2015 Ram 1500 Rebel: First Drive

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Ram's pickup truck formula seems to be working pretty well. With so many standard and optional parts and pieces on the 10 different Ram 1500 trim packages, it is able to add a few more with some clever mixing and matching. Thankfully, the Ram engineers did more than that for the new 2015 Ram 1500 Rebel.

From our earlier look at the Ram Rebel, you probably have a good idea of what makes this vehicle special. Lots of the original chatter centered on the swooping grille and large Ram lettering stamped on the tailgate, but this truck is definitely more than just a pretty face. But before we get into how it performed during our early off-road drive in the volcanic northwestern part of Arizona, let's talk about what makes this Ram 1500 a Rebel.

What It Is

The new pickup is a trim package that takes many of the technology options available on other Ram 1500s and mixes them with some unique features and options. Rather than being something "all-new," this Rebel really is something well-tuned and optimized.

Designed to slot into the middle of Ram's half-ton lineup — between the entry-level Tradesman and top-of-the-line Laramie Limited — all Rebels will have the adjustable four-corner airbag suspension (offered as an option at every level), 33-inch Toyo Open Country all-terrain tires, the eight-speed ZF transmission and a set of heavy-duty skid plates (under the bumper and engine, front axle and transfer case). The high-performance monotube Bilstein shocks have been uniquely tuned to handle relatively harsh inputs (like you might find when running over an uneven volcanic ash field) as well as keeping things controlled when carving mountain canyons. Likewise, the front and rear sway bars have been retuned (in fact, softened) to better complement the stiffer and firmer capabilities of the shocks and airbags.

All Rebels offer an optional clutch-pack limited-slip differential and a completely unique interior that will include red anodized aluminum trim accents in the console, dash and doors. The Rebel, along with the new Laramie Limited (HD and 1500), will have the black headliner and pillars, and it will have a brand-new set of molded front seats that offer a seat bottom and seatback with the actual tread pattern of the Open Country tires that come with the truck.

With as much standard content as the new Rebel offers, there are still plenty of choices to make. In terms of powertrains, the Rebel can be ordered with either the 3.6-liter Pentastar DOHC V-6 (only with 3.92:1 gears and in 4x4) or the 5.7-liter Hemi V-8 (offered with 3.21:1 or 3.92:1 gears, in 4x2 or 4x4 drivetrains). We're told no final decision has been made to eliminate the EcoDiesel engine as a possible future option (that decision depends largely on if Fiat Chrysler Automobiles can allocate more turbo-diesel production to Ram). Finally, the Ram Rebel will be offered in five unique colors.

How It Drives

Our test vehicles for this early media drive were all preproduction units built as some of the first vehicles off the line. But we were assured that, mechanically, these vehicles were as close to production vehicles as it gets. All our Rebels were red with 3.92:1 gears, the 5.7-liter V-8 and eight-speed transmission, so they felt quite snappy off the line, even doing a decent job cruising at less than 2,000 rpm at 70 mph.

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The Toyo tires are actually the same size as the Goodyear Duratrac tires offered on the Ram Power Wagon, but that's where the similarities end. The Toyo tires are much less noisy on pavement, yet do a good job of grabbing loose gravel, sand and rock. The key feature to the Rebel's abilities rest with the air suspension that offers four different settings, each delivering a different level of ground clearance: Kneel, Aero, Normal and Off-Road.

Like all airbag suspensions, the tradeoff to adjustability comes with the fact that the higher the ride height, the firmer the suspension feels and the less wheel travel it allows. When the terrain is deeply rutted or filled with large rocks or other boulder-like obstacles, the amount of wheel travel or axle flex in the upper Off-Road position can determine whether you make it out or get stuck. Thankfully we never got stuck while driving in the Cinder Hills Off Highway Vehicle Area, but much of the terrain was loose volcanic rock similar to coarse beach sand. To give us a more contact patch on the loose rock, we let out a bit of air from the tires. That certainly helped.

The Ram Rebel's electronic push-button part-time four-wheel-drive system is identical to those offered in other Ram 1500 models, with a high-range lock, low range and two-wheel-drive mode.

The extra low-range gearing and grippy 10.5-inch-wide tires kept our truck right-side up and moving up the loose rock and rutted trails — at one point up the side of a dormant volcano. We especially liked the dedicated GPS coordinate info (four screens deep) in the UConnect multimedia/navigation system that gave us our exact location and at what altitude our truck sat, all with the help of more than 20 satellites circling the Earth (a picture on the screen shows all of them).

At higher speeds, the suspension did a good job soaking up the whoop-de-dos and dirt chop; however we did have to be hyper aware of our speed. In certain situations with certain-sized trail ruts, it was easy to overcome the airbags' and shocks' absorbing abilities and find ourselves uncomfortably off the ground and experiencing bumpy stops when crashing back onto the ground.

