Best-Selling Pickup Trucks: July 2014

Fords Pair 2013 II

It seems that no matter how much attention the growing number of recalls is getting, new pickup truck sales keep plugging along. All the major truckmakers posted neutral or positive sales numbers for the month (and we include Toyota in that group) when compared to this time last year. The standout continues to be Ram, with a sales percentage pace for 2014 that is likely to beat the competition at the end of the year by at least 10 percentage points.

The midsize Nissan Frontier is also chugging along, getting every sale that isn't sucked up by the segment-leading Toyota Tacoma. But that won't last long. The new Chevrolet Colorado and GMC Canyon pickups, which go on sale later this year, will arrive just in time to inject some much-needed energy into the long-ignored midsize pickup category. It remains to be seen if the new midsizers will cut into GM's half-ton market share or if they will lure crossover and younger buyers back to the segment. As usual, much will depend on pricing.

The year started slowly with parts of the country hammered by bad weather, but if manufacturers decide to use strong incentives and dealers lower prices to make way for new products it will be a roller-coaster ride to the end of the year. GM's new eight-speed transmissions, the 2015 Ford F-150 and both of GM's midsize pickup trucks all get to dealers in the fourth quarter of this year.

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Comments

@DJT
I won't argue that Ford buries GM in overall sales, especially in 3/4 and 1tons. GM doesn't even have a Class 4 truck in the race. Short of bringing a 4500 and 5500 back and selling 2500 and 3500 trucks at half price, they will never catch Ford- even with an equal or better truck. I'm just saying that although Chevy sales could be better, the redesign has not been the failure that some would have us believe.

RAM HISTORY

1979 BANKRUPT

1998 to 2007 DAIMLER OWNED AND THEY BAILED.GERMANS ARE SMART

2007 to 2009 CERBERUS INVESTMENT CLEARING HOUSE

2009 CHAPTER 11...BANKRUPT

2009 FLEDGLING FIAT COMES POKING AROUND THE CRAP PILE AND BECOMES THE NEW OWNER.

FIAT WILL BE THE LAST OWNER AS IT WILL BE DEAD WITHIN THE DECADE.... ALREADY LOSING PROFITS...55%

RAM OWNERS ... THERE WILL BE NO GOVERNMENT BAILOUT ON YOUR WARRANTIES THIS TIME AROUND...YOUR WARRANTIES WILL NOT BE HONORED!

DO YOU KNOW CHYRSLER/DODGE/FIAT/RAM HAVE THE LEAST REPEAT CUSTOMER OF ANY BRAND... ANY BRAND.

MORE PEOPLE SELECT OTHER BRANDS AFTER OWNING A CHYRSLER/DODGE/FIAT/RAM.... WHY IS THAT?

POOR RELIABILITY

NO VALUE AS THEIR PRODUCTS DEPRECIATE THE FASTEST

POOR WARRANTY SERVICE

FIAT IS PLAYING A GAME OF MARKETING WITH GLITZ SHOCK AND AWE... HEMI BADGED VEHICLES THAT DO NOT HAVE HEMI ENGINES,THIS IS A FACT. THE ENGINES DO NOT HAVE HEMIPHERICAL CHAMBERS... FALSE ADVERTISING AND A MARKETING PLOY.

COIL SPRING SUSPENSIONS TO ENTICE THE CONSUMER TO SPEND $1500 MORE TO HAVE AIR BAG OPTON SO YOUR TRUCK DOESN'T SQUAT WITH A AVERAGED SIZED FAMILYS LOAD OF GROCERIES IN THE BOX.

TIE ROD ISSUES AND REAR END ISSUES IN RAM NOT BEING ADDRESSED!

HIGH SPEED WOBBLE

FAILED ROLLOVER CRASH TESTS ON RAM ESSENTIALLY MAKING THEM LETHAL TO OCCUPANTS IN THE CASE OF A ROLLOVER.

DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFORE YOU BUY A RAM OR FIAT PRODUCT AS YOUR ASSET COULD DEPRECIATE BEFORE YOUR EYES, END UP OFTEN IN SERVICE, HAVE WARRANTY ISSUES NOT ADDRESSED OR PUT YOU AND YOUR FAMILY IN LETHAL DANGER AS THEY FAILED TO MAKE A SAFE CAB TO WITH STAND CRASHES.

