June's Fastest- and Slowest-Selling Pickups

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June was a good month for pickup trucks in general, but among the standouts for 2014 is GMC — for much of the year it's been pushing close to 10 percent ahead month to month. And not surprisingly, GMC's top-of-the-line Denali trucks are in high demand. This month's data offers a good look at some of the hottest-selling combinations moving off dealer lots.

Fastest-Selling Top 10

  1. 2015 GMC Sierra 2500 HD Denali Crew Cab, 15 days on sale
  2. 2014 Toyota Tacoma Crew Cab, 16
  3. 2015 GMC Sierra 1500 Denali Crew Cab, 22
  4. 2014 Toyota Tacoma Regular Cab, 22
  5. 2015 Ford F-250 Extended Cab, 23
  6. 2015 Ford F-350 Crew Cab, 24
  7. 2015 Ford F-250 Crew Cab, 25
  8. 2015 Chevrolet Silverado 3500 HD Crew Cab, 28
  9. 2015 Chevrolet Silverado 2500 HD Crew Cab, 29
  10. 2014 Nissan Frontier Crew Cab, 38

Slowest-Selling Top 10

  1. 2014 GMC Sierra 3500 HD Regular Cab, 204
  2. 2014 Chevrolet Silverado 3500 HD Crew Cab, 201
  3. 2014 GMC Sierra Denali 3500 HD Crew Cab, 183
  4. 2014 GMC Sierra 2500 HD Regular Cab, 167
  5. 2014 Chevrolet Silverado 2500 HD Regular Cab, 158
  6. 2014 GMC Sierra Denali 2500 HD Crew Cab, 153
  7. 2014 Chevrolet Silverado 3500 HD Regular Cab, 150
  8. 2014 GMC Sierra 2500 HD Crew Cab, 135
  9. 2014 GMC Sierra 3500 Crew Cab, 135
  10. 2014 Chevrolet Silverado 2500 HD Crew Cab, 132

The Fastest- and Slowest-Selling Cars list reports the average number of days it takes to sell models from the day they arrive on the lot until the final paperwork is signed by a buyer. This is not a days-of-inventory list like you may find on other websites. With lots mostly clear of 2013 models, we look exclusively at 2014 and 2015 models.

For the fastest sellers, we only list vehicles that pass a certain threshold of sales in order to weed out limited editions, ultra-high-performance cars and others that might skew the numbers or otherwise inaccurately portray popularity. To highlight all slow sellers, slowest sellers have no such threshold.

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Comments

@papa jim - wandering off the specific topic is fine if it sheds light on factors affecting the truck market. Out side conversations about politics, finances etc. all have bearing on sales and also affect what and why we buy.
It also has the positive effect of understanding our fellow bloggers. One does not need to agree with what is said but builds respect and mutual understanding which is vastly more important than consensus of opinion.

@DenverIIIMike - you have never been able to prove me wrong with any credible literature on the topic.
If you happened to be some highly respected expert in the field then that would make your opinion carry some weight.
As it stands right now, the only weight you carry is comparable to that of a mosquito that just bit me in the ass.

@Tom#3 - you've never explained why you hate your F150 other than an ego story about how it doesn't have the bling to keep the "in crowd" happy in your home town.

Time to move beyond the petty social structure of high school.

I'll throw in a little anecdotal story for you. I had a conversation with a friend of mine who is a university professor and it focused on the high school pecking order and where those kids are today.

I encountered the most popular guy in my school and my arch nemesis 4 years ago at a traffic intersection. I was in my brand new truck and he was standing at the side of the road holding up a traffic control sign. His mom got him a job post high school working for the city public works department. 30 years later the dude is still at the bottom of the employment skill chain.

Point is, you can't ride through life on your popularity standings unless you happen to be a movie star, singer or politician.

@LouBC

Tom#3 should really be explaining why, for the second time at least, he's admitted on this site--like some pathetic weenie on Dr Phil's show--that he "loves his Ford dealer."

Most of the guys I ever saw who were in love with their Ford dealer are designers or florists, and drove Mazda Miata convertibles and BMW Z3 roadsters.

Not F150s. Or RAMs, or Silverados.

that is all.

I have nothing but respect for every poster here, but there is a lot going on that is detrimental to the site. The multi-posting is definitely a problem, but it is clear PUTC has no intention of addressing it at present.

Anything car related will always be a topic of vigorous debate, especially trucks, just look at the age old Chevy vs Ford rivalry. What other rivalry in automotive history is stronger than that?

Regarding the comments here, I wanted to address the comments posted by Big Al from Oz. It is obvious that his name is being used by several people, though we don't know how many for sure.

