2015 Ram 1500 Rebel: What Do You Want to Know?

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If you like new pickup trucks, this is a great time to be alive. Not only is the new 2015 Ford F-150 in full production at two plants, but just about every other truckmaker is experiencing strong profits. In fact, the only pickups not doing well are the Nissan Titan and Honda Ridgeline, both of which are getting huge redesigns later this year — so no surprise there.

We're confident we'll be getting behind the wheel of both of those new trucks pretty soon, as well as the new Toyota Tacoma, the baby-Duramax-equipped Chevrolet Colorado and the newly packaged 2015 Ram Rebel. This new Ram 1500 (the 10th in the lineup) is equipped with all sorts of special technology (air suspension, 33-inch tires, unique grille and tailgate, available RamBox, two gas engine choices and more), but packaged in a way that should make outdoor-loving, adventure-minded pickup enthusiasts curious. We can't wait to put it through some punishing and challenging tests.

We'll be driving the new Ram Rebel in the next few weeks and want to give you an opportunity to share what you want to know about the truck for our upcoming video and stories. Things like how does it respond in four-wheel drive? Are there any unique technologies? How does it compare to a Ford Raptor or a Ram Power Wagon? Is there anything special about the interior?

You give us your thoughts and questions, and we'll do the digging when we get access to the engineers and take the truck out on the road and nasty backcountry trails. Leave your comments below.

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Comments

@Cummins
Hahaha, it's like Scott knows how difficult and slippery that hill was , that even car could make it there. LOL.
Taste your own medicine.

Go to 4:10 in this vid to see what a limited slip diff in a ram does. Been in many situations in my extreme idaho winters where a limited slip I would have been shoveling. But lockers and momentum put ya through that snowbank cause you didn't have brakes apply to get all wheels to spin cause all the wheels were spinning to begin with. I have a e locker out back an a torsen up front. Use the E locker all the time in the winter just like most that have it

4:10 and the limited slip is stuck where a locker would have pulled through with ease

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj4dXpjqXZ0

@Scott
I don't watch videos. I have a real life experience. You can watch them if you like and pretend, that you can go anywhere with locker.LOL.

@cummins

Little does he know I have a 6.4 2500 ram at work that they provide to me. Limited slip truck as well :) So I brought the manual home and this is a quote directly out of the manual. Ram even list situation when you want to turn traction control partially off. With my 2500 partial off works in most situation as it takes away the engine cut off feature if your wheels are spinning and the tsc tries to prevent wheels from spinning. So in deep snow, slippery deep mud and climbing hills that require momentum if you spin a wheel in 4x4 it cuts engine power and applies brakes to spinning wheels.... Traction control will get you stuck and pretty much brake and cut engine power. Also with the traction control is senses different speeds of wheels and steer angle sensors and will brake a wheel and cut engine power to get the truck straight do to the difference in speed. In low range the traction control and stability is off no matter what. The ram traction control is no more advance then your common economy car traction control system just like any other truck manufacture.

So I know Chica is full of it.... Cause I know for a fact he hasn't been in deep snow or mud cause with the traction control activated it makes it impossible to carry any momentum if you brake traction on any wheels in an offered siuation.

page 516 of the ram manual states this
ESC Partial Off
This mode is entered by momentarily pressing the “ESC Off” switch. When in 􏰁Partial Off􏰁 mode, the TCS portion of ESC, except for the “limited slip” feature described in the TCS section, has been disabled and the 􏰁ESC Off Indicator Light􏰁 will be illuminated. All other stability features of ESC function normally. This mode is intended to be used if the vehicle is in deep snow, sand, or gravel conditions and more wheel spin than TCS would nor- mally allow is required to gain traction. To turn ESC on again, momentarily press the “ESC Off” switch. This will restore the normal “ESC On” mode of operation.

