Best-Selling Pickup Trucks: August 2014

Fords Pair 2013 II

For those automakers with a strong lineup of pickup trucks, SUVs and crossovers in their portfolio, there is plenty to be happy about now that August sales have been tallied. Some are predicting a year-end auto sales number above 17 million units, most of which are riding on the backs of full-size pickupsand SUVs. Of course, strong Labor Day sales incentives and good weather across the country didn't hurt sales for the month of August.

Ram continues its winning streak with a strong month, as combined full-size Ram pickup sales for the month are up more than 30 percent from last August. GM also had a strong month with sales gains for both the Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra in the double digits.

Depending on who you believe, the three-day holiday weekend at the end of August provided just enough push for buyers to get out and purchase new vehicles before the end of summer. But as strong as the first two-thirds of the year has been, many prognosticators see stronger truck sales defining the auto industry since GM has two new midsize pickups coming online and Ford's all-new 2015 F-150 will be reaching dealerships by October (starting with the more expensive, higher trim models).

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I'm waiting on ford to either give better incentives or release the 2015. That is why I haven't bought an f-150 yet, and I imagine a lot of others are doing the same as me. Right now multiple dealerships in my area are offering rams at 14,000 off msrp or more. Most ford dealerships offering just 4,500 or so off an f-150 although I've seen up to about 10,000 off. Wish it was the other way around. Can't wait to trade in my ram. I thought by now ford would be offering big discounts, but that isn't the case at all. I don't care how good the 2015 is. If I could get 14,000 or more off a 2014 f-150 I'd buy it. Maybe these weakening ford sales will push some good incentives.

"For my purposes I could live with the base Colorado but I might spring for a Canyon and pay a little more just to get the cocoa colored interior. I tend to keep my vehicles a long time and I want to be happy with what I have. As I said I would prefer a mid gray interior to black as black is hot and shows dirt and lint. I have a black interior in my Isuzu but I do not wish to have another. Black interior would not be a total deal breaker for me but I would prefer cocoa or gray."


---Why can't a Chevrolet customer get a cocoa colored interior in their Colorado if they want???? Why can't a Chevrolet customer get that High Country in black???? My point made. GM takes a hatchet to their own Chevrolet company just to protect GMC. They hatchet Chevrolet cars too just to protect Buick. Can't get nice trims, certain options, nice designs, AWD etc.. Unreal what GM has done to damage Chevrolet outside of the Corvette. And they wonder why people just aren't 'feeling' Chevrolet anymore.

@Beebe - I suspect that Ford will not offer much in the way of rebates on the 2015 F150. In my region rebates tend to be highest around the time the next model year is due to come out.

The rebates are the same every year. Everyone who buys the previous year always says there won't be much rebates. But then there are rebates. The guys who buy the 2015's will tell the 2016 10 speed guys there won't be much rebates. Then the 2016/2017 guys will tell the 2018 refresh guys there won't be rebates. Then the 2018 and 2019 guys will tell the 2020 All New guys there won't be much rebates. It is an endless cycle.

@Chris - traditionally car companies do not offer a lot of rebates on new releases unless sales stagnate. When I purchased my truck in the fall of 2010 anything that was offered on the 2011's was either non-existent or very small. When the fall of 2011 rolled around those trucks had similar rebates as the year before.

It does go on and on. It used to be more rare to see factory rebates but it has now become common place to the point where many buyers will wait for them to surface.

I do think this time next year the figures for pickup sales will be drastically different.

Times are goin' to change, very soon.

I do expect Ram to maintain its improving sales numbers.

The aluminium F-150 might put a crimp in Ford's numbers.

The Colorado if it is built to the new global midsize standard will take some sales away from full size, Taco's and even full and midsize SUVs/CUVs.

The loser overall in the next 12 months will be Ford overall. But it will still be a force to reckon with.

@John, I agree with Dave. The Ram increases need to be looked at with context because their sales were cut in half in 2010 and Ram lost half their business.

Say I owned a company and I sell 10 widgets per year. Then I go bankrupt and get a bailout. Then a couple years after the bailout I can only sell 5 widgets.

But the following year I start to have increases again.

