Ram Turns Up the Heat at Warren Truck Plant

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At a time when Ford is basically gutting two entire truck plants to accommodate the new 2015 half-ton F-Series, Ram is trying to squeeze every ounce, actually every pickup, out of its (Quad cab and Crew Cab) half-ton truck plant in Warren, Mich.

In fact, even though the plant is 76 years old, it is becoming one of the most productive and efficient plants parent company Fiat Chrysler Automobiles owns. After some recent assembly line changes and direct input from the line workers themselves, the Ram 1500 production line is now able to make five more pickups per hour, which translates into almost 30,000 more pickups per year. That number makes Ram dealerships happy because, in case you haven't noticed, Rams have been selling exceptionally well, setting monthly sales records for 52 straight months.

Although each of the plant's 353 workstations was improved in some way, the biggest changes came on the chassis frameline where some of the biggest, heaviest and most awkwardly shaped parts are assembled. Assembling front suspensions, springs and shocks along with mating the chassis to one of three different engines (3.0-liter EcoDiesel, 3.6-liter Pentastar or 5.7-liter Hemi) is a complex and complicated process that is now streamlined to make the process easier and reduce errors.

To read the full Warren Truck Assembly Plant press release, click here.

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Comments

@zviera

"You sound like women"

I am okay if you think that. Just as long as I don't sound like a "real man" to you. I know how much you like those, and I don't want you to get any ideas. Like I said, I don't swing that way bro.

You are joking again. You came with that idea first.

Ram quality still sucks! My 09 ram is now on it's third radio, 2nd radiator, 2nd rear axle seal, hemi tick, oil consumption. Apparently wasn't made to last in dusty conditions because the dust seems to have jammed up every moving part (cup holder has to be slammed shut, windshield wiper knob is really stiff/ hard to change speeds. Today I turned on the truck and there was a loud thumping noise coming from down under the radio. at first I thought it was ANOTHER bad radio, but it's actually under and behind the radio. I don't even know what it is but I thought there must be a cat or other animal stuck up under there. But no. I believe something with the air conditioner vent. I know there are other things wrong with the truck that haven't come to mind. I was so excited when I got the truck, now I'm just glad to be getting rid of it soon.

2009 RAM quality sucks. Fix that for you Beebe.

@Beebe
Sorry to hear about your truck woes. FYI, if you're looking for a truck that won't have any issues, there is no such thing.

I do think that even since the redesign, Ram has improved their quality each model year. There is also more they can do in that respect as well.

I haven't had any issues with my Ram, all I have done is the required maintenance. Reliability will always vary from person to person.

People seem to enjoy making the implication that Ram trucks are of inferior quality. Is this really truck? There is evidence both for and against that assertion.

How I put things into perspective is I look at other people's experiences with their trucks. For example, one of my buddies has a '06 F250 with the 6.0l Powerstroke. Late last year he had it in the shop for an engine replacement with only 96k on the engine. The repair was $11k and of course the truck is long out of warranty.

I also know another friend who has a '08 Silverado. He says it's been a good truck overall, except it has had intermittent electrical issues.

My wife's brother has a 2011 Ram 2500 Cummins, which has had several issues with interior parts that needed to be replaced, but they were all replaced under warranty.

What is my point? My point is that Ram doesn't make a bad truck and neither does anyone else. Any truck can have problems. Would you like to trade all the problems with you Ram for my friend who had a $11k repair bill on his F250? If you're looking for a trouble free truck it doesn't exist. I say that my Ram hasn't had any issues, but there are plenty of things about it that could be improved.

Also, as I was watching the video on this article, something occurred to me. That is that the people building our trucks look happy and seem to be enjoying their jobs. Each time we buy one of the big 3's trucks (all have one or more models built by UAWs here in the USA: http://www.uaw.org/cars ), we are helping put our country back to work.

For me, if I were to buy a new truck, I would buy one that is built in America by American workers. If there are build quality issues, so what. If there are warranty issues, so what. It gives me a sense of gratification to know that I'm supporting this country and the people of this country. There is nothing better than to invest in your own country.

Beebe, even if you move to a different brand, if you buy a Ford or GM, you are still supporting American workers. That is what is important and not so much what brand you buy.

