IIHS Examines Safety Variations by Cab Model for Ford F-150

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New crash tests are being designed to find out if pickup truck manufacturers are including certain safety devices on some cab configurations but not others.

According to Automotive News, the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, a vehicle safety organization funded by insurance company associations, is changing its pickup truck testing procedures to include all pickup cab configurations after becoming aware that safety equipment varied by cab models.

Much of the attention is focused on the Ford F-150 crew cab, which has special "wheel blockers" at the front and rear of the front wheels to prevent the tires from moving into the cabin of the truck during a front-end collision. Automotive News asked Ford why the extra wheel tubing is on some cabs and not others; Ford responded that it strengthens each cab configuration based on many different factors to achieve the proper safety requirements.

Recent crash tests conducted by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration resulted in five-star ratings in front, side and overall crash categories for all 2015 Ford F-150 cab configurations (regular, extended and crew cabs). However, IIHS tests include a small-overlap frontal crash test that NHTSA does not do. The IIHS overlap test simulates the front corner of a vehicle crashing into a rigid barrier at 40 mph; it has proven troublesome for many automakers across their vehicle lineups.

It remains to be seen whether safety equipment that varies by pickup trim levels or cab configurations will create a problem for Ford or other truckmakers when it comes to crash testing.

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Air ride is supposed to help tow and haul BUT PUTC's last 1/2 ton test shows that it can NOT handle towing or hauling.

Posted by: Lou_BC | Jun 17, 2015 6:01:47 PM

Source?

Air ride is supposed to help tow and haul BUT PUTC's last 1/2 ton test shows that it can NOT handle towing or hauling.

Posted by: Lou_BC | Jun 17, 2015 6:01:47 PM

Source?

Ecodiesel a are averaging 22 mpg according to fuelly. Edmunds is averaging just over 22 with there tester. Winter the averages go down greatly. You also have more expensive oil and filter changes with very specific expensive euro spec oil.... No rotella or delo for the ecodiesels..... Voids your warranty if you use that oil. Also you have to worry about def and it freezing in the winter.

2wd regular cab strippers are the only ones that tow 9000. Nobody really buys those. Otherwise figure about only towing 7700 lbs or so and that is only with a 150 lbs driver. No passengers or other stuff can be added.

Ecoboost get better mpg's in every test compared to the 5.7 hemi which is the worst perform engine in the gas 1/2 ton market of the big 3 top tier engines.


No other truck will come close to the Eco Diesel in MPG unloaded or loaded.
Posted by: HEMI V8 | Jun 17, 2015 10:20:24 PM

Let tell you some bout my Chevy Colorado. Chevy are strong and dependable, they also come chock full of goodies. With the 2.8L Duramax, a Chevy Colorado would round house kill a Ram Eco diesel right square in the nuts. Out MPG it to by .......lot! So if you like swallowing heavy loads get you a Ram Eco diesel, if you like hauling heavy loads with good MPG get you a Chevy Colorado.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__tzPkZywdE&list=PL5M3nVEuAbLtGCdOkatoqqHvp3K-bBKAF

Ecoboost get better mpg's in every test compared to the 5.7 hemi which is the worst perform engine in the gas 1/2 ton market of the big 3 top tier engines.

Posted by: Scott | Jun 18, 2015 12:27:24 AM

No.


Posted by: Scott | Jun 18, 2015 12:27:24 AM

No.


Posted by: Svina | Jun 18, 2015 8:43:00 AM

Link???? Unlikely I will see anything is my guess. The 3.5 just kills the hemi in everyday. Sbyl

3.5L Ecoboost towing Downhill Ike Gauntlet and Uphill 450 Degrees at brakes, 200 more than Toyota.
They reset computer at the top of the Ike Gauntlet , driving Down and Up and got horrible 11.3MPG , considering, going and counting downhill first.
I can beat that MPG going downhill and uphill with my HEMI with cylinder displacement and with towing mode off, going downhill with my finger in my nose anytime.
It seams to me Ecoboost takes lot of gas going even downhill to cool turbos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq05bNUaBnU&feature=youtu.be

Ika Gauntlet Ascent with 2.7 Ecoboost 4.3MPG.
RAM 1500 Ecodiesel 6.1 MPG going just uphill .
41% better MPG than 2.7 Ecoboost.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQQGYJCG65E

Ecoboost is nothing without turbo spooling and power braking.
It will never beat HEMI in the real life situation. I have never seen anybody to use power braking at the red light.

