2016 Ram HDs Push the Torque, Towing Envelope

2016 Rams The Five [1] II

In the never-ending quest to offer the biggest, strongest and most powerful pickup trucks in the market, Ram has upped the ante by pushing several of its models to new, class-leading heights.

For the 2016 model year, the Ram 3500 with the 6.7-liter Cummins will now be rated at 900 pounds-feet of torque. Although we don't have all the details, Ram said it achieved the torque improvement by upgrading the fuel delivery and boost calibrations to get the additional torque.

Likewise, to deal with the added power going through the rear axle, Ram has strengthened the 11.8-inch rear axle, making it a stronger 16-bolt axle housing instead of the previous 12-bolt. This means Ram can now boast having a maximum tow rating of 31,210 pounds(when properly equipped), up from Ram's previous max tow rating of 30,000 pounds with a fifth-wheel or gooseneck trailer. That beats Ford's F-450 Super Duty by just 10 pounds. Finally, Ram also increased its maximum payload rating to a class-leading 7,390 pounds, beating Ford's F-450 Super Duty by more than 100 pounds.

The first 2016 Ram 2500/3500 pickups will start rolling off the Saltillo Truck Assembly Plant in Coahuila, Mexico, this fall. Starting prices for the 2016 Ram 2500s will be $32,680 and 2016 Ram 3500s will be $33,185 (prices include destination).

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Hecho en Mexico.

Oh ya! King of the beasts Ram trucks. Can't wait to get my new Ram.

"The overall quality and level of detail offered in the Laramie Longhorn interior package impressed us. This was a cabin that we had to live in for seven straight days, sometimes for 16 hours at a time. The material choices, seams and switch layout seem to be the standard for the industry right now, something that others should be shooting for.

Finally, an important detail that could easily go overlooked is how well this package is integrated. From the engine and transmission working through the midlevel gearing, to the grade braking in the transmission software working in concert with the exhaust brake, to the level of seating comfort and support to make long hauls feel like an easy day's drive, it all works and fits seamlessly together.

This new Ram 3500 HD controls huge amounts of weight as if it were carrying a much smaller load, and you get out of the truck at the end of a long day of towing feeling like you haven't been. What more could you want from your beast of burden?

The Ram also had higher top speeds up the steepest grades, handled the heavy loads with more control, and kept the drivers more comfortable and less stressed."

"The first 2016 Ram 2500/3500 pickups will start rolling off the Saltillo Truck Assembly Plant in Coahuila, Mexico, this fall"

Just in time for the all new 2017 Super Duty.

Ram is pushing the increases now because they know Ford is going to throw down the gauntlet at the State Fair of Texas with the all new 2017 Super Duty.

Man 900 pounds feet of torque! This is a beast
Take that ford!

I think that Ford is going to explode first.

They should sell them globally. Problem finding a market for them

Mexico huh??

Duramax 6600 will be upgraded too. 900 lb/ft of torque is the least. With a entirely new engine. I think they will go for a block in CGI, same as the Ford PS has.

@Filoe
Mexico is part of the North American market, part of NAFTA

Hecho en Mexico.

1000lbs ft of torque is not far in the future with power wars like this.

No conventional towing specs? Must be GM is still number one. I see that Ram raised their payload just above GM's 7374 pounds. The way I see it is that a hundred pounds difference in these ratings do not matter. If the truck will last me with little or no major repairs counts more. For some reason this web site never wants to mention GM's specs.

I switched to Ram after problems with consecutive trucks from the other two major brands. We towed a 39' fifthwheel all over this country as fulltime rv'ers for a lot of years. What impressed me most about the 2007 Ram 3500 Laramie Megacab with 6.7L Cummins and 6-speed automatic was not only it's reliability for more than 100,000 miles, nor how it still had no rattles when we finally sold the truck and fifthwheel, but most impressive was how it towed that very heavy weight. Unlike our prior V8 diesel trucks, climbing those 8% and 10% grades didn't cause it to scream at 3800 rpm. No, the Ram redlined at 3200. And it towed those hills by downshifting, raising the rpm to about 2700 for about 2, sometimes 3, seconds, then upshifting and finishing the climb at 2000 to 2400 rpm. And the engine temperature never climbed above 216 degrees, whereas my Fords and GMC's would run 225 to 240 under those conditions and would scream at 3800 rpm all the way to the top. If we were to again have need for a large truck, it would no doubt be a Ram.

The 2017 super duty will probably lose close to 1000 pounds by going to aluminum.

And then in 2017/2018 the all new redesigned Ram will come out. This segment is going to be exciting for sure.