I've owned many trucks over the years and I agree no vehicle is perfect. I've never owned any vehicle that hasn't had some problems. Between me and two brothers that farm with me we currently have 9 full size trucks that see daily abuse on the farm as well as 3 small pickups. My ram is the most problematic pickup we've had. Luckily the engine and tranny are still....alive. But it's only at 120,000 miles. We keep most of our trucks at least 200,000. It was trouble-free until about 60,000 miles and I don't think i've gone 10,000 miles since without having some kind of problem.

#1 The F-150 sales numbers have been going down for over a year.
#2 The Ram's sales numbers have been increasing over the same period
#3 The truck buyer is going to reject the 2015 F-150 cause the changes they made are too extreme and the buyer is unknown about the reliability of those changes.
#4 There's going to be a new #1 selling pickup and you F-150 guys don't like it.
#5 I am NOT afraid to admit I made a mistake buying the F-150 over the Ram 1500.
#6 The Eco-Boost has been a failure! Nobody is getting the gas mileage they expected AND to get any performance out of it you got to FLOOR it everywhere you go!
#7 Now Ford is going to lie to you again by making a smaller Eco-Boost and telling you it has MORE power and BETTER gas mileage!
#8 The 2015 F-150 will come with a hefty price increase and they will hold the options you want hostage by switching models similar to what Honda does.
#9 The Ford Dealers lots are filled with 2014's as backup when the 2015 doesn't sell.
#10 The front grill with the horizontal piece covering the headlights looks cheap and U-G-L-Y

You are so beautiful to me
You are so beautiful to me
Can't you see
Your everything I hoped for
Your everything I need
You are so beautiful to me
Such joy and happiness you bring
Such joy and happiness you bring
Like a dream
A guiding light that shines in the night
Heavens gift to me
You are so beautiful to me
http://www.blueknobauto.com/used/Ram/2014-Ram-1500-84df11cd404638d3442ce6c0c6fd3bb9.htm

#11 You're better off with the Ram 1500 with the 3.6 V6 NON-TURBO

Great just what we need, pot heads and drunks working for Ram slapping them together even faster. So they can screw up twice the amount of the things as before. Guts, high, drunk, RAM workers!

To the Fake Tom#3: I don't care if you use my name in vain cause I take it as a compliment cause you want to be as wonderful as I am.

oh,, Lou BC ? I told you the first posts steer the subject manner so why can't you be creative and resist that and post something interesting on your own that you thought up yourself? You'll be respected for it. Say something different instead of repeating what everybody else says.
Take a look at All 1, he disagrees with me but he doesn't use personal attacks.
Lou BC, I believe you are an intelligent man but your emotions cloud your thinking.

anything can fail, but a normally aspirated V8 is a heck of a lot less likely too, especially the tried and proved Hemi.

@Tom#3

In response to your list of comments in this posts:

"Posted by: Tom#3 | Sep 27, 2014 2:29:42 AM"

#1 False, Fords numbers have not been going down for over a year. The first month they were in the negative was May. This was expected even buy Ford because they started pulling back incentives in order to manage inventory for the upcoming factory shutdown for the new truck.

#2 True. However, they are still gaining ground they lost before the recession while the others have already gained their numbers back and then some.

#3 This is an opinion that cannot be backed up by any facts.

#4 This is an opinion that cannot be backed up by any facts. Although it is worthy to note that Ram does not currently have the capacity to be able to make enough trucks to be number 1 in truck sales.

#5 That is your opinion and your are fully entitled to it.

#6 This is an opinion that cannot be backed up by any facts. In fact, the numbers prove that the Ecoboost has been a huge success for Ford.

#7 False, and in every test that has ever been done from the PUTC light duty challenge to the Canadian truck king challenge, the Ecoboost has gotten better fuel mileage loaded and unloaded than the Hemi while being able to match or outperform it in many areas.

#8 Opinion

#9 This is an opinion that cannot be backed up by any facts. Where are you getting this info to allow you to say this?

#10 That is your opinion, and as I said before you are entitled to have it.