My personal take on why this is happening is that he posts some very strong opinion and some here don't like that so they have decided to make a mockery of him.

I think he has both good opinions and also some strong opinions. While I respect his opinions, it seems like the multi-posters have taken some of his strongest statements he made here and they re-post those statements on every article.

In my experience on posting in many different forums, it seems that when people hold very strong opinions on a given subject, they automatically become a target for ridicule. I see the exact same thing going on here with people who make a mockery of his posts.

I also am not defending Big Al from Oz. Everyone need to realize that the statements of his that are constantly being re-posted were his original statements, so he is still responsible for defending his statements.

There are many times here when I make an argument that I later realize might have been fallacious or was omitting certain facts. I am still responsible for every statement I make.

Several months ago, I had issues with people using my name also, so I registered for a TypePad account. I haven't had problems since.

I have seen frequent posters here one by one register for TypePad accounts. I think that is the most immediate solution to the problem, because now multi-posters cannot take our name. When debating issues that are likely to cause a good amount of friction, I feel it's important to be as accountable as possible for everything we post.

@HEMI MONSTER

Looking at your other blogs, I don't think you really have the knowledge to make that judgement.

You seem to be having difficulties today. Don't worry everyone has those kind of days every so often :)

Lou BC
The F-150 is boring and not exciting and everybody else owns the same one.
The guys that own the Ram's get all the respect, get all the women, the Ram turns heads when it drives by and people say: "nice truck"
When the F-150 drives by nobody cares, its boring!
I want to be different than everybody else, I try to customize my F-150 so it looks different than everybody else's F-150 by installing the Westin HDX Grill Guard and the AVS Hood protector, but what happens? Everybody else gets the same exact accessories as I got!
That infuriates me!
I try to find happiness by buying a new truck every year but it gets me nowhere! I want a truck nobody else owns! I do that with the motorcycles I already own and that works, nobody owns the same motorcycles I own!
shhhhhh! please don't tell anybody about the AVS Hood Protector cause it looks so good everybody is going to want one, its not a hood bug shield, it lays flat on the front edge of the hood above the front grill and it really looks good.

Ban any foreigners. They do 99% of the trolling here.

@Tom#3 - If you are that shallow then continue on chasing that carrot as it is something you never will be able to catch.

If you really want a truck no one else has then by a Titan or Tundra.

BTW - that hood protector is something that Ford offers free all over the country as a promotion.

lol at you knobs saying gm trucks are better, ahahahah cry me a river chevy lovers.


@MackI think Ford should get it out of the truck business and focus on Fusions, let GM make the real trucks.

that is the funniest thing ive ever seen. fords and even dodge are much better than chevys

@Lou_BC - What proof do you need that fleet orders don't go into inventory?

That's what this article was about. "INVENTORY"...

Am I going to fast for you?

Now both regular cab Tacomas and crew cabs Tacomas are fastest selling trucks, not just on the Toyota lot, but of all pickup OEMs. So it's almost a tie. Fleet orders would break the tie. Now do you think "fleet orders" are mostly regular cabs or crew cabs? Think hard...

Orkin alone, puts about 2,000 Tacomas on the road.

So you state "Cars.com" new pickup listings, in your (anecdotal) town in Canada, reflects this article's findings. When all along, regular cab Tacomas aren't even for sale in Cananda.

Do you need a link to the word "Fraud"???

@ DenverIIIMike - today isn't a holiday for me but shouldn't you be out celebrating ?

@All1
Fuelly is a joke and you really rely on it?
The 11.9Mpg for Ecoboost and 11.3 Mpg for HEMI with trailer in PUTC test is within driver habits error. I could easy do better than Ecoboost.
The turbo reliability is not just about running in controlled Ford environment. Do you know what happens , when condensed air turns in to ice and you start your engine early morning?
Let mi know how cleaning up the aluminum chips in the intake pipe of your engine and cylinders goes, when your turbo shatters from little ice ball.
Oh, I forgot, you drilled small not EPA certified hole to your heat exchanger to prevent this disaster I don't have to even think of.
I had a crack on my exhaust header I developed in very cold winter 6 month ago and replaced them with JBA ones a week ago. I have a much more power then your ecoboost , more torque ( at different Rpm) and I don't have to worry about destroying my engine with any Tuning program.
Based on your habits, I predict you destroy your turbo at 250 000 kms ~ 155 000 miles.
Please keep us posted.

