Analyst Sees Strong Fourth-Quarter Sales

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As the newly upgraded Dearborn Truck Plant in Michigan gets ready to start shipping all-new 2015 Ford F-150 crew-cab pickups to dealerships throughout the country — said to start in significant numbers by November's end — some analysts are predicting a strong end-of-year sales push for Ford and other full-size pickup truckmakers.

Chief analyst for Cars.com, Jesse Toprak, explained to us that the new F-150 will likely pull early adopters into showrooms near year's end and motivate other truckmakers to get more aggressive with their incentives. Additionally, Toprak is seeing more economic confidence coming from the small business and housing sectors, both of which can heavily influence full-size truck sales. "The good news," Toprak said, "is that we've started to see a measurable bounce-back of the small business demand since August, and I expect to see the pickup demand to be very strong in the fourth quarter and beyond."

This is likely to be good news for those small-business buyers and personal consumers just looking for a good deal as Ford dealerships, in particular, will be trying to clear out 2014 F-150 stock to make way for the 2015 models. Likewise, you can bet both GM and Ram will be offering great deals to tempt in-market buyers as well.

During our unscientific research of truckmakers' websites, it looks like Ford has some of the most attractive deals going. Depending on what type of vehicle you might be trading in, what trim level or cab configuration you'd like, what type of financing you might want and what type of regional and national incentives are available, you can easily stack deal upon deal for a discount in the neighborhood of $10,000 … and then you can start the negotiation process.

"This is probably the best time for someone to come in and just make me an offer that I can ever remember,” a dealer-general manager said. "This isn't going to last very long because at some point Ford is going to need recoup the costs of this big push to aluminum. … Unless you have to have the latest and greatest, you can get a value-packed 2014 F-150 for a price we've never sold these trucks before."

For more information, check out the different 2014 discount packages available from each truckmaker by clicking the links here: Ford F-Series, Chevrolet Silverado 1500, GMC Sierra 1500 and Ram 1500.

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Here's F-150 inventory at my 2 local dealers:

Dealer #1:
just 3 F-150s left
2 regular cabs
1 STX crewcab 5.0 (red color)

Dealer #2:
Platinum: 0
King Ranch: 0
Lariat: 1 but has 5.0L
FX4: 2 but one is a RC Tremor and the other is nicely equipped FX4 but its (red color)
FX2: 0
XLT: 10 but only 1 in an EcoBoost crewcab 5.5' box which is the most popular model
STX: 3 but they're all rolling on 20's with the appearance pkg (yuck)
XL: 3 (fleet trucks)

As you can see it's slim pickings for 2014 F-150's!

Ford F150's available at just one local dealer in Florida from there web site (Sam Galloway Ford) where I live is 179 trucks on their lot:

Trims
FX2 (3)
King Ranch (10)
Lariat (28)
Limited (1)
Platinum (5)
STX (38)
SVT Raptor (6)
XL (16)
XLT (72)


Cab Style
Crew Cab Pickup (142)
Extended Cab Pickup (23)
Regular Cab Pickup (14)

Second Ford dealer where I live much smaller dealer (Coconut Point Ford) from dealers web site is 41 trucks:

Trims
King Ranch (1)
Lariat (8)
Limited (2)
Platinum (3)
STX (3)
SVT Raptor (3)
XL (6)
XLT (15)

Cab Style
Crew Cab Pickup (30)
Extended Cab Pickup (8)
Regular Cab Pickup (3)

Third Ford dealer where I live 30 minutes south of me (Tamiami Ford) has 93 trucks on their lot:


Trims
King Ranch (6)
Lariat (35)
Platinum (5)
STX (9)
XL (8)
XLT (30)


Cab Style
Crew Cab Pickup (71)
Extended Cab Pickup (13)
Regular Cab Pickup (9)

Charlotte County Ford has 40 F150's on their lot, they are the smallest of the three four dealers I have listed. There web site does not show their inventory the same as the other three in the that format.

So that is four dealers all within 30 minutes of me with a total of 353 Ford F150 trucks in my area that available to the public.

Palmetto Ford in Miami Dade County across the cost just one of many Ford dealers in the Miami area has 47 F150's.

The fact is there are plenty of F150's available for the public to buy right now.

Palmetto Ford New Vehicles


47 Vehicles Found

You Searched For

Inventory Type: New

Year: 2014

Make: Ford

Model: F-150

Saw Grass Ford in Broward County (Ft. Lauderdale area) one of many Ford dealers in Broward County has 99 F150's available.