#Tom#3

"anything can fail, but a normally aspirated V8 is a heck of a lot less likely too, especially the tried and proved Hemi."

Do you actually have test data backing this up or is this just your opinion again?

@All1
You'll be the first person on the world whose turbos will work longer, than engine itself.

@zviera

Uhm, no. Have you forgotten where I worked? I have seen many engines blow for other reasons while the turbos were still good enough to swap to another engine. I have also seen turbos last the life of a diesel engine until it needed an overhaul at 900,000 miles. I have also seen and personally know many people with gaser turbo engines still running with the original turbo well into 200,000 miles. Hell, some of our work trucks are already hitting 150,000 with not a turbo or engine issue in sight.

I know you are going to spew what you want because you want it to be true so bad that the Ecoboost is a complete and utter failure, but that does not mean it is fact. Just because you post it does not mean it s true or that somehow you think people believe just because you say it is so. People can look at it and judge for themselves whether to believe what you post, and currently you don't have a very good track record.

@zviera

Actually two of those gaser turbo engines that I know with that many miles are Chryslers. One is a 88 Chrysler Daytona Shelby Z and the other is a 97 Eagle Talon TSi AWD. Both have original turbos.

@All1
Your post is an opinion that cannot be backed up by any facts.
Parts suppliers sells much more turbos, then engines for turbos itself. That's the fact. Look it up in your computer.


@zviera

"Parts suppliers sells much more turbos, then engines for turbos itself. That's the fact. Look it up in your computer."

And parts suppliers sell more parts to repair an engine than turbos. Look it up, it's a fact.

Ram built a lot more trucks in the past then they currently do. They have a long ways to go to build what they did in 2003 which was there best year number wise. They won't be the best selling truck.

@All1
And parts suppliers sell more parts to repair an engine than turbos. Look it up, it's a fact.

Posted by: ALL1 | Sep 27, 2014 10:31:35 AM

I agree with you.
F150 has an ecoboost engine. Engine and 2 turbos. People needs parts for engine and on top of that new turbos. 2 of them .
That's the fact. LOL.

All 1
All my information comes from here! The posts I read on PUTC.
When PUTC tested 1/2 pickups for gas mileage and performance that was long before Ram converted the 5.7 HEMI to cyl deactivation. The Ram 1500 4x4 , 5.7 HEMI is getting 19 MPG and the F-150 3.5V6 Eco-Boost is getting 16.9 MPG ( I get that info from www.fuelly.com )
If turbos are so wonderful why isn't everybody else using them? We can say Ram copied from Chevy by using engine deactivation, so why didn't Ram copy from Ford and went with turbos? In the auto and truck business everybody copies from each other but nobody copies Ford using gas engine turbos.
Subaru is the only one in the past I can recall using a turbo and that was a failure causing their engines to melt down, you could say their engine wasn't made strong enough to handle the turbo but you can't convince me that Ford made and designed their engine for a turbo cause the 3.5 V6 was long used in the past as a non-turbo engine. Maybe Ford made a bullet-proof reliable turbo, but did they make the engine strong enough?
also Thank You for being civil and respectful

Tom#3, fuelly lists 5.7 ram v8 at 16mpg avg.

Haven't diesels had turbos for a few years now or is turbo technology brand new or something since they are prone to failure?

Ford seems really quiet about the 2015 F-150 when its going to hit the dealers in a few months.
I think Ford is in a panic where they are not seeing the gas mileage numbers they were expecting from the weight reduction aluminum and the 2.7 eco-boost.
They are doing the huckly-buck doing last minute fuel map and transmission programing.
Remember back in 2010 how they were promoting the eco-boost saying 22-24 MPG more than a year before it came out?
I say the new F-150 with the 2.7 EB will have dismal MPG numbers in the low 20's never exceeding 24 MPG and the worst part is lackluster engine performance matched with poor gas mileage.
I predict by this time next year F-150 sales will fall flat.

Lou BC, I gave up trying to impress you but I bet those big boys at GM and Ram are reading my posts and agreeing with me.

