Ram and GM Chase Down Ford

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Don't look now, but September was the second consecutive month GM beat Ford in sales. If you combine Chevrolet and GMC monthly pickup truck sales and compare those numbers to F-Series monthly sales, GM is eating Ford's lunch. In fact, Chevy was up 54 percent for the month, GMC was up 25 percent, and Ram was up 33 percent in August and 30 percent in September. Gains on the perennial leader are being made.

According to Automotive News, falling fuel prices, a more optimistic economic outlook and more attention on the pickup truck segment are helping truck sales surge.

Of course, the fact that Ford is running only two of its three massive F-Series truck plants could account for the statistical blip. With a hugely complicated plant changeover in progress at the plant in Dearborn, Mich., in preparation for the new 2015 F-150 pickup and its new rivet, adhesive and manufacturing stations, the supply of existing vehicles is restricted, but not by much. We've included a quick Ford "going greener" video (below) about changing over the Dearborn plant to LED lighting but there are some good views of how they've wiped much of the interior of the plant clean to set up the new assembly lines. 

Ford is still a few months from rolling the first new F-150s off the line in Dearborn, and then it will start the whole process again at the Kansas City Assembly Plant, where things should go faster and smoother since Ford will have learned from the Dearborn experience. But that's why Ford brought Joe Hinrichs in almost two years ago. As Ford's executive vice president and president of the Americas, it has been and will be his responsibility to make sure the F-150 production transition progresses without any problems. And given his track record, the odds look pretty good that things will go well.

While serving as group vice president and president of Asia Pacific and Africa, Hinrichs personally oversaw the building of nine new manufacturing plants that are responsible for bringing 50 new vehicles and powertrains to market. Before he took on his current position, Hinrichs worked for 12 years at Ford in just about every major operation here and in Canada. But watching him oversee this huge transition will be interesting. All the new F-150s we've seen so far have been built at a special off-site production facility. We'll know more about Ford's huge gamble when the first trucks start rolling off the Dearborn assembly line later this year.

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Comments

@beebe

Are you sure it told you the payload of the 2015s? Those numbers haven't even been published yet, and what posted earlier was the only thing I have seen so far.

Once Ford is selling the heck out of the new f150's this story will be mute,

Looks like some of the comments on here will be deleted shortly, so we can back on the topic

@All1
Nobody is wasting your time , but you. Just look how many words you did write and compare it to my post. BTW : my first one wasn't meant for you, so you shouldn't even react. But if you want to waste your time, I am ok with that. Just don't blame anybody else but yourself.

Story is kind of stupid....It's nothing new for the GM twins to outsell Ford monthly and even yearly. In fact, GM out sold the F series 8 out of 10 years between 2000 and 2010.

It's the lazy automotive press that let's Ford get away with, and even echo the whole 'best selling' crap.

@ Beebe
I don't blame you. If you need that payload, buy f150.
I am just saying, thatf150 , RAM 1500 and RAM 2500 are from the same class, like All1 said and f150 is not a half ton. It all depends what payload is rated each model for. You can compare it directly to RAM 2500. Only objective should be payload , same accessories and
price.
I am pretty sure that for the same money and payload you can get a RAM 2500 with 6.4HEMI. I could be mistaken though.

@All1


I will buy RAM 2500 V8 HEMI 6.4 MDS.
You live only once.

Posted by: zviera | Oct 6, 2014 10:37:29 PM

Really? I don't think so.

@All1
The second one was for Beebe.

@Beebe

Here is a sneak peak of some of the 2015 numbers. Check out those payload ratings and curb weights. Who needs a 3/4 ton with ratings like that.

http://s25.postimg.org/f7c1od6cf/10252066_706137132813985_8676940201114664138_n.jpg

It is 3/4 ton with busybee.

Posted by: zviera | Oct 6, 2014 10:41:19 PM

I have no control at wasting your time All1.


Thi one is for Beebe. Not for All1.

@ Beebe
I don't blame you. If you need that payload, buy f150.
I am just saying, that f150 , RAM 1500 and RAM 2500 are from the same class, like All1 said and f150 is not a half ton. It all depends what payload is rated each model for. You can compare it directly to RAM 2500. Only objective should be payload , same accessories and
price.
I am pretty sure that for the same money and payload you can get a RAM 2500 with 6.4HEMI. I could be mistaken though.

@All1
When it says @Beebe, it means it's for Beebe.
Even in Texas.

@zviera

Sure, whatever makes you feel better bud.

@All1
He could ban just you. It would be better solution.