That is awesome. Expect the others to follow. This is the advantages to dpf and urea.... Engine tuners can go crazy with there tunes and not worry. These power bumps are easy for them these days to perform. You will just use more urea. Not to long ago 900 ft lbs took some huge upgrades to make and then the trucks would pollute like crazy. Good job cummins!!! Ram couldn't build this monster motor with there own in house diesel maker.... VM

"This means Ram can now boast having a maximum tow rating of 31,210 pounds(when properly equipped), up from Ram's previous max tow rating of 30,000 pounds with a fifth-wheel or gooseneck trailer. That beats Ford's F-450" - PUTC Mark Williams

Right, but to get to 30k or 31.21k on the Ram you need a REGULAR CAB as shown in the photo. The F-450 is a crewcab. The next gen F-450 will be a SuperCrew. As you said in another shootout, who tows with a regular cab?

Flashback to the 2011 shootout:

"What didn’t impress us was the strange choice of an integrated brake controller (do regular cabs tow much?)" - Mark Williams

Ford will have to increase there 2.7 Ecoboost engine to match the 6.7-liter Cummins torque in there 2017 Ford SD to be on the same page as Ram.

Follow the leader

Funny how RAM didn't mention how they got those numbers. I'm sure this is only possible with an Aisin transmission costing the consumer another couple of grand. Their 2500s will still not be able to match those numbers.

Wow 900!!! Wonder who will be the first to 1,000! But why do we need such monster numbers out of these diesel engines?? It gets to be overkill at times! I thought 600 lbs feet of torque was enough. The game of leap frog continues.

Testing to a rigorous standard you say? Funny how there is only 1 crewcab in that pic. 3 out of the 4 HDs are RCs. That's how Bog Hegbloom got that number eventhough 95% of buyers choose a crewcab or extended cab. smh.

Yeah, I would be more impressed if Ram could do it with something more than a regular cab. It's going to get real interesting when the new Ford Super Duty Crews lose 1,000 lbs this fall.

I'd rather see Ram fix the anemic tow and haul specs of the 1500.

I do not recall the last time I saw a newer model regular cab duallie.

Both Ford and GM have shorter R&D cycles than Ram. Maybe we will see a whole knew Ram when FCA forces a merger with GM or gets bought out by Asians or Indians.

MahindRam coming to a town near you!

That sheep's head is going to sprout TaTa's.

RTFLMFAO

It's getting to the point where they're going to start putting 3500 badges on medium duty trucks. This is ridiculous. If you tow 31,000 lbs. you shouldn't be driving a pickup truck.

@Eric

There is no such thing as a "Dodge RAM". Fiat shitcanned the Dodge name when they took over. It's just a Ram now. Please refer to it accordingly.

-Thanks.

I agree with Lou and Jason, I don't think I have ever seen a RC duallie. Who does Bob Hegbloom think he is fooling? Beating Ford by 10 lbs will be great for marketing and fanbois, but not real world.

"Both Ford and GM have shorter R&D cycles than Ram."

@Lou_BC... The Ford Super Duty cab and bed have been otherwise unchanged since the F-series SD sub-line was first introduced in 1998 as early 99 models. Frame, interior, and front clip revisions are fine, but when a 2016 F350 can swap its body parts with a 1999, most people (beyond truck enthusiasts) see "the same truck".

We're truck people reading/commenting at this site... we know that improvements are made regularly under the skin. But the general public has a perception of "same ol, same ol" because they can't see a stronger frame or a new powertrain. Sheetmetal is often what gets the buyer who is on the fence to pull the trigger on a purchase, and that's true of car classes as well as trucks.

Wonder what the ram hp rating is??? Did they finally get over 400 hp with this 35 ft lbs bump. Ford with 850 ft lbs and gm with it 765 ft lbs out performed then 865 ft lbs ram so maybe ram can finally keep up!!! Well Until the new duramax is released and the new powerstroke is released anyways.

@Scott - HP is still 385 @ 2800, no change there. Cummins isn't interested in revving as high as the V8s to get extra hp.

I do not recall the last time I saw a newer model regular cab duallie. - Lou

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This.

I do not recall the last time I saw a newer model regular cab duallie. - Lou


I see them all the time. Although they have utility or flat beds on them. I don't recall the last time I saw a newer DRW regular cab with a pickup bed though.

@Scott - HP is still 385 @ 2800, no change there. Cummins isn't interested in revving as high as the V8s to get extra hp.