RAM BUYERS BEWARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE END IS NEAR FOR FIAT AND MOPAR UNION... THE SIGNS OF TROUBLE ARE BREWING!

Fiat is in trouble, big trouble. It is not only a matter of its home market, Italy, or the delay in plans for new products. The problems with its factories and Fabbrica Italia are just some more to the latest one. What used to be the main strength of the group is now being hit hard by Europe’s largest car maker. VW is having great results with its trio Up!/Mii/Citigo and it means that Fiat is feeling the success of the Slovaks with less sales figures for its couple 500/Panda. Last month is the best example as sales figures for the Italian couple drop while the VW trio seems not to feel the crisis. As I have done it during the last months, the analysis takes into account the sales figures for Fiat 500 and Panda vs. the trio together, Up!, Mii and Citigo, as they are the same car. The analysis includes the countries where there is data available every month: the largest markets, Germany, France, Italy and Spain (except the UK) plus Netherlands, Ireland, Sweden, Denmark, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, Austria, Switzerland, Romania and Greece. 16 countries that can tell a lot about sales trend of these small cars. Due to lack of data important markets as the UK, Belgium and Portugal are out of the monthly analysis. Nevertheless even though the UK is not included (is the second largest market for the 500 in Europe), the results for August indicate that Fiat should be worrying a lot.

Fiat Troubles Deepen as Chrysler Net Falls

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887323982704578452634164658240

The new Fiat Chrysler faces a rougher road than many think

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/2014/02/06/af088988-8f71-11e3-b227-12a45d109e03_story.html

Sergio Marchionne, Fiat’s chief executive, is an even bigger corporate cowboy than he seems to be. Not only is he trying to combine two smallish, debt-laden auto companies from two separate continents into a single efficient global giant, which is an enormous gamble, but he’s also taken on a huge risk that very few people recognize. A risk that Fiat declined to discuss with me. A risk that I didn’t hear a single analyst raise during the company’s recent two-hour conference call to discuss its fourth-quarter earnings and its plans for the future.

I’m talking about the risk that Fiat has now assumed for the shortfall in Chrysler’s pension funds. This liability, $5.5 billion by U.S. accounting standards, exceeds the $4.9 billion that Fiat paid for all of Chrysler. The pension liability is considerably less than the $8.9 billion it was a year ago. But it’s still very large, even for what is now the world’s seventh-largest auto company.

Fiat took on this obligation on Jan. 21, when it bought the 41.5 percent Chrysler stake owned by a trust for Chrysler retirees. Because Fiat now owns 100 percent of Chrysler, all of Fiat’s assets — not just Chrysler’s assets, as was previously the case — are now at risk should Chrysler, which has had three near-death experiences since the late 1970s, get into financial trouble yet another time.

That liability isn’t something that I’ve conjured up. It’s a real obligation, as the U.S. Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp. (PBGC ) told me when I asked. This federal agency, which insures corporate pensions, told me that all of Fiat’s assets are liable for any pension shortfalls should Chrysler run into big financial trouble.

When I asked Chrysler about this, I was referred to Fiat. I tried to engage Fiat spokesman Richard Gadeselli in a conversation, but all I could extract from him, via e-mail, was the following elegantly phrased “no comment”: “I would mention that since the consolidation of Chrysler’s numbers [in 2011], Fiat’s balance sheet has included the pension obligations to which you refer. It is therefore incorrect to assume that these liabilities are somehow ‘new’ following the final acquisition of outstanding Chrysler shares. The Company has no further comment to make at this time.”


What Gadeselli isn’t addressing, however, is that for pension liability purposes, there’s a big difference between controlling Chrysler, as Fiat has since 2009, and owning 100 percent of it. When Fiat owned only 58.5 percent of Chrysler, the PBGC told me, it wasn’t clear whether the agency could successfully pursue Fiat’s non-Chrysler assets if Chrysler got into big trouble. But the PBGC says that because Fiat now owns 100 percent of Chrysler, there’s no question that all of what will become Fiat Chrysler Automobiles is “jointly and severally liable” for pension shortfalls if Chrysler’s plan has to be terminated.