12.6% increase in 2010.
22.6% increase in 2011.
2012 I have a 19.9% increase.
2013 I have a 21% increase.

Now I'm selling 9.9 widgets.

It looks like I have been on a roll, year after year, but really I'm selling less widgets than when I started.

When Ram gets back to selling their normal amount + 20% increases, year after year, then that will be something to talk about.

@Chris
There is truth to what you say.

I think that since the '94 redesign, Ram has done well and made the best of many bad situations.

The truck market as a whole took a big hit several years prior to the bailout, so I don't think it always makes sense to categorize everything as pre-bailout/post-bailout.

Fanbois will always focus on the here and now, not the context of what was going on.

I don't simply look at Rams sales by the seemingly double digit increases.

What I see in Rams sales figures are 1)The recovery of the truck market as a whole 2)Increasing consumer confidence and desirability of the Ram brand 3)Disillusionment with other trucks such as GM.

The context by which I look at Ram's sales figures are mainly in light of how GM is doing since they also went through a bailout. Ford's sales figures give us a good baseline on how the truck market is doing as a whole.

@Big Al from Oz
At this point in time, I don't think Ford has anything to worry about.

Initial sales might be slow, however that may just end up being a factor of something like limited supply, not the public's reception of aluminum.

The truck market has to move to aluminum or composite materials sooner or later, so the buyers will eventually be forced to accept it whether they like it or not.

"When I purchased my truck in the fall of 2010 anything that was offered on the 2011's was either non-existent....."

@Lou, That's because the 2011 trucks weren't for sale yet. You bought your 2010 before the 2011s with the new engines were even out.

Here is a post from you in October 2010 stating you had already bought your 2010 with the 5.4. Also keep in mind the EcoBoost wasn't even out til the first quarter of 2011.

See your post here:
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2010/10/ford-announces-37-liter-v-6-and-50-liter-v-8-fuel-economy-figures-for-the-2011-f-150.html


Quote:
@ Alex - I'm getting 13 - 14 mpg city with my 2010 5.4 (3.55 gears) Supercrew 4x4 6.5 box F150. I only have 1,400 miles on it. I'm surprised that I'm close to the EPA ratings and the truck isn't really broken in. I haven't had the chance to take it out on the highway yet.
Posted by: Lou | Oct 14, 2010 12:57:04 PM

Note the title of that article: "Ford release fuel economy figures for the 2011." That means the 2011 trucks were not for sale yet when you bought your 2010. No worries. Sometimes I become forgetful too.

This is a bit surprising read:
http://www.trucktrend.com/features/news/2014/1409_2015_chevrolet_colorado_preorders_are_off_the_charts/

I assume the dealerships must be pretty confident in the ability to sell the new Colorado.

I have no doubt that there is some pent up demand for these trucks, but what happens once the initial demand is met is what I'm curious to see.

I don't expect any rebates on the 2015 until atleast march next year. Maybe later. I guess the 2014 rebates will really come once the 2015 shows up on lots around november. No reason for them to push away the 2014 trucks just yet, especially if the 2015 is delayed at all. I'm actually hoping I can get a great deal on a '14. I'd much rather save a bunch of money on a proven '14 than pay close to msrp for an unproven truck. I think the '15 will be a success, but there is always the risk it could be a flop.

I'm also wondering if the rebates will ever be as good as they can be now. No doubt it is going to cost ford more to produce this truck. I think they are going to have to offer smaller rebates in the future to help absorb some of that cost.

Lou, I was referring to your post to Beebe which stated, "Ford will not offer much in the way of rebates on the 2015 F150. "

This is false.

And now you stated, "It does go on and on. It used to be more rare to see factory rebates but it has now become common place to the point where many buyers will wait for them to surface."

I have been following it since 2004 and there have been "big" rebates every year. They are not rare at all. Maybe in the 1980's or 1990's they were rare, but not since I have been following for 10 years. They have been the same just about every year.

Of course the rebates are lower at first and build up. But there are much rebates to had. Since 2004/2005, down here in the USA, the rebates have stayed consistent every year. They start off at around $500, then go to $1000, then before you know it, it's $3500/$4500 off or $10,000-$12,000 off total with dealer reabates.