Aluminum expands and contracts MORE than steel.
Why don't they use aluminum siding for houses anymore?
Cause it comes loose and falls off or blows off from the wind.
Why does it come loose?
Cause the force of it expanding and contracting from the different temps causes the nails to pull out.
What's going to happen to your glued together aluminum body truck when its outside below freezing then sits in the sun and warms up into the 80's?

COME ON PEOPLE! WAKE UP !
DING-DING-DING!
A load of BS is being forced down your throats!

ok, I got another one:
Ford is making up from its failure of making a fuel efficient engine by making the truck lighter using aluminum.
Chevy and Ram made a fuel efficient V8 and don't need to reduce weight to get good gas mileage.
Ford's Chief Truck Engineer stuck AKA foot in mouth by saying engine deactivation is the wrong way to go so instead of admitting he was wrong they save face by sticking to the failed eco-boost and making the new truck lighter in weight.

Ford would have been better off if they stuck with the 5.4 V8 and transformed that engine to engine deactivation like Chevy and Ram did.

All the $$$ Billions Ford invested in tooling manufacture of the eco-boost engine they are forced to continue producing it even if it is a failure.
They have you guys fooled!

Wonder why they make aluminum wheels on our trucks???? You think they would fly apart like siding on a building do to expansion and contraction.

@Scott
Expansion and contraction on aluminum wheels doesn't effect anything. And because of small dimensions compare to cabin size, it's roughly 6 times less.
I am actually not to worry about that. I am worry about combination with other materials, like rear window glass and front window glass linear expansion coefficient is roughly 3 times less than aluminum. Door hinges and door locks needs to be from steel. Glue will need to take care of any different expansion coefficients , seals at the doors will need to be designed differently, gaps needs to be bigger. Cracks could develop in the cabin corners, windows might crack easier, I wouldn't be the guinea pig for the first year of this truck production. RAM will take advantage of this and maybe build the third factory. Ford reached the maximum market penetration point and will go just down, not up.
RAM has all the best cards in their hands and if played well, it might be the number one soon, if you like it or not.


Rams have aluminum hoods bolted to steel hinges. Airstream trailers are thin aluminum and by far the longest lasting travel trailers. My snowmobile trailer and skin on it is aluminum and see salt of winter roads the aluminum parts are flawless but the steel components aren't, the snowmobiles in that trailer are aluminum. Most semi truck cabs are aluminum and they see more miles,stresses, and salt then a pickup does over its usable life. Ford isn't doing anything that hasn't been done else where. The pickup industry is just late to the party on using aluminum.

@Scott
You are right about that. It will be done properly in the future.
I am just not sure, if ford can execute this plan without any hiccups , so I would suggest to hold off for any potential customers. It's just my suggestion . Everybody is free to make any decision he wants. That's all.


Chrysler Sales Surged, Ford’s Fell in September
By Paul Ausick September 25, 2014 2:33 pm EDT

http://247wallst.com/autos/2014/09/25/chrysler-sales-surged-fords-fell-in-september/


Ford Motor Co. (NYSE: F) is the only major automaker that is expected to post a decline in year-over-year sales in September. KBB forecasts total sales at 180,000, down 2.4%, or about 4,500 below the September 2013 level, and well below the 221,000 vehicles the company sold in August.

Chrysler Group LLC is expected to lead in sales volume increase again in September. Total sales are forecast to reach 168,000, up 17.5% from a year ago, but down from more than 198,000 in August. Chrysler’s market share is expected to rise 1% to share of 13.5% of the U.S. market, putting it in fourth place. Chrysler’s sales are being driven higher by both its Jeep and its Ram brands which have pushed the company’s market share to its highest level since 2007.

2009 RAM quality sucks. Fix that for you Beebe.


Posted by: zviera | Sep 26, 2014 9:23:36 PM

My brother in law has an 09 Ram. Hasn't had any trouble. Had to take it in for the rear end recall. That's it. Loves his truck. His first Dodge coming from Chevy.

If what Beebe say's is true which i don't believe. It's great to know Ram has you covered with a great warranty. Ford does not.At some point you have to look at the owner. If what he say's is true their are lemon laws that he can pursue. My 03 has eaten plenty of dust and has had no stock mechanical, interior, body, paint,radio,knobs or any other trouble. My truck is well maintained. It does not have a single rattle unlike my friends Chevy who's rear suicide doors rattle and leak air.

