2015 Ram 1500 Rebel: What Do You Want to Know?

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If you like new pickup trucks, this is a great time to be alive. Not only is the new 2015 Ford F-150 in full production at two plants, but just about every other truckmaker is experiencing strong profits. In fact, the only pickups not doing well are the Nissan Titan and Honda Ridgeline, both of which are getting huge redesigns later this year — so no surprise there.

We're confident we'll be getting behind the wheel of both of those new trucks pretty soon, as well as the new Toyota Tacoma, the baby-Duramax-equipped Chevrolet Colorado and the newly packaged 2015 Ram Rebel. This new Ram 1500 (the 10th in the lineup) is equipped with all sorts of special technology (air suspension, 33-inch tires, unique grille and tailgate, available RamBox, two gas engine choices and more), but packaged in a way that should make outdoor-loving, adventure-minded pickup enthusiasts curious. We can't wait to put it through some punishing and challenging tests.

We'll be driving the new Ram Rebel in the next few weeks and want to give you an opportunity to share what you want to know about the truck for our upcoming video and stories. Things like how does it respond in four-wheel drive? Are there any unique technologies? How does it compare to a Ford Raptor or a Ram Power Wagon? Is there anything special about the interior?

You give us your thoughts and questions, and we'll do the digging when we get access to the engineers and take the truck out on the road and nasty backcountry trails. Leave your comments below.

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Comments

Nothing is coming from ram.... Cafe, EPA, and fiat dismal profits are the reason all ram fans get is big letters plastered across the tailgate and an ugly grill.

@Scott
Have a nice day.

Why no diesel option?

@Cummins
Locking differentials(like what Ford, Chevy, GMC, Nissan, and Toyota have) are far better off road than limited slip differentials (like what is in the Rebel) and that is a fact.
Posted by: Cummins | May 10, 2015 4:25:33 PM

That's just your opinion and not a fact. This is not pure offroad only truck, nor fx4 or toyota is pure offroad truck and I wouldn't want to have locker instead of limited slip, because limited slip has much more advantages than locker, which you can't use on dry, wet, icy , snowy daily driving roads,like limited slip is used without any driver input.

RAM did the right decision in here and I am happy they didn't use locker, because it's useless for all Fx4 drivers, who doesn't go rock climbing, which is 99.999% of them.
That switch has never been used in any Fx4 and if it does, the tires are burned quickly and driver is asking everybody why he smells that burned rubber.
Like my best friend "Jurij", the trainer who trains with his Raptor he sold 3 years ago, driving in part time mode at dry road , who is technically challenged and Raptor didn't have auto mode transfer case at that point yet.
That switch looks just too cool at dash board, but it's useless.
Limited slip is going to be used every day all the time, any road , any conditions.
This Rebel will make it anywhere Fx4 will and some more in OEM configuration, so yes RAM has no competition for Rebel.

Nothing on the drive train. I feel you will cover that pretty well. All my questions center around the interior. How do the seats feel with the tire tread embossed in them. How's The red material for the back of the seats, looks like a cheap vinyl. Does the new smart phone pocket work well? Any news if the truck might come equipped with android auto?

So, basically this is rams equivalent to the FX4 and the Z71?

@Cummins
I didn't say that Rebel is just for street use. It's just your assumption.
I said that limited slip
is much better choice for Rebel than locker and it would be much better choice for fx4 than locker, because 99.999% of people never used that switch, but would benefit from limited slip every day, any road, any conditions.
Rebel is not just pure rock crawling offroad, nor Fx4, or Toyota.
Rebel will get anywhere fx4 will and some more and that's what I want PUTC to test it for. Get Fx4 please and test it with Rebel to the limits, so we see where each of them will fail.
It's legit request and we can put our fight to the rest then.

I am assuming Rebel will make it to more places and faster, because of extra clearance, better tires, approaching angle, 2 snorkels at the hood scoops, 8 speed with lower gears, air ride instead of short leafs and rear axle suspension with better articulation.


So, basically this is rams equivalent to the FX4 and the Z71?
Posted by: tailhook44 | May 10, 2015 5:52:23 PM

No, because Fx4 doesn't have clearance Rebel does, aggressive tires, air ride, multilink rear suspension, hood snorkel scoops, 8speed, powder coated bumpers, steel body....