@Tom#3 – you still haven’t explained why you hate your F150, other than providing this video below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf5HXsfoBsI

I had a conversation with a friend of mine who is a university professor and it focused on the high school pecking order. So I told the dumb f$ck to get a real job, stop hanging around high school girls and try putting that useless liberal fine arts degree to good use for a change!

Nevertheless, I'll throw in a little anecdotal story for you…

A couple of months ago I was in my typical week long drunken stupor, and my truck was swerving all over the road, so a cop pulls me over, “Step out of the truck” says the cop, “I am going to need you to take a breathalyser test.”

“I can’t”, I responded “You see I have very bad asthma that can set off an attack.”

“Alright,” says the cop, then you’re going to have to take a blood test.” “Can’t do that either,” I said, “I am a hemophiliac, if a wound is opened, I won’t stop bleeding and I could bleed to death.”

“Ok,” the cop answers “then I will need a urine sample.” “Sorry, I also have diabetes that could push my sugar count really low.”

“Fine, so just come on out, and walk a straight line for me.” “Can’t do that either” I said. “Why not?” Demanded the exasperated cop. “Well, because I’m drunk!” I said.

Point is Tom that a Chinese couple, who has a white baby, will likely name it "Sum Ting Wong".

Hope that helps!

@HEMI MONSTER - well said.

@Real Lou BC – thanks Lou, your words and those of your Liberal Arts friend are inspiring. Maybe I am acting a little high school regarding my F150.

But I must say to all my detractors. I am Tom3 and I see a whole army of my PUTC readers, here in defiance of the EcoBoost! You have come to fight as free men. And free man you are! What will you do without an all aluminum body? Will you fight?"

"8 speed transmission against 6 speed?" - the mechanic shouted. "No! We will run - and live!"

"Yes!" Tom3 shouted back. "Fight and you may die. Run and you will live at least awhile. And lying in your pickup truck bed many years from now, would you be willing to trade all the recalls from this day to that for one chance, just one chance, to come back here as young men and tell our enemies that they may take our Swing Case Truck Toolbox but they will never take our King Ranch!

Thanks Lou, Thanks!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR7HPQM0Jgg

I have, myself, full confidence that if all do their duty, if nothing is neglected, and if the best arrangements are made, as they are being made, we shall prove ourselves once again able to defend our Ford, to ride out the storm of recall, and to outlive the menace of GMC, if necessary for years, if necessary alone. At any rate, that is what we are going to try to do. That is the resolve of PUTC-every man of them. That is the will of Frank and BAFO. The truck Empire and the Fiat, linked together in their cause and in their need, will defend to the death their native Truck, aiding each other like good comrades to the utmost of their strength.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecIVIFLo0uE

Even though large tracts of Aluminum and many old and famous vehicles have fallen or may fall into the grip of the recall and all the odious apparatus of the Department of Transportation rule, we shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in Chicago, we shall fight on the pickup bed and at the Dealers, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_sMuo8Lujg

We shall defend our Ecoboost, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the roads, we shall fight in the Parking Lot, we shall fight on PUTC, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Ecoboost or a large part of it were subjugated, then Fiat, our Empire beyond the seas, would carry on the struggle, until, in God’s good time, the GMC, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the F150.

Thanks Lou, Thanks!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ziUhNerFMI

@Lou_BC - Fireworks don't start for an hour. West Coast. But the real party's tomorrow anyway. This was a work day for me, but this is your only answer?

@zviera

You are making yourself look worse with every post.

" I could easy do better than Ecoboost."

Okay, lets see you do it because I sure as hell am not taking your word for it. Let me know when you finally do it and what mileage you get at the end. Oh, and be sure to take pictures or even better video because you know I am not going to believe you unless I see it with my own eyes.

That was not a PUTC test either. It was a test by your fellow Canadians that PUTC wrote and article about. ---> http://canadiantruckkingchallenge.ca/?page_id=425

However, the test that PUTC did do had the 3.7. Ecoboost with a 1,6230lb payload and 11,300lbs tow rating get better fuel economy both unloaded and towing that the Ram that had a more economical 3.55 gear with a 1,000lbs payload and 8,350lbs tow rating. ---> http://special-reports.pickuptrucks.com/2013/06/2013-light-duty-challenge-mileage-drive.html Wow, even with a more economical gear and an 8 speed, the Ram Hemi did not get better fuel mileage.


"Do you know what happens , when condensed air turns in to ice and you start your engine early morning? Let mi know how cleaning up the aluminum chips in the intake pipe of your engine and cylinders goes, when your turbo shatters from little ice ball."

You really need to do more research on turbocharged engines. I say that because if you knew more about them then you would know how dumb what you just said is.