The PBGC has gotten increasingly aggressive when it comes to joint-and-several liability for non-U.S. companies owning U.S. businesses. The agency has successfully (at least so far) sued a Japanese company, Asahi Tec, for pension shortfalls at its bankrupt Michigan auto parts subsidiary, Metaldyne. The PBGC also managed to get Germany-based Daimler, which owned Chrysler from 1998 to 2007, to put cash into the Michigan automaker’s pension plans as a condition of approving the sale of a majority stake in Chrysler to Cerberus, the big private equity house.

So why is Fiat doing this? Even though the company wouldn’t talk to me, I think it’s clear what’s going on. Total ownership of Chrysler makes it easier for Fiat to move its headquarters from business-unfriendly Italy to England. In addition, allocating costs, doing taxes and shifting money around between a wholly owned Fiat and a partly owned Chrysler would be hideously complex. This way, things are simpler.

Finally, you can make a case that Fiat might not be viable, long term, on its own. So why not go all in on Chrysler? You may still lose — but at least this way, you have a chance to win. Which is how corporate cowboys play the game. 

DETROIT -- When Chrysler Group, just months after a federal bailout spared it from liquidation, unveiled plans to radically grow sales five years ago, it had plenty of doubters.

"A lot of people thought we were on some serious hallucinogenic drugs," said Reid Bigland, the head of U.S. sales operations.

Even though the company hit most of its targets, the new five-year plan laid out last week by Fiat Chrysler Automobiles left many analysts and investors wondering whether the executive team was tripping again.

Fiat shares fell so sharply in Italy after the plan, which involves capital investments totaling more than $65 billion, was announced that trading had to be halted briefly the next day. The skepticism prompted Chairman John Elkann and CEO Sergio Marchionne to each buy more than 130,000 shares in a show of confidence.

Analysts generally reacted favorably to the direction of the plan but labeled the financial and sales projections too optimistic.

"Conceptually, the things that they want to do and the risks that they want to take all make sense to me," said Jeff Schuster, senior vice president of forecasting for LMC Automotive. "But when you put the numbers with it, that's where I have trouble. It's a lot to try to bite off and rework in a short period. I just think this is too ambitious."

Over the top?


Fiat Chrysler's 5-year targets left many analysts wondering whether they are too ambitious.
2018 2013 Change
Global sales 7 million 4.4 million 59%
Jeep 1.9 million 732,000 160%
Chrysler brand 800,000 350,000 129%
Alfa Romeo 400,000 74,000 441%
U.S. share 15.80% 11.40% 39%
Revenue $183 billion $121 billion 52%
Profit margins 7% 4.10% 71%


'Plenty of obstacles'


Even Marchionne acknowledged that portions of the plan, which calls for Fiat Chrysler's annual global sales to increase 59 percent to 7 million by 2018, depend on "near-perfect execution."

That statement concerned analysts from IHS Automotive, who wrote in a report last week that the company's recent product launches "have been anything but 'near perfect.'"

Marchionne said the company can ramp down some investments if vehicles are not received as well as expected.

While that would keep Fiat Chrysler from getting itself into trouble financially, the IHS analysts wrote that "it also means that this aggressive plan could see delays in execution and may not meet aggressive sales targets as quickly as outlined."

They concluded: "There are plenty of obstacles for FCA to drive over on their way to 7 million."

Bigland: Sales chief thinks big.

Market share goal


The plan shows Fiat Chrysler increasing its U.S. market share to 15.8 percent in 2018 from 11.4 percent in 2013.

That would roughly match Ford Motor Co.'s 2013 share of 15.9 percent and presumably make it a bigger player than Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A., whose Toyota, Lexus and Scion brands had 14.3 percent of the market last year.

Since 1957, Chrysler has posted U.S. share of at least 15.8 percent only twice: 16.2 percent in 1996 and 16.1 percent in 1998. The increase that Fiat Chrysler projects is equal to the size of the Hyundai brand in the United States.

A large part of that target depends on the Alfa Romeo luxury brand going from nonexistent in North America to annual sales of 150,000 units in 2018.

"You have to have time to prove yourself, and four and a half years isn't enough time to do so," Schuster said. "I think they can get on the right track, but this is too tight to hit that."

In contrast, it took Lexus 10 years to reach that volume from the time it was introduced. BMW needed 25 years, Audi needed 41 years, and Mercedes-Benz needed 47 years. Infiniti and Volvo still haven't gotten there.