When navigating down the steepest part of the trail after we circumnavigated the rim of a dead volcano, we found the 1st-gear/low-range downhill crawling speed quite manageable, but we were surprised that no electronically controlled hill descent feature is available. Still, there didn't seem to be much need for it on the terrain we conquered.

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Unfortunately, the Cinder Hills off-road park doesn't offer much diversity, so we didn't get to do any technical, full-articulation type of 4x4 trails, where we would have been able to see how well the suspension travel handled hard rocks. In the areas we navigated, we found ourselves not needing more than 8 inches of ground clearance, so we spent much of our time in the more comfortable Normal suspension setting rather than use the 1-inch taller (and firmer) Off-Road setting (which can be engaged in two-wheel drive and high- and low-range, as long as you stay below 25 mph). We like the idea of having that kind of height adjustability just in case, but it seems to us the setup could also come in handy had we buried a tire or two or gotten centered on a log. We've heard some people call the four-corner air suspension an active jack.

Where It Fits

After our drive time with the new Ram Rebel, we have no doubt this is the most trail-capable and off-road-ready Ram 1500 offered, but then again the bar was not set exceptionally high. The previous Ram 1500 off-road leader was probably the Ram Outdoorsman 4x4 with all the options (air suspension, 4x4, Hemi, etc.). The Ram Rebel is clearly a better and more focused four-wheeler, but it's also a better example of a fully integrated package whose sum is greater than its parts list.

The Rebel is not nearly as extreme ready as the Power Wagon is with its sway bar disconnects, live axles and locking differentials. Nor is it set up for desert running or rock crawling like the Ford F-150 Raptor. But from what we've experienced, this new Ram Rebel is not too far underneath, and it offers a certain level of civility that neither of those two examples can match. For the small group of pickups that have off-road credibility, the Rebel seems to offer a good balance of parts and technology. What the engineers have done here is optimize a collection of available technologies to create a well-tuned and well-designed traction package that would make any backcountry explorer or remote campsite lover happy.

Although pricing will not be announced until the end of June, it is likely to hover between $45,000 and $50,000 depending on how you option the truck. Since the Rebel is new, we're guessing the marketing experts might have a bit of pricing flexibility because it is somewhat of an experimental vehicle. This is the first Ram — along with the Ram Heavy Duty Laramie Limited — to have the new face and tailgate design. Without knowing exactly how the public will respond, Ram is guessing the Rebel take in the overall Ram 1500 lineup could be around 5 or 10 percent. Of course, that's the same guess Ram had for the EcoDiesel when it was introduced; based on demand that number was bumped up to 15 and eventually 20 percent.

We'll have more on the Ram Rebel when we get to spend more quality time with it, which we think will have to be with its other off-road competitors. But for now, we are encouraged by how much work Ram engineers have done, and how well the Rebel turned out. This is clearly a new pickup that will push other truckmakers to do better.

Editor's note: This story was updated May 19 to correct information about content and features. 

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Comments

@Cummins
Nobody offroading cares about mirrors width.
There is always room at that height. Anybody offroading is most concerned about fenders width , because offroad trails are narrower at the bottom than at the mirror height and that's what Raptor fails right at the face.
Let me know, when Raptor has option to flip fenders.

These guys didn't get the memo that Raptor is not a rock crawler.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC1YneNFIqA

And this is how far you can make it in Raptor at Moab.LOL.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAhkE3eQ2tM

@Cummins
Nobody offroading cares about mirrors width.
There is always room at that height. Anybody offroading is most concerned about fenders width , because offroad trails are narrower at the bottom than at the mirror height and that's what Raptor fails right at the face.
Let me know, when Raptor has option to flip fenders.

These guys didn't get the memo that Raptor is not a rock crawler.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC1YneNFIqA

And this is how far you can make it in Raptor at Moab.LOL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAhkE3eQ2tM

@Chica

"There is always room at that height."

Nope

"Anybody offroading is most concerned about fenders width"

Funny, these guys don't seem concerned about the width of the Raptor when used as a high speed off roader like it was built for.

https://youtu.be/YXa87C9PWFM

https://youtu.be/RJxRQhpQE9I

https://youtu.be/VWPM_ndJj0I

https://youtu.be/APPlafxajm8

https://youtu.be/u8iBQ6MRzlI

Maybe these guys didn't get the memo that the Power Wagon was not a rock crawler either.

https://youtu.be/3-rxBk0P48s


Only vid I could find of a stock newer ram 1500 off road. All the vids of rams 1500 on the interwebs show them on gravel roads as there off road adventure or one that are modified with lifts and mud tires and such.... Nothing much in stock form
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg8nAnnjeac

Going where no ram has gone before!!!! Or there is no vid proof of a full size ram going through here. Heck there is no vid proof of a stock ram 1500 in Moab even!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNPJjVGdssI

@Big Al,

I do offroad in a diesel. Here are my current vehicles: http://i.imgur.com/R9nZPuP.jpg

Stay on topic people. This article is about REBEL. Nobody cares , that Raptor can't make Moab all the way.

