Best-Selling Pickup Trucks: July 2014

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It seems that no matter how much attention the growing number of recalls is getting, new pickup truck sales keep plugging along. All the major truckmakers posted neutral or positive sales numbers for the month (and we include Toyota in that group) when compared to this time last year. The standout continues to be Ram, with a sales percentage pace for 2014 that is likely to beat the competition at the end of the year by at least 10 percentage points.

The midsize Nissan Frontier is also chugging along, getting every sale that isn't sucked up by the segment-leading Toyota Tacoma. But that won't last long. The new Chevrolet Colorado and GMC Canyon pickups, which go on sale later this year, will arrive just in time to inject some much-needed energy into the long-ignored midsize pickup category. It remains to be seen if the new midsizers will cut into GM's half-ton market share or if they will lure crossover and younger buyers back to the segment. As usual, much will depend on pricing.

The year started slowly with parts of the country hammered by bad weather, but if manufacturers decide to use strong incentives and dealers lower prices to make way for new products it will be a roller-coaster ride to the end of the year. GM's new eight-speed transmissions, the 2015 Ford F-150 and both of GM's midsize pickup trucks all get to dealers in the fourth quarter of this year.

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What one needs to do is look at GCWR (gross combined weight ratings)
I looked at the Ram site and they do not list GCWR for the 1500.


@Zviera

"No All1, I wasn't over my payload."

Then prove it, because everything else you stated before says you were.

Lets start all over.

We already established how much the Versys weighs which is 526lbs. Now just fill in the blanks for the rest and we can get to the bottom of this.

You weighed _____ lbs

The other adult in the truck weighed ____ lbs

The 18 year old weighed _____ lbs

The 16 year old weighed _____ lbs

The gear in the truck weighed about _____ lbs

Your 21 ft trailer weighs ______ lbs.


Like I said, your own statements from the previous article proves you were overloaded. Either that or you seriously do not know how to load a trailer. You would have to be severely under weight AND would have had to not know what you were doing enough to put well over 700lbs on the rear of that trailer to make it have a very unsafe tongue weight on order to not be over your payload.

@All1
700lbs on the back would mean my tongue weight is at least 700lbs and my trailer is 7000lbs.
Your assumption is based on 10% tongue weight , my family weight and my aluminum trailer weight which is off almost 1000 lbs from yours 5000lbs btw.
So what do you arguing about, if all of your numbers are wrong?
All of them except Versys.

There is nothing more to prove. I didn't overload my truck. You might not like it, but that's just about it.
And honestly I would be crazy to list my family weight, my trailer weight and my tongue weight.
You are nobody to me All1.
Start using sway control brake and our roads are going to be much more safer.

@zviera

"Your assumption is based on 10% tongue weight , ."

The reason why I use the 10-15% rule is because it is the safe limit. Just about every travel trailer comes from the factory is built within a 10-15% tongue weight. Don't believe, call the manufacturer of your trailer. You would have to purposely load it incorrectly to make it go out of that 10-15% range. Also, 10-15% is the correct, safe number to strive for. Ask any other RVer. It is your job to ensure you keep your TT within those percentages(just as your sway control manufacturer stated) as a responsible motorist and RVer. This is why I use 10%, because if it isn't then you are doing it wrong. Again, go ask any RVer, trailer manufacturer, or trailer products manufacturer. A person who is a responsible RVer would know this so why are you arguing the 10%?

"my family weight and my aluminum trailer weight which is off almost 1000 lbs from yours 5000lbs btw"

Okay, now we are getting somewhere. So the trailer is almost 1,000lbs off from 5,000 which would put it in the 4,000lbs range by what you just said. So going off the 10% rule, the tongue weight would be 400 lbs. The WDH send 25% of that weight back to the trailer axle so that would be a 300lbs. Take away 300lbs from your 1,071lbs payload and you are left with 771lbs. We also know the weight of the Versys which is 526lbs, so that taken away from the remaining 771lbs is 245 lbs left for you and your family. Thgis is just a hinch, but I don't think you and your family weigh less than 245lbs.