The plan calls for global sales of Alfa Romeo to more than quadruple, and for sales of the Jeep and Chrysler brands to more than double. Jeep, which the plan shows growing from 732,000 sales last year to 1.9 million in 2018, accounts for nearly half of the volume increase that the company projects.

Financially, the company said global revenue would rise an average of 9 percent annually through 2018, to $183 billion.

If Fiat Chrysler achieves that goal in 2018, that would be more than Ford Motor or General Motors posted in 2013.

Because unit sales are projected to increase 10 percent annually on average, the plan calls for revenue per vehicle to decline by $1,275, to $26,243. The company plans to significantly boost sales in low-sticker, emerging markets such as China and India.

At the same time, efforts to save money by standardizing parts and using common vehicle platforms around the world will help increase profit margins, according to the company's forecasts.

Margins are projected to rise from 4.1 percent last year to about 7 percent in 2018. Margins are defined as earnings before interest income and taxes as a percentage of revenues.

That margin increase would triple the company's earnings before interest and taxes to about 9 billion euros, or about $12.53 billion at current exchange rates.

Fiat Auto: The Italian Giant in Trouble

http://www.icmrindia.org/casestudies/catalogue/Business%20Strategy1/BSTR050.htm

Fiat Has More Trouble Selling Cars

http://247wallst.com/autos/2014/07/14/fiat-has-more-trouble-selling-cars/


THE DEATH MARCH IS ON

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I told you so. Ford reached the market penetration and it's going down for few month. The new one from recycled aluminum is going to weight very close to the RAM and won't save them.
New Nissan is going to eat some portion of FORD.
RAM is going to build a new factory.

RAM for president !

A continuing YTD trend.

Ford YTD outselling GMC + Chevy combined which it does do on occasion.

Ram climbing at an accelerated rate to Ford and mostly GMs detriment in market share.

The most important aspect of things here is that Ford is holding its own with a VERY long in the tooth F150 design up against a very recent GM redesign and a very successful Ram redesign.

I dont see how anyone can not see that the last GM redesign is a massive failure due primarily to lack of innovation because of its failure to take marketshare from the old F150.

There will be lots of dribble about rebates and incentives which eb and flow and they all give and take away. Thats why YTD stats are the ones that really matter.

@Clint
I agree. Both the Ford and Ram designs are 5 years old and they are doing just fine. When the GMT900 platform was 5 years old, they weren't doing nearly as well.

I think that part of Ram's success is due in part to gaining buyers who have left GM. The Ford vs. Chevy rivalry is so strong that someone who has traditionally purchased GM would not be that likely to go out and buy a Ford. Ram is kind of the "middle man" so to speak. They are basically a middle ground for ex Ford or GM buyers.

What gets me is that the GM people fail to accept that the trucks are a complete failure. Instead they go on a long escapade how Ford and Ram are "cheating" by using large discounts and fleet/rental sales. Until GM accepts the fact that they have to discount their trucks, they are not going to move inventory.

FORD IS NUMBER ONE==Ford most recalled brand of all. Record for the largest recalls in auto history. No other brand has bigger recalls or more recalls for FIRES! Consumer reports reliability ford 27th out of 28 brands in the study. 60% of Ford vehicles under the average for reliability. Shortest warranty of all 3 truck brands. Ford out powered by Ram. Out handled by Ram with 1,000lb payload with coils. Ram spanks eco boost uphill loaded and unloaded. Ram out tows ford in King of the beast test. Ram has better mileage than ford. Ram longest lasting pickup in harsh climate of Canada. Ram winner of motor trend truck of the year two times in a Row. Ram truck of Texas.

http://money.cnn.com/2014/05/27/autos/biggest-auto-recalls/index.html


Dodge/Ram pickups are Canada’s longest-lasting trucks, as measured by the percentage of pickups sold since 1987 (25 years ago; model years 1988-2012) that are still on the road today.
79% of Ram pickups sold in the last 25 years are still registered, compared with 66% of Ford pickups and 72% of General Motors pickups.

In a HEMI
Yes, you can sail Pismo Beach
In a HEMI
Yes, you ram your RamBox
In a HEMI
Come on show some guts and buy Ram
In a HEMI, in a HEMI RAM
Can't you see we need you
In the HEMI
Come on, protect the NETHERLANDS
In the HEMI
Come on and join your fellow Hemi fan
In the HEMI
Come on be bold and try the new HD coil springs
In the HEMI, in the HEMI, in the HEMI (in the hemi)

They want you, they want you
Fiat wants you as a new recruit!