Yes, lets talk about the Rebel.

Lets talk about the stiff ride with little articulation they said it has in "off road" mode when the suspension is at full extension.

Lets talk about the fact that it does not have lockers and only comes with a limited slip "option".

Lets talk about the fact that it doesn't even have the best approach, breakover, or departure angles even at full extension than any other half ton "off road" truck in its class.

Lets talk about how screwed you would be if you put bigger tires on this thing and an air bag popped.

Lets talk about that aluminum lower A-arm and the other aluminum suspension parts in the fifth picture and how they will supposedly corrode away just like some say the new F-150 will.

@Cummins

Lets talk about how chica's second vid in his post at the beginning of the page was a Ford organized event with there hired drone operator to vid in HD and lets not talk about how the red raptor made it up to the top of hells gate in moab..... The crack crawl in moab where his vid finishes but doesn't show the finish. Lets also not talk about how PUTC was some of the journalist invited for the off road event and posted about it..... Lets talk about this is what an offroad event is suppose to be and not some place a nissan sentra can go as your off road event to showcase your off road pickup.
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/11/2012-ford-f-150-svt-raptor-off-road-trail-test.html
Another particularly intimidating obstacle came at our lunch stop. Not only did we get to see some stunning radio-controlled helicopter acrobatics (our hosts invited them along to shoot video of us at various stops), but we got to watch a masterfully driven Raptor execute a flawless run up Hell’s Gate, a narrow wedge of rock that takes a delicate throttle and supernatural tire placement to keep from tipping over or wedging your vehicle sideways. The Raptor’s (and driver’s) performance was impressive.

Lets talk about the stiff ride with little articulation they said it has in "off road" mode when the suspension is at full extension.

Who cares. You don't drive at full extension fast anyway. It's just to get you over some boulder slowly.

Lets talk about the fact that it does not have lockers and only comes with a limited slip "option".

Nobody uses lockers at Ford, so why do you complain?

Lets talk about the fact that it doesn't even have the best approach, breakover, or departure angles even at full extension than any other half ton "off road" truck in its class.

It will still get places that no any other truck will, because of the right balance between width, axle articulation, air ride, room in front of the front wheels, 8 speed with lowest ratio , and better tires than any other offroad truck in this class.
We all know, that ford numbers doesn't mean anything. Just look at the fx4 or Raptor. It's useless.

Lets talk about how screwed you would be if you put bigger tires on this thing and an air bag popped.

I didn't get this, but is your airbag somehow connected to your bigger wheels?

Lets talk about that aluminum lower A-arm and the other aluminum suspension parts in the fifth picture and how they will supposedly corrode away just like some say the new F-150 will.

I am not worry about corrosion at the parts I don't see, but I replaced them with aftermarket steel ones anyway. Something you can't do with aluminium f150. Can you?

"Who cares. You don't drive at full extension fast anyway. It's just to get you over some boulder slowly."

Stiff suspension means less articulation and less suspension travel which you were bragging about in another thread.

"Nobody uses lockers at Ford, so why do you complain?"

So you interviewed every Ford owner int the US and Canada to know this? You never interviewed me because I would have told you that i have used it on multiple occasions. If you are going to label something as "off road" then it better have a locker in today's market or you are behind the times.

"It will still get places that no any other truck will, because of the right balance between width, axle articulation, air ride, room in front of the front wheels, 8 speed with lowest ratio , and better tires than any other offroad truck in this class."

False, False, and opinion. It will NOT take you anywhere no other truck will with limited slip. The balance of width depends on what you use it for. The articulation is limited due to the stiffness of the suspension at full extension. Air ride is not the best off road. You don't even have the specs to know it has more room in the front wheels. An 8 speed does mean it is better, hint: look how badly the 6 speed 3.5L Ecoboost beat the 8 speed Hemi. Better tires is of an opinion and depends on the terrain.


"We all know, that ford numbers doesn't mean anything. Just look at the fx4 or Raptor. It's useles"

Another opinion, although I thought you said we were only talking about the Rebel? Hmmmmm?


"I didn't get this, but is your airbag somehow connected to your bigger wheels?"

If the airbag popped while articulated(with what little articulation you got) then say bye bye to your tire and/or fender.

"I am not worry about corrosion at the parts I don't see, but I replaced them with aftermarket steel ones anyway."

Really? So the parts that Ram gives are so bad that you have to replace them? Wow.....