A guy on the f150 forums just ordered his 2015 F-150 for $500 under invoice or $5,600 off + he is getting all factory rebates, if any are available when his F-150 shows up. So even though he won't get much factory rebates, maybe $500 to $1500, he still gets rebates.

Also, Ford is running a test drive the 2015 F-150 promotion down here and the last time they did that in 2011 they gave everyone who test drove the 2011 F-150 a $750 rebate which could be used on top of all other rebates.

So what I'm saying is there are always rebates. Wait to about mid year if you want to order and get the most off and don't want to wait to year end.

If anyone wants to sign up for a test drive on the 2015 F-150 in your area, go to http://www.drivef150.com and enter your email address and zip code.

Beebee, There really isn't anything special about the rebates now. They'll be the same next year or a little higher because the trucks will cost more. The more you spend the more you will get off. And sometimes if you wait too long, Ford takes back rebates.

I wouldn't buy any truck just becaues of a rebates being oferred now. There will be rebates on the next truck just like there was the year before. Ford is making plenty of money on the increased options so I wouldn't worry about them losing money.

Another interesting thing to not is how this time last year, Chevrolet Silverado's lead over the Ram trucks was nearly 110,000 sales. Fast forward to today and the lead has been slashed to only about 47,000 sales which is almost a 60% reduction in 1 years time. That has to be tremendous news for Chrysler who has always been seen as sort of bringing up the rear but it's good to see the Silverado posting a monthly gain. Ford's new F-150 should be competitive; I'm not sure if it will make the whole game changer status but it's rather stylish and good to see manufacturers taking gambles and moving into unchartered territory.

@ Chris - thanks for the trip down memory lane. I didn't know that I had fans other than the Ram J!had.
By October trucks were trickling into the dealers. I chose not to wait for 2011 trucks and there weren't a ton of rebates on the 2011's when they first came out.

That is/was the point I was trying to make.

Do you also track rebates in Canada? I see similar trends between the 2 countries.

I don't know how old you are but I'm talking about trends over my buying lifespan which is 30 + years. What I said is true: " It used to be more rare to see factory rebates but it has now become common place to the point where many buyers will wait for them to surface."

Rebates have become much more common and have become an established way of doing business. If you follow trends then you will know that there are seasonal variations to trends.

I'm talking about initial release when talking to Beebe. That is based upon my own experience.

Thank you for your input. It is always welcome when a blogger puts time and effort into their posts.

"By October trucks were trickling into the dealers. I chose not to wait for 2011 trucks and there weren't a ton of rebates on the 2011's when they first came out."

Posted by: Lou_BC | Sep 4, 2014 12:41:35 AM

In the future Lou BC see.

"I chose not to wait for 2011 trucks"

"I'm talking about initial release when talking to Beebe."

@Lou, Thank you for that clarification.

I think Beebe is a different situation that you were in. If I recall correctly, you were driving around in an old crappy GMC van that you hated and needed to get out of for various reasons. So you went shopping for a pickup truck and got a good deal on a great 2010 F-150 and they gave you a decent trade on the van.

Beebe's situation is different as he said he liked the 2015 F-150, but he doesn't have to buy one. He already has a newer Ram to drive. In fact he has several pickups on his farm. So eventhough the 09 Ram may not be his ideal truck, he will be ok until he buys another and doesn't have to make any rush deals..

He can afford to wait for the right truck, a 2014, a 2015 if that's what he is looking for or maybe a 2016 with the 10 speed, and for the right deal to come along. Or he could buy nothing at all. Quitely frankly, BeeBe is in the perfect situation and can buy what he wants and wait for the rebates and not make any rush deals.

@Chris, WRONG!!!!!

"Chrysler sold 198,379 cars and trucks in the United States in August, up nearly 20% from August 2013 and 18% ahead of July 2014 — easily beating even the most optimistic analyst estimates. The company says it was the best August sales total since 2002, and its 53rd consecutive month of sales improvements."

BK was in 2009.

Ram has a great product out and is reaping the benefits.