@Lou BC

"He could ban just you. It would be better solution."

Or he could just ban those that purposely post derogatory remarks just to be an anus. That would be much better.

@All1
You are right. He could ban Lou BC .

@zviera

That comment was for Lou BC.

So why are you wasting your time?

@All1


"@Lou BC

"He could ban just you. It would be better solution.""

I know. I just agree with you, that he should ban him.
I am not wasting my time. I didn't complain.



@zviera

I never said to ban Lou. I was quoting someone else's comment in reference to make my own exactly how you did soooooo....

That comment was for Lou BC.

So why are you wasting your time?


@All1
You are.

@Ramadan Little Horn - Ford has officially stated that the 2015 F150 has been tested to SAE standards.

LOL, does the guy in the Ford video even have a green card or a work visa?
Looks like Ford is taking full advantage of all the Obama illegal immigration.
Posted by: Ram Big Horn 1500 | Oct 6, 2014 9:18:53 PM

FCA is doing their part to minimize illegal immigration by building all of their HD's in Mexico.

"My local Ford Dealer treats me good and the local Ram and Chevy Dealers are crooks.
Its a really tough choice what my next truck will be, I admit I am hunting for excuses against the F-150 but its my most safe choice right now but I won't win any friends by owning one.
What do I do?
Posted by: Tom#3 | Oct 7, 2014 2:56:08 AM"

Top 10 Gay Cars

10. Chrysler Sebring

9. VW Cabrio

8. VW Golf

7. Saturn SC1

6. SAAB 900

5. Mazda Miata

4. Jeep Wrangler

3. BMW 3-Series

2. VW Bug

1. VW Jetta

Try the Jetta!

Lou_BC the muslim is back posting again.

@Ram south little Horn 1500 - really? where?

"I want a pickup that makes me look good, a truck that fits me like fine clothes, everybody in my work crew owns a Ram and I am a very good looking handsome man with broad shoulders , perfect body! I need a truck that also makes me look good and my F-150 doesn't do that, I have an image to keep.
The pearl white Ram 1500 will make me look good. The King always traveled in the best looking carriage with white horses."

@Tom#3 - after reading that post once again maybe you need a convertible. The Wrangler is the only one with 4x4 but that is a FCA product.

@Lou_BC
Perhaps you should stop responding to the trolls, or are you one of them?

Of all people who claim to be anti-troll on this blog, it is highly suspect that you always respond to trolls and get so worked up by them.

Do GM and Ram pose a threat to you? Is that why you react the way you do?

I am moving you down to the bottom of my list where DiM, zvirus and All1 reside

Oh no, I'm on the soccer Mom's naughty list. What will I ever do. Wait, what is your MILF rating soccer mom? This might be a good thing.

I think Ford's marketing and advertising should go after the women with the new F-150, you know make women wanting to own a F-150.
If Ford could get the women vehicle market for their trucks no competitor could touch them with their sales numbers!
Maybe they could make a pink truck with cute kittens and flower decals, that would look so darling!

@ALL1
I find it extremely odd the amount of trolling you are doing on this site, under your ALL1 name and the other names.

Your name is new, but yet you profess to have much knowledge of previous ongoings on this site. Call me stupid but your comments and approach just don't add up. I do think you are nothing but a troll.

This is where adequate moderation of PUTC would have quickly identified you as a waste and problem on PUTC.

We need better moderation to weed people like you out.

I do hope PUTC does identify you.

It seems you are just a poor an individual as some the Ram fans with your dishonest approach to debating.

You have done Ford a great disservice with you techniques.

PUTC did state they are issues tracking down the retarded people damaging this site.

I do think the sooner this site rids itself of people like the better the site will be.

I wonder when the new PUTC will arrive, hopefully soon.

Like I told the Ram guys once. It's not that Ram is a bad vehicle but they are.

The same applies with you regarding Frod.

You only want postives mentioned regarding Frod. Maybe more positives will come out if you become positive.

Go to Lou_BC for support and shoulder to wimper on, or have a chat with Bebee. I do bet you know where I'm coming from.

You type of personalities have made Ford and Fiat Ram the target. This isn't good for you favourite brands.

@Tom#3

It is funny that you say that. Both Lou and I have already commented on this. I am not trying to be facetious or anything, but the woman driver ratio is by far the Ram 1500 in both our areas. Most Ram guys where live get the 2500 or 3500. I know in my brother in law and sister's case it is due to payload, but that may not be the case for everyone. I know my sister loves the plush car like ride of her Ram 1500, but my brother in law hates it for that reason. He said it doesn't feel sturdy enough like his 3500 especially when towing. Like I said, that may not be the case for everyone.

