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My guess this truck will be revealed at the texas state fair in september and go into production early 2016. 10 speed transmission and an updated 3.5 ecoboost engine as an option. Also a weight loss of 1,000 pounds due to aluminum. Will be more of a game changer in it's own class than the aluminum f150.

Okay so who is the funny guy that took a dump, took a picture of it, and then called it a truck?

Ford would of been better off not using aluminium yet.

Better engine and drivetrain tech is available to build a cheaper HD than using aluminium.

I don't really see an EcoBoost viable in a truck. Most 1/2 ton pickups aren't really used as trucks. They are just a SUV/Car alternative.

Gasoline is great for cars, but working trucks use diesel for a reason.

Why doesn't Ford use a smaller diesel of around 4 litres as an entry model. A few hundred horsepower diesel with 500-600ftlb of torque is more than adequate for most applications.

@Big Al

Even a smaller 4L diesel would still be substantially more costly than a normal gas V8. I do agree that EcoBoost should stay out of the SD trucks for now though, the 6.2L is a good engine for this truck. While it is on the thirsty side, it had also proven to be pretty strong and durable. These trucks get worked hard.

@A L,
We are talking about working trucks, not a CUV/Car alternative.

So, why do trucks in the US have diesels??

Pickups have gasoline engines because they don't work as hard.

This isn't rocket science.

Even look at how pickups and even our utes are now appointed. They aren't trucks most of them.

has this one caught on fire yet? lol

if enough weight comes out of the superduty (800-1000#s) with aluminum and chassis redesigns which would put them at the weight of the previous gen f150 or a current ram 1500 the ecoboost would be a great powerplant for the superduty line. Would get high teens mpg's empty and 10-11 mpg pulling 10-12k. Also it wouldn't deliver the anemic performance of a small diesel and still be somewhat fun to drive. In the North America where prolly 90+% of hd's are sold there wouldn't be a market worth investing in a small low power diesel option for this market.

It would take a few years for a ecoboost to catch on for the hd segment but in the interm you could still have a v8 as an option.

Not a big secret any longer since the leaked pictures have been out for some time now on Jalopnik!

Big Al from Oz - it all boils down to price point. A company that uses trucks in rough environments have high turn over rates so it makes sense for them to buy trucks with the lowest cost. A diesel powered truck has a much longer break even point. Why spend an extra 8-10k on a truck that will be heading for the auto wrecker in 3 years?
If diesel pickups were worth the investment my brother's company would of purchased them a long time ago. Interestingly enough all of their current HD's are GM 6.0 powered trucks. All of their 1/2 tons have been turned over to F150's with the EB 3.5. This has all been based on durability and fuel cost data.

I see fleets with diesels but those are companies that need trucks with tow/haul ratings that aren't available with gas engines.

I know you like diesels but until industry sees a positive cost/benefit ratio you will still see gas engines (unless regulatory frameworks are changed to favour diesel).

Another point that I'm surprised you miss being an aviation engineer. Payload IS important with HD pickups. A drop in weight means an improvement in payload. That applies whether or not a pickup has a diesel under the hood.

@Lou_BC,
You seem to describe the logging industry as indicative of the average truck market. I doubt this very much.

You can't be serious in trying to connect the logging industry to say someone in an urban environment, which is the most likely place and largest base for trucks.

The reason why US pickups have a longer break even point is you are describing the current range of V8s in use.

I'm describing a different engine, not the expensive V8 Powerstrokes, etc.

Industry does find it attractive to run diesels. Canadians' in all seriousness follow the US'es lead in the automotive industry.

Look outside of your backyard (literally, logging?), look around the world.

I do find the average pickup guy isn't innovative and creative.

It's the US manufacturers that are pushing the gasoline engines not business.

I thought these were purposely built heavy to pull heavy trailers. Guess not since you guys are talking about it being lighter.
My neighbor will probably buy one. He has a F-250 diesel now and pulls a 16' trailer with a riding lawn mower on it. He is talking about getting a bigger trailer so he can carry a ZTR and rider. He says a F-150 is not big enough....???????

See over kill all the time around here

It's the 5.0 Ecboost Ford engineers talked about since 2011 when the Coyote debuted in the Mustang...