Who is buying Ram? Former Ford and G.M. owners. Ram has loyal customers. Once they buy a Ram they may never go back to Ford or G.M.

http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php/2014/09/chrysler-reports-august-sales-increase

I agree with Chris on not making rush deals just because you can get big rebates on the current trucks. If you really want the old model, that is one thing. But I bought my 05 F-150 under the Family Plan for $10,000 off partly because everyone was saying there wouldn't be any rebates like this again. The media at the time was hyping the Ford Family Plan and the GM Employee Price. But they basically have the same deal every year and they just don't call it Family Plan or Employee Price.

If I had to do my deal all over again I would have waited and drove my F-250 a couple more years. In that time I would have learned about the all new 09 F-150 that was coming and bought that instead. Right now I'm looking at a purchasing a 2016 F-150.

@Hemi V8, Wrong! And were talking Ram trucks, not Chrysler.

What Chris was saying or I was originally saying my post is that the bailout was in 2008.

In 2007 (the year before the bailout) Ram sales were twice what were in 2009 (Bankruptcy year).

So yeah if my sales were 358k before the bailout and then I I got a bailout in 2008 and went bankrupt my sales were cut in half to 117k, it could look like I big increases every year when I start to get increases. But in reality I was just getting back to my pre-bankruptcy level.

As of 2013, they still haven't match the pre-bailout year. 2014 Ram will likely match it. If in 2015 Ram still has the double digit increases then that will be the first real gain.

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See here:


2007 (pre bailout year)
358,295

2008 (bailout year)
245,840

2009 (bankruptcy year)
177,268 (sales cut in half from pre bailout)

Now 2010-2013, big increases! By percentage terms, but not in net gains.

2013 (last year)
355,673

3k net loss compared to the pre-bankruptcy.

Ram hasn't made any true gains yet.

2014 (this year)
283,256

Link to sales totals: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Ram

Ram will likely pass the pre-bailout year, this year, for the first time. But until they do they, what have they won in this winning streak? They are still coming from behind and just trying to get back to where they once were and not making gains.

What to watch for are 2015 sales. Can Ram get their sales back to a normal level, keep them there, and still have double digit increases? I'm not saying it can't happen, but that is yet to be seen and will show if this winning streak is for real or not.

Is this the 2017 Ram?

http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php/2014/08/the-2017-ram-1500-is-coming

We’ve been told that Ram may well expand their wheelbase, which is a significant change. That could signal the end of the regular cab, which is no longer particularly popular despite being dominant not many years back, or an application of “cab forward” design to pickups. A longer wheelbase could help Rams’ handling and ride.

NEWS FLASH!

9/03/2014

Chrysler's August Sales Surge While Ford's Are Flat And GM Struggles

http://www.forbes.com/sites/maggiemcgrath/2014/09/03/chryslers-august-sales-surge-while-fords-are-flat-and-gm-struggles/

Summer is traditionally a time of travel — and lots of driving to vacation spots — but for the nation’s Big Three automakers, sales in August were a very mixed bag: Chrysler reported a 20% surge in deliveries, while Ford’s sales ticked up just 0.4% and the embattled General Motors GM -0.95% posted a 1% decline.

Chrysler said Wednesday that it delivered 198,379 vehicles in August, a 20% increase over the 165,552 units delivered in August 2013 and its best sales for the month of August since 2002. The Jeep was Chrysler’s most popular brand, recording a 49% increase in sales, continuing a year-long surge: the company said that Jeep sales have set a new record each month of 2014. Chrysler’s Ram Truck, too, had a good month, posting a 39% increase in sales, the brand’s best month in nearly 10 years.


@Chris, WRONG!!!!!

"Chrysler sold 198,379 cars and trucks in the United States in August, up nearly 20% from August 2013 and 18% ahead of July 2014 — easily beating even the most optimistic analyst estimates. The company says it was the best August sales total since 2002, and its 53rd consecutive month of sales improvements."

BK was in 2009.

Ram has a great product out and is reaping the benefits.