@Scott
Who cares, if some professional offroad driver drives Raptor at Moab and everybody is at passenger seat or just watching from outside and taking pictures. I want to see those pictures with scraped panels, bumpers and undercarriage. Ford must have delete all the pictures from any camera. Let's talk about first generation Raptor and their engineering fiasco with bent frames, which they fixed, kind of at generation 2. They forgot to test that before production, like they didn't test ecoboost in the rain.


The hood on that truck is aluminum as well. Are you going to replace that too? LOL

Stay on topic people. This article is about REBEL. Nobody cares , that Raptor can't make Moab all the way.


Posted by: Ciciacik | May 20, 2015 10:28:20 PM


I THOUGHT WE WERE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE REBEL. WHY ARE YOU GOING OFF TOPIC AGAIN TALKING ABOUT THE RAPTOR?

Stiff suspension means less articulation and less suspension travel which you were bragging about in another thread.

Yes, and ford rear suspension is even stiffer than last generation, leafs are shortened and articulation is even smaller than last generation. But you can load new aluminium fx4 with 2000lbs to get better articulation and softer ride, but I don't thing you will go anywhere offroad with that weight and you won't make it even across a curb.

Really? So the parts that Ram gives are so bad that you have to replace them? Wow.....

Yes I replace my lower arms with ball joints at 150 000 clicks and some offroad even I didn't have to. I own the truck. I don't lease like ford owners do. I do make a lot of kms every year. I have bilstein shocks as well. I like all the mechanic components like new. I can write it off right away.

I have seen new f150 commercial.
" You can get new truck every two years, not like other guys" LOL.
What happened to own truck and use it to full potential and get a hell of it before it goes to scrap yard or sell it after 8 years for 7 ground and use it to make some money ?
Ford is targeting losers with no money but most needs.

Anyhow, Rebel will sell well, if pricing is aggressive. It has more use than any other half ton truck and it's unique , no generic design. Ford and GM is boring . Really just boring. Nobody even knows, which one is steel and which one is aluminium. It's just boring like prius.
I like Rebel a lot and if pricing is right I might trade in my Laramie.
Non of you is gonna buy it, so why do you bother.
You drive high end RAM already. Not for offroad, but still...

@ chica
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywZuk3Hjstg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JalnYnfWH0I

Here is the wet rock climb you posted earlier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_0Xsv7BEhc
Same climb with a truck that has factory tires
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKllVS30IHA

Now your turn to post a bone stock ram 1500 off road... I posted one earlier.

See true offloads don't want the air suspension cause in off road mode is the tallest you are going to get..... There is no lift kit for the air suspension.... You can get a body lift of 3 inches but you can't get a much improved aftermarket suspension for an air ride. The off roaders that are ram fans will buy a non air suspension ram and put a BDS lift or something like that on it so they can get better suspension flex and such for off road. The posers are going to buy the rebel and drive around on the pavement at 25 mph less so they can be in off road mode instead of lowrider mode.

@Scott
I am not going to watch those videos, because it would be wasting time for me. You are wrong about air ride.
Air ride gives you better articulation even with empty truck, because it can be softer. Ford can't have softer leafs, because if loaded, it would be on the knees. That's why ford doesn't have more axle articulation than RAM when empty offroading.
RAM air ride has better articulation than any ford empty and loaded, because it will adjust progressively, something ford can't do and needs to be calibrated for maximum payload?
That's why ford rear suspension is stiffer than Rebels one.
Did you get it?
So let me now, when ford has air ride or 8 speed and we can talk about this again. Air ride is not even in talk for ford yet and 8 speed is 2 years away. At least. Multilink rear suspension is something ford can only dream of.
Rebel will sell very well and ford doesn't have any competition for that and won't have any for very long time.

"Yes, and ford rear suspension is even stiffer than last generation, leafs are shortened and articulation is even smaller than last generation..... "


Okay so show me the numbers then. Show me a video or a review like this one where they said the FX4s suspension was too stiff off road. Let's see it to back your claim because I know you have never driven one so we cannot take your word for it.


"Yes I replace my lower arms with ball joints at 150 000 clicks and some offroad......."

Wow, so you are admitting the stock Ram parts are not good enough and need to be replaced. How about the hood. You gonna replace that too since it is aluminum?


"Non of you is gonna buy it, so why do you bother."

You will never buy a Ford or Chevy yet I see you bashing them all the time even when nobody said anything bad about a Ram. So why do you bother?


"You drive high end RAM already. Not for offroad, but still..."

My Cummins wrapped in a Ram is made for towing my 12k RV, not for off roading especially with its Torsen gear style limited slip. When I go off road then I would take my F150 since it has a locker and us better off road. I also would never buy a Ram 1500 because I think their half tons are weak and for people who want a car/truck hybrid. Hell, not one of them has a GVWR of over 7,000 lbs.

