, all fluids checked and topped off costs only $35
8 qts XO*5W20*QSP Engine Oil SAE5W20 2.85 22.80
1 FL*500*S Filter ASY 7.00 7.00
141 The Works 5.20 5.20

Local Dealer has many new 2013 leftover F-150's at greatly reduced prices.
Here is one I was looking at similar to my F-150
2013 F-150 4x4 Supercrew
145 WB, 3.5 V6 Eco-Boost
FX4 Plus Package
3.73 lock axle
7650 GVW package
pwr moon roof
max trailer tow
20" FX cast wheels

sticker price $48,140
discount price $34,255

that's a bargain! but I am going to wait for the 2015
proved to the dealer I have the money and informed him I request a special invitation to be contacted when the first 2015's arrive at the dealer, I am on the list!
(also on the Harley Davidson Dealer list when the first Street 750 arrives)
hope they don't show up at the same time!

I will be the coolest guy in town with the first 2015 F-150

I failed to explain the points I was making from my last 2 posts is I am in love with my local Ford Dealer, but I hate my F-150.
I would take either the Ram1500 or the Chevy Silverado over the F-150 BUT I know those dealers wouldn't treat me as good as my Ford Dealer.
My Ford Dealer goes all out for me, never questioning any minor issue I have, repairing everything I request at no cost under warranty, a complete service and tire rotation for $35, a free wash, free coffee, donuts and pizza in the waiting room, rolling out the red carpet when I visit the showroom, they send me coupons and nice letters in the mail, they have a summer picnic for all their customers.
Even Lou BC understands that.

What Management? This site has already sunk to new lows and is continuing to go lower.

@Reader
We will not tolerate you second guessing our authority. This is your one and only warning.

We will not let a bad egg like you ruin it for everyone else. Judging by your IP address it looks like you're the same person who posts as Big Al from Oz.

@DenverDumbass
You obviously work for the EPA or CAFE. Some of the dumb ass unsubstantiated comments you come up with, wow. Or you are a Greenpeace Plant or just a plant.

You never prove SFA, just spruik bull$hit. At least provide links and other forms of support to justify your claims.

What you just wrote has nothing to do with nothing.

You are entitled to your opinion, though and I do respect that.

Big Al writes: ...entitled to your opinion, though and I do respect that.

@PUTC reader community,

Has there ever been a bigger all-out TROLL than Big Al?

1. His above post, blasting a fellow commentator, has sweet bleeping nothing to do with the topic of the story.

2. His post uses the opportunity to comment on the substance of the story, but instead he addresses one of the site's regular commenters in a very disparaging way and then has the temerity to close his comment with the remark I copied above (about respecting others).

I'm not expecting PUTC moderators to handle this but Big Al is out of control. The typical article has at least HALF of the associated comments either written by Big Al or somebody launching venomous comments using his persona.

As a regular commenter here I often get a bit into the weeds with my own comments but they are usually intended to be thoughtful, germane and offer the insight of my many years driving and fixing trucks.