Since you are so fanatical about being irresponsible and towing with a tongue weight of less than 10% then Lets see where we lie at 5% even thought this percentage if very unsafe and you would be able to go that fast due to the sway even with a sway control. So 5% of 4,000lbs is 200lbs. That 200lbs minus the 25% WDH take away is 150lbs. That 150lbs and the 526lb Versys taken away from your trucks 1,071 lbs payload leaves you with 395lbs left for your weight, your families weight, and the weight of what ever gear you brought with you.

Sorry, but the numbers are saying that YOU WERE OVER YOUR PAYLOAD.


"And honestly I would be crazy to list my family weight, my trailer weight and my tongue weight"

Yes, because you know you were over your payload and don't want to admit it or implicate yourself any further.

@All1
Sway control bars is not the same like sway control friction brake.
I have installed both.
I have set 0, zero tongue weight, because I knew All1 is going to argue about RAM 1500 payload , like he always does.
I didn't overload my truck, and that's only what matters.


@zviera


So what you are saying is that you are a very irresponsible RVer and motorist by having 0 (zero) tongue weight (which is impossible with a WDH) making your truck harder and unsafe to drive. Even that sway control device will not help the sway with this impossible to get zero tongue weight. Your trailer started with a 10% to 15% tongue weight and you purposely adjust your load to make it lower than 10%.

Even though I know this is all BS because you don't want to man up and admit you overloaded your truck when all the numbers are saying you did. Say what you want to say, you overloaded your truck.

@All1
Prove it.

@zviera

I just did. Look at the comments above.

@All1
In your head.The judge would throw your case out.
Good luck to you next time.

@All1 -

What we have here is a guy with a big ego who has been proven wrong.

He won't admit it even though that would be much wiser than rationalizing it and looking like a completely incompetent imbecile.


I personally have learned a lot from these debates and I am more careful about what I carry and how I secure it. I even pay more attention to what I see around me.

@zviera

No, my numbers are based off your own words. The very fact that you haven't even posted any numbers proving me wrong implicates you.

Lets, who would someone believe? One that shows that you overloaded your truck based on the numbers and what you have stated in the past -OR- someone who just says "I didn't overload my truck" without anything to back it up.

You can say you didn't overload your truck all you want because you are too prideful of you favor brand, but the numbers prove you wrong. Where are your numbers in this debate? That's what I thought.

@All1
"No, my numbers are based off your own words. "

I provided you with my tongue weight. It's 0, zero. Show me I posted different number.
So go back to your calculator and you'll see I didn't overload my truck.

@zviera

"I provided you with my tongue weight. It's 0, zero."


This is a lie and you know it. Do you really expect anyone to believe that?

1. It is impossible have zero tongue weight with a WDH. It uses downward force to do what it does.

2. Why would you use or need a WDH if your tongue weight was zero? That is just silly.

So basically what you are saying is that you would rather lie and say the you purposely loaded your trailer in a very unsafe and irresponsible manner because you knew your truck didn't have enough payload to load it properly.

Yep, zero.

Yep, liar.

Prove it.

I just told you, it is impossible so I know you are lying. Anyone who knows anything about towing knows you are lying.


This also begs the question as to why one would take a trailer that has a safe tongue weight of 10% to 15% and purposely try to make it have a dangerous zero tongue weight (even though it is impossible). Why would someone try to make things more dangerous especially when their family is with them? There is no logic in it. Why would one do that?

@All1
Just to make you happy.

@All1
Zero tongue weight is possible. I did it. Hell if I want , I could make it even -50.

That does not change the GCWR of the truck.

Even if one assumes zero tongue weight the truck is still overloaded.
1,071lbs payload
526lb Versys
545lb left

If all 4 people in the vehicle weigh 150 lb each that still means the truck is overloaded by 55 lbs.