@Cummins
What's the maximum payload for fx4?
That's what rear leaf springs are calibrated for even when empty, they are shorter than last year model to prevent axle wrap. There goes your fx4 articulation when offroading empty.
Rebel has air ride and it will get maximum articulation even when empty, because air pressure will calibrate for empty truck, not for maximum payload like fx4 must be done.
That's one of many advantages of multilink rear suspension with air ride over leafs.
You don't have to know a rocket science to get this. I guess, but who knows.
Stop watching videos and start thinking.

"That's why ford rear suspension is stiffer than Rebels one."


Really, show me the deflection and spring rates. Link where you got these nunbers.


"RAM air ride has better articulation than any ford empty and loaded, because it will adjust progressively...."

Funny because the article you are saying this in says they are stiff a full ride height. If you say they have more articulation then what are the wheel travel numbers? Please show the info you have to allow you to say this.


"So let me now, when ford has air ride or 8 speed and we can talk about this again. Air ride is not even in talk for ford yet and 8 speed is 2 years away. At least. Multilink rear suspension is something ford can only dream of."

Ford will probably never put a linear coil spring suspension on the F150 because they are trucks, not cars. I would never buy one if they did so why would they dream of doing it if it is a bad idea.

Tell me when the Rebel will have a locker.

Tell me when the Rebel will have a better approach angle.

Tell me when the Rebel will have a better departure angle.

Tell me when the Rebel will have a better break over angle.

Tell me when the Rebel 8 speed Hemi will be able to outperform an FX4 6 speed 3.5L Ecoboost.

Tell me when Rams 8 speeds will be rated to tow more than their 6 speed transmissions that you talk so little about. If the 8 speed is that much better then why is it not rated to tow more?

Tell me Ram has a half ton rated to tow more that 11,000 lbs like Ford and GM.

Tell me when Ram has a half ton that will have a GVWR higher than 7,000 lbs like Ford and GM do or a payload greater that 2,000 lbs like Ford and GM do.

Then we will talk. If you wanna keep going at this then I can keep going.

@ chica

Articulation is just the product of travel. Your travel is limited by shock length and bump stop. You could stick a knife the air bags on a ram and it is going have just as much articulation as the wheel will drop out just as far and tuck up just as far. Just because your articulation your shocks only have so much travel.

Put your ram air suspension on a lift and lift the wheels off the ground and that is droop travel.... your droop travel won't become more if you put your suspension mode in offroad as your airbags and shocks only have so much travel before you bottom your shocks or rip your airbags

Not sure who told you your articulation increases with adding air but they are really leading you in an incorrect direction.

Also on your air suspension you can get different length links and it confuses your computer into thinking that is in normal mode when if off road..... But the problem is if going into off road mode 2 you will get an "over travel" warning in mode 2 and won't let you. The ram rebel suspension is identical to the regular ram air suspension.... Nothing special about it other then Normal mode in the rebel is offroad 1 mode in the normal. And offroad mode in the rebel is just offered mode 2.

So if you add these air suspension lift links to a rebel you will get an over travel warning and the computer won't let you to prevent it from damaging the air suspension.

The forums are loaded with ram people that ditch there air suspension for aftermarket lifted suspensions.... Cause everything is the same and everything for a normal ram lift will mount up on a air suspension truck once all the airbags are moved.... Most just leave the compressor and tanks. The only thing that would be a nuisance is in the EVIC you get a "service air suspension" message.

But again I extend my offer to you in showing me a vid of a stock air suspension 1500. Or you can just avoid it cause people don't take air suspension rams off road cause there not made for it.

"That's what rear leaf springs are calibrated for even when empty, they are shorter than last year model to prevent axle wrap. There goes your fx4 articulation when offroading empty. "


You didn't answer the question. If you are saying that they are stiffer then show they proof you have of the spring rates and deflection rates. I want to see numbers and the links you got this info from. Either put up or shut up.

"There goes your fx4 articulation when offroading empty. 
Rebel has air ride and it will get maximum articulation even when empty, because air pressure will calibrate for empty truck, not for maximum payload like fx4 must be done."


Again, show me the wheel travel numbers. Show me the articulation numbers and where you got them. Put up or shut up.

Rebel HEMI 8 speed outperforms ecoboost all the time. My HEMI 5 speed outperforms 3.5 ecoboost all the time.
Without power braking. That's what everyone does when driving.
Power Braking is for ford owners to overcome turbolag at racing straight line on empty road or for useless tests. I didn't see anybody to use Power Braking yet. It would be too funny and embarrassing.
Multilink rear suspension is better than 100 years old leafs. Leafs are cheap and easier to install, but that's not what I am after. I like it safer on road and offroad. I might install rear air ride from Firestone, direct OEM kit and be done with that. Simply remove coils and install air ride with air tank, compressor and valve switches, or maybe I'll buy Rebel instead.
I can't wait for pricing.