@papa jim,
Interest rates and inflation can rise at the same time.

I can sight many instances when this occurs.

The US isn't in a "normal" situation economically or finacially. It's had a massive injection of cash into the economy, ie, QE.

This changes pretty much all.

@Cummins
"Locking differentials(like what Ford, Chevy, GMC, Nissan, and Toyota have) are far better off road than open differentials or even limited slip differentials (like what is in the Rebel) and that is a fact, NOT bashing. Unlike the this Rebel where the limited slip is an OPTION the Ford FX4, Chevy/GMC Z71, and Nissan Pro-4X have lockers standard with the package. Lockers extend the capabilities of the truck far better than limited slip that wears out over time. Why Ram didn't have this supposedly off road Rebel come standard with lockers is beyond me."
If one thinks that an LSD will out do a locker then they either are not experienced off road or the are trying to fool themselves.

Posted by: Cummins | May 10, 2015 9:48:42 PM

We are not talking about open differential in here, but locker and limited slip.
You can't use therm offroading widely, because I disagree, that locker is better than limited slip, which actually loks too, depends on design and manufacturer.
It all depends, what offroading consists of. You mentioned rock climbing.
99.999% of Fx4 customers with locker never used that switch, because the don't go rock climbing with their Fx4. There are different home made trucks and Jeeps for this purpose, so your argument is moot.
Lockers wear out too and they break too. RAM made better decisions with much more useful limited slip.


@Cummins,
The locking diffs are options on all US pickups.

The FX4 Package is an options package that jacks up the price of the pickup substantially.

Big Al, the QE money has been sitting on the sidelines fattening Wall Streets balance sheets and little more.

Rising interest rates strengthen the currency. Stronger dollars reduce inflation, everywhere and always. Your remarks about economics betray the fool you are.

@papa jim,
Not always.

Rising interest rates do prop up currencies, I do agree.

But, sometimes propping up currencies via interest rates doesn't maintain the value. The currency still drops.

Even here in Australia, they just reduced interest rates, this was supposed to reduce our currency's value. This didn't occur.

Or maybe the currency was undervalued.

An extreme case of interest rates not able to maintain currency value is countries like Zimbabwe.

We are not immune to these types of situations.

As time goes by and many nations become more affluent increases pressure on our currencies.

The US dollar used to be basically the only reserve currency.

The EU introduced the Euro, this has become a reserve currency.

Canada and Australia has commodity and reserve value in our currencies. This has helped us through the financial crisis. All of our economic growth wasn't just attributed to commodities themselves, but the financial instruments that supported the investments.

Its a package that has some real substance to it with the engine choices and suspension adjustments and ram box which should have some appeal to the offroady/outdoorsy crowd which admitidily is a small group of truck buyers. I like that its not just another wheel/monochromatic/embroidered seats/"unique" grille treatment package. The absence of a locking diff is a huge negative though. All this emphasis on ground clearance and off road suspension and angles of approach/departure and forget about locking up the rear when all that stuff becomes relevant. That is something of a suckerpunch to the guts. The other wild card here is price (I didn't see it listed). We all know it already cheaper than the Raptor or Power Wagon. A sort of poor man's / economy / poser version of those 2 off road beasts. That's not a bad thing for Fiat since those are even smaller crowds to market too. If its priced right it should meet Fiat's sales projections.

No, a limited slip isn't the same as a locker. But a locker sucks on the road because you can't use it unless you're in low range. So you end up driving on an open differential in snow and in slippery offroad conditions at moderate speeds, whereas with a limited slip you're still getting some assistance from both wheels.

Each have pluses and minuses.

I'm glad to see the 3.92 ratio offered even with the Pentastar...though I'd still go Hemi.

Where is the BW 44-44 transfer case for the 3.6 V6?
That is a glaring omission in the Ram lineup.

Locker sucks on the road because you can't use it unless you're in low range. So you end up driving on an open differential in snow and in slippery offroad conditions at moderate speeds, whereas with a limited slip you're still getting some assistance from both wheels.

Each have pluses and minuses.