@Hemi monster, I do believe timing does play a roll. Ram has been building class leading award winning vehicles. Is that luck? They are simply reaping what they sewed. Building a great product that is in high demand. Timing. While Ford has been selling the oldest design their sales show it. Flat. Once customers switch brands they may not come back to their old brand. That is what Ford should fear. Since Ford can't compete with Rams MPG they are forced to take desperate measures. I.E. All aluminum. We will see what the public does soon. 2014 Ford sales are down. The class leading Ram is up. I personally
do not buy a vehicle because it is the leader in sales. I choose what i want. With Rams class leading power and innovation i will be buying another Ram A.S.A.P Glad that Ram is staying busy keeping american men and women busy at work.

@Scott
You are right about that. It will be done properly in the future.
I am just not sure, if ford can execute this plan without any hiccups , so I would suggest to hold off for any potential customers. It's just my suggestion . Everybody is free to make any decision he wants. That's all.

Posted by: zviera | Sep 27, 2014 9:41:57 PM

WHAT COULD GO WRONG?

Ford Recalls Over 850K Vehicles Including Fusion and Escape

SEPTEMBER 27, 2014

Ford's announcement brings the year's total recall number to well over 46 million vehicles -- a new record, and far above the earlier high of 30.8 million vehicles recalled in 2004.


I want a pickup that makes me look good, a truck that fits me like fine clothes, everybody in my work crew owns a Ram and I am a very good looking handsome man with broad shoulders , perfect body! I need a truck that also makes me look good and my F-150 doesn't do that, I have an image to keep.
The pearl white Ram 1500 will make me look good. The King always traveled in the best looking carriage with white horses.

@Tom#3 - How much KY does it take to make it feel good with that white horse? You gotta stop calling your wife a horse...just have her eat a little less!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfxPWK47eLg

If you like a truck where you become really familiar with your dealer get an ecodiesel. Hopefully they like you and give you a loaner while they fix the frequent check engine lights


If you like a truck where you become really familiar with your dealer get an ecodiesel. Hopefully they like you and give you a loaner while they fix the frequent check engine lights


Posted by: Scott | Sep 28, 2014 10:44:48 AM

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You just make it all up as you go don't you?

Nope. Just hit the forums concerning the ecodiesel..... It's a common problem for a lot of owners.

@Hemi V8


"Ford's announcement brings the year's total recall number to well over 46 million vehicles -- a new record, and far above the earlier high of 30.8 million vehicles recalled in 2004."

That is a lie and you know it. Ford has NOT recalled 46 million cars this year and that is a total from ALL manufacturers. You are purposefully putting Ford with that 46 million when you know it is misleading which is a typical liberal unionist tactic. I also find it funny that you didn't mention the 350k vehicle Chrysler ignition recall from 3 days ago either.

@zviera

"Me and my son design turbines . Turbo is just very primitive turbine."

As if I would actually believe you but...... when you actually do turbo engines then we can have this convo. Okay, cupcake.


Again, if you don't want the benefits of one then don't buy one It's that simple. The way you keep talking about it so much makes me think you are just jealous of the low end torque and the wide torque curve so you have to find a way to down it. Oh wait, nevermind..... it is because it is a Ford product is why. You would never say this about a Cummins turbo diesel or Ecodiesel. Does you really want me to link you were you posted saying you wanted a Cummins turbo diesel?

"Zviera Apr 14, 2010
Jonnyd84Let's see how people will like Urea dealing with.I think, they won't like it.If I could choose, I will get Cummins and forget about Urea. I don't want to wait 30 minutes to get full power from my engine, when Urea is frozen. We have -40 where I am from."

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/trucks/1006_2011_ford_f250_2010_ram_2500_comparison/#ixzz3EdQxqHcC

Funny you don't have an issue with that turbo.

Recent long term test motor trend Ram 1500 5.7L Hemi. The Ram achieved 15.6 mpg on average. That means Rams 395-hp Hemi V8 outperformed the 365-hp Eco Boost V6 powered 2012 Ford F 150 netting just 14.4 mpg on average during our time with us.