@scott, You talking about the limp mode lemon from Ford? The same limp mode lemon that's the source of a class action law suit over defects?

I have not seen one test done on these bloated payload/ towing numbers on the H.D. 1/2 tons from G.M. & Ford. Both have over stated claims in the past about their trucks capability. I would love to see these two 1/2 ton trucks tested at their MAX. Braking, 0 to 60, climbing hills, suspension, handling characteristics. It looks good on paper but Ford has been known to have spring dust in the past. Engine's overheating V6, suspension wobbling, and sagging described Ford trucks in other tests. @60,000 dollars for a 1/2 ton Ford is some one better off towing 12,000 and hauling a ton with a 3/4 ton?

@Hemi V8

Spoken like a true fan boy whose favorite half ton doesn't have enough GVWR or payload to haul a wet noodle, and is jealous of the other truck manufacturers half ton payloads and GVWRs.


So you are telling me that if Ram did something to raise their GVWR which would increase their payload then you would call their numbers bloated too? Also, those tow numbers are going by the same J2807 that you have been touting that Ram has been abiding by so the testing has been done there.

Funny.......... the Rambots claim that Ford is cheaping out but FCA won't offer a Ram 1500 with a stiffer frame and stronger axles to carry more weight.

Air ride adds ZERO extra capacity and per PUTC performed worse than the competition when loaded or towing.

FCA's solution is to tell customers they need a HD. Only the Rambots buy into this nonsense.

A 12 times a year camper trailer to the local lake puller does not need a HD. Same can be said for the guy going out hunting in the fall and between buddies, dogs and gear puts 1,800 lbs in the truck.

A HD makes sense if you haul or tow most of the time or are in tough situations most of the time.

@Scott - pursuant to the Ecodiesel conversation;

Ram does not put an Ecodiesel in a reg cab.

Best Ecodiesel tow rating:

Ram 1500 TRADESMAN 3.0-Liter V6 EcoDiesel quad | 6'4" | auto | 4x2 axle ratio 3.92 Max Payload 1,501lbs Max Towing 9,050lbs

Best Ecodiesel Cargo rating:

Ram 1500 LONE STAR 3.0-Liter V6 EcoDiesel quad | 6'4" | auto | 4x2 axle ratio 3.55 Max Payload 1,614lbs Max Towing 8,050lbs

The odd part is if you change from 3.55 gears to 3.92 cargo ratings drop to Max Payload 1,464lbs

Please note that these are plain 2 wheel drive trucks.

Ram 1500 can give you great mpg but not great tow or haul specs.

It is not the fault of the Ecodiesel but the fault of a body on frame large sedan mentality at Ram.

If one refers to the GM commercial truck post, the 2 diesels in those class 4-6 trucks are a 3.0 diesel and a 5.2 diesel.

If the 3.0 diesel can do the work in a class 4-6 why can't it do it in a Ram?

Big Al says that the Aussie trucks with the VM 3.0 (Ecodiesel) are rated to tow and haul much more than Ram. He says they are rated similar to HD's.

If the global VM Motori 3.0 works in commercial tractors and Euro pickups with high tow haul ratings WHY does it have poor ratings in a Ram 1500?

The only answer is a subprime chassis and subprime suspension and subprime axles.

No wonder Marchionne is shopping around for suitors like a crack w-hore.

@lou
Ram does not put an Ecodiesel in a reg cab.

Yes they do. That is how you get 9200 lbs towing is a 2wd ecodiesel regular cab 2wd as stripper truck. You get into a crew cab 4x4 ecodiesel you are automatically well below 8000 lb towing. Just like ram 30k towing claim.... It's a 2wd stripper regular cab dually... You add length and cab configurations and transfer case and options you are no where close to 30k
Ram is constantly false advertising cause the will claim a rating in there advertisement and then show pictures of a fully loaded crew cab 4x4.
http://m.motortrend.com/roadtests/trucks/1412_2014_ram_1500_ecodiesel_tradesman_regular_cab_first_drive/


Oh btw I see nobody can provide a link to a hemi in any test get better mpg's then an ecoboost or offering better performance. I expected not see a link posted as it doesn't happen as the Hemi's are worse on fuel and worse performance then an Ecoboost.... And as always there will be hemi guys come in with there made up numbers of what they get for mpg's.