Forum thread on lifting an air suspension. Install these links and your ram won't go in mode 2 due to over travel the suspension system such as air bags and shocks. People that want to run 35's are doing body lifts cause there isn't really enough room in the air suspension to lift the truck. Or they are scrapping and taking out the air system and getting new coils and shocks.
The air suspension is for the on road crowd that wants to look tough.
http://www.ram1500diesel.com/forum/ram-1500-diesel-suspension-chassis/4951-adjustable-air-ride-lift-links-2.html

Also the designer of the ram runner aftermarket kit laid it out for everyone and was kind of like Nostradamus of the future of Rams efforts in this statement.... Ram delivered exactly what this guy said they wanted.... Shocks and stickers!!!

http://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/ram-runner-developer-calls-chrysler-out-for-half-assed-1558444887
Getting in the arena takes strong leaders who are willing to take risks. I had a bunch of meetings in Detroit about production Ramrunner possibilities and all the Head Shed kept asking was, "couldn't we get away with a moderate shock and sticker package?"

Forum thread on lifting an air suspension. Install these links and your ram won't go in mode 2 due to over travel the suspension system such as air bags and shocks. People that want to run 35's are doing body lifts cause there isn't really enough room in the air suspension to lift the truck. Or they are scrapping and taking out the air system and getting new coils and shocks.
The air suspension is for the on road crowd that wants to look tough.
http://www.ram1500diesel.com/forum/ram-1500-diesel-suspension-chassis/4951-adjustable-air-ride-lift-links-2.html

Also the designer of the ram runner aftermarket kit laid it out for everyone and was kind of like Nostradamus of the future of Rams efforts in this statement.... Ram delivered exactly what this guy said they wanted.... Shocks and stickers!!!

http://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/ram-runner-developer-calls-chrysler-out-for-half-assed-1558444887
Getting in the arena takes strong leaders who are willing to take risks. I had a bunch of meetings in Detroit about production Ramrunner possibilities and all the Head Shed kept asking was, "couldn't we get away with a moderate shock and sticker package?"

If somebody from RAM reads this blog, please take Rebel with air ride and new Fx4 and make same test like you did with one ton trucks for frame stiffness where ford failed miserably and see if RAM's wheels stays at the road when twisted and if fx4's wheels will be off the road and how much, so we can see their articulation when empty , not loaded , but empty, because some ford fanboys doesn't have argument, don't know to think and needs to see number's, even ford didn't post any yet.


four wheeler has the rti numbers on a 30 ramp

ram air suspension=194
Chevy z71=508
tundra=549
2015 f150 they haven't tested

@Scott
That's not what I asked for. First of all, it must be Rebel, which has smaller diameter of sway bar than regular RAM and I was Specifically talking about rear Multilink Suspension. Front is just about the same, because the same engine weight.
They could use forklift just for rear axle to see how high they lift one wheel before second one gets of the ground with empty truck.

RAM 1500 with Multilink and Coils won over 2015 F150 with leafs in RTI TEST.
Power Wagon is a King if you are after RTI.

http://www.edmunds.com/ram/1500/2014/long-term-road-test/2014-ram-1500-ecodiesel-suspension-articulation-and-ramp-travel-index.html

@Scott
That's not what I asked for. First of all, it must be Rebel, which has smaller diameter of sway bar than regular RAM and I was Specifically talking about rear Multilink Suspension. Front is just about the same, because the same engine weight.
They could use forklift just for rear axle to see how high they lift one wheel before second one gets of the ground with empty truck.

That is what you asked for.... Rti measures wheel travel and the edmunds measured a non air suspension ram. Only ones to measure an air suspension ram is four wheeler.... In offroad mode it goes a 194 on a ramp. Airbags limit travel and you can't gain travel without putting longer shocks and in an air bag suspension you would need longer bags.

@Scott
Show me air ride RTI numbers for Rebel.
My RAM 1500 has better RTI than 2015 F150 something you were arguing all over and over again. So we cleared this questionand we know, that new F150 has worse RTI than RAM 1500 with multilink and coils.
You should know, that air suspension set to high mode helps clearance, but it degrades articulation. So to measure RTI at highest settings is stupid request.

So you agree the air suspension ram reduces suspension articulation in offroad mode compared to a normal suspension ram????

So you agree the air suspension ram reduces suspension articulation in offroad mode compared to a normal suspension ram????

@Scott
No, because we are discussing Rebel articulation in here which we don't have numbers for yet.
What we have numbers for is that RAM 1500 with multilink and coils has better articulation than New F150. LOL. I was right again.

@scott

He will not let up even if you provide the numbers proving him incorrect.

The air suspension on the 2013 Ram Outdoorsman in the Fourwheeler.com article that only got an RTI of 194 is more than likely the same as what is on this Rebel. However he will not admit that because he will mean what is saying is incorrect and that his fovorite brand in not better at something else.