Who HEMI V8?

http://youtu.be/InBXu-iY7cw?t=1m31nc s

Posted by: Mike | Aug 1, 2014 5:19:31 PM

I like this. In a Hemi!

IN THE HEMI!

http://youtu.be/InBXu-iY7cw?t=1m33s

If you like GUTS and GLORY,
don't forget to enter
the RAM dealership!

They want you, they want you,
RAM wants you as a new recruit!

Oh that is too funny!

Choosing a Village People song for a Hemi theme song. Dancing gay men everywhere singing "In the Hemi". Now I know what you guys do in your Ramtard club meetings. Do you guys also dress up like the Village People too?

I'm sorry, I just can't help it. It is just too ridiculously funny.

Keep up the great job FORD, king of all trucks . And although I like some of the styling and features of the Ram I am tired of hearing some of these clowns on here talk about them being the best at this and that etc. Sales don't lie, rams still have poor reliability and crash test issues...NO guts, no glory, Cram..

I wouldn't call Ford a King . More like Fleet Queen.

@HEMI V8, We went down to the river. Oh, down to the river ride...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3-PJYPVCQ8

Why all this war about GM, Dodge ram, Ford.All the 3 vehicles are great, and with camarro, charger, challenger and Mustang Real leggends in a world of an all the same soaps on 4 wheels, genuine American vehicles :-), so enjoy them as long they are here, in 10 years you will find only 4 cylinders or electric pickups, not anymore a genuine American v 8

THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE A 2003 Ford.

NHTSA Repeats Caution to Owners of Various Recalled Ford Vehicles on Fire Risk

Thursday, October 21, 2010
According to NHTSA, approximately 17.5 million Ford vehicles have been involved in the recalls since 1999 because of a faulty cruise control disconnect switch which can overheat and burn - potentially causing a vehicle fire long after the engine has been turned off. NHTSA noted that Ford Motor Company has been diligent in contacting owners of the affected vehicles, including sending re-notification letters to owners in many cases. Despite notification efforts, NHTSA estimates that there may be several million vehicles still on the road with the dangerous defect.
Recall Date:
MAR 06, 2007
Model Affected:
2003 Ford F-150
Summary:
ON CERTAIN TRUCKS EQUIPPED WITH SPEED CONTROL, GASOLINE OR NATURAL GAS ENGINES, THE SPEED CONTROL DEACTIVATION SWITCH MAY OVERHEAT.
Consequences:
OVERHEATING COULD RESULT IN SMOKE, BURN, OR AN UNDERHOOD FIRE.
Remedy:
DEALERS WILL INSTALL A FUSED WIRING HARNESS INTO THE SPEED CONTROL SYSTEM FREE OF CHARGE. THE RECALL BEGAN ON MARCH 12, 2007. OWNERS MAY CONTACT FORD AT 1-800-392-3673. (NOTE: ALSO SEE RECALLS 05V017, 05V388, AND 06V286)
Potential Units Affected:
155584
Notes:
FORD MOTOR COMPANY


Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2003/ford/f_150/recalls/#ixzz39DzO0LeI

Recall Date:
JUL 29, 2011
Model Affected:
2003 Ford F-150
Summary:
FORD IS RECALLING CERTAIN 1997 THROUGH 2003 MODEL YEAR FORD F-150, 2004 MODEL YEAR FORD F-150 HERITAGE, 1997 THROUGH 1999 MODEL YEAR F-250 LESS THAN 8,500 LBS. GROSS VEHICLE WEIGHT RATING (GVWR), AND 2002 AND 2003 LINCOLN BLACKWOOD VEHICLES MANUFACTURED FROM JUNE 20, 1995, THROUGH AUGUST 4, 2004, ORIGINALLY SOLD, OR CURRENTLY REGISTERED IN, CONNECTICUT, DELAWARE, ILLINOIS, INDIANA, IOWA, KENTUCKY, MAINE, MARYLAND, MASSACHUSETTS, MICHIGAN, MINNESOTA, MISSOURI, NEW HAMPSHIRE, NEW JERSEY, NEW YORK, OHIO, PENNSYLVANIA, RHODE ISLAND, VERMONT, WEST VIRGINIA, WISCONSIN, AND THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA. PROLONGED EXPOSURE TO ROAD DEICING CHEMICALS MAY CAUSE SEVERE CORROSION OF THE FUEL TANK STRAPS WHICH SECURE THE TANK TO THE VEHICLE.
Consequences:
AS A RESULT OF THE CORROSION, ONE OR BOTH STRAPS MAY FAIL ALLOWING THE FUEL LINES TO SEPARATE FROM THE TANK, OR IN SOME CASES, CAUSING THE TANK TO CONTACT THE GROUND. EITHER SCENARIO MAY RESULT IN A FUEL LEAK PRESENTING A........... FIRE HAZARD.


Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2003/ford/f_150/recalls/#ixzz39DzbfFcO

POOR CRASH RATING

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yftjO49KGXI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvBm894SDbQ

RAMJUNK ?
Don't get mad at me cause Ford is losing market share to Ram.
The sales figures do not lie. A blind man can see Ford is in trouble and Ram is gaining .
I am ashamed I own a 2013 F-150 and the only reason I am still driving it is cause Ford Service treats me so good.
Everybody who is somebody, who is popular in my neck in the woods drives a Ram 1500 4x4.
I am ashamed that the Ram Hemi 5.7 gets better gas mileage PLUS better performance than my F-150 , the Hemi engine sounds better too!
When I drive my F-150 around town I wear dark sunglasses and keep my sun visor down so nobody can see me cause I am embarrassed to be seen driving it!

Motor Trend gave the Ram 1500 the truck of the year award for 2 YEARS IN A ROW

Consumer Reports gave the Ram 1500 the RECOMMENDED AWARD

So? are these experts wrong?

I see Lou BC and his alter ego Ram Junk is on an all out Jihad against this forum. Pretty sad how Lou BC and his alter ego Ram Junk have pretty much ruined this place.

I bet Lou BC/Ram Junk is just a 14 year old kid on his mommies computer.

Ram Big Horn 1500

I have to disagree with you about Lou BC, he brings up good points and he does it with dignity and intelligence so I feel a need to defend him cause I enjoy reading what he has to say.

BUT!
on the other hand I AGREE with you about RAM JUNK, he's insulting using curse words.

Sorry I have to disagree with you about Lou BC, he is using all these tags like jihad, and calling mohammand and crap.

Seems anyone who likes a Ram truck gets tagged with muslim crap from Lou BC, this thread alone has many posts from Lou BC doing just that.

Maybe if Lou BC wants to start acting like an adult again he can build his reputation but as it is now Lou BC can take all his muslim garbage and stuff it.

I'm a Ford man, but with that said, glad to see Ram doing well. I considered a Ram while shopping for my current truck. But I went with the F150. But the new Rams dressed up nicely are beautiful trucks.My brother a DIE HARD Chevy man, is looking at Ram for his next truck. A long time child hood friend of ours, A DIE HARD Chevy man now drives a f150. and loves it. LOL.

Wow...I can't believe I've wasted any time at all reading the nonsense that is being posted here. Some of you are being way too defensive. I've always been a Dodge/Ram guy. I've had no issues that would lead me to another brand and I'm happy to say that. I'm not saying my trucks have been perfect, but they've all been damn good trucks. I've always been a proponent of buying what you like/want and leaving it at that. Do I think that Ram has the best trucks on the market? Sure I do, but all the trucks on the market are very powerful, packed with technological advances not dreamed of just 10 years ago and much more dependable than any of their predecessors. I love the competition among the full size trucks. It is by far the most competitive segment in the auto industry. Besides, if we all bought the same thing, that would be incredibly boring.

You guys are getting on Ramjunk, but NOT Hemi. He doing that same thing that Hemi is doing. At first I thought Ramjunk was Hemi V8 since they post so similarly to each other, but I am not thinking that is the case anymore. I think he's playing Hemi V8 at his own game. Do I agree with it.

When I first stated posting on the site, no. However, with Mark Williams' refusal to do anything about those posters like Hemi V8, I am on the fence about how I feel about what he is doing. I don't like posters like Hemi V8 and Ramjunk because they flood these articles with useless posts about nothing relevant to the article or what those in the comments section are talking about. On the other hand, I can see fighting fire with fire with Hemi V8 since he will not stop after we asked him time and time again. Those who comment here welcome intellectual conversations based on facts and even a little all in good fun busting of the balls. What Hemi V8 does is NOT welcomed and his outright selfish refusal to stop his immature crap has created a monster just like him. Now it will be just about useless to even comment in these sections anymore. So if you guys get on Ramjunk about his posts, be sure to include Hemi V8 in there too.