I'm glad to see the 3.92 ratio offered even with the Pentastar...though I'd still go Hemi.
Posted by: WXman | May 11, 2015 8:41:01 AM

Very well said in short version .
I am glad Rebel got Limited slip option and not locker.
3.92 is great too for this truck.
This could be more successful than Raptor if they pull right pricing and wouldn't cost them anything extra to develop.
I might trade in my Laramie for strip down version with Limited Slip option and HEMI because of Auto mode transfer case I want again.
I don't think that PUTC will test it the way this truck deserve, because they have to return it without any scratch.
I'll wait patiently for their next article.

The gm locker is automatic. Fords is a button. You don't need to be in low range for either to work. Not sure about gm's fords locking diff if you have it activated with stay locked until around 25 mph and then unlocks.... Slow down to under 20 mph or so and it will lock. I believe in 4wd it will stay locked longer. On the raptor you can hit the offroad button and the locker will stay locked to the top speed governor.

All you have to do is watch this vid to see why locking diff is far superior to limited slip diffs. To argue otherwise is just being stupid....
http://youtu.be/xdND6o9Vsqo

All you have to do is watch this vid to see why locking diff is far superior to limited slip diffs. To argue otherwise is just being stupid....
http://youtu.be/xdND6o9Vsqo

Posted by: Scott | May 11, 2015 11:55:53 AM

It all depends which design , which manufacturer and what use you want to compare, so you can't say in general that locker is better than limited slip, because it's not. Nobody who drives Fx4 with locker ever used that dash board switch more than once, when he find out how useless it is.

Your argument is moot.

Chica
In the test you propose PUTC perform a true locker would out perform a limited slip. Offroad test a locker is better. Not sure how you can argue that.

@Scott
Which test ? Could you be more specific please?

Chica
Anything offroad you want to test. A locking diff will out perform a limited slip. Limited slip is more user friendly on the highway. Don't think in the history of the Internet has anyone argued a limited slip is better then a locker.

Chica
Anything offroad you want to test. A locking diff will out perform a limited slip. Limited slip is more user friendly on the highway. Don't think in the history of the Internet has anyone argued a limited slip is better then a locker.


Posted by: Scott | May 11, 2015 1:18:35 PM

I want to test it at offroad course made of mud, ice , 10" snow, 20" deep creek , gravel, rock climbing, forestry road .

Let's test Fx4 with locker and Rebel with Limited Slip and see which one is faster at this course and outperforms the other.
I bet Rebel with Limited Slip will win.

Fiat ram better tell fiat jeep they need to get rid of factory lockers cause the limited slip is better.

Rams limited slip isn't even a torsen system so with the ram a tire leaves the ground it's stuck. Ram rebel rear diff clearance is the same as ford and slightly less then the gm. It's the same rear end as the rest of the ram 1500,s

Fx4 has hill descent control, locker, less then an inch smaller tire diameter, better departure angle, slightly worse approach angle compared to the ram rebel.

Toyota trd pro would beat all of them.

Correction to my above post I was using 2014 data for the ford. Ford 2015 the ford increased its approach and departure angles as well as break over angles and clearances.

Ford F-150 has the rebel beat in each of these measurements.

Rams limited slip isn't even a torsen system so with the ram a tire leaves the ground it's stuck. Ram rebel rear diff clearance is the same as ford and slightly less then the gm. It's the same rear end as the rest of the ram 1500,s

Fx4 has hill descent control, locker, less then an inch smaller tire diameter, better departure angle, slightly worse approach angle compared to the ram rebel.

Toyota trd pro would beat all of them.
Posted by: Scott | May 11, 2015 2:32:30 PM

No. This Rebel has traction control , so it won't get stuck with one wheel in the air.
Fx4 won't make it places where Rebel will.

Why don't you support me to ask PUTC to perform this course test, but will go on and on about locker ? I will tell you
why. You are worry Rebel would outperform Fx4.
Aluminium Fx4 wouldn't even make it across that deep creek. It will swim out, because it doesn't have clearance Rebel does, doesn't have grip Rebel does and it's lighter.

Ford has better departure approach angles and break over angles. Also the Rams diff is lower then the fords that get hung up.