Trims
FX2 (1)
FX4 (9)
King Ranch (9)
Lariat (4)
Limited (13)
STX (37)
XL (2)
XLT (24)


Cab Style
Crew Cab Pickup (85)
Extended Cab Pickup (14)

Plantation Ford in Broward County has 49 F 150's

Metro Ford Miami -Dade County has 57 F 150's

Trims
FX2 (9)
FX4 (7)
King Ranch (2)
Limited (3)
STX (18)
SVT Raptor (2)
XL (3)
XLT (13)


Cab Style
Crew Cab Pickup (37)
Extended Cab Pickup (18)
Regular Cab Pickup (2)


Metro Ford in Miami-Dade County has 24 F150's A small dealer.

Gus Machado Ford in Maimi-Dade County has 55 F150's and get this 51 2013 F150's still on their lot for sale.

Sure does not look like any shortage of 2014 F150 pick ups to me and this is just a small area of south Florida not counting all the Ford dealers in the same area.


Guts

&

Glory


Posted by: Ram Big Horn 1500 | Oct 23, 2014 7:26:05 AM

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The above post was done by a name jumper not me. I have never posted that in any of my posts. So it looks like someone is name jumping again.

@Ram Big Horn 1500,

Stop spamming.

JUST THE FACTS: Not everyone can say they're the fastest truck brand at going BROKE!

"Fiat profits fall 55% as Chrysler incentives, launches hurt bottom line"

http://www.hispanicbusiness.com/2014/7/30/fiat_profits_fall_55_as_chrysler.htm


Posted by: johnny doe | Oct 22, 2014 1:48:22 PM


G.M.'S PROFITS IF ANY WILL BE GOING TOWARDS RECALLS AND LAWSUITS FOR SOME TIME TO COME.

@Scott: lol, Chevy had 10k off of crewcabs 6 months ago! It was right after Ram out sold them! GM "didn't want to go back to the old high rebates", but they were forced to, atleast if they wanted their ugly arse trucks to be #2 in sales.

Just because rebates might say this and that, doesn't mean you can't get 10k + off a new (2014) 1500 Chevy, wait two more months, 11k, maybe 12k off.

By the way, the 9500 must be high, 8500 is what I seen on 2014 Rams, but it's your story, tell it how you like!

GM profit drops.
10/23/14
http://news.yahoo.com/general-motors-profit-drops-weakness-europe-south-america-142319899.html

GMC will take off even bigger than the last few years! With Buick backing them up. GMC's have the top 3 most dependable fullsize trucks and suv's. NOT Chevrolet!!! Chevy can be killed off any time now GM! The Corvette and Camaro can be Buick's. In California Buick is becoming more prestigious than Cadillac ever was. GM Knows it's their GMC namesake that leads the way! Thank you Mark Reuss for recognizing our brilliance! Chevrolet sucks. Their trucks suck, their cars suck, their suv's-cuv's suck and their dealers suck. All second rate and all rebadged GM's now anyway! Sorry Chevy, time to get lost and stick the real GMC nameplates on your second class trash (after we fix it).


http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autosmidsize/22-most-dependable-cars-on-the-road/ss-BB8f5vi#image=11

Elder Ford in Tampa has 79 F150 pick ups in stock. On the first page one is over 8,000 dollars off MSRP.

The second page the trucks are all 6,000 to 7,000 dollars off except one that is 5,000 dollars off MSRP.

Here you go over 9,000 dollars off MSRP on a 2014 F150.

2014 Ford F-150 ROUSH FX4

MSRP:$67,731

You Save:-$9,538

Sale Price:$58,193

All Years 2014 (79)

All Models E-350 Cutaway (1) Edge (6) Escape (12) Expedition (5) F-150 (79) Fiesta (2) Flex (4) Focus (21) Fusion (8) Mustang (12) Transit Connect (2)

All Body Styles Truck Regular Cab (6) Truck SuperCab (24) Truck SuperCrew Cab (49)


Body Style
Truck Regular Cab (6)
Truck SuperCab (24)
Truck SuperCrew Cab (49)

Now don't try posting your Ford Bull Crap about they are not giving anything off 2014 F150 trucks.

Elder Ford in Tampa has 79 F150 pick ups in stock. On the first page one is over 8,000 dollars off MSRP.

The second page the trucks are all 6,000 to 7,000 dollars off except one that is 5,000 dollars off MSRP.

Here you go over 9,000 dollars off MSRP on a 2014 F150.