Ohhh........

"ero tongue weight is possible. I did it. Hell if I want , I could make it even -50."

Looks like the butthead has to have a negative tongue weight just to carry a skinny family.

Better leave the Parakeet at home ;)

@Lou
No, because Versys weight was 526 lbs include full gas tank which is 21 L 46 lbs.
My Versys gas tank was empty, so there you go. No over payload.

@zvierra


No, you are a liar. Do you know how much weight you would have to put on the back of that trailer to get you even close to this fictional zero tongue weight. The axles are set back on travel trailers for a reason. That trailer would not be able to handle the amount of weight that would require it to have a this fictional zero tongue. Zviera, you are a flat out lying cur down and you know it. You can fool yourself, but you aren't fooling me or anyone else with towing experience. Say what you want to try fool yourself because the truth is YOU OVERLOADED YOUR TRUCK and anyone here with towing experience knows it.

@All1
Numbers don't lie. I didn't overload my truck.
Like classic says "Go pound sand".

@zviera

Numbers don't lie, but you sure do every time you keep telling me that your trailer had zero tongue weight and that you didn't overload your truck.

Do you know how much weight it would require to add to the back of that trailer to get it even close to zero tongue weight? You would have to overload the trailer.

I guess this blog will be the longest in PUTC because I am not giving up in calling you as the liar your are that overloaded his truck. This all would have been avoided if you wouldn't have called Lou out like that. I guess we are going to be here for a while. Let's see if we can go for a year, it'll be fun.

@Hemi


You just crossed the line. Please refrain from using that word here. I do not mind being called names, but the 'N" word does not belong here or for anyone else to be called that name. Please cease and desist from using such words again on this site.

@All1
First of all the trailer axles are designed to handle much more load than trailer itself.
Let's say your trailer can handle 5800 lbs total, but each of two axles can handle 3500lbs , so 7000lbs total. Safe. That's how they design travel trailers.
First thing what I did when received my trailer was visit Standens and buy new brackets and new axles to handle 4000 lbs each and weld and reinstall leaf springs from the bottom of the axle to the top to get extra 5" lift for forestry roads and offroads, where we go almost every weekend and we stay there for a month for hunting season.
Everybody does that in Alberta. Just Google it.

Why do you think I am going to talk to you about this for a year?
You didn't prove I overloaded my trailer now, why do you think you will prove it next month?
You had your chance. Good luck to you next time.


@Zviera

Yes, you did overloaded your truck whether you want to admit it or not. You trucks payload is 1,071lbs. You had a 526 lb Versys in your truck and your 4,000lbs trailer had a tongue weight of 300 lbs with the WDH. That would leave you only 245lbs left for 2 adults, 2 teenagers and gear. NOT GONNA HAPPEN! I know you would like to say that you had zero tongue weight on that 4,000 lbs trailer, but what you would like to say and reality are two different things. In short, all evidence proves that YOU OVERLOADED YOUR TRUCK!

@All1
Sorry All1 I have to apologize. When I was checking , my payload last year at door sticker it was outside and dark.
Those numbers are very very tiny and I don't see very well anymore. Anyhow, I checked that again right now, and it says

THE COMBINED WEIGHT OF OCCUPANTS AND CARGO SHOULD NEVER EXCEED 622kg / 1371 lbs.
My apology again. But doesn't matter, I didn't go over my truck max payload anyhow. Sleep tight.


@Zviera

Yes, you did overloaded your truck whether you want to admit it or not. You trucks payload is 1,071lbs. You had a 526 lb Versys in your truck and your 4,000lbs trailer had a tongue weight of 300 lbs with the WDH. That would leave you only 245lbs left for 2 adults, 2 teenagers and gear. NOT GONNA HAPPEN! I know you would like to say that you had zero tongue weight on that 4,000 lbs trailer, but what you would like to say and reality are two different things. In short, all evidence proves that YOU OVERLOADED YOUR TRUCK!