Posted by: RoadTrip | Jun 22, 2015 12:42:54 PM
2015 peak hp
6.7 cummins.... 385 hp at 2800 rpm
6.7 ford...... 440 hp at 2800 rpm

V8's don't rev any higher then an I-6 to make there power. Its a pretty common misconception though on V8 diesels needing more rpm.

@Lou,

2015 Ram 3500 Single Cab Dual REAR WHEEL

http://lifteddieseltrucks.com/tag/dodge-3500-dually-reguler-cab-for-sale-in-alabama

In YOR FACE!!!!!!!!!!!!! #winning

16 lug bolt axle housing.... That axle prolly only apply's to 1 ton dually's regular cab 2wd trucks. Doubt any 4x4 and/or crew cabs get this as there rating prolly didn't go up and just stayed the same well below 30k.

"Ram maintains leadership in all three pickup segments offering best-in-class fuel efficiency, best-in-class towing, best-in-class power and best-in-class payload," said Bob Hegbloom, President and CEO — Ram Truck Brand, FCA US. "Ram continues to break records in the most important consumer-driven titles of the pickup truck market."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2015/06/22/ram-heavy-duty-torque-power/29095405/

@Lou,

https://mpg.memberclicks.net/assets/MilePost_October_2013/008.jpg

Hegbloom = winning.

https://mpg.memberclicks.net/assets/MilePost_October_2013/008.jpg

@Scott - the Cummins would need to rev into the mid 3000s to get the same hp. While not the peak point for the Powerstroke, it is still capable of revving that high, as is the Duramax.

@ramtech/moparornocarV8/HemiV8. Or what ever multiple name you use in one article to make it seem like more than one person is posting.


I think what Lou is saying here is that DRW regular cab pickup trucks are rare,very rare. So rare in fact that I probably see more 57 Chevy Bell Air coupes on the road than new DRW regular cab pickups, and I live in Texas where trucks are everywhere. A vast majority of the trucks on the road are double cab or crew cab. I would also bet that just 99% of the people posting here have either a double cab or crew cab as well. So this coincides with Lou's point of what is the point of marketing a 31,210 lb tow rating when it is only in a regular cab configuration that hardly anyone would buy for personal use and your competitor has a 31,200 lb tow rating in a crew cab configuration. All it is is marketing just to say they are "class leading" but it is useless in the real world.

The only thing I'd give the RAM was the fantastic jake brake which was far superior to GM's and Ford's.

The new Ford SD has a redesigned turbo that has significantly better jake brake performance, also it's fairly well known that the Ford 6.7 was designed to stretch to 1000lbs of torque. The question is if Ford feels the need to do that. Converting to an Aluminum body will add 500lbs to the bed carry capacity and almost 800+lbs to the tow capacity. All ford needs to do is nothing....to the F250-350. (nothing being nothing that hasn't already been announced) Just add a more powerful version of the 6.7 diesel to the F450

900 ft/lbs is just a number, unless they fix the throttle response.

I've got a '14 3500 with the Cummins/Aisin combo and the truck is a SLUG! The throttle response is terrible!! Once it's moving, it moves out fine, but some times, after hammering on the peddle, I have to wait 2 seconds before the motor starts to rev up. It's an accident waiting to happen!

BTW, have in '87 I had a 5.0 Mustang GT. My buddy had a Laser with the turbo 4. That Chryco Laser was JUNK! I use to run circles around him..

I wonder if this engine swills DEF nearly as fast as diesel like the last one!

Some of you either haven't watched the video or have a comprehension problem. ALL DRW TRUCKS WITH THE CUMMINS/AISIN AND 4.10 GET THE 1,200 POUND TOWING INCREASE.

So if you were looking at a Crew Cab Laramie Longhorn and the tow number was 29K (not actual numbers, just hypothetical) with the Aisin and 4.10's it is now 30,200 pounds towing. Pretty substantial increase.

I have to clarify for the Rambots..... I was referring to regular cab pickups with boxes.

I see flat deck 1 ton or larger regular cab trucks all of the time but those don't tend to be called pickup trucks.

Wow - how hard is that to understand?

Forgot......... we are dealing with zombie Rambots.

I wish, instead of competing on torque numbers, where no one needs more torque than is available now, they would instead compete on RELIABILITY.

@crabjoe - that lag is designed. It's reportedly to make sure you really do want the go pedal, instead of wanting the whoa pedal and you hit the wrong one. If you gradually step up the power on the accelerator, there is no lag at all, as the computer assumes you're on the correct pedal.

Kurt K - no argument there but since most media outlets feast on the corporate teats that PR hacks dangle before them we will not see durability testing or reports on durability other than cut and paste from outlets like JD Power.



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