Who is buying Ram? Former Ford and G.M. owners. Ram has loyal customers. Once they buy a Ram they may never go back to Ford or G.M.

http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php/2014/09/chrysler-reports-august-sales-increase

GM's streak of gains ends, but Chrysler keeps trucking

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/economy/article/GM-s-streak-of-gains-ends-but-Chrysler-keeps-5732343.php

Though stung by recalls and revelations that it failed to act on flawed ignition switches, General Motors has maintained a monthly winning streak in selling vehicles since March.

That streak is over.

GM's U.S. sales dropped 1 percent in August compared with last year, the company reported Wednesday.

Jesse Toprak, chief analyst for Cars.com, said GM had been benefiting this year from inflated foot traffic through its showroom because of the recalls.

"There was a positive impact on sales, where people bringing in their recalled cars turned around and bought new vehicles while they're at the dealership," he said. "But that wasn't going to last forever. So we're starting to see that impact dwindle somewhat."

Compared with a year ago, Buick sales were down 10 percent, Cadillac 18 percent and Chevrolet about1 percent. Only the company's GMC brand gained, up 10 percent from last year.

Toprak said the popularity last month of sport utility vehicles and trucks meant that GM could still make good profits off those high-margin vehicles, potentially offsetting slower sales of lower-profit passenger cars.

Meanwhile, Chrysler posted yet another month of huge sales growth.

Chrysler Group's total sales in August increased 20 percent compared with a year ago, to 198,379 vehicles. That success was powered again by strong performance of its Ram trucks and Jeeps. Ram pickup truck sales were up 33 percent, the best August since 2003, and Jeep brand sales were up 49 percent, their best August ever.


Justin Sullivan, Staff

A customer looks over new Jeeps on Wednesday at Chrysler Jeep Dodge Ram Marin in Corte Madera, Calif. Chrysler's gains were powered in part by a 49 percent surge in sales of the Jeep SUV brand.

Overall, the Chrysler Group owed its success once again to its trucks and SUVs. Truck sales were up 28 percent in August, while passenger car sales dropped 3 percent.

@Big Al & Lou BC--A slight sales decrease in the 2015 F-150 in the short term would actually be good for Ford in that it would give them time to adjust for production and supply glitches for the new model. Those that order a 2015 F-150 are being told it could be February till they get one. In the mean time there are still 2014's. In the long run sales of full size half tons will level off to less than they are now, but that does not mean they will not be profitable. If you compare the Suburban/Tahoe/Yukon/Escalade and the Expedition/Navigator the sales of body on frame suvs are not nearly as great as they were a decade ago but they are highly profitable. This is where a Coloraoo/Canyon will fit in as long as there is a noticeable price difference and the mpgs become much better. Also when the price of a certain type of vehicle becomes much higher than alternatives then many will seek the alternatives as is what is happening with the surge in crossover sales. Now all the manufacturers are rushing to make smaller crossovers to meet a lower price point (even Lexus). Large half ton pickups will remain a very large part of the sales and will remain profitable but they will be a smaller percentage which actually is not bad for the manufacturers because if they sell too many full size pickups they are penalized by the fleet efficiency standards. That would be another reason for GM going for a midsize truck is to increase their fleet average. I don't see as much risk for GM with the limited options, they can always add more colors and options if the sales are better than expected.

Congratulations GM on have the best selling truck again. Ford continues to fall behind and Ram sucking hind titty again.

The single most important thing to remember:

Every time you go to the store and buy a $50 Box of Tide you are paying for someone's Silverado and Merkel gets another bottle of Champaign.

When will American wake up?


Ram is only gaining based on sales freefall that lasted from 2008-2010. Last time I checked Ram has not beaten the sales before the 2008 bailout.

2007 Ram sold 358,295 trucks and only 355,673 in 2013. That is a loss.

If Ram beats 358,295 this year and still gets 20% increases next year, then we can start talking about gains.

GM is still losing too based on pre bailout sales. GM pre-2008 bailout sold 826,500 combined Silverados and Sierras in 2007. In 2013 GM sold 664,803 combined. GM is still losing huge. As Greg stated, this is a fact!

Conversely Ford sold 690,589 in 2007 and 763,402 in 2013. Ford is the only truck maker who made any real gains.

Posted by: Dave | Sep 3, 2014 2:53:45 PM

You must use Obama math, Ram is well on pace to exceed 400,000 trucks this year.