@Ramadan Little Horn - Ford has officially stated that the 2015 F150 has been tested to SAE standards.

LOL, does the guy in the Ford video even have a green card or a work visa?
Looks like Ford is taking full advantage of all the Obama illegal immigration.
Posted by: Ram Big Horn 1500 | Oct 6, 2014 9:18:53 PM

FCA is doing their part to minimize illegal immigration by building all of their HD's in Mexico.


Posted by: Lou_BC | Oct 7, 2014 12:21:47 PM

Where you ask Lou_BC the muslim. There is your post above.

Pickup Truck dot Com has made it clear they do not care about you posting your muslim crap on their site with just drags the site down so I guess you and your muslim buddies have free reign over PickupTruck.com

So now the forum clique is attacking women pick up truck owners. This site is a total waste and it is no wonder it is not taken serious.

Wrangler may leave frame, factory, steel behind
by David Zatz • Posted on October 2, 2014

The 2017 Jeep Wrangler may leave its historic steel body-on-frame construction and Toledo plant behind, according to Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne, as quoted by Automotive News’ Larry Vellequette.

The current Wrangler has good mileage for rugged four wheel drive vehicles, but poor economy overall, at around 17/21 mpg (depending on model and transmission).

Mr. Marchionne said the Wrangler will need to lose weight and might need an aluminum unibody setup; previously, he had implied that Wrangler would be Chrysler’s first car to make extensive use of aluminum since the Plymouth Prowler, whose team was largely hired by Ford.

The 3.6 liter V6 would likely be swapped out for either a Hurricane 2.0 turbo and/or the smaller 3.2 V6. Many believe a diesel will be optional.

http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php/2014/10/wrangler-may-leave-frame-factory-steel-behind

ALL GUTS

ALL GLORY

ALL BUTT KICKING JEEP!

Think I'll go grab another beer and hit the refresh icon to see what other funny things people have got to say. I'll grab ALL1 a beer to, as he also agrees that little Al from oz is nothing but a moron/troll. No matter what you say you are wrong, and only he is right. Then won't answer you're question,s but expects you to answer his. Then he'll turn the subject to something else as he knows he been busted,and don't have a clue what he is talking about.

I see All One is showing that he truly doesn't know what he's talking about once again.

Trucks are weighed individually, it's not the same payload amount for your truck trim package, and then minus for options. Now if you look it up online, it is your trucks trim package minus the weight of options. But we are talking about a payload sticker here, in that payload sticker goes with that individual truck. Those payload stickers are made after they weigh the truck with a full tank of gas, and then subtract that number from the gross vehicle weight rating.

How could it be that I looked at two Laramie 4 x 4 crew cab hemi's, they were exactly the same except for their color, and one had the console, and the other did not. The payload writing for the one without the console was 1290, with console, 1274 pounds. Now that makes sense, unless your name is All One.

It's funny you want to tell your stories about your pay low ratings, I did drive a Larimie with the air suspension it was a 1050 pound rating, and I have also driven a Big Horn four-wheel-drive crew cab that had an 1161 pound pay load rating. Come to think of it, that is about the same exact payload is an F-150 Harley Davidson model has or more than the Harley F150 has. Funny I don't hear the Ford people crying about that.

As for your eco-boost engine's, I see they changed the block design for the 2.7. That's a good move, I could've told you that was going to happen. What does that say about your aluminum blocks that are out there right now?

I do know this, a 6.4L Hemi will outlast any one of those eco-boost engine's that they're having problems trying to sort out.

You want to gamble with Ford? Go right ahead! You can also have the crappy ride!

@TRX-4 Tommy

"I see All One is showing that he truly doesn't know what he's talking about once again."

Uhm, you do know that the two paragraphs that you posted after this is exactly how I have been describing how payload and options work right?

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"It's funny you want to tell your stories about your pay low ratings, I did drive a Larimie with the air suspension it was a 1050 pound rating, and I have also driven a Big Horn four-wheel-drive crew cab that had an 1161 pound pay load rating. Come to think of it, that is about the same exact payload is an F-150 Harley Davidson model has or more than the Harley F150 has."

The Harley Davidson F150 had the same suspension as a Limited, which is the most plush and least GVWR of all the F150s. If you are going to compare then at least don't cherry pick that bad.