You are all morons, if you think you drive F150 with incredible payload.
It's F250 with F150 badge on it. It also costs more than RAM2500.
But hey, you want to compete ? I will buy RAM2500 and put RAM1500 badge on it just to make you happy.
Price is going to be the same,but you are greatest sucker ever,if you don't care about price , but the badge.

"It's F250 with F150 badge on it."

Nope. I can assure you it is an F150 that is the same class 2A as the Ram 1500 is in, and not the class 2B that the F250 is in. You are the moron for thinking that payload dictates what class a truck is in. I can't help that Ram decided to make all of their 1500s at the bottom end of the 2A class.

"Price is going to be the same"

Nope, and is fuel price going to be the same? Why would someone want to get a dismal 12-13 mpg mpg all the time when they can buy a truck that meets their payload needs and gets 16-17 mpg? Not to mention the half ton will have better performance and will drive better unloaded too.


"but you are greatest sucker ever,if you don't care about price , but the badge."

Wow, you should really look up the definition of the word hypocrite. You buy trucks depending on their badge.

Class 2A that all half tons like the 1500s and F150 ranges from 6,000 lbs GVWR all the way up to 8,500 lbs GVWR. All Ram 1500 have a GVWR no greater than 6,950 lbs. Why is that when they have plenty of room in its class to abble to improve whatever it is that is keeping from having a higher GVWR and therefore increasing its payload.

Ford, Chevy, GMC, and even Toyota have class 2A trucks that have a GVWR of over 7,000 bs which is why they have higher payloads. Why doesn't Ram? What part on the truck is holding it back from have a higher GVWR? It has plenty of room in its class to improve so why doesn't it? You would figure since being "class leading" is so important to Ram then it would do something to increase its GVWR so it can be "best in its class"?

I guarantee you, that F150 with greatest payload costs just about the same or more than RAM2500 with even more payload,warranty and better handling. Well, RAM2500 won 3/4 ton shootout. Ford F250 was third.

http://special-reports.pickuptrucks.com/2014/08/ultimate-three-quarter-ton-hd-challenge-and-the-winner-is.html

So if I want to safely tow or haul more, I know where to go. RAM 2500. I wouldn't certainly pick third place truck.

"I guarantee you, that F150 with greatest payload costs just about the same or more than RAM2500"

To bad for you that u don't trust you enough the believe your guarantees. Like I said, even though the 2500 might cost a little more, it will cost a lot more in fuel each. If a person only needs 2,000 lbs of payload for occasional used then why would they buy something that coats more and gets 12-13 mpg when there is something that costs less, has better performance, and gets 16-18 mpg average. What does it matter if the 2500 has more payload if they don't need that much?


"Well, RAM2500 won 3/4 ton shootout. Ford F250 was third."

Yes I read that, and I saw that in the actual testing the Ford and Chevy scored higher than the Ram. In fact the Ram 2500 was in third place in the actual testing portion of that shootout. The Ram outscored both in the judges opinion portion of the test where they scored them on things like interior. It would be a no brainer that the much more expensive with a lot more options Ram won in the interior opinion part of the test which was over $2,000 more than the Ford. You would have thought those goes would have at least bought the $160 camper package in that F250 which would have added a sway bar in the rear and a leaf spring pack small the the F350s. They had plenty of room to catch up to the $2,000 more that the Ram cost so I wonder why they didn't do it.

Although it is kind of sad that you have to put a 2500 up against the other brands 1500s. That just tells me that even you think the Ram 1500s GVWR is too low along with its payload. I guess we will never know what it is that holds the Ram 1500s back from having a GVWR higher than 7,000 lbs like the rest of the trucks in its class do.

Scott - Ram's tow haul spec sheet does not list an Ecodiesel in regular cab. That is what I look at. Ram has a nice layout for showing tow and haul specs. Ford's site is also good with flow charts with specs. Gm's site is a bit cumbersome but the data is in there.