This is a bit surprising read:
http://www.trucktrend.com/features/news/2014/1409_2015_chevrolet_colorado_preorders_are_off_the_charts/

I assume the dealerships must be pretty confident in the ability to sell the new Colorado.

I have no doubt that there is some pent up demand for these trucks, but what happens once the initial demand is met is what I'm curious to see.

Posted by: HEMI MONSTER | Sep 3, 2014 11:35:44 PM

I would hardly call 28,000 and 14,000 orders off the charts. I also don't see where all this pent up demand is, it was not there for the last version of this truck why would anyone think it will suddenly be there just because they redesigned the mid size truck again?

Midsize trucks have always been a small market, that will not change because GM pulled and restyled midsize trucks. Gee they don't look that different from the last failed attempt either.


Is this the 2017 Ram?

http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php/2014/08/the-2017-ram-1500-is-coming

We’ve been told that Ram may well expand their wheelbase, which is a significant change. That could signal the end of the regular cab, which is no longer particularly popular despite being dominant not many years back, or an application of “cab forward” design to pickups. A longer wheelbase could help Rams’ handling and ride.

Posted by: HEMI V8 2017 | Sep 4, 2014 2:52:54 AM

It will be a sad day when you can't buy a regular cab pickup truck anymore.

Ford is the fleet queen of trucks.

Even GM had an increase of 9% in fleet sales just to try to mask that poor sales numbers last month. GM was really down 10% if you delete that extra 9% in fleet sales they pushed on rental fleets and such.

Ford does the same thing.

Both Ford and GM cover up a lot of there true sales numbers with fleet sales.

@BAFO - Regardless of which BAFO said what, my response was for a "BAFO". And it's just like what the you (or the other BAFO) comments everywhere. Repeatedly. Like here on TTAC:

"Like a unionized factory the US pickup market is a closed shop."

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2014/04/cains-segments-q1-2014-full-size-truck-sales/

No one else beside a "BAFO" ever brings up "the UAW" and "the US pickup market" in the same sentence.

Your antics are prepubescent.

45,000 orders have been made for the new Colorado and Canyon. And the MPG for the V6 is higher then the competition. Full size suv sales were up 38 per cent for August and that did not hurt truck sales. Imagine how many of those suv buyers would be buying a new GM pickup if GM did not offer a full size suv based on a truck frame. Ram does not have that problem because they do not offer a suv in the Tahoe, Yukon, Escalade segment. And Ford sells the poor selling Expedition and Navagator.

I could see the phasing out of regular cabs in the full size truck segment. Most buy extended cabs or crew cabs.

I don't see Ford eliminating the Expedition/Navigator anytime soon because despite GM having the lead in that segment Ford is making a hefty profit on both the Expedition and Navigator.

45,000 orders for the Colorado/Canyon are good for a first time new model.

I traded my 14' silverado in..got tired of recalls, vibrations, clunks, black smoke on start up..poor paint quality. .just too name a few...point is that all you are ignorant if you dont separate sales based on class and not just "silverado" and "F-Series".. "GM" by and large owns the 1/2 ton segment and has for quite a while..while ford claims best selling "truck" for 30something years they are stretching the truth, Ford owns 3/4 and 1 ton due to fleet sales... total 1/2 sales has been dominated by GM for most of the past 15 years..

Wait until the aluminum tin can comes out, could be the biggest automotive flop of the past 50 years. Trucks and aluminum don't mix. It may work on a car but weight will destroy it. Our company is selling all of our aluminum trailers because they don't hold up like steel.

(These trucks are 08's and newer and you can poke holes through the bed sides already above the tires on the first years. GM let GMC solve this problem with plastic moldings around the wheelwell openings yet they essentially told Chevrolet truck buyers to take a hike and deal with rust. I wouldn't buy a Silverado for that alone. Not after seeing the previous model already rotting out.)