When I was checking , my payload last year at door sticker it was outside and dark (and thought it said 1071.)
Those numbers are very very tiny and I don't see very well anymore. Anyhow, I checked that again right now, and it says

THE COMBINED WEIGHT OF OCCUPANTS AND CARGO SHOULD NEVER EXCEED 622kg / 1371 lbs.


Posted by: zviera | Aug 5, 2014 10:31:00 PM

I believe you!

ZVERIA WAS NOT OVERLOADED.

@Zviera

Caught you in another lie.


"Those numbers are very very tiny and I don't see very well anymore. Anyhow, I checked that again right now, and it says

THE COMBINED WEIGHT OF OCCUPANTS AND CARGO SHOULD NEVER EXCEED 622kg / 1371 lbs."

1,371 lbs? Really? Funny that even Dodge /Ram states that the payload of your 2010 1500 Crew Cab Laramie 5.7L is 1,240 lbs before optional equipment. Page 9 -- http://www.dodge.com/bodybuilder/2010/docs/ram/rammlup1500.pdf

Oh and hey look at the notes below the ratings in that chart. In particular, look at #3 where Ram States.....

"3. The recommended tongue weight is between 10 percent and 15 percent of the gross trailer weight. However, the maximum tongue weight on Class III (the bumper ball) is limited to 500 pounds, and Class IV (the receiver hitch) to 1,045 pounds. Additionally, the GAWR's and GVWR's should never be exceeded. "

Hmmm, eve Ram says you are towing wrong.

Thank you HEMI.
If you know, you know.
RAM.

@Hemi

You believe him? So which one is lying? Ram or Zviera? Ram clearly states that his truck DID NOT have a payload of 1,371 lbs even before options. So who is not telling the truth, Ram or Zviera?

@Hemi

Yeah, that's what I thought.

"Z, Upload a video of your truck to youtube with the payload sticker. "


Good idea. Oh and Z, put a note somewhere on the truck saying "This is Zviera's truck from PUTC" so we know it is yours and not some random Youtube video you found.

@HEMI
I will. I need to setup an account. I didn't uploaded anything before.

@Zviera

I will even make it easier for you. You can just take a picture and use this website( http://postimg.org/ ) to make a website link from your picture. You don't even need to sign up.

Be sure to make that "This is Zviera's truck from PUTC" note visible somewhere in the picture so we know it is yours.

A video will be better because he can prove it is a Ram with a Laramie 5.7 and then in the same shot walk over and open the door and zoom into the payload sticker.

4x4

@All1 - the one thing that is seriously overloaded is Zviera's credibility.

I own an F150 and love it. I have no hate for RAM or GM, but I have had numerous vehicles from both automakers and have had problems with both. If I were to buy a new truck today I'd probably lean towards another F150, but I'd give RAM a chance to sway me. I don't think I'd give GM another chance due to my own history with them with 5 vehicles all needing constant repair.

The Titan has been a joke for about 5-6 years what the hell are they waiting on?

Its funny to me how all the ram boys are so proud that their sales are up. Oddly enough fords sales have held steady for two years so whats the problem? Ram could only go up. Not to mention with sales going up they still didn't effect ford sales. Bottom line the best shot gm and ram had was this year to even take a portion of ford sales, but it didn't happen. To all those people who say this is a fors site, lets think about this with ford sales that high I would guess there are more ford fans. But hey congratulations ram boys you won moter trend two years in a row. A bunch of guys in a office like your truck again congratulations. Ford sales speak for themself, ford doesn't need a magazine to help them sell a truck. Not saying ford hasnt bragged about wining it, they just don't obsess over it. That's all I hear from ram fans. GET OVERIT!

This is great info.

This may be an older article but one has to stop and think about why Ford's sales are at 0.3%... Trucks buyers are likely waiting for the 2015 F150 to come out which will blow sales out of the water.

GO FORD! BUILT FORD TOUGH!!



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