Not sure why Ram's site has such a nice layout for tow haul since the Rambot's don't seem to care about their subprime 1/2 ton trucks.

First Place: 2014 Ram 2500 HD

Empirical score, 1,553 points; judges' score, 1,515 points; total, 3,068 points

The Ram HD 2500 is our pick for best overall three-quarter-ton pickup equipped with a gas engine.

It dominated our test events, winning 10 of 16 events and scoring a first-place finish with each of our judges. The Ram definitely offered the best interior and had the best ride of the three, comfortably traversing just about every smooth and broken tarmac surface. Even though it sat below our $50,000 price cap, it still provided a lot of technology and features that the other two players could not match: the RamBox, adaptable rear coils, hidden storage, a top-notch information center and more. Our biggest complaint about this truck was that it didn't have side steps, which is practically a requirement unless you are 6 feet 5 inches or taller. Other nitpicks had to do with the fact that Ram tried to pack too many features into the truck; having the Tow/Haul and trailer brake controller relatively low in the center stack makes both a challenge to find in a hurry. Still, if we were going to choose the best all-around three-quarter-ton player in the field today, the Ram 2500 would be at the top of our list.

RAM won 10 of 16 events.

"Ford 250 was pulling 1k less up the hill than the Chevy and 3K less up the hill than the RAM 2500 in a test where a few hundred pounds could make the difference between winning and losing. So this is not surprising.

Furthermore the win in empirical testing is a bit misleading since the the rankings are based off of % of winners time, its not surprising it won a HUGE advantage based on their points scale in the Eisenhower Pass test because it smoked the more heavily loaded competitors by a much wider margin than in the other tests where conditions were 100% equal for all the trucks."
(Posted by: devilsadvocate | Aug 11, 2014 11:08:37 AM)

"Why didn't they do what they've done in the past (2013 light duty shootout) which is award a ton of points for having more capacity. Had you done that the ram would've won by even more."
(Posted by: ecodiesel1 | Aug 11, 2014 12:15:06 PM)

Ford could win empirical test only when pulling
3000 lbs less than RAM and only when RAM wasn't awarded extra points for much more payload to handle, like they did in 1/2 ton shootout.

http://special-reports.pickuptrucks.com/2014/08/ultimate-three-quarter-ton-hd-challenge-eisenhower-pass.html

RAM kicked Ford asss at Davis Dam.
At Davis Dam with equal loads the Ram destroyed both Ford and Chevy.Ram should have scored Max points for greatest payload at Eisenhower.
Ford should have been scored lower for lower max payload and also dangerous handling.
(Posted by: BuddyIam | Aug 11, 2014 12:30:58 PM)

http://special-reports.pickuptrucks.com/2014/08/ultimate-three-quarter-ton-hd-challenge-davis-dam.html

Why would anybody need to buy F350 , if RAM 2500 can handle 3000 lbs more than F250 and still suits his needs?

http://special-reports.pickuptrucks.com/2014/08/ultimate-three-quarter-ton-hd-challenge-and-the-winner-is.html


It doesn't matter, the F250 still won on the actual testing portion of the challenge and that is a fact. The reason why the Ram got beat is because it could not tow the weight Ram rated it at. Maybe Ram should have rated at a weight it could tow without having to do 30 mph like Ford and Chevy did. I call BS to Rams 15,000 lb tow rating because it could barely do 12,000 lbs. Looking at those tests I would believe the tow ratings that Ford and GM gave their trucks, and believe Ram is living a pipe dream if they think that thing can tow over 15,000 lbs. Also,the $160 camper package only give the F250 the same springs as and F350. It does not make it an F350. Enough about that because I really don't care to waste anymore thought on that useless 6.4L.

Back to what we were originally talking about. Why doesn't Ram rate their 1500s with a higher GVWR than 6,950 lbs in the 2A truck class? All the other class 2A half ton truck have a truck that is higher than 7,000 lbs GVWR so why doesn't Ram? What is the weak link in the truck that is holding them back from giving it a higher GVWR? You would think since they are so bent on being "class leading" them they would do something to raise their GVWR. Why don't they?