550 HP, 700 lb/ft

The way the HD 350 is lenning forward it must have Independent front suspension, ALA GM HD.
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Do they (anyone) still make regular cab trucks?

Big Al from Oz - re-read my post. I did not make a carte blanche statement.
But since you went there..........

Who uses pickups for work?

There are high mileage fleets out there that aren't subject to tough use and their criteria will be different but from what I've seen they still follow similar criteria to what I see in heavy industry. All of the highway maintenance crews and supervisors I see are ALSO in gasser pickups.

Urban use can be hard on a truck but in different ways i.e. idling and frequent stop/starts. A diesel that never gets hot enough for long enough is going to go through multiple regen cycles.

Regardless of WHERE a truck is used, there has to be ROI. Return on Investment. Most will NOT buy a pickup with a diesel if there isn't a benefit or a need to be filled.

That applies regardless of where a truck is located.

Individual buyers and small contractors have to come to their own conclusions as to what they want. I did not mention them.
..............I mentioned fleets..........

Small volume buyers tend to buy based on personal feelings as opposed to logic. Most small contractors and individuals I see are in HD crewcab 4x4's costing 80K or more. No logic there other than personal comfort and preference and as a tax write off.

I'm no longer directly involved in industry but I know a ton of people involved in everything from logging, mining, oil and gas to road and bridge construction to urban personal residence construction to heavy industrial construction.

I'm sure that my opinions are closer to the mark then a fellow living on a different continent who views Google as everyone's friend.

If manufacturers are pushing gassers then why aren't all of these fleet buyers going with alternatives? I don't see a world full of class 4 diesel MDT's filling the void.

I don't see every Ram Ecodiesel out their with a company logo on the door.

Care to explain that one?

There is a pretty good push to get away from diesels in certain commercial trucks and it will probably spread to all. These include the lower carbon content of lighter fuels meaning less greenhouse gases, lower cost of natural gas and idle restrictions on diesels equipped with particulate filters. This is why Ford recently started offering V10's in the F650 and F750. I good spark engine is going to be essential for many trucks in the near future.

These trucks aren't exclusively used for towing, hauling is also a consideration. Take a pound out of the truck and you can add a pound to the payload rating.

@louis o

It's likely a 2WD model shown in these pictures. Even the current Superdutyd have IFS front suspension of they are 2WD.

I doubt Fords going to drop the straight axle on the 4WD models.

As for engines. I hope to god Ford "Ecoboosts" the 5.0L and sticks it under the hood of the Superduty. That would be check and mate for GM and Rams H.D gas trucks.

I see a lot of new Mustangs on the roads but never see any 2015 F-150's

Are the 5.0 ecoboost rumors actually legit? I've never heard that before. That would be pretty awesome. Personally I'm not a fan of the ecoboost motors though because I don't believe they will be as long lasting. I just purchased a 5.0. It's not as quick as the ecoboost but I love that growl from the motor and has plenty of power for my needs. Also doesn't get quite the fuel economy of the ecoboost but will more likely last 300,000 miles like I want it to.

A car engine in a want to be HD truck. Ford Super Duty trucks have always lacked what it takes to be a true HD truck. And it looks like they are following the same road they always have. A dead end road.

@jerry The Ecoboost engines are actually built stronger, due to very high cylinder pressures. Especially the 2.7L which uses Ford's Graphite Cast Iron Block Technology. All of the moving components are made of forged steel, and Forged aluminum (Pistons)

Why not the 4.4 litre V8 that is already in production at the Chihuahua plant in Mexico? This engine is produced alongside with the 6.7 l SuperDuty-engine. The 4.4 lit it is based on the Lion V6 Diesel and has a power output of 330 hp (246 kW) and 516 lb·ft (700 N·m) of torque

This could be why Ford is investing for more dieselcapacity at that plant.

@Jerry - Right from the beginning, when the Coyote was released, engineers were quoted saying that direct injection and boost capabilities were built into the design of the block and heads for use "at a later date"

My plowing partner has 2012 crew cab short bed srw f250sd diesel and the curb weight is 8900 lbs, thats heavy losing 1000 lbs wouldn't even get it to my 2500hd curb weight.

typo 7900lbs not 8900 my bad

I predict that under all that zebra costume lies the same body we've seen since 1999.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.