2014 Ford F-150 ROUSH FX4

MSRP:$67,731

You Save:-$9,538

Sale Price:$58,193


All Years 2014 (79)

All Models E-350 Cutaway (1) Edge (6) Escape (12) Expedition (5) F-150 (79) Fiesta (2) Flex (4) Focus (21) Fusion (8) Mustang (12) Transit Connect (2)

All Body Styles Truck Regular Cab (6) Truck SuperCab (24) Truck SuperCrew Cab (49)


Body Style
Truck Regular Cab (6)
Truck SuperCab (24)
Truck SuperCrew Cab (49)

Now don't try posting your Ford Bull Crap about they are not giving anything off 2014 F150 trucks.

Let's look in Lou's neck of the woods in BC at Willacheck Ford....

Limited: 1 (ugly trim pkg and overpriced)

Lariat: 2 but one is 5.0 and the other is red EB
non-red Lariat EcoBoost: a big fat 0

FX4: 4 but 3 are 5.0's and two are red
non-red EcoBoost FX4: a big fat 0

XLT: 26 but all are either 5.0s, red, non-crew cab, or 6.5' bed
non-red XLT EcoBoost CrewCab 5.5' bed: only 3 (and one of them is white)

XL: 2 (3.7L white fleet trucks - with one in RC)

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Out of 35 TRUCKS if you want a non-red, EcoBoost, crewcab there are only 3 trucks. XLT trim only and just one with a 5.5' bed and it happens to be white.

Slim picking up there and slim over here.

Seems like the red trucks get purchased last.

Correction: that was Chilliwack Ford

$9k off a 67k truck is only 14% off. $4k to $8k off is average, not big discounts for a truck gen in its final year and would include all rebates and dealer discounts.

Any profits chysler/ram makes is going overseas to prop up the mother company
Posted by: scott | Oct 22, 2014 8:07:41 PM

You said " Any Profits"
I didn't find anything like this on Google, or even in your link.

So I am asking you again. Source?

@zviera - Scott posted a link. Google it and you will find several news stories stating that Chrysler money is propping up FCA operations.

@Dave, If you can't find a F150 just buy a F250!

@zviera - Scott posted a link. Google it and you will find several news stories stating that Chrysler money is propping up FCA operations.


Posted by: Lou_BC | Oct 23, 2014 5:24:54 PM

There is no question about that. The claim was "Any profit"
which I didn't find any source for, nor you or Scott.

@Lou
Btw: That link Scott posted is from January. LOL.

@zviera - Scott posted a link. Google it and you will find several news stories stating that Chrysler money is propping up FCA operations.

Posted by: Lou_BC | Oct 23, 2014 5:24:54 PM

GOOGLE IS YOUR FRIEND.

Ram beating up on Ford in pickup-truck sales
October 8, 2014
http://bizbeatblog.dallasnews.com/2014/10/chevy-ram-beating-up-on-ford-in-pickup-truck-sales.html/

Fords profit margin was the highest of the big 3. 11.7% from Q2. Mean while FCA profits fell sharply in Q2. Fiat is going to drag chysler down bad. Q3 isn't released yet but with fiats financial trouble and $9K+ Off of new rams that is going to cut into the entire companies profits.
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSI6N0PM01620140730?irpc=932

Fords profit margin was the highest of the big 3. 11.7% from Q2. Mean while FCA profits fell sharply in Q2. Fiat is going to drag chysler down bad. Q3 isn't released yet but with fiats financial trouble and $9K+ Off of new rams that is going to cut into the entire companies profits.
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSI6N0PM01620140730?irpc=932


Posted by: Scott | Oct 23, 2014 8:05:07 PM


Old July story Scott.

It will not be long before the F150 FE numbers are released and then the F150 goes on sale.

A few months after both of those things happen, the debate will be settled. I haven't commented here much lately, because I feel this debates has just been going around in circles.

At this point I feel that everything that can be said about the '15 F150 has been said, it's now just a waiting game.

Once we see sales figures, we can have a more in depth discussion, until then, your guess is as good as mine as to what will happen.

I am also curious about the upcoming Superduty, but I think the success or failure of the '15 F150 will answer a lot of those question for us.

Next month I plan to go to the LA auto show and I hope that they have a '15 F150 on display there. I plan to take a good look if they have it or even possibly a test drive. Even though I am a Ram guy, I always take a look a what the competition has to offer.

When you bring in your Toyota Tacoma or Tundra in for the air bag recall Toyota will shut off the passenger side air bag and place a warning label on the dash stating its unsafe for anybody to sit in the passenger seat.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/10/20/toyota-airbag-recall-takata/17610199/

Lets have a contest and see who the first regular here will buy the first 2015 F-150, for proof you have to submit a picture of the truck hold up a piece of cardboard with the date and print PUTC on it PLUS you must show the pink copy of the receipt.