It doesn't matter?
Doesn't matter, that F250 was pulling up the Eisenhower 3000 lbs less than RAM 2500 ?
If that doesn't matter, then doesn't matter, that RAM 1500 has less payload than F150, as long as it has more comfortable and safer drive, something what F250 was lacking even with 3000 lbs less payload than RAM. RAM 2500 is from same class like RAM 1500, like ALLL1 said a while ago.It's just different model. Same price like F150 with maxed towing and payload, but with more payload and towing than F150.
Eat your own medicine.

"2500 is NOT a truck class, it is a model number. In fact a Ram 1500 and 2500 are in the same truck class which is class 2."

Posted by: ALLL1 | Sep 30, 2014 1:19:13 PM

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2014/09/ram-ramps-up-ecodiesel-production.html

Nope, it doesn't matter because the Ram 6.4L could not do what Ram said could do while the F250 did what Ford said it could do and the 2500HD did what Chevy said it could do. You said earlier that Ford and GM lie about their ratings. How could one tell if manufacturer lies about its tow rating? By it not being able to do what the manufacturer says it could do. The GM and Ford were able to pull 90% of what they said their truck could do while keeping a reasonable speed, but the Ram 6.4L couldn't.

Then there is the Ike Gauntlet tow tests. They attached the same trailer with the same 12,000 lbs on the back of the lower tow ratingChevy 2500HD 6.0L and a Ram 2500 6.4L. Guess what happened? The Ram 2500 with the 15,000 lb tow rating was doing 30 mph up the hill in first gear while the Chevy 2500HD 6.0L with a 13,000 lb tow rating was able to do at least 55 mph the whole way. Gee, one would think that the Ram 2500 6.4L would have been able to at least keep up with the 2500HD 6.0L since the Ram has a higher towing rating. From the looks of it, it was the 2500HD 6.0L that should have had the higher tow rating, not the Ram 2500 6.4L.

Oh and learn a little more about our class system over here. Yes the 1500 and 2500 are in the same class. However unlike all the other classes, class 2 is divided into two classes. Class 2A is anything with a GVWR of 6,000 to 8,500 lbs and is where all half ton 150/1500 trucks are. Class 2b is from 8,501 to 10,000 lbs GVWR and is where all the three quarter ton 250/2500 trucks are. So yes they are in the same class 2, but the class was divided into class 2A and 2B.

Again, back to what we were originally talking about. Why doesn't Ram rate their 1500s with a higher GVWR than 6,950 lbs in the 2A truck class? All the other class 2A half ton truck have a truck that is higher than 7,000 lbs GVWR so why doesn't Ram? What is the weak link in the truck that is holding them back from giving it a higher GVWR? You would think since they are so bent on being "class leading" them they would do something to raise their GVWR. Why don't they?

Hecho En Mex-Ico V8 - el silencio es ensordecedor

Someone has to corner the BOF sedan with open trunk market.

If anybody need more payload than RAM 1500 can handle, he can buy RAM 2500 from same class 2 and for less money than F150.
RAM 1500 sells well, because it handles any road and any condition better than competition. There is many customers who doesn't need more payload, but appreciate safer, more confident and comfortable drive than competition and still can pull a boat, small trailer ....., go fishing, hunting, load deer on the bed or dirty gears without making mess stink in large SUV.
For anybody else, there is a RAN 2500 or RAM 3500.
It's not like RAM customers doesn't have a choice.
Actually, they have more choices tgan any other truck owners. More engines, include small diesel,
8 speed, air ride. ....
There us nothin to complain about, that's why RAM is growing and Ford is going down, because Ford doesn't offer any of it and more expensive aluminium doesn't cut it.
I can't wait for June numbers.