"Oh, I forgot, you drilled small not EPA certified hole to your heat exchanger to prevent this disaster I don't have to even think of."

There is nothing in the EPA regulations saying I can't drill or have a weep hole on my inter cooler. Only the manufacturers can no longer do it like they used to due to EPA regulations.

"I had a crack on my exhaust header I developed in very cold winter 6 month ago and replaced them with JBA ones a week ago. I have a much more power then your ecoboost , more torque ( at different Rpm) and I don't have to worry about destroying my engine with any Tuning program."

Wow, your header already cracked. My cousin station up in Alaska who bought his Ecoboost a month after me still hasn't had a single issue besides a bad alternator. According to JBA, that header only adds UP TO 15 hp and 24lb-ft which would bring you up to 415hp and 431lb-ft. How is that more than my 420hp and 530lb-ft like you say?

Also, please learn about tuning. Most engines are tuned the way they are to meet emissions, and not exactly for reliability reasons as most ignorant F's think. They think that if it adds power then it has to be detrimental to the engine. When that is actually the opposite in some cases. When I was at Cummins, some of the "de-tuning" we did to meet emissions actually was worse for the engine than having more power. It has alot to do with air/fuel ratios, cylinder pressure, and so on, but I am not going to get into that because if you cannot grasp something simple as turbos then I know you will not grasp that. Case in point is my truck. When I data-logged my truck I detected more knocks stock than tuned. The EGT's are actually cooler with my 5 star tunes than stock as well. Before you go on like Tom - Tom about knocks and octane, every engine knocks especially under load. Most of the time you won't even ere it and the ECM will pull timing before you notice a thing. You are allowed to have your opinion about tuning even if it is an uneducated opinion. I only see it as your loss.


"Based on your habits, I predict you destroy your turbo at 250 000 kms ~ 155 000 miles.
Please keep us posted."

You are joking right? I mean, you actually think I would listen to you? Man, you are dumber then I thought if you actually think I would actually listen to your biased uneducated without any testing or real world experience predictions. Wow, I don't know whether to feel sorry for you or laugh. Until you post some links to actual testing data and failure analysis that you have done with multiple Ecoboost engines, I will just keep laughing every time you and Tom-Tom post your "uneducated reliability assumptions" because that is all they are, ASSumptions.


Like I told Tom -Tom, we can keep doing this circle jerk all day long until you just quit with your BS and posting crap with no data backing it up.

However, the test that PUTC did do had the **3.73** Ecoboost with a 1,6230lb payload and 11,300lbs tow rating getting better fuel economy both unloaded and towing than the Ram that had a more economical 3.55 gear with a 1,000lbs payload and 8,350lbs tow rating.

@All1
Typical performance gains with the addition of JBA Headers on a fuel injected V-8 will be anywhere from 10-25 horsepower and similar numbers for torque.
The HEMI has a crappy headers and they fail in extreme wheather, everybody knows that. Nothing serious, I have used them for 6 more month. Your cousin ecoboost has a crappy alternator. Mine is fine and didn't need to replace it after 325 000 kms at my old Durango. You can't drive without a new one.
Stock HEMI with JBA manifolds has much more power and more torque than stock ecoboost.
You lost your engine warranty with your mode. Newer mind, you didn't have any warranty anyway.
So, what do you think All1. How long will your engine and turbos last? I wanna know your predictions.


@Zviera

Yes, the alternator which was supplied by Leece-Neville went out. Leece-Neville is also a supplier of FCA/Ram as well so saying it is crap is putting your favorite brand down as well.

If you put on aftermarket mods, then you Hemi is not stock. Per JBA's website, the header for your truck only adds 15hp and 24lb-ft at 2,100rpm(not at peak) http://www.jbaheaders.com/feature_pages/04heminew.asp

And do you actually think I care if I lost my warranty even if I did. I understand you have to pay to play. Although, I have never been denied any warranty on any of my tuned trucks or cars. I just return it back to stock and take it in. Hell, my family has been going to the same dealership since I was a teenager and they know most of my vehicles are tuned or modified. All they told me is if the tune is found to be the cause of the failure, then you pay. If it isn't the cause then it is warrant-able. It was the same with my old Corvette and the GM dealer I took it to. Like I said above, you have to pay to play and the extra power is worth it to me so I will gladly pay for it. It may not be worth it to you, but what does it matter what you think since you don't make my vehicle payments. In all actuality I am out of my factory warranty anyways. Does that bother me? Hell no, and I would do it all over again the same way.