Also wheel spin in mud and snow and dirt hill climbs is desirable in offroad situations, cleans the tires out, keeps momentum up, keeps clawing and grabbing as your tires spin. So with your traction control enabled to get your limited slip to bite your engine would be cutting power, and the truck would be applying brakes to stop wheel spin in turn losing speed and momentum. Having traction control enabled offroad is a bad idea.

@Scott,
Do you homework.

Or you will not get cookies before bed.

Don't forget to brush your teeth.

@Scott
Non of it sticks. It's jut your assumptions. Source?

Why don't you support me to perform this course test by PUTC?


Go to the specs and exterior to see angles and clearances
http://m.ford.com/content/MobileFord/trucks/f150/2015/specifications.html

Ram rebel measurements compared to previous generation competition
http://www.allpar.com/trucks/ram/rebel.html

Also another thing on the rebel the offroad suspension setting is limited to 25mph and automatically lowers, and at 60 mph it goes into aero mode which is really low. It's all automatic.

Also in deep snow and mud and hill climb for speed traction control is desirable in an offroad situation..... If you go to ram forums they are looking how to disable it. There is a procedure to limit it in the owners manual but no way to disable it on a ram. In the forums the are pulling fuses and wiring in switches and buy programmers to try and disable it.

where is the diesel, portal axles and long travel suspension?

@ Scott
Please, now is allpar source good enough for ford horde? LOL.
It's just your assumptions, nobody has driven Rebel yet, nobody really knows angles and details. Nobody knows how aero mode will work in here, but you don't hesitate to post your assumptions like sure thing.
Why don't you support me to perform this course test by PUTC?
You will keep going on and on about something else and not about Rebel and Fx4 offroad course test.
Why?

Chica

They already know how the offroad and aero mode work and at what speeds each function.
http://www.torquenews.com/106/ram-rebel-brings-new-road-performance-detroit

All pars data is acuarate on the rebel and fords measurements for offroad are better.

I'm all for PUTC doing a test between a z71, fx4, trd pro, ram rebel, and if they wait til next summer throw in the new raptor for the test.

Nobody driven the rebel but you say it's better.... Ram marketing at work I guess. Selling you some upsized all season tires and skid plate package

Here is Rams info on the rebel. You can compare it to fords to see that ford has more desirable off-road capability measurements. Not to mention the ford is a lot lighter which is another desirable offroad feature!

http://chryslermedia.iconicweb.com/mediasite/specs/2015_RAM_1500-Rebel_Specifications.pdf

Ram marketing at work I guess.
Selling you some upsized all season tires and skid plate package.
Posted by: Scott | May 11, 2015 4:55:01 PM

This statement of yours is a lie.

Ford has much better marketing than RAM, because they sell lockers nobody uses and instead of better rear air multilink suspension , they let you pay for massage seats.


This statement of yours is a lie.

Ford has much better marketing than RAM, because they sell lockers nobody uses and instead of better rear air multilink suspension , they let you pay for massage seats.


Posted by: cicka | May 11, 2015 5:26:27 PM

It is a marketing scheme. A normal air suspension ram will give you better departure and break over angles and ground clearance in offroad mode 2 over the ram rebel. According to ram the rebel has 10.3 inches of ground clearance and a 2013-2014 ram in offroad 2 mode has 10.7" of ground clearance.

Also the ram rebel has only 1 offroad mode in the suspension which most likely ram just disabled offroad 2 from the regular ram suspension but put bigger tires on it. In offroad 1 the regular Rams have 9.9 inches of ground clearance.... Which the ram rebel tires are 8/10th of an inch taller then the regular Rams tires. So that 8/10th of an inch in taller tires gets you .4 inches taller.

So a regular ram in offroad 1 mode on the suspension with 9.9" of clearance plus the .4 inches extra height gained by the rebel tires if installed on a regular ram would get you the same clearance as the rebel....

None of these clearance figures take into account that the real clearance of a vehicle is the lowest point which typical is the diff as it is 8.8 inches on a ram rebel

What ram has done is just a marketing scheme by putting tire tread patterns on the seat, a different grill and bigger all season tires cause a regular ram has better numbers in desirable offroad measurements then the ram rebel.