The reason for the Ram 1500 or any truck payload is it's GVWR. The GVWR is the amount of weight the trucks suspension, frame, and axles are rated to handle. This is subtracted from the trucks curb weight(with options) and you have your payload. Essentially the lower the GVWR, the more the truck weight, the lower the payload. Remember, the GVWR range of the truck Class 2a that the 150/1500 are in ranged from 6,001 to 8,500 lbs GVWR.

There is not one Ram 1500 that has a GVWR higher than 6,950 lbs. See for yourself --- http://www.rambodybuilder.com/2014/docs/ram/rammlup1500.pdf

In contrast, most of the F150 GVWR are in the 7,000 lb range and go all the way to 8,200lbs. See for yourself --- https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/topics/2014/2014_F-150_v1-0.pdf

So unless Ram does some to increase it's GVWR or lighten the truck, it will have never have that big of payload numbers.

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"As for your eco-boost engine's, I see they changed the block design for the 2.7. That's a good move, I could've told you that was going to happen. What does that say about your aluminum blocks that are out there right now?"

That is because the 2.7L Ecoboost is operating under much higher cylinder pressure than the 3.5L does to get the amount of power it does. The cylinder pressure of the 2.7L is diesel like hence the reason it has the same compacted graphite iron block as the diesels. If you add a CGI block to the 3.5L to increase cylinder pressure then you would see much greater power numbers.

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"I do know this, a 6.4L Hemi will outlast any one of those eco-boost engine's that they're having problems trying to sort out."

And you are allowed to have your opinion.

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"You want to gamble with Ford? Go right ahead! You can also have the crappy ride!"

I will thanks for the concern, although I do love the ride. I bought a truck for capability, not to be a car.

All1 has become a great asset to the comments and PUTC community.

@ram south little horn - I have not called anyone a Muslim. Why would i want to insult Muslims? They have a legitimate religion just like Christians or Jews. Here is a tidbit of information:

Muslims, Christians, and Jews all share a common lineage through Abraham. In other words, they all follow the same monotheistic pathway.

Blind belief in anything is bad, that metaphor is lost on you.

Christ All1 and the rest STOP posting about payload and GVWR. NONE of you have any idea what you are talking about. ALL of those numbers are manufacturer make believe numbers. The ONLY numbers that have any meaning are the GAWR.

You look like idiots constantly discussing make believe payload and GVWR when those numbers are nothing more than meaningless marketing nonsense.

Go look at a trucks GAWR and then come back and post. You're going to have a hard time doing your stupid trolling nonsense though since all of the half tons have virtually the same GAWRs.

Far to many unknowns with the 2015 Ford F150.

http://autoweek.com/article/car-news/aluminum-and-ford-f-150

@Get Real

Okay, please inform us how the "make believe" GVWR are made up? If you can say this then please back it up and enlighten us.

Why would Ford, Ram, GM, and other manufacturers even have different spring rates, different suspension packages, different axles, or different frames in their lineup with different ratings if these were all made up numbers? If these were all just made up then wouldn't manufacturers just max out the GVWR of their class? Please, inform of this because I am dieing to hear this.


Fiat Chrysler Automobiles becomes official Sunday

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Don't worry folks, all the truth coming forward. Go easy on Fords short term plans for growth. Did you not think for a minute others won't follow? Honest ones will. Ford and their F150 has been on top I believe commercials say ~ 37 years. In that time we know they did major upgrade to F150 and did just fine.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-07/gm-falls-after-morgan-stanley-sees-similar-risks-as-ford.html?cmpid=yhoo

ALL1

The government only cares about GAWR, GAWR is the only characteristic that carries any legal weight and has any meaning. EVERYTHING else is just make believe. Only recently is there even a standard for tow ratings. There is no "standard" for payload, its a make believe number created by the manufacturer.

If you think the manufacturer's B.S. payload ratings taking into account spring rating are at all meaningful you need look no further than PUTC own squat tests. Ram should have squatted the most. They didn't. Going from coils to air springs on the Ram should have made a difference. It didn't.

If you've used trucks for work you can load it up and feel the difference and guesstimate. If you want to be certain load your truck and weigh it at the nearest CAT scale. Check your front and rear axle weight and go from there.

@All1
Don't sleep.
It's your turn.

@zvie....I mean Get Real

"The government only cares about GAWR,GAWR is the only characteristic that carries any legal weight and has any meaning."

No. this is totally false. The US DOT goes by GVWR which is how they set which class a vehicles is in. Even the EPA goes by GVWR in their emission vehicle classifications. http://www.epa.gov/otaq/standards/weights.htm

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"There is no "standard" for payload, its a make believe number created by the manufacturer."

