Ram and GM Chase Down Ford

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Don't look now, but September was the second consecutive month GM beat Ford in sales. If you combine Chevrolet and GMC monthly pickup truck sales and compare those numbers to F-Series monthly sales, GM is eating Ford's lunch. In fact, Chevy was up 54 percent for the month, GMC was up 25 percent, and Ram was up 33 percent in August and 30 percent in September. Gains on the perennial leader are being made.

According to Automotive News, falling fuel prices, a more optimistic economic outlook and more attention on the pickup truck segment are helping truck sales surge.

Of course, the fact that Ford is running only two of its three massive F-Series truck plants could account for the statistical blip. With a hugely complicated plant changeover in progress at the plant in Dearborn, Mich., in preparation for the new 2015 F-150 pickup and its new rivet, adhesive and manufacturing stations, the supply of existing vehicles is restricted, but not by much. We've included a quick Ford "going greener" video (below) about changing over the Dearborn plant to LED lighting but there are some good views of how they've wiped much of the interior of the plant clean to set up the new assembly lines. 

Ford is still a few months from rolling the first new F-150s off the line in Dearborn, and then it will start the whole process again at the Kansas City Assembly Plant, where things should go faster and smoother since Ford will have learned from the Dearborn experience. But that's why Ford brought Joe Hinrichs in almost two years ago. As Ford's executive vice president and president of the Americas, it has been and will be his responsibility to make sure the F-150 production transition progresses without any problems. And given his track record, the odds look pretty good that things will go well.

While serving as group vice president and president of Asia Pacific and Africa, Hinrichs personally oversaw the building of nine new manufacturing plants that are responsible for bringing 50 new vehicles and powertrains to market. Before he took on his current position, Hinrichs worked for 12 years at Ford in just about every major operation here and in Canada. But watching him oversee this huge transition will be interesting. All the new F-150s we've seen so far have been built at a special off-site production facility. We'll know more about Ford's huge gamble when the first trucks start rolling off the Dearborn assembly line later this year.

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On a side note, I would like to call BS to Ram saying they did not any lose tow rating going from their 2014 to 2015 models.


2014 Ram 5.7L 2wd Crew Cab 6.4" bed 3.92 axle 8HP70
Tow rating: 10,300 lbs

2015 Ram 5.7L 2wd Crew Cab 6.4" bed 3.92 axle 8HP70
Tow rating 10,220 lbs


2014 Ram 5.7L 4wd Crew Cab 6.4" bed 3.92 axle 8HP70
Tow rating: 10,100 lbs

2015 Ram 5.7L 4wd Crew Cab 6.4" bed 3.92 axle 8HP70
Tow rating: 9,850lbs


2014 Ram 3.0L ED 4wd Crew Cab 6.4" bed 3.92 axle 8HP70
Tow rating: 8,700lbs

2015 Ram 3.0L ED 4wd Crew Cab 6.4" bed 3.92 axle 8HP70
Tow rating: 8,390lbs


And these were just a few I have gone through. Also, oddly enough their 6 speeds are rated to tow more than the 8 speed transmission with the Hemi in every configuration.


Check for yourself. 
http://www.rambodybuilder.com/2015/docs/ram/rammlup1500.pdf

@zviera

Then what does that tell you? That it is either your frame or suspension keeping your GVWR so low perhaps?


Posted by: ALL1 | Oct 8, 2014 1:33:36 AM

So no 5 lug axle anymore ?

@zviera

Maybe, maybe not. Why don't you call Ram and ask since you are asking that question.

@All1
I knew it . You never went through the scale with your fully loaded truck with loaded trailer . I told you long time ago, you are overloading your rear axle. You overloading your truck.

@Tom#3

"Wasn't the last 1/2 ton shootout back in 2008?"

No, it was last year, and the brand you hate so much won.

http://special-reports.pickuptrucks.com/2013-light-duty-challenge.html

@All1
I tried many times. Google didn't find anything. Your Rear axle GAWR is pretty low. You are overloading your rear axle All1.