Not sure were you live but i snow plow for a company in Chicago that runs only chevys we have 18 of them 2004-2015 all have plows most have salt spreaders and none of them have any rust. these trucks are never washed in the winter covered with salt and used for landscaping in the summer driven by people that beat the *^&* out of them. i drive my own 2006 gmc 2500hd 150k 800lbs plow and all original
powertrain and no rust

I'm interested to see how the Tin can F-150 does, could be the biggest automotive flop of the past 50 years. Aluminum may work on cars but not necessarily anything made for hauling. Are aluminum trailers have all bit the dust and are being replaced back with steel.

@Hemi lol,
Your statement; "At this point in time, I don't think Ford has anything to worry about"

My comment; "The loser overall in the next 12 months will be Ford overall. But it will still be a force to reckon with."

They don't quite marry up. I never stated Ford had anything to worry about. But they will drop against Fiat and GM.

I have to laugh at the same old Ram haters. Each month Ram just keeps adding more buyers, I believe they are up 53 months in a row now, and the same old Ram haters just keep trying to bash Ram.

Then you have the Ram haters who refuse to call them Ram and instead want to call them Fiat as if that is going to stop people from buying Ram trucks.

The only thing keeping Ram from selling even more Ram's are they have less dealers than do GM and Ford and Ram has less production capacity then GM and Ford have to build trucks.

The sky is the limit for Ram trucks.

@Ram Big Horn 1500
You are right about that. They didn't call it Mercedes RAM , or Ferrari
Ram. Pathetic.
I can't wait to call new Ford India Aluminum.


Another thread bombed by the J!had.

They didn't call it Mercedes RAM , or Ferrari
Ram..................................................... Pathetic.

Yes pathetic is the operative word.

Mercedes Benz and Ferrari are premium exclusive brands.

Adding Ram to their name would damage them.

If you look at the name of the umbrella corporation, it is FCA or Fiat Chrysler Automobiles.

One can say Chevrolet is a GM product just like one can say Ram is a FCA product.

@Chris - thanks for the reply. The fanboy and troll stuff tends to make people take an adversarial approach to conversations.

I did have an old Safari that was starting to nickel and dime me to death. I also hated the fact that I wasn't a 4x4.

I had done a ton of research on trucks and looked at a lot of used stuff but the rebates on the 2010 trucks was incredible. it made it unwise to look at 3 year old used trucks in good shape. I got 3K for the Safari and the rest is history.

If I had to buy right now due to unforeseen circumstances I'm not sure what I'd get.

I really like the Chevy but all of those recalls and typical 1st year gremlins make me nervous.

Ram has some cool stuff but I still don't like their durability ratings. They have improved immensely so I have to give them credit where credit is due.
The Tundra has a good drivetrain but I'm not a fan of the new look and big cab small box or small cab big box option.

The current Ford is an improved version of what I have and I did get the chance to drive one for 9 days this winter. The 5.0 with max cargo would be most appealing but that option tends to be found only in base trim work models. Their durability has dropped a bit due to V6 woes and MyTouch gremlins.

It would probably hinge upon which dealer gave me the best deal on what I wanted.

If I were to buy a new truck without any time constraints, I'd sit and wait and watch.
I'd be inclined to go with the Chevy if they were to become gremlin/recall free.

Here is something no one has commented upon:

"Jointly, the Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra outsold Ford’s F-Series by 939 units in August 2014. GM says they haven’t sold this many pickups during the month of August since 2008. Combined sales of the Silverado and Sierra were up 12.1%. GM’s market share in the full-size category rose to 35.6% from 34.5% one year ago and from 35.1% one month ago."

we are back to GM combined outselling Ford.

It does look like GM is starting to gain traction in the full sized truck market after what some experts say was one of the poorest new product launches EVER.

Perhaps the looks of the new GM's are settling in with buyers.

@Lou
One can say Chevrolet is a GM product just like one can say Ram is a FCA product.

That would be correct.

@zviera - for once you are getting it.
A DaimlerBenz Ram would be correct as well but not a Mercedes Ram.

http://www.allpar.com/photos/ram/2014/diesel-longevity-chart.jpg

Looks like Ford sucks hind tit yet again.

@Lou
You said RAM IS A FCA PRODUCT.
I said, That would be correct.
Who ever mentioned DaimlerBenz RAM? Not me, not you.
Are you even arguing when I say it would be correct ?
That's really next stage of your mental health.



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