Here is what we know about this Rebel versus and FX4 regarding their off road abilities.

The FX4 has a greater approach angle than the Rebel.

The FX4 has a greater break over angle than the Rebel.

The FX4 has a greater departure angle than the Rebel.

The suspension on the FX4 generally has greater articulation than the air bag suspension found on the Rebel.

The locking differential found on the FX4 are better off road than limited slip differentials.

The FX4 has hill descent will the Rebel does not.

The FX4 has higher payload and towing capabilities than the Rebel.

The 6 speed and 3.5L Ecoboost that can be optioned in the 2015 FX4 has been proven to outperform the 8 speed and 5.7L Hemi found in the Rebel while getting better fuel mileage.

The Rebel has a higher crawl ratio than the FX4.

The Rebel more than likely has a smoother ride on road than the FX4.

So basically with the Rebel you has less off road angles, less articulation, less traction differential, less capabilities, no hill descent, and less performance numbers than an FX4. The plus side to the Rebel is that you get a slightly higher crawl ratio and a smoother ride on road.

Cummins, Scott - don't waste your time. Can you have a logical discussion with a Taliban or ISIL member? Ciciak is no different.

"He will not let up even if you provide the numbers proving him incorrect.

The air suspension on the 2013 Ram Outdoorsman in the Fourwheeler.com article that only got an RTI of 194 is more than likely the same as what is on this Rebel. However he will not admit that because he will mean what is saying is incorrect and that his fovorite brand in not better at something else."

Posted by: Cummins | May 21, 2015 12:25:01 PM

Your assumptions and reading skills are terrible or you constantly lie. Let me explain to you last time for free.

They tested this 2013 Outdorsman with air ride not at 20 Degree Ramp like your beloved 2015 Ford F150 and all the other trucks , but at 30 Degree Ramp, which is a huge difference and on top of that they test Outdosman at Settings Offroad 2.


Outdosman with air ride with regular setting will have same RTI like all models with coils, which is better than New Aluminium 2015 F150. Don't forget, that Rebel has on top of that lighter sway bars for even better articulation.

http://www.edmunds.com/ram/1500/2014/long-term-road-test/2014-ram-1500-ecodiesel-suspension-articulation-and-ramp-travel-index.html

Check it by yourself and make some comments . Don't forget to post some numbers, not your assumptions this time.

@Lou
You are lost

The air suspension won't articulate like a ram non air suspension... Plus when you need all the ground clearance of offroad mode you will also need all the articulation you need which is a pathetic 194 on a 30 degree ramp. If you lower your suspension you will high center and get stuck cause then you have no clearance and very poor approach and departure angles. Then with all the adjusting to go offroad you suspension will overheat and quit working

That is why there are no vids of ram 1500's multi links off road unless they are modified. All sorts of f150 vids in Moab and such.

@Scott
Do you have any RTI numbers for 20 Degree Ramp, not 30 Degree for 2013 Outdosman with air ride and standard settings and not Offroad 2 settings?
No? So what are you talking about. You have no any relevant numbers, only that My RAM 1500 with coils beats New 2015 F150 in RTI.
You are grasping at straw with no any numbers. I proved you wrong about articulation and you will still post some assumptions nobody cares about.


Again, show me the wheel travel numbers. Show me the articulation numbers and where you got them. Put up or shut up.

Posted by: Cummins | May 21, 2015 12:35:05 AM

194 rti on air suspension. Four wheeler has it. Chevy over 500.... On the same ramp. Trd pro tundra even more.

If you don't have an air suspension you have horrible approach break over and departure angles. But you might flex a point or 2 more then a 2015 f150 but you won't be able to even go where the f150 would with Rams bad approach and departure and break over angles.

@Scott
Like I said you are grasping at straw. You don't have any numbers for regular air ride settings just Offroad 2, which is great for clearance , but it degrades articulation.
On top of that, you don't have any numbers for 20 degree ramp just 30 degree one, but you don't hesitate to mix them. Are you for real?

Again, show me the wheel travel numbers. Show me the articulation numbers for 20 degree ramp and where you got them. Show me thise numbers for Rebel. Put up or shut up.
Posted by: Cummins | May 21, 2015 12:35:05 AM

What we only know so far is, that RAM 1500 with coils beats New 2015 Ford F150 in RTI. Anything else is assumption.

We know that the ram non air has 3 point better rti the ford but way worse approach, departure and break over angle.

We also know the ram air suspension does 194 rti in offroad mode.... If not in offroad mode your clearances and angles are horrible.

We also know Nissan sentra's can play in the same terrain that ram debuts there rebel.

@Zver

"They tested this 2013 Outdorsman with air ride not at 20 Degree Ramp like your beloved 2015 Ford F150 and all the other trucks , but at 30 Degree Ramp, which is a huge difference and on top of that they test Outdosman at Settings Offroad 2"

2012 F150 FX4 with an RTI of 324 on a 30 degree ramp

So what do you have to say now?