It's good to see, that customers recognize the only Honest Brand RAM.
They don't cheat with payload like Ford and GM does. RAM is the only Honest Brand from big 3. Good job RAM. My presence and probably the future truck.


http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php/2014/07/ram-alone-in-honest-hd-pickup-ratings

How is this being honest on Ram's part when you can't tow what they say you can without going over pay lot with you in the truck at its ax tow rating.

I know you probably already looked it up and saw what I am talking about so this is for the others. I will use a crew cab since it will more then likely be the most bought configuration. Also, the tongue weight of a gooseneck is generally between 20 to 25 percent of a trailers weight and I will use the least amount of 20%.

2014 Ram 3500 DRW 6.7L SLT/Bighorn/Outdoorsman Crew cab 2wd 4.10 gears

Tow rating: 29,300lbs 
Payload: 5,946lbs

20% of the 29,300lbs trailer tow rating is 5,860lbs which will be our tongue weight.

This Rams payload of 5,946lbs minus the 5,860lb tongue weight leaves you with only 86lbs left in payload.


2015 Ford F450 DRW 6.7L XL/XLT Crew cab 2wd 4.30 gears

Tow rating: 31,200lbs
Payload: 7,080lbs

20% of the 31,200lb trailer tow rating is 6,240lbs which will be out tongue weight.

This F450s payload of 7,080lbs minis the 6,240lb tongue weight leaves you with 840lbs left in payload.

This is why they decided to use an F450 and not an F350. they figured you wanted to use your crew cab as a crew cab even when towing at max weight.

Posted by: ALL1 | Jul 31, 2014 6:06:53 PM

How many 86lb grown men do you know?

And those numbers above were going by a 20% gooseneck tongue weight which is on the low side of the 20% to 25% that it usually is
If you even split that 20% to 25% to make it 22.5% then that would put that Ram 3500 above way over it's payload. The only honest one? I think not.

Ram The Only Honest One For Heavy Duty Truck Ratings

After the recent discovery that Ford had been tossing out the spare tire, jack, radio, and console of its F-450 to make it (barely) fit into the weight rating of a class three truck (while increasing its payload slightly but cutting the base weight), Larry Vellequette of Automotive News noted that GM had started playing the same game on its own trucks to boost payload ratings. In GM’s case, a full bumper was actually jettisoned, and lighter wheels were used.

Both companies rationalized their choices based on the fact that companies can choose to delete these items from their orders. However, generally, those who delete the radio, spare, jack, bumper, and such, do so in order to install their own equipment, which presumably has greater than zero mass. The end result is that the advertised payload is not what typical buyers can expect, and in Ford’s case, a class four truck can pretend to be in class three.

Ram and Toyota both use standard curb weight as the basis for their payload and weight ratings, as per the SAE standard. While Ram has only officially announced adherence to SAE standards for the 2015 model year, their 2014 and 2015 figures are nearly identical. Toyota has held to SAE standards for some time, but they only sell class one pickups in the United States, while Ram sells in classes one through three.

All1, you can try to spread your BS about Rams but the fact is they are the standard.

@All1- besides himself.....

@All1, Let me STATE THIS AGAIN. Check the record. Go back and see who starts with the bashing first. Clue the Ford Flame club. So again put your dog on a leash and you will see great improvements on the blogs.

@All1

You don't know as much about tongue weights as you think. The maximum tongue weight for a fifth wheel is 25%, notice that is the MAXIMUM TOUGUE WEIGHT.


To the good truck people of all brands I apologise ... to the idiots who are ruining this site.

Posted by: RAMJUNK | Aug 2, 2014 12:37:42 PM

All you need to do is look in the mirror.

@ Hemi V8

BS, you have been doing your Ram jihad every since I started reading PUTC. I have checked the record. There are countless articles where you posted you BS out of the blue with nobody even saying anything about Ram. When I get back to my laptop(I am on my phone now) then I will post them. There are countless article where you start posting Ram commercials and Ford recalls just because the article is positive towards Ford. So don't try to BS me in saying that others start it all the time. Ramjunk just recently started posting here frequently in the past few weeks. YOU have been posting immature childish crap for the past two years since I have been posting here.