The pink copy of the receipt must show its a 2015 F-150 , the date, and the total price, you can block out everything else.

lets go!
I'm in !
I'm going to win !

BAFO,

How do you figure?

Ford fan boys are saying Ford is not offering hardly any incentives on 2014 F150's and we have proven that to be false. Dealers are offing just as much off the price of F150's as Chevy/GMC and Ram.

Next Ford fan boys have been claiming there is a shortage of 2014 F150's yet when I pull up dealer inventory's there are more than enough 2014 F150's available and in fact there is a normal supply for model change over.

All the manufactures run low on certain models when model change over happens from one year to the next.

Ford ramped up production of the 2014 F150 because they know their change over was going to take longer than the normal model year change over so they have enough 2014 trucks and when the 2015 F150 starts to hit the dealer lots there will be, GASP, 2014 F150's on the lots that the dealers will be making even bigger deals on then they are now and you can get any where from 5,000 to 14,000 dollars off 2014 Ford F150's in Florida right now.

Just like any manufacture the higher price the truck the bigger the deal you can get on it.

Buy the entry level F150 and you can get 5,000 off, normal for all the manufactures, buy the top of the line model and you can get up to 14,000 dollars off, again normal for all the manufactures.

@Scott,

How about when Ford has to use its profits to prop up its European division? Same with General Motors, both have had to when they have a down turn, you did know that right?

Pressure on Ford and General Motors as overseas operations begin to slow:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/yourmoney/ct-marksjarvis-earnings-1008-biz-20141008-column.html

While economies can be weak and companies remain masterful in generating the profits investors want to see, the risk during earnings-reporting season is that profits materialize at lower levels than investors are expecting. And a glum report from one company can spill over to another, and cause investors to second guess what they've paid for stocks.

For example, Ford last week sharply lowered expectations for international sales, and on Tuesday a Morgan Stanley analyst told investors to expect similar forces to weigh on General Motors. The automaker's stock fell almost 6 percent to $31.77.

For those about to buy a HEMI...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKhTk0IynHM

WE SOLUTE YOU!

@HEMI V8,

How about, for those about to buy Ram, we salute you!

Zviera
Those are quarter 2 and the most recent. Q3 will be out in November.

Zviera
Those are quarter 2 and the most recent. Q3 will be out in November.

Posted by: Scott | Oct 24, 2014 10:19:10 AM

You can find plenty of post by Google, that Fiat improved in Europe significantly. Ford lost more than 50 % in Russia. But read what ever makes you happy.

This will make some Ford fans mad but the 3rd Quarter is almost as bad as FCA 2nd Quarter.

Ford's Q3 pretax operating profit falls 54% to $1.18 billion

http://www.autonews.com/article/20141024/OEM01/141029892/fords-q3-pretax-operating-profit-falls-54-to-1-18-billion

GM was only down 14%

http://www.autonews.com/article/20141023/OEM01/141029918/gm-operating-profits-fall-14-in-q3-on-flat-revenue

No FCA report yet to see if they have improve from their 55% drop last Quarter .

@johnny doe

I don't consider it bad. As both manf were profitable. Europe is where the drag is on gm and ford. What was awesome and is great news for the f150 was that gm's truck raised its average transaction price by 4k to over 34k per truck. NA is doing very well. The 15 f150 is going to be a hit and until Kansas gets going they are going to be in demand. If the 2.7 can get a 25 mpg rating they are going to be hot sellers.

@johny doe
It doesn't make me mad at all.

The 15 f150 is going to be a hit and until Kansas gets going they are going to be in demand. If the 2.7 can get a 25 mpg rating they are going to be hot sellers.

Posted by: Scott | Oct 24, 2014 1:55:45 PM

I disagree. Gasoline prices are failing, so people stop buying smaller cars and smaller engines. Bed timing for Ford, great for RAM with 6.4 HEMI.

@zviera - Scott posted a link. Google it and you will find several news stories stating that Chrysler money is propping up FCA operations.


Posted by: Lou_BC | Oct 23, 2014 5:24:54 PM

Whoopdedo! Wasn't it Fiat that propped up Chrysler in 2009??

@zviera

That 6.4 3/4 ton plus motor. Not half ton. For still has 6.2 in 3/4 ton which is on par in performance with the 6.4. If mpg isn't a concern for buyers ram wouldn't sell a single ecodiesel when the hemi is far superior to the eco diesel in everyway except mpg's. Also the govt is mandating mpg's on fleet wide and they are only getting stricter. Fuel prices will go back up and consumers are getting more programmed for mpg's. People are always concerned with mpg..... I would be rich if I had a dollar every time I get asked what mpg's my raptor gets. My response is always "about 2-3 mpg worse then what there truck". Which maybe equates to $5-$10 more per 500 miles. People have been programmed to care about mpg's without knowing what it truly saves them.