" Don't forget, that Rebel has on top of that lighter sway bars for even better articulation."

It is not the thickness or lightness that affect articulation. It is the length. I am surprised that an off road guru like yourself did not know that. Then again, this is coming from the same person who thinks limited slip diffs are better off road than lockers.


Here is what we know about this Rebel versus and FX4 regarding their off road abilities.

The FX4 has a greater approach angle than the Rebel.

The FX4 has a greater break over angle than the Rebel.

The FX4 has a greater departure angle than the Rebel.

The suspension on the FX4 generally has greater articulation than the air bag suspension found on the Rebel.

The locking differential found on the FX4 are better off road than limited slip differentials.

The FX4 has hill descent will the Rebel does not.

The FX4 has higher payload and towing capabilities than the Rebel.

The 6 speed and 3.5L Ecoboost that can be optioned in the 2015 FX4 has been proven to outperform the 8 speed and 5.7L Hemi found in the Rebel while getting better fuel mileage.

The Rebel has a higher crawl ratio than the FX4.

The Rebel more than likely has a smoother ride on road than the FX4.

So basically with the Rebel you has less off road angles, less articulation, less traction differential, less capabilities, no hill descent, and less performance numbers than an FX4. The plus side to the Rebel is that you get a slightly higher crawl ratio and a smoother ride on road.

@Scott
We know , that 2013 Outdosman with air ride and Offroad settings at #2 at 30 Degree Ramp, not 20 Degree Ramp has RTI 194.
It's not relevant to the Rebel with air ride, lighter sway bar, in normal air ride position not Offroad 2 at the 20 Degree Ramp.
So what are you trying to say? That My RAM 1500 has better RTI than New 2015 F150? You can spin your assumptions any way you want, but you don't have any relevant numbers for Rebel. I have numbers for RAM 1500 and New 2015 F150. RAM won.

Again, show me the wheel travel numbers. Show me the articulation numbers for 20 degree ramp and where you got them. Show me this numbers for Rebel with regular settings , not Offroad 2.
Put up or shut up.
Posted by: Cummins | May 21, 2015 12:35:05 AM


Offroad 2 in an outdoorsman is offroad 1 in a rebel. Offroad 1 in an outdoorsman is normal in a rebel..... Per fourwheeler's review of rebel. Also per fourwheeler's review the suspension travel is the same between a rebel and a regular ram air suspension.

A non air suspension ram has 3 points difference from the ford on a 20 ramp.... But the ram has way worse ground clearance and approach, departure, and break over angles. You will bottom out in your ram and get stuck while the ford with superior ground clearance, and offroad angles will keep going cause it won't bottom out like the ram!!!

@Scott
You can go on and on about not related assumptions backed with no any numbers.
The true is, my RAM 1500 with coils has better RTI than New 2015 F150.


Per the owners manual, "Off Road mode 1" raises the truck one inch which which is identical to the height of the Rebel on "Normal mode". "Off Road mode 2" raises the truck 2 inches which the Rebels "Off Road" does so the 2013 Ram Outdoorsman in "Off Road mode 2" is the same as the Rebel being in "Off Road mode". The lady from fram explains that at 3:23 of the video.....https://youtu.be/zCXE9L3Vd6U?t=3m23s

And even your precious Allpar says it......

"This system still has varying adjustable settings, including an Aero mode, a loading mode, and an off-road mode [see ride-height specs], but those familiar with the adjustable air suspension in other current Rams will recognize the stock ride height of the Rebel to being similar to the height of other 1500 Ram trucks in Off-Road 1 mode. This is about an inch higher than normal, but those who need more ground clearance can opt for an Off-Road mode that lifts the truck another inch (similar to the Off-Road 2 setting in other Ram trucks) and this height can be used to speeds up to 25 miles per hour."

@Cummins
So you were wrong about RTI numbers, because you mixed them badly and now you try to talk about something not related again?


Again, show me the wheel travel numbers. Show me the articulation numbers for 20 degree ramp and where you got them. Show me this numbers for Rebel with regular settings , not Offroad 2 .
Put up or shut up.
Posted by: Cummins | May 21, 2015 12:35:05 AM

@zver
So you agree that the ram with coils suffers from worse approach, departure angles, and break over angles. Also fourwheeler said that the rebel suspension is the same as the regular air.

Chica was argueing how offroad mode increase articulation a few post back and then you bring out the numbers to prove it wrong so his recourse is to change his name and argue that you can't offroad in offroad mode cause you need more articulation of the normal mode in the rebel which has been proven as offroad mode of the non rebel mode which rti at a whopping 194. Lol

You can't even make this up!!!? Lol



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