I don't know how long my engine and turbos will last since this is my first Ecoboost. It will probably be traded in before I even reach 150k, but I see it going to at least 200k based on what I seen from our work trucks. Some of our work truck Ecoboosts are right at 150k and still running strong. I have had turbo diesel and gaser cars that were still running as strong as the day I got them when I traded or sold them. The only engine that blew on me was an old GM Vortec 350 V8 at 140k miles, but that was due to the timing chain snapping which could and has happened to just about every engine with one.

As nice as many of the new Ford, GM or Ram trucks are ... I say: no manual transmission, no deal. Automatic might be good for some girlie men and men wannabes of the city, but for real work and fun manual is a must. Manual gives also a better fuel economy (for you hippies) and is much cheaper to replace and easier to repair. I will stick to my older trucks with manual.

Nobody talks about the F-150 with the 3.7 V6 NON-Turbo. They seem rare and hard to find at dealers. I am always searching for reviews and performance numbers on that engine.
The reasons I was against the 3.5 Eco-Boost is because I once owned a 2005 Sprinter Van with the 2.7 turbo diesel and every 20K miles the turbo would go out costing $2200.
The lead truck mechanic at my local Ford Dealership told me (back in 2012) that EVERY F-150 Eco-Boost they sold came back with turbo problems.
The internet is full of complaints from owners of the Eco-Boost
Consumer Reports says the performance and gas mileage numbers are the same between the 3.5 Eco-Boost and the 5.0 V8.
I also did a lot of research that the turbos are NOT covered under the ESP Warranty.
I am too afraid of a $4000 repair bill.
The Chevy and Ram V8's with engine deactivation are getting better gas mileage than the Eco-Boost.
I am aware of what happened in the past when Subaru added a turbo to their boxer engine and that ruined their reputation, where Subaru did the right thing and gave up.
That F-150 V6 engine is running at its limit to push around a heavy 5000 lb truck and the twin turbos are slowly killing that engine.
Look at the engines of a race car, they enhance the performance with a turbo and they have to totally rebuild the engine after every race.

Reducing weight? I remember very well when I owned a 1979 F-150 4x4 it weighed 4450 lbs empty cause I always hauled coal where you had to be weighed empty first.
NOW my 2013 F-150 4x4 weighs 5150 lbs on the same exact scale.
The BEST F-150 made was the model between the years 1997-2003
Ford is living off their reputation of the way they built trucks 20 to 40 years ago where they still have people fooled thinking its the same truck, its a totally different truck, except they still use the same rear leaf spring shackle mounts.
As a long time F-150 owner Ford broke my heart where I am no longer proud of owning one cause its NOT the same truck!

The fan boys ruin the discussions on this site. I don't mind discussions that get into other things besides trucks but the fan boy discussion is childish.

@Jeff S - loved you in the movies Francis!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIdABjJ91iw

@All1
"If you put on aftermarket mods, then you Hemi is not stock."
Playing with words again are you?

When I install JBA header at any new HEMI, I don't lose engine warranty and engine is running easier to gain more torque and power. You don't have to remove them, all the time you see the dealer for warranty inspection or oil change.

When you install any engine programmer at your ecoboost, you lost warranty right away and engine is running harder to achieve any power and torque gain.

"Typical performance gains with the addition of JBA Headers on a fuel injected V-8 will be anywhere from 10-25 horsepower and similar numbers for torque. For V-6 applications you will see a gain of 10-15 horsepower. "

http://www.jbaheaders.com/faq.asp

So yes, it's up to 15 Hp for V6. HEMI is not a V6.

You don't know, how long your ecoboost will last and hoping to get rid of it, before turbo and engine goes. That's hilarious.

@Zviera

"When you install any engine programmer at your ecoboost, you lost warranty right away and engine is running harder to achieve any power and torque gain."

As if I care. If I owned a Hemi, I would have tuned it and supercharged it and my warranty would have been gone right there so what is your point? I don't care that the warranty is gone. Unlike you i got money to replace it. If you want to play then you got to pay and apparently you don't want to play so sit back on the porch.

Also, the engine does not work harder to achieve the power. I would have to suspect that you really don't know a lot about engine by your comments. You are posting what assume happens when in fact it is the complete opposite. The internet has lots of helpful information so put it to good use before you speak. Otherwise you are just making yourself look like an idiot.

Again, per JBA it is only 15 hp and 24lb-ft gain with the 5.7L Hemi

"There is no mistaking that the 5.7L Hemi has first class power in the truck and SUV market. JBA's new Cat4ward® Headers for this awesome power plant have been engineered to deliver more of that power throughout the RPM range where it can be put to good use. Any truck owner can tell you that low-end torque comes in handy when hauling or cruising. Mid-range power when charging a hill or passing on the freeway rates high on the wish list too. JBA addressed both of these areas and added an extra 15+ hp to the peak power as well. How does an extra 24 lb-ft. @ 2100 RPM sound? You have plenty of options to suit your needs as well - "works" finish stainless steel or high heat rated ceramic coated. To learn more about these finishes "

http://www.jbaheaders.com/feature_pages/04heminew.asp

This would make this statement you made...