"Whoopdedo! Wasn't it Fiat that propped up Chrysler in 2009??
Posted by: HEMI V8"

Nope.

USA and Canadian tax payers propped up Chrysler in 2009.......... then Fiat cough hack wheeze purchased them from the government at fire sale prices. (Sorry, I shouldn't of used the word fire with you).

@Lou
You could purchase them too, if you think it was a fire sale , but no, even RAMBOX is pricy option for you.

Yes, gas prices are falling but we all know that may not last long, nobody knows where the prices will be a year from now, if a middle east war breaks out they can be $7/gal overnight!

I can remember back in 2007-2008 when gas went over $4/gal everybody was trading in their full size 4x4 truck for a compact car and all the dealers were overstocked with late model used 4x4's where they were selling for $10-$12K.

Just think of the resale value of your new truck falling like a rock overnight!
Play it safe and still buy a fuel efficient pickup.

I asked my local Ford Dealer if I can make a You Tube video of the new 2015 F-150 the day it comes in cause I consider myself an expert on that truck from what I learned about it here on PUTC, he said: "get out of here you sob" so I take that as a No!

Lou is absolutely correct. We bailed out by Chrysler through US and Canadian tax dollars and then gave away Chrysler to the Italians for free and much of its profit is being used to prop up Fiat in Europe.

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Auto Bailout Gives Away Chrysler

Monday, 13 Jan 2014 01:59 PM

By John Berlau Newsmax
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As 2014 opened, Detroit was bankrupt, but they were cheering the five-year-old U.S. auto bailout in Italy. That’s because after being the beneficiary of billions in U.S. taxpayer largesse, Fiat, the 115-year-old Italian auto company, is going to buy its final stake in Chrysler from that other big bailout recipient, the United Auto Workers (UAW).

“Chrysler’s Now Fully an Italian Auto Company,” reads the Time magazine online headline.

But wait a minute!

Wasn’t the bailout supposed to be about saving the American auto industry?

Late in the 2012 presidential campaign, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney took heat for arguments, based on news accounts, that the Obama administration "sold Chrysler to Italians who are going to build Jeeps in China." Politifact gave Romney its "lie of the year" award, even though the claim turned out to be correct.

But as my former colleague Mark Beatty and I noted at the time, Romney missed the real reason for outrage. Chrysler wasn't "sold" to an Italian firm, but given away through U.S. tax dollars.

As we wrote in the Daily Caller in November 2012: "The real outrage arising from the 2009 Chrysler bailout is not that its parent company, Fiat, is planning to build plants in China. It’s that the politicized bankruptcy process limited Chrysler’s growth potential by tying it to an Italian dinosaur in the midst of the European fiscal crisis.

"The Obama administration literally gave away ownership of one of the Big Three American auto manufacturers to an Italian car maker struggling with labor and productivity issues worse than those that drove Chrysler to near-liquidation."

Moody’s had downgraded Fiat’s credit rating to “junk” even before the Obama administration arranged for it to acquire a Chrysler stake in 2009, and in Autumn 2012, Moody’s gave Fiat another downgrade that the Financial Times described as even “further into ‘junk’ territory.” And just after Fiat announced it was buying Chrysler's final stake in 2014, Moody's put the company under review for a possible further downgrade.

Since Fiat gained partial ownership under the Obama reorganization, much of Chrysler’s profits from its overhauled line are going to prop up Fiat’s failing, money-losing Italian business, rather than to expanding production and jobs in the U.S. Politifact and others felt confident in calling Romney's claim a "lie" by citing Fiat's assurance that it would only build Chrysler products in overseas market to sell to those markets.

Yet in December 2012, just one week after Politifact awarded its "lie," Fiat announced that it would be making a line of Jeeps in Melfi, Italy, for export to "markets worldwide," including the U.S.

More: http://www.newsmax.com/JohnBerlau/chrysler-bailout-obama-jeep/2014/01/13/id/546799/

@Chris
Best thing what could ever happen to Chrysler. Look how Chrysler outperforms everyone.
Would you rather close the Chrysler doors?
Do you know some better solution ? Please share it with us. I am listening.

@Chris

Marchionne’s remarks directly contradicted the promise he made at the Detroit Auto Show last January that Wrangler production would remain in Toledo. At that time, Marchionne said “…one of the commitments we’ve made is never to produce a Wrangler outside of Toledo….”

http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php/2014/10/wrangler-likely-to-remain-in-toledo



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