@Scott
Yes you can get probably Limited slip at 2500 but no 4WD Auto mode transfer case, which is a must for me.
I don't have RAM 2500 , so your argument is moot.
RAM 2500 with diesel is heavy beest. Combine that with narrow tires and you get stuck in the snow all the time. My other friend has RAM 2500 with 5.9 diesel and 4 speed trany. He can't go to deep snow I can without chains, mostly not at all, because he got stuck. My tires are wide , truck is lighter and it just swims on the top of the snow, as long as I don't stop.
I am very impressed with my truck traction control.
You are full of it and you don't know too much what's the difference between RAM 1500 and 2500.
Keep studying and watch more videos.

@Scott, Cummins

You wouldn't have any advantage up that snowy , icy , long, slippery hill I did 8 times last year with my Laramie in 4x4 High , open rear differential and traction control with quad behind me.
As soon as you get to the frozen creek, you need to step it and gain some speed and momentum, because there is little short hill and steep , long hill after that with snow and icy patches from spinning tires. As soon as you gain some speed you needed to get, your locker disengage and you end up with open differential, like me. If you try to go slowly ( nobody did it slowly yet), with locker , you don't have enough speed on icy portion and you will get stuck with all spinning wheels and quad behind you will pull you all the way back or worse down the hill side.
Only way to do that slowly is to use chains, like my friends do. Locker is useless in this situation, but limited slip would be helpful at any speed, any road, any condition all day long.

Exactly like this guy with F150 wishes to have Limited slip instead of locker.

Have a nice read.

Everyone has different needs and reasons. I live in a rugged, mountainous region where we get snow as early as October and as late as April. It can easily snow 2 - 3 feet in a 24 hour period (and it has). Some of the major highways are covered in snow & ice for for months and if you are not doing at least 60 mph (or faster) you'll have a big semi blow by you, peppering your vehicle with the crushed rock the highway crews refer to as "sand" and knock out your windshield. One highway was only completed in the 1980s because it snowed so much, the Government didn't considered it possible to keep it open during the winter.

In the summer, I can also go on about the gazzilion miles of back roads in the back country...some you can't take too fast, others you can easily hit 45-50mph.

These are reasons I bought a 4WD truck in the first place. I would have preferred an LS but I was explained the "E-Locker on the Ford F150 is as good as an LS". Unfortunately, I already had a chance to try it on some backroads, and the E-Locker kicking out at 25mph and becoming an "open diff" caused unwanted wheel spin where I was travelling.

I was hoping someone here was aware of a "fix or modification" to make our trucks work like the Raptor and they either had done it or knew someone who had done it. Especially, when Ford doesn't have these same limitations on the Raptor.

http://www.f150ecoboost.net/forum/30-stage-3-motorsports/1579-override-electronic-locking-rear-differential-3.html

How will the air ride fair under prolonged off-highway use???

Some of the 4x4 magazines were getting "overheat" warning lights on air-ride equipped trucks when they first came out.

Pursuant to the conversation around Lockers versus mechanical LSD's.

The E-lockers on GM's or Ford's disengage automatically around 35 mph. For most people that is perfectly fine but for those running on softer terrain at higher speeds or plowing through snow that is a problem. I've run into issues in that regard with the F150 rental with E-locker a few winters ago.

Another point that isn't totally related to E-lockers is the Traction/Stability control. If traction control is not disengaged with the E-locker engaged you can get wheel hope/suspension loading due to TSC doing it's thing. Again not an issue for low speed work.

Traction/Stability control systems can be a problem again at higher speeds. I've talked to several guys that have been put into the ditch by them. On narrow logging roads one yields right of way to logging trucks. Pulling over into snow pulls on the truck and the standard way of dealing with it is to counter-steer and apply some throttle. TSC systems will chop power and apply brakes thinking you are in understeer.

Pickups need Raptor like settings for "extreme use" since nannies are designed for "normal" driving.