The Ram made just two trips to the dealer during it's year with us for regular maintenance.$120.94. 2012 Ford Eco Boost needed three trips for maintenance totaling $208.35 both at close to 30,000 miles.

Ram with more power more options and better MPG than Fords Eco. What's not to like.

"Ram with more power more options and better MPG than Fords Eco. What's not to like."

It's payload for starters. The Ram in that test had a sticker payload of 957 lbs to the 1,520lbs in the F150. The towing capacity of the Ram was only 8,300lbs where the F150 was 9,600 lbs. The Ecoboost also outperformed that Ram in 0-60 by .6 seconds, 0-90 by 1.9 seconds, 1/4 mile, and figure eight. They also used the required mid-grade fuel in the Ram which cost more than the regular octane the used on the F150 Ecoboost (although it is a busted test unless they did the exact same driving like the PUTC and Canadian truck king Challenge). The F150 also had a 36 gallon fuel tank to the 26 gallon in the Ram. Do you need me to go on or is that enough?

@zviera

"I do. I bought HEMI again in 2012 . No turbo."

Good, and I am glad for you. I bought a Turbo engine and I am loving every minute of it.

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"The proper way is always second generation product. Sometimes third."

But you did not explain what makes it proper? If you are going just by who does it first, then Ford in doing it the proper way going by your statement by waiting many generations after Peterbilt, Kenworth, Jaguar, Land Rover, and Audi to name a few. I guess they are doing it the proper way by your standards.

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"And I know millions and millions engines that outlasted any turbo."

You personally know them or seen them or just going by hearsay? If so, you know a lot of people.

@All1
Why did you drill small hole to your intercooler to prevent in rain running engine hiccups? Because your first generation of ecoboost was done properly? LOL.

@zviera

"You are jumping from topic to topic all the time I prove you wrong. "

No, I am only replying as I see them.

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"It's not turbo, not salt at airport runway anymore, even I clearly proved they don't use salt NaCl there? "


1. Yes, some airports still use regular road salts like our local Stinson Airfield does. It is all about cost effectiveness and if it meets FAA regulations.

2. Sodium acetate is a salt.

3. There are many different liquid and solid deicers used on airport runways and roads depending on the conditions and temperature. They can be used as long as they are FAA and EPA compliant.

However, read page 19 of this FAA document on deicing runways.

http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Notice/N8900.238.pdf

"d.Possible Effects of Runway Deicer on Thickened Aircraft Anti-icing Fluids.

(1)Most current runway deicing/anti-icing material contains organic salts that are not compatible with thickened aircraft anti-icing fluids. These salts cause the thickening agents within the aircraft deicing fluids to break down, reducing the viscosity of the anti-icing fluid and causing it to flow off the airframe more quickly. This reduction in the amount of anti-icing fluid will have an impact on the length of time that the anti-icing fluid will continue to provide adequate anti-icing protection"


So you were saying?


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"Me and my son design turbines . Turbo is just very primitive turbine"

I still don't believe you, and where you get that a turbine engine is the same as the engines and turbos we are talking about is beyond me. Two totally different things bro.

All1, I thought he was crazy too. But here is proof he designs and builds turbines. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NicE9xIxlaE As a bonus, made from high strength aluminum to boot.

@Tom

LOL

@All1

What do you mean by salt ? Be more specific.
Are you grasping at straws again?
The stuff used at runways is not the same used at roads. You can spin it however you want. It has many different ingredients, so the pH is different and doesn't eat aluminum.

Is the road salt FAA and EPA compliant ? Prove it.


"Me and my son design turbines . Turbo is just very primitive turbine"

I still don't believe you, and where you get that a turbine engine is the same as the engines and turbos we are talking about is beyond me. Two totally different things bro.
Posted by: ALL1 | Sep 28, 2014 3:27:13 PM

And where did I say they are the same thing? You even quoted me" " Turbo is just very primitive turbine"

Nobody cares what you believe in here. You are wrong again and this is only what matters. Everybody knows to read.

Me and my son design turbines . Turbo is just very primitive turbine. We have a turbine generator running in my garage as we speak. How many turbines did you design, build and run?
None.



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