Here is a link to just the stock ram air suspension release near the bottom of the page. Compared to the rebel release I posted above in one of my post you will see the rebel delivers less capability then just a regular ram. You buy one of these you just fell for a marketing gimmick.

http://media.chrysler.com/newsrelease.do;jsessionid=10A2AAB30BA7DB6ED90FAA92591BDBE1?&id=12817&mid=356

@Scott
I didn't read your post, because the beginning of it was boring already.
I will wait for PUTC test, if they do any, except 0 to 60. That won't be missing.
Nobody uses lockers at Fx4 anyway, so what's your point ?

ram made the rebel less capable then a regular air suspension ram and charge more for it and ram fans get suckered in to buying it and All ram had to do was put tread pattern on the seat and tell there customer the rebel is a purpose built offroad pickup. They got you chica...... Hook line and sinker!!!! Especially since they made the rebel les capable! Lol!!!

You also better not hold your breathe waiting on PUTC test as I doubt all the manufactures can get together and deliver the desired test vehicles all at once

@Cummins
I watched that video.
Hahahahahah. Traction control brakes the spinning wheel......

Everyone knows that RAM brakes spinning wheel to gain traction like on my Laramie with open differential.
What's funny, that Fx4 does same thing to simulate limited slip which Rebel has. LOL.

Fx4 came before the rebel so this is case of the rebel trying to be like ford but comes up short as you can't lock it up and spin both with out having the computer brake a wheel. That is the last thing you want is braking a wheel just to get the other to spin in an offroad situation such as keeping up momentum in a deep snow bank, deep mud hole or on a steep hill climb. That is why true off-road vehicles have locking diffs

@Cummins
Yeah, Fx4 has locker which nobody uses and it needs to simulate limited slip by braking spinning wheel.
Rebel doesn't need to simulate limited slip. Rebel uses limited slip all day long.

Nobody answered my question, where would you use locker what limited slip can't handle.
I guess you don't know. That's why nobody uses locker at Fx4.


Chica
Deep snow offroad, deep slippery mud holes, long steep hill climbs where you need to keep momentum, and slow rock crawling. I have answered your question a couple times.

@cummins
Jeeps from the factory come with locking diffs front and rear instead of limited slip as well just like the power wagons.... Ram needs to call jeep and tell them they are attempting to build off road jeeps with the wrong equipment.... Chica and Ram know best!!!

Chica
Deep snow offroad, deep slippery mud holes, long steep hill climbs where you need to keep momentum, and slow rock crawling. I have answered your question a couple times.

Posted by: Scott | May 11, 2015 9:47:39 PM

I did all of it with opened differential and traction control , so I would do all of that with Rebel, limited slip and traction control easy.
You kind of contradict yourself. You want to keep momentum and move slowly?

I have to add, I was pulling my quad behind me by doing that.

You want momentum in deep snow, deep mud and steep hills with out the truck braking a wheel just to get the other to spin.....

Slow and steady over rock crawling with a locked up diff. That is how all the jeeps and old broncos an such do it with locked up diffs.

If you did all that in your ram with traction control enabled it wasn't that extreme and a car could probably do it.

Yeah Scott, his open differential and traction control are perfect for parking lots and paved roads.

Posted by: Cummins | May 11, 2015 10:58:32 PM

No Cummins, there is no room for me at Mall parking lot. Those spots are occupied with shiny Jeeps and Fx4s which never used lockers.

If you did all that in your ram with traction control enabled it wasn't that extreme and a car could probably do it.

Posted by: scott | May 11, 2015 11:03:07 PM

No cars there. Not even in summer. No any 2 wheel drives. It's accross a creek in summer, frozen in winter directtly to steep hill, mostly very slippery from trucks going downhill. One hour on road and one hour offroad.
My friend has RAM 1 ton dualy , no traction control, needed to use chains.
I don't have a chains yet, because my wheels are larger than his 1 ton truck ones.
I did it in 4x4 high, traction control stayed on.
Locker would be useless for rest of my driving and would never get used, because you simply can't.
I am happy RAM didn't use locker at Rebel, which would never get switch on, but more usefull Limited Slip, which would stay on all day long.




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