Soooooo.....Why doesn't Ram rate their 1500s with a higher GVWR than 6,950 lbs in the 2A truck class? All the other class 2A half ton truck have a truck that is higher than 7,000 lbs GVWR so why doesn't Ram? What is the weak link in the truck that is holding them back from giving it a higher GVWR? You would think since they are so bent on being "class leading" them they would do something to raise their GVWR. Why don't they?

f anybody need more payload than RAM 1500 can handle, he can buy RAM 2500 from same class 2 and for less money than F150.
RAM 1500 sells well, because it handles any road and any condition better than competition. There is many customers who doesn't need more payload, but appreciate safer, more confident and comfortable drive than competition and still can pull a boat, small trailer ....., go fishing, hunting, load deer on the bed or dirty gears without making mess stink in large SUV.
For anybody else, there is a RAN 2500 or RAM 3500.
It's not like RAM customers doesn't have a choice.
Actually, they have more choices tgan any other truck owners. More engines, include small diesel,
8 speed, air ride. ....
There us nothin to complain about, that's why RAM is growing and Ford is going down, because Ford doesn't offer any of it and more expensive aluminium doesn't cut it.

Ram 1500s don't have LED headlights. Ram 1500s donn't have a 360 degree camera. Ram 1500s don't have adaptive cruise control. Ram 1500s don't have twin turbo engines. Ram 1500s don't have lane departure warning. Ram 1500s don't have lockers. Ram 1500s don't have magnetic shocks. Ram 1500s don't have am integrated bed step. Ram 1500s don't have direct injection gas engines. I can keep going if you like or are you done naming stuff that each other does have?

Soooooo.....Why doesn't Ram rate their 1500s with a higher GVWR than 6,950 lbs in the 2A truck class? All the other class 2A half ton truck have a truck that is higher than 7,000 lbs GVWR so why doesn't Ram? What is the weak link in the truck that is holding them back from giving it a higher GVWR? You would think since they are so bent on being "class leading" them they would do something to raise their GVWR. Why don't they?

Cool, but I don't think it counts, because ford is going down and RAM is going up every month and never sells better.
I guess customers doesn't really care about those gimmicks. Rear camera is as far as I would go with truck, but ford best feature is a massage chair, because of shortened leafs great payload and harsh driving.

Soooooo.....Why doesn't Ram rate their 1500s with a higher GVWR than 6,950 lbs in the 2A truck class? All the other class 2A half ton truck have a truck that is higher than 7,000 lbs GVWR so why doesn't Ram? What is the weak link in the truck that is holding them back from giving it a higher GVWR? You would think since they are so bent on being "class leading" them they would do something to raise their GVWR. Why don't they?


Also, is that why FCA is looking for someone to buy them? Ram still hasn't even come close to sell as many F series trucks. Until they get within 10,000 trucks in a month then we will talk. Until then, Ram is just a small blip on Ford radar. You can jump for joy over percentage numbers since that is the only thing you can jump for joy on, but it is the amount sold that counts.

You are asking wrong question. It's not like RAM portfolio is missing anything.
Your question has been answered by same class model RAM 2500.
The question is, why ford doesn't have any model with safer, more confident and comfortable driving like RAM 1500 with 8 speed and multilink rear suspension air ride?
That's what customers wants. Not aluminium.

Soooooo.....Why doesn't Ram rate their 1500s with a higher GVWR than 6,950 lbs in the 2A truck class? All the other class 2A half ton truck have a truck that is higher than 7,000 lbs GVWR so why doesn't Ram? What is the weak link in the truck that is holding them back from giving it a higher GVWR? You would think since they are so bent on being "class leading" them they would do something to raise their GVWR. Why don't they?

Nothing is holding them back. The model you are asking for is from the same class 2 , RAM 2500 with miltilink rear coil or air suspension. It outperforms F150 and F250 in any category, mostly payload, comfort, confident drive and handling empty or under heavy load, something F150 or F250 doesn't.

The question is, why ford doesn't have any model with safer, more confident, most fuel efficient and comfortable driving like RAM 1500 Ecodiesel, with 8 speed and multilink rear suspension air ride?

The trend is clear and it's not aluminium. Low oil price is not going to help ford for very, very long time and ford lost momentum the day they decided to go aluminium and forget about small diesel, FE, better handling, comfort and safety.
Low oil pricing is gonna kill new aluminium F150.

Half ton 150/1500 trucks are in class 2A. Three quarter ton 250/2500 trucks are in class 2B. So Ram doesn't mind being the weakest class 2A truck? Thanks for admitting that.