"I have a much more power then your ecoboost , more torque ( at different Rpm)..."

...completely false since you are about 5hp less and and about 100lb-ft less.

"You don't know, how long your ecoboost will last and hoping to get rid of it, before turbo and engine goes."

This is just a stupid comment. I know you purposefully made it to try to win an argument and get under my skin just like a kindergartner would. It is hard to believe by your comments that you would be much or than 12 years old. Seriously guy, grow up and act your age then maybe one day we will let you sit and have a nice conversation at the adults table. Until then, we're done here.

@All1

My RAM 1500 HEMI has Denso alternator btw.
My Durango had Bosh or Denso. I can check for you if you like. My friend has Chrysler Aspen still, so you don't have to pull this stuff out of your oz next time.


"Also, the engine does not work harder to achieve the power"

So all the manufacturers are incredibly stupid. They don't know what All1 knows. Install programmer and engine will have much more torque and power and run easier. LOL.

@DeverMike/Paul/Tom Lemon/Greg Baird/TRX4Tom/Dave/Hemi V8/Tom Terrific/sandman 4x4/lautenslager/zveria/Bob/US Truck Driver/Glenn/Jason/Hemi Rampage/smartest truck guy/Maxx/SuperDuty37/Ken/Ron/johnny doe/jim/ALL1/Frank/Idahoe Joe/The Guy/AD/Casey/papa jim/Young Guy/BeeBe/Steve/Chris/The truck guy/Alex/Mr Chow/Yessir/All Americans/Scott/Buy American or say Bye to America/Ram Big Horn 1500/Hemi Monster/Tom Wilkinson at Chevy/mark49/Tom#3/Truck Crazy/carilloskis or whoever you want to call yourself.

Quit the crap, really.

It's getting long in the tooth.

You want to debate, but it has to be on your terms.

Learn to debate with good information, then we might be able to have a decent debate.

Opinions are good, but if they are only your view to support the UAW, then how good are they. Look at what you guys have done to Detroit.

Terror tactics (union tactics) don't work on me.

If PUTC wants the UAW or whatever to control this site I suppose it's their decision.

It's not kids like I've been told by PUTC.

F-150 alternators can be Bosch or Denso.

OEM Ram alternators are all remanufactured aftermarkets anyway. They just go for the best bang for the bucket.

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Thank you.

I know Jason.
We are just talking , what alternator engine comes from factory with.

THE BIG THREE AND THE ECONOMY.

http://www.americanautocouncil.org/sites/default/files/State_Of_The_US_Automotive_Industry_2014.pdf

@realmike

The Ecoboost 3.5L doesn't have rods its a DOHC (Double Over Head Cam) engine, NO PUSH RODS!!!!!!!!!!!

@ latwoods

Quit the crap, really.

It's getting long in the tooth.

You want to debate, but it has to be on your terms.

Learn to debate with good information, then we might be able to have a decent debate.

Opinions are good, but if they are only your view to support the UAW, then how good are they. Look at what you guys have done to Detroit.

Terror tactics (union tactics) don't work on me.

If PUTC wants the UAW or whatever to control this site I suppose it's their decision.

It's not kids like I've been told by PUTC.

@ Greg

Quit the crap, really.

It's getting long in the tooth.

You want to debate, but it has to be on your terms.

Learn to debate with good information, then we might be able to have a decent debate.

Opinions are good, but if they are only your view to support the UAW, then how good are they. Look at what you guys have done to Detroit.

Terror tactics (union tactics) don't work on me.

If PUTC wants the UAW or whatever to control this site I suppose it's their decision.

It's not kids like I've been told by PUTC.

So is Greg the self appointed Manager of this site? I doubt anything will be done with this site except to make it more like cars.com which is more of a research site for information about new cars. Maybe that is not entirely a bad thing.

@Jason

It appears you are right after my convo with my cousin. I guess I heard him wrong. He said he wasn't sure of what came on the truck, but and he replaced it with a Leece-Neville since that was all that was available up there. Did some more research and yes, Denso and Bosch makes some of Fords alternators.

@Zviera

"So all the manufacturers are incredibly stupid."

No, that is only reserved for you.