All 1
You're correct, Ford does have many different GVWR packages on the F-150.
My 2013 FX4 has a 7350 GVWR Package and its 5150 lbs empty so I can legally haul 2200 lbs.
Correct me if I'm wrong but you can get a 2011-2014 F-150 with a maximum of 8200 GVWR Package.

If you visit a sales lot full of new F-150's you can see they all have different size rear leaf springs, some of the leafs are wider and thicker. That's the main reason I choose the FX4 cause of the heavy duty suspension. There are many other factors with the engine size and model and wheelbase that have the higher payload package such as you can't get a high payload package on a STX with a 3.7 V6.
I think there are 50,000 different ways a F-150 can be configured, the point being not all F-150's are the same so its tough to give anybody an accurate payload and towing capability unless they have the exact specs of a certain model.

It seems the Frod and Fiat guys are still at it.

I do think it's nearly game, set and match.

Will Frod win? Will Ram win?

Both are very equal in intelligence and both are incorrect and correct.

I do think this is a form of spam to not have people read the comments on PUTC.

Why else would you do this day after day.

Can the moderators please remove the above trash from the Ford and Ram fans.

@zviera

"You Hypocrite"

Okay. Let me see your math on how I overloaded my truck.

My trailer is almost 9,500 lbs with about a 12% tongue weight and I used a WDH taking off about 25%.

I am about 205 lbs with my wife being about 130 lbs. Sometimes we have another person with us that is maybe another 150-200 lbs depending on who we bring. Our gear is about 150 lbs.

Here is the data on my truck.
https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/non-html/2011_F150.pdf

Now let me see this math of yours that proves your point?

@Big Horn

"Don't you just love how All1 cherry picks in his Ram bashing. We have no clue how he is configuring the trucks in post to come up with the tow ratings."

I didn't cherry pick. I picked the highest tow rating the configuration I stated was rated for in 2014 and compared to the highest tow rating the same truck was rated for in 2015. Don't believe me, then look for yourself at the exact configurations I stated above.


2014 numbers
http://www.rambodybuilder.com/2014/docs/ram/rammlup1500.pdf

2015 numbers
http://www.rambodybuilder.com/2015/docs/ram/rammlup1500.pdf


So you were saying?

@Big Al

"Can the moderators please remove the above trash from the Ford and Ram fans."

You do know that most people here feel the same way about your posts right? You adamantly post in favor of your opinions with the same fervor as any fanboy on this site. So don't think you are outside this sand box.

@All1
You are back pedaling , which I like. You go for offroading event and your gears is just 150 lbs. That's all you can put there not to overload your rear axle, which I don't believe you. Your bed is full of generator, welder, tool boxes, few canisters of gasoline, water, camping stuff and parts.
You don't mention scale anymore, because you never went to check one and you don't even know your numbers.
Thank you for playing.


@All1
You never been to scale with your full setup. You don't know your numbers.
Lier.

@zviera

Okay.

@All1
I knew it. You rather lie, than lose argument.
I will remember that.

@zviera

Okay, it is your opinion and you are entitled to it.

All1
It's not opinion anymore. It's a fact. You approved it with your "OK."

@All1
You never been to scale with your full setup. You don't know your numbers.
Lier.

Posted by: zviera | Oct 8, 2014 10:42:00 AM
@zviera

Okay.


Posted by: ALL1 | Oct 8, 2014 10:43:36 AM

@zviera

Okay, it is your opinion and you are entitled to it.

@zviera

Okay, it is your opinion and you are entitled to it.

@zviera

Okay, it is your opinion and you are entitled to it.

Really hoping Ford gets scared at the end of the year and throws a ton of cash on the hoods of remaning 2014's.
I will be there to snap one up.

Ford's move to aluminum is hurting the ride of their new trucks a lot. You'll read about a bad ride quality in almost every review. Both GM and RAM have drastically improved ride and comfort in their offerings. Sales are showing this too.



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