Since it is obvious you do not know how payload is derived them let me go over it for you again. First, a manufacturer calculates the GVWR(Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) of the vehicle. The is derived by using the amount that the suspension, axles, brakes, and frame can safely handle in total. The reason why they use all these to set the GVWR is because most times the axles is not the limiting factor so just going by the GAWR would be incorrect in assessing the GVWR. After the weight rating of what the suspension, axle, brakes, and frame can handle is reached, then the trucks payload can be derived by simply subtracting the trucks curb weight from the GVWR. So you see, a truck's payload is figured by it's GVWR.

However, if you claim is that a vehicles payload is BS (therefor making the GVWR BS), then what would stop them from BSing on the GAWR as well? There is no standard for that as well and it is the manufacturer that rates it just like GVWR.

Although, I do know why you are trying to say to go by GAWR, and it has to do with that Ram tow chart I posted earlier. If the GVWR is lower than the combined GAWR, then what does that tell you? That it is other parts like suspension that is the limiting factor.

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"If you think the manufacturer's B.S. payload ratings taking into account spring rating are at all meaningful you need look no further than PUTC own squat tests. Ram should have squatted the most. They didn't. Going from coils to air springs on the Ram should have made a difference. It didn't."

1, The Ram in the 250/2500 PUTC test had a higher rated payload capacity than both the Ford and Chevy in the test. It also has a taller bed height than the Ford by almost 4 inches.

2. The only squat test was done was with the 350/3500 trucks and all of them are leaf springs even the Ram. There was no squat test done on the 250/2500 other them saying it rear was the lowest which is a no brainer since it was almost 4 inches lower to start with.

3. Look at the 2013 to 2014 Ram 2500 trucks. They lost GVWR going from leaf springs to coil springs.

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"If you want to be certain load your truck and weigh it at the nearest CAT scale. Check your front and rear axle weight and go from there."

NO, and even Ram states this. Look at the notes of that Ram tow chart I posted earlier. Number 3 clearly states "Additionally, the GAWRs and GVWRs should never be exceeded". You will run out of your GVWR long before you run out of that GAWR on that Ram of yours. So what does that tell you? That the axle is NOT the weakest link and is NOT what is making that GVWR so low.

@All1
You should see the scale with your offroad ready loaded truck with trailer.
You will run out of your Rear Axle GAWR before you run out of that GVWR on that Ford of yours.

On a side note, I would like to call BS to Ram saying they did not any lose tow rating going from their 2014 to 2015 models.

2014 Ram 5.7L 2wd Crew Cab 6.4" bed 3.92 axle 8HP70
Tow rating: 10,300 lbs


2015 Ram 5.7L 2wd Crew Cab 6.4" bed 3.92 axle 8HP70
Tow rating 10,220 lbs

2014 Ram 5.7L 4wd Crew Cab 6.4" bed 3.92 axle 8HP70
Tow rating: 10,100 lbs

2015 Ram 5.7L 4wd Crew Cab 6.4" bed 3.92 axle 8HP70
Tow rating: 9,850lbs


2014 Ram 3.0L ED 4wd Crew Cab 6.4" bed 3.92 axle 8HP70
Tow rating: 8,700lbs

2015 Ram 3.0L ED 4wd Crew Cab 6.4" bed 3.92 axle 8HP70
Tow rating: 8,390lbs


And these were just a few I have gone through. Also, oddly enough their 6 speeds are rated to tow more than the 8 speed transmission with the Hemi in every configuration.


Check for yourself.
http://www.rambodybuilder.com/2015/docs/ram/rammlup1500.pdf

@All1
Very nice try of yours, but I told you long time ago to do that and you never responded, so you never did.

@All1
I am actually surprised how low is your GAWR. My sticker says
3900 for Front and Rear.

I think PUTC needs a new 1/2 ton pickup shootout contest as soon as they can get their hands on a 2015 F-150 and settle this once and for all.
PUTC can invite some of the regulars that post messages such as Lou BC and myself to take part in that test so we can post our honest reviews. It wouldn't be fair to invite the guys with "Hemi" in their names cause they would be bias with one brand.

Wasn't the last 1/2 ton shootout back in 2008?

@All1
I did tell you that at PUTC forum, that you are overloading your rear axle. You didn't respond.
But please provide me with PUTC link, where you say that you went true the scale. You have all the links at your fingers reach mostly.

@zviera

Then what does that tell you? That it is either your frame or suspension keeping your GVWR so low perhaps?



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