"They don't know what All1 knows. Install programmer and engine will have much more torque and power and run easier. "

Please, for the love of God go learn about engines before you speak. You are making it really hard for me to take you seriously. Tuning an engine doesn't necessarily make the engine run harder or is even harder on the engine itself. As I have said before, engines are tuned for emissions more so than anything else these days and NOT just for reliability as you think. I even posted a video of a Ram powertrain engineer stating so. You can do things like adjust the ignition and valve mapping and air/fuel ratio to gain more power without making the engine work harder. You can also add more boost. Now, before you go and say "Well that is making the turbo work harder" please go and learn how modern turbocharged engines work before you make such an ignorant statement. You can also add modification to increase power like your header. Just as JBA stated in their website about your header for the 5.7L that is added 24lb-ft at 2.100rpm. Now, does your engine work harder at 2,100rpm to get that extra power? No. Why didn't Ram add that header from the factory if it made such a gain in power? I bet the answer lies in the fact that you might no longer be EPA or CARB compliant now. I can also bet you that your Hemi would run a lot better and more reliable with less knocks with a tuned mapped for a little more power than the stock mapping tuned to meet an emissions certification.

I know that you are going to come back at me with with some way to make your Ram look better, but I insist that you take the time to read a book or two about engines before you post ignorant comments.

@All1
You are back! You said, we are done in here.

"Why didn't Ram add that header from the factory if it made such a gain in power?"

Simple answer. Cast iron crappy headers are $90 retail, maybe $5 from supplier at most. Very easy and cheep to make hundreds of pieces in one minute.
Stainless steel JBA is $640. Labor and material intense process.
Now answer me. Why is Ford not using program from your programmer to kick all the competition oz? Simple answer.
Ecoboost wouldn't last a winter. That's what in front of you player.
Ford knows exactly, when your engine is gonna fail. I know that too. We programmed that . It's not random as you might think. Random is condense air and ice ball hitting your rotor, or over spinning turbo because of your "special mode" and developing insufficient lubrication and burned spot at tooth pick size shaft spinning 200 000 Rpm. I am sure you don't keep your ecoboost running to cool it down, when at destination. Oil doesn't move without engine running. Second owner of your ecoboost, when your leasing is up, is not gonna be happy and will never buy any Ford again.
I just hope, it's not gonna be some poor guy reading PUTC, spending last money to buy this "tuned" truck . It would be best, if you won't get rid of it soon enough and need to rebuild everything, just so your dealer can get you credit for scrap metal. That would be fair.

I went to see my dealer, asking how my factory order for Cherokee Trailhawk status is and I have seen 2 Ford trucks parking right outside at customers spot. I have to admit, I didn't see this before. Never. Customers are moving and numbers don't lie.

The turbo's on the ecoboost are designed so you dont have to idle to cool down the turbo bearings by also using water cooling.

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/tech/0910phr_ford_ecoboost_six_cylinder/photo_10.html

Come on fellas. Can't we all just get along here?

All of the trucks by the big three and even the little two are great trucks. Each pickup has it's advantages and disadvantages, but as a whole we as are blessed with some of the best trucks that the auto buying public has ever seen.

People like to say the 50's and '60's were the golden age in automobiles. However, I think the golden age, particularly for performance and safety, is now. We got 700+hp Hellcat Challengers, 420hp 6.2L GM trucks and twin turbo F-150's. It's a great time for pickups, that's for sure.

Ford is still having problems with the 2013-2015 3.5 Eco-Boost engine misfire (TSB 14-00-17) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHzbE2Pt1CI

excuse me! I made a mistake on my last post.
I like to correct its the 2013 TO 2014 with eco-boost issues.
NOT the 2015!

Its the AVS Areoskin Hood Protector I have on my 2013 F-150 that nobody else has.
This sticks on the front edge of the hood above the grill and I think it looks much better than those old style bug deflectors that stick up and requires drilling holes. This was my alternative instead of a full front bra and my F-150 sticks out from the other F-150's out there cause they don't have the AVS Areoskin.
Plus I already have scratches and stone chips on the front edge of my hood and this AVS Areoskin covers it up.
As a respected friend and post member of PUTC I would highly recommend the AVS Areoskin (they also come in chrome)

What do you guys think about the 3M Paint Defender? Its a clear plastic paint you spray on the hood that can be peeled off, it dries like a clear decal that protects the paint on the hood. I was thinking about using that on my front bumper cause its color matched as the truck and its starting to look bad with stone chips.

@real Mike - "All of the trucks by the big three and even the little two are great trucks."