@Ram Big Horn 1500

How is what I said BS? Those numbers came straight from Ram's tow charts. They are factual and I did not make them up. My math is also correct so again, what part is BS?

It's good to see, that customers recognize right truck for their needs and they can be assured, there are no inflated numbers just Honest ones. F450 is not even in the same class like RAM 3500, cheating with removing spare tire, radio and bumpers, not to mention not J2807 certified numbers.
Here is another Honest win over Ford .

Best in price towing.

http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php/2014/08/best-in-price-towing-advantage-ram

Good work RAM. Never go the Ford and GM pass.

Best-in-price towing: Advantage Ram

by Bill Cawthon • Posted on August 2nd, 2014

As Allpar has reported, Ford tossed parts off its F-450 Super Duty to allow it to squeak under the 14,000-pound Class 3 limit so the folks in Dearborn could claim best-in-class towing for a Class 3 pickup.

Despite some saber-rattling from Ford, Chrysler maintains, with some justification, that the Ram 3500 still offers the best-in-class towing when things like spare tires, jacks, radios and other items that are standard equipment, are included in the weight.

While bragging rights are important, they aren’t the only factors when it comes to investing in a hard-working truck.

And that’s where Ram has another advantage: best-in-price towing.

Those 1,200 extra pounds offered with the F-450 are going to cost an extra $8,405 over the cost of the 30,000-pound capacity Ram 3500. That works out to about $7.00 per additional pound.

In terms of cost-per-pound of towing capacity, the Ram 3500 is even less expensive than the Ford F-350. When equipped with the regular cab, 8-foot bed, 6.7L diesel and six speed automatic transmission, the Ford stickers at $42,820, which is $1,690 less than the Ram. However, the F-350 is rated at only 26,700 pounds of towing capacity, which works out to $1.60/pound by our unit-pricing formula. That’s 12 cents per pound more than the Ram.

This brings a whole new dimension to the term “best-in-class.”

http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php/2014/08/best-in-price-towing-advantage-ram

@All1, Look up the word Maximum.

max·i·mum [mak-suh-muhm] Show IPA


noun, plural max·i·mums, max·i·ma [mak-suh-muh]

1. the greatest quantity or amount possible, assignable, allowable, etc.


2. the highest amount, value, or degree attained or recorded.


3. an upper limit allowed or allowable by law or regulation.

RamJunk,

What is your other user name?

@Ram Big Horn 1500

I guess you don't get it. Let me explain it a little better.

In the crew cab Ram truck I posted above, it had a 29,300 lb MAXIMUM tow rating. Its payload was 5,946 lbs. The tongue weight of gooseneck trailer is between 20% to 25% of the trailers MAXIMUM weight. So if this truck was towing a trailer at it's MAXIMUM weight of 29,300 lbs then that would mean a 20% tongue weight would be 5,860 lbs. This 5,860 lbs gets subtracted from the trucks 5,946 lb payload which leaves you with 86 lbs of payload left for the driver. How many 86 lb men do you see on a regular basis?

So do you get it now? The truck does not have enough payload to tow it's MAXIMUM tow rating and have a driver that is over 86 lbs in the truck. How can you tow without a driver?

GM had a great month selling their new full size SUVS and there is hardly any competition to slow down the sales in the future. If GM did not have the full size SUVS in their lineup, how many of those buyers would then buy a crew cab GM truck for their needs? Ram has nothing in the segment of full size SUVS and Ford has the Expedition and Navagator. Something to think about along with GM not offering a 4500 or 5500 truck to raise their sales.

GM sold just short of 28,000 of their new full size suvs in the month of July. I am curious how many of them would have been pickup sales if GM did not offer a full size suv. Ram has no full size suv and Ford has the Expedition and the Navagator.

@Greg
RAM doesn't have any SUV, but Dodge has Durango.

Next time you guys need to buy a real, American muscle truck, get a Tundra.

I'm just mad cos I can't afford any truck

Hurray for my truck, my brand is better than yours. Fanboyism is alive and well on this site. Very little intelligent discussion, reminds me of high school. Nothing like middle age men acting like juveniles.



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