The E-lockers on GM's or Ford's disengage automatically around 35 mph.
Posted by: Lou_BC | May 12, 2015 1:27:28 PM

It's kicking off at 25 MPH, which is useless. If ford would make it like on Raptor, there would be even more people in the ditch.

Traction/Stability control systems can be a problem again at higher speeds. I've talked to several guys that have been put into the ditch by them.
Posted by: Lou_BC | May 12, 2015 1:27:28 PM

It must have been ford guys, because everyone uses Ford for logging I have been told by you.

@LOU
You are wrong. Tha traction control kills power only when you don't know what you doing and floor the pedal. If you use moderate power, Traction control can manage adequate traction by braking wheels which needed, but if you drive like moron and power constantly exceedes what brake can handle, then power cut follows. So stop repeating false information, if you don't have any RAM experience with traction control.
There are also other variables nobody talks about , like steering wheel angle position and so on. Not just spinning some wheels. At least this is what RAM is working like. I don't know, if ford is this sofisticated , but RAM 1500 is and I am impressed.

cicka -again with the ad hominem comments.

Traction stability control systems will cut throttle with excess wheel spin but usually with yaw detection or as you have pointed out, with the front wheels turned even slightly.

I've driven multiple vehicles with these systems and they are all sophisticated.

They are programmed to the average driver and under certain extreme conditions are a hindrance or risk factor if one does not understand how the system works.

I suspect that most systems have similar programming especially in relation to when they can or cannot be disabled because of government mandates. When these systems were made a legal requirement the aftermarket industry was very worried because any modification to the truck was not to interfere, alter or disable these systems.

I find that under normal/average driving I never have the nannies activate.
That is a different story in extreme conditions. Catching the unplowed edge of a snow covered road is an example. I've had a few guys say the nannies kick in and they get pulled into the snow bank.
Another example is if one gets the rear to slide out when going through snow or even merging. Stability control kicks in and the vehicle lurches. The best thing usually is to apply power and gently power out of the slide. Anyone who has ridden dirt bikes will be familiar with that technique and the resulting "high side" if one abruptly chops power. Your example of the E-locker disengaging is also an issue that I have encountered personally.

@Lou_BC,
I do remember when you first pointed out the issue with your e-locker disengaging at 35mph.

I have done some research into why. Apparently with some of my discussion with other 4x4 enthusiasts most every modern 4x4 this occurs to.

The traction and stability control is the reason why.

When we did our off roading courses for my job using LR-130 we were restricted to driving at only 100kph on the dirt. This was due to the permanent diff locks on the vehicle.

It is easier for an operator of a vehicle to lose control at higher speeds with a diff lock.

If you do off road and do know how the counter or induce 4 wheel slides or even induce under or oversteer you probably could manage with the locks engaged at most speeds.

At higher speeds with the diffs locked, events unfold much more rapidly, as is expected.

@BigAl - for higher speed off-road use I much prefer a standard differential with limited slip. The solid locker is better suited to low speed work. My F150 has the standard clutch style limited slip. The rental I had a few winters ago was an E-locker.

Our friend cicka, beast, , yahoo, z-virus, z-viera et al as seen by his posts is NOT interested in an open exchange of information. Pity. I'm sure that if he was treated for his Napoleonic complex (or perhaps there is a Baltic equivalent?) then things would be better.

@Lou
I said everything I wanted to say.

I said everything I wanted to say.

Thanks Forest.

@Lou_BC,
There are two "r's" in Forrest.

Big Al from Oz - point is the same ;)

@papa jim
You mean like blue ovals falling off grilles and tailgates and wipers stuck in the upright position? Or gm tailgate latches and bezels breaking or missing?

I'm curious, could they have possibly made it any uglier without a direct copy of the Tundra?

@Bob
No , they couldn't make it uglier without copying the Tundra.

you guys do a great job testing and evaluating the vehicles. there are a few of us out there for whom real world comparison fuel economy numbers are very relevant, not just epa numbers. thanks



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