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/03/29/chevy-silverado-tahoe-suburban-cruze-gmc-sierra-yukon-recall/

Mike must have been born on a highway cuz thats where most accidents happen

"Each pickup has it's advantages and disadvantages..."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-01/ford-recalls-f-150-trucks-for-corrosion-of-fuel-tank-straps.html

Mike shut up, you'll never be the man your mother is

"...but as a whole we as are blessed with some of the best trucks that the auto buying public has ever seen..."

http://www.autonews.com/article/20131108/OEM11/131109820/chrysler-to-recall-1.2-million-pickups-for-possible-tie-rod-problems

I'm condescending? Do you even know what that means?

@Alberta 85
I know it has water-cooling. We went through this with All1 already. Water still moves a little , like in gravity radiator , but oil doesn't.

From your article.

"The water-cooled turbo bearings eliminate the need to idle the engine after it has reached operating temperature and reduce the potential of oil coking."

Key word "REDUCE". Not eliminate oil coking.

All1 is running engine and turbo at higher Rpm, so he will experience oil coking sooner then other turbo player.
The perfect solution would be to install auxiliary electric water and oil pump to run after engine shut down and higher capacity alternator and battery. Naah, too much money for Ford and no any service. This way, they will be busy for next 10 years fixing all the turbos. Customers will get nothing for trading in ecoboost. Better business plan.
I am happy RAM didn't go this way and makes HEMI 6.4 MDS instead. Warranty like Cummins , power more then ecoboost ,
Mpg better than HEMI 5.7 , sound like 8 cylinder and price better than diesel. My next engine.

@Alberta 85
@All1
Now, I have to admit, I am impressed by myself.

From your article Alberta 85. Thank you for that.


"Ford rates the life expectancy of the Eco-boost turbos at 10 years and 150,000 miles."

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/tech/0910phr_ford_ecoboost_six_cylinder/photo_11.html

I said All1 turbo will last 250,000 km ~ 155,000 miles. I was more generous than Ford. LOL.

Ok, as everybody knows, I don't own a Ford with eco-Boost. However, I can easily see why so many people are having trouble with the ecoBoost engines DESPITE their 150,000 rated life expectancy. Quite honestly, the only people who will get that kind of life out of their engines *know how to treat their engines*.

Last night while my wife was grocery shopping (I expected a mere 5-minute trip but she took over 30 minutes in the store) I watched not one, but TWO different ecoBoost Fords driven into the lot and parked... with smoke coming up from under the hood as the owners got out. You see, they shut the engines off while the turbos were still hot. Driven like that, there's no WONDER people are complaining about them--even if they were taught to cool the turbo before shutting down, 99% of the owners will drive the way they always have and will complain about how their engines constantly need work.

Ford has a problem on its hands and they're not willing to acknowledge it; they're so intent on making their fuel mileage ratings that they're ignoring customer feedback. It's going to get to the point that the only people driving Fords will be those who've learned how to drive with a turbo or those who buy non-turbo models. The ONLY way to fix that is to rig the computer to keep the engine running until the turbos have cooled properly--but then the drivers will complain that they can't turn off their cars, even with the keys removed.

@Zviera

"Now answer me. Why is Ford not using program from your programmer to kick all the competition oz? Simple answer."

I already told you if you would simply read. Emissions. My truck will still pass Texas emissions, but not Comifornia emissions when tuned just as you wouldn't with your headers.

There is one little kink in your that little article you posted. That article is about the Transverse Ecoboost (car version) and not the truck version. They both have different blocks, heads, and turbos. If this were true, then there wouldn't be guys with 180,000 miles on their Ecoboost trucks with no turbo replacement.

"All1 is running engine and turbo at higher Rpm, so he will experience oil coking sooner then other turbo player"

Again, please learn about turbocharged engines. My turbos or engine is not running any higher rpms than before when it was stock. .

Also, the intercooler is AFTER the turbos which makes this little "random condensed ice cubes" theory of your impossible. Again, learn about turbocharged engines before you speak because you are making yourself look stupid.

As for the rest the blah blah blah you said in, it is not worth the pocket lint in my jeans.

@zviera

I know you are going to try to find every issue or problem to further justify your marriage to Ram. Why don't you put the same amount of effort into looking into Hemi issues like the lifter tick issue that has grenaded engines. Oh no, we can't do that because that would be bad for you beloved Ram. No, you are just going to look for issues with others to fit your predetermined mind set. I guess you since your Hemi can't beat the Ecoboost like you guys said it would and have been proven wrong, then you have to do whatever you can to find a way to down it. I guess you guys are taking the politicians approach of "If you can't beat it out right, then find whatever you can to discredit it while over looking you own faults".



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