Soooooo.....Why doesn't Ram rate their 1500s with a higher GVWR than 6,950 lbs in the 2A truck class? All the other class 2A half ton truck have a truck that is higher than 7,000 lbs GVWR so why doesn't Ram? What is the weak link in the truck that is holding them back from giving it a higher GVWR? You would think since they are so bent on being "class leading" them they would do something to raise their GVWR. Why don't they?

They are from same class 2 as ALLL1 pointed out long time ago and it doesn't make any difference for any customer , if is it class 2A or 2B. What's most important is specs and price.

The question is, why ford doesn't have any model with safer, more confident, most fuel efficient and comfortable driving like RAM 1500 Ecodiesel, with 8 speed and multilink rear suspension air ride?

ALLL1 was only partially right. Class 2 was devised into to class 2A and 2B. Look it up if you don't believe me. The Ram 1500 is on the bottom of 2A due to its low GVWR. Ram does not have a 2A truck with over 7,000 lbs GVWR. In order to get on then you would have to get a 2500 that gets dismal fuel economy and dismal performance. It sucks that Ram makes you do that and the other truck makes don't.

Soooooo I will keep on aksing.....Why doesn't Ram rate their 1500s with a higher GVWR than 6,950 lbs in the 2A truck class? All the other class 2A half ton truck have a truck that is higher than 7,000 lbs GVWR so why doesn't Ram? What is the weak link in the truck that is holding them back from giving it a higher GVWR? You would think since they are so bent on being "class leading" them they would do something to raise their GVWR. Why don't they?

Class 2
The Class 2 truck gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) ranges from 6001–10000 lb (2722–4536 kg).
Examples of vehicles in this class include the Dodge Ram 2500, Chevrolet Silverado 2500, and the F-250.
Class 2 is subdivided into Class 2a and Class 2b, with class 2a being 6001–8500 lb (2722–3856 kg), and class 2b being 8501–10000 lb (3856–4536 kg). Class 2a is commonly referred to as a light duty truck, with class 2b being the lowest heavy-duty class, also called the light heavy-duty class.

Who cares, if class 2 is subdivided for 6 more subclasses.
It's still Class 2 and doesn't make a difference for anybody.
I can pick any truck from class 2 I want. I picked RAM1500, you picked ford whatever and I can pick RAM2500 anytime I want. What's your problem? Is anybody forcing you to buy a truck from Class 2A?
I won't get straight answer from you I am sure.

The question is, why ford doesn't have any model with safer, more confident, most fuel efficient and comfortable driving like RAM 1500 Ecodiesel, with 8 speed and multilink rear suspension air ride?

Looks like Snivelina is trying once again to worm out of his complete ignorance about cargo capacity and weight class.

Being a Rambot means you forget about a lot of things like the location and numbers on the door tag or was that a complete lack of knowledge or information or perhaps incomprehension of, unawareness of, unconsciousness of, unfamiliarity with, inexperience with, lack of knowledge about, lack of information about; cluelessness about such things as legal cargo capacity.

I can buy any RAM truck from Class 2 with any cargo capacity I want.
I can ignore subclasses, because it doesn't limit any of my decisions.
I check specs and price . That's it.
There is nothing you can do to stop me.

There are many that care which is why Ford and Chevy sale more then Ram each month and each year. Ford, Chevy, and GMC allow their customers to not only tow what they rate their half ton trucks for, but also have the payload to bring the family too. With their trucks people have the ability to haul 2,000 lbs and get better than 13 mpg average fuel economy.

Ram forces their customers to buy a 2500 5.7L or 6.4L that gets DISMAL fuel economy, has DISMAL performance in comparison to the half tons, and there is no short 5.5 bed if you want one. What is the use of touting a 28 mpg truck if it can't do anything truck like with it because the payload is so low? You might as well get an SUV.

I do understand why Ram owners say that 2,000 lbs payload in a half ton is too much though. After all, they drive Ram 1500s which have the lowest GVWR of all the half tons so of course if you only limit yourself to Rams then anything above 1,200 lbs payload is a lot to you. Although that is not the case for other half ton truck owners which is why 2,000 lbs payload in a half ton is not that big shocker. It kind of makes me feel sorry for those Ram guys having to live with such low GVWR and payload numbers in their half tons and if they want anymore then that the Ram forces them to give up their good fuel economy for a pathetic fuel economy in comparison. Why can't Ram just raise their GVWR? If they just strengthened their half tons to handle just 1,000 lb GVWR more than one could be driving an Ecodiesel with 2,000 lbs payload instead of 1,000 in a 4 door 4x4.

Soooooo I will keep on asking.....Why doesn't Ram rate their 1500s with a higher GVWR than 6,950 lbs in the 2A truck class? All the other class 2A half ton truck have a truck that is higher than 7,000 lbs GVWR so why doesn't Ram? What is the weak link in the truck that is holding them back from giving it a higher GVWR? You would think since they are so bent on being "class leading" them they would do something to raise their GVWR. Why don't they?

Ford doesn't sell each month more, but they sell each month less. Lots less. Almost 10%, so your assumptions are wrong.
The short bed F150 with Ecoboost and "extraordinary" FE is so useful, that even ALLL1 has ditched that thing and bought RAM.
No, thank you. I'll buy what I want. RAM gives me more options than anybody else.
Ford doesn't cover all customers needs. RAM does.


"Ford doesn't sell each month more, but they sell each month less. Lots less. Almost 10%, so your assumptions are wrong. "

Uhm, did they teach you math where they come from? Each month Ford sales tens of thousands trucks more than Ram. Each year they sell hundreds of thousands more.

ALLL1 can do what he wants and I really don't care about that or what you want to buy. Of course you will buy a Ram, you are a Ram fan boy so far up Rams @$$ that you like what they tell you to like. Although the last I read he still had his F150 so you saying he ditched it is a lie.

Anyways, back to what we were talking about. Why doesn't Ram rate their 1500s with a higher GVWR than 6,950 lbs in the 2A truck class? All the other class 2A half ton truck have a truck that is higher than 7,000 lbs GVWR so why doesn't Ram? What is the weak link in the truck that is holding them back from giving it a higher GVWR? You would think since they are so bent on being "class leading" them they would do something to raise their GVWR. Why don't they?

Because RAM decided what is it going to be rated for. They don't limit anybody to buy any model and configuration to meet their needs.
On other hand, ford doesn't have as many options RAM does.

The question is, why ford doesn't have any model with safer, more confident, most fuel efficient and comfortable driving like RAM 1500 Ecodiesel, with 8 speed and multilink rear suspension air ride?

They did limit people. Does Ram have a gas engine truck that gets 15-17 mpg combined and has a payload of 2,000 lbs? No, it doesn't, but multiple competitors do. Only a fan boy who lets Ram dictate what he must like and the amount of payload he has to have in his half ton would see having a low payload as a good thing like you do. I find it very funny that you are fighting tooth and nail to get people to accept Ram on the bottom end of the 2A class all because you do not want to admit that Ram does not do everything perfect. Instead of saying "Yeah, it would be nice if Ram 1500s had a higher payload to match it's competition", you just keep defending it because you don't want to admit that Ram has any faults.

Well you may accept low GVWR and payload numbers because Ram tells you to, but I don't. Which is why I ask......Why doesn't Ram rate their 1500s with a higher GVWR than 6,950 lbs in the 2A truck class? All the other class 2A half ton truck have a truck that is higher than 7,000 lbs GVWR so why doesn't Ram? What is the weak link in the truck that is holding them back from giving it a higher GVWR? You would think since they are so bent on being "class leading" them they would do something to raise their GVWR. Why don't they?

BTW, lets see how far we can take this because I am not going to stop.

What is the point of an Ecodiesel truck if you do not have the payload to use it as a truck?

Why would I care if Ford has an 8 speed when the 3.5L EB already smokes the Hecho En Mex-Ico Hemi 5.7L in performance tests and it gets better fuel economy with it's 6 speed? Who needs the two extra gears when you are already beating the competition with what you got?

RAM has model you are asking for . It's RAM 2500 with 5.7 HEMI which is averaging 16 -17 Mpg from fuelly.

http://www.fuelly.com/car/ram/2500/2014

Your assumptions are wrong. Ford doesn't smoke anything without power braking, certainly not Mpg.
You started to sound like broken record ALLL1.
Nice try BTW.



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