2017 Raptor Wraps Desert Testing

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Many were shocked when Ford pulled the wraps off the 2017 Ford Raptor at this year's North American International Auto Show, almost two years ahead of the vehicle's on-sale date. Our Raptor video, shot on the floor of the show soon after its debut in the Ford booth, has been one of our most popular to date.

Now Ford is saying that its desert-testing program for the new truck is nearly complete, and it's discovered some interesting performance information regarding the high-performance EcoBoost-equipped specialty pickup.

When tested over the same 66-mile, open-country Borrego Springs, Calif., test course (used specifically for Raptor testing and meant to duplicate much of the terrain and many of the obstacles found on the brutal Baja 1000 race course in Mexico), Ford engineers found they had an all-aluminum Raptor that finished the course 25 percent faster than before. The 66-mile course is full of sand washes, rutted two-track trails, steep hill climbs and rock-crawling sluices; at certain points speeds can exceed 100 mph, while others require slowing to 10 mph or below.

It's worth noting the original Raptor (tested at the same facility) had a 5.4-liter SOHC V-8; the 6.2-liter was standard in 2011. We're told the 2017 test Raptor used during this testing phase had a mix of parts from 2015 and 2017 Raptors, but did have the exclusively designed high-output 3.5-liter EcoBoost, reported to offer as much as 400 horsepower, and a brand-new 10-speed paddle-shifting transmission.

The 2017 Ford Raptor is scheduled to go on sale in the fall of 2016.

For more details on the desert testing, click here.

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What a pile of junk! Only 400 horse WEAK!!!!!!

I've seen Chuck Taylor's mouth put out more then 400 hp. They should strap that boy under the hood with a set of bike pedels. They could get 500 easy then LMAO!

I've seen Chuck Taylor's mouth put out more then 400 hp. They should strap that boy under the hood with a set of bike pedels. They could get 500 easy then LMAO!

I've seen Chuck Taylor's mouth put out more then 400 hp. They should strap that boy under the hood with a set of bike pedels. They could get 500 easy then LMAO!

Nice looking truck, I just don't like that soft of a suspension, they seem to roll heavily around corners and sag when a motorcycle is in the back end. I guess that is better then rattling ones brains like some trucks

Hideous as ever

Where's cheby's truck at? Sure don't see them out there with anything close. All the cheby"s are waiting in line for their special edition hood stripping! How lame!! Ha!! Ha!!

@Dave - "old school" orthodoxy dictated that a springs/leafs had to be stiff to be effective off-road.

That is incorrect.

The spring rates to be effective need to be firm enough to carry just the weight of the vehicle, fuel, and operators. That is ideal for racing.
A truck marketed to the public must have some cargo capacity. The Raptor's traditionally lower capacity is due to the need for softer spring rates to minimize how they affect wheel travel.

The shocks/dampers do the job of controlling wheel travel velocity and control minimizing bottoming out. They do not carry load.

Sway/roll bars control lean but once again if they are too stiff like springs they will interfere with wheel travel. Power Wagon or Rubicon deals with that by electronic disconnect but the guys I've talked to say that it only works well for "dry" rock crawling. Mud and dirt has a way of jamming up the reconnect.

The Raptor compromises cargo capacity for suspension efficacy. The Current Power Wagon ALSO does the same thing with it's 1500 cargo rating. Springs off of a "normal" 3/4 ton would interfere with wheel travel.

@Lou, Dave - Also, normal truck leaf-springs can send a truck ass_over_tea_kettle when jumped, even mildly. Simply bouncing down a steep downhill dirt road can do. It's the sudden release of energy, from springs meant for heavy loads, not aggessive off road.

Unless it is actual single/dual clutch sequential gearbox (doubtful) it is not a "paddle shifted" it's just a regular old sloppy automatic transmission just with a button mounted to the steering wheel instead of bumping the shifter on the console.

And yes there is a very real difference between the two.

DenverIIIMike - what you describe is classic. Stiff springs coupled with shocks that have insufficient rebound damping.

IIRC Ford did toy with the idea of adjustable shocks but for most drivers they would just end up making a mess of the suspension.
I have always loved the adjustability of MX and hardcore offroad bikes. Same can be said for sport bikes.

he drive in the sand wow what a discovery,,,

HA! And everyone says the Ram rebel grill is ugly and the big tailgate letters (they are right IMO) but you call this any better???? HELLOoooooo................

Looks a lot better!!

Why won't my comments post on this article? The Chevy guys must be running this site now.

We are

Ford should have reworked its 6.2 for this application, easily should have been able to get 450HP out of it without using those crappy Ecobusts, maybe they need GM engine engineers to come over and show them how to make V8's.

There will be close to 500 ft lbs of torque at a low 2000 rpm. This truck will be impressive.... Who cares what it sounds like as it will dominate any other factory pickup in just about anything!!!!!!!

I hope both Ram and G.M. would build a Raptor fighter in the near future. I don't believe you can get a Ram Runner kit for late model Rams. I personally have no use for an expensive one trick pony. I need a rig that can do it all. I am going to start with a Power Wagon and go from their. Suspension companies are still developing their products for the newer Power Wagons. My current 1/2 ton Ram has adjustable suspension. I turn it to 9 when going fast through whups. Keeps it from hitting the bump stops.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r7dAXcYbS8

@GM man, Yeah take Ford back to PUSH-RODS AND LIFTERS, which need large displacement in order to make power (only 2 valves per cylinder). And we can go back to engine flushing around 140,000 miles to prevent lifter tap (tap, tap, tap, tap, tap), oh yeah have to watch the rpms do want to bend rods.

BUT HELL WE ALL KNOW THAT GM PUSH-ROD MOTORS ARE SUPERIOR TO FORD DOHC, TWIN TURBOS, DIRECT INJECTION, HIGH STRENGTH ALLOYS, FORGED PISTONS, CONNECTING RODS, AND CRANKSHAFT. BETTER YET WHY DO TOYOTA, NISSAN, HONDA, SUBARU, BMW, MERCEDES, AND REST GO BACK TO USING PUSH-RODS!!!

@GM Man

Chevy still using Grandma's 1955 design 16valves/pushrods engines.

It's known fact that Chevy need an extra 100cid or more to make the same power as a Ford.

Example:(2) naturally aspirated V8 engines

Camaro Z28, 7.0L/427cid makes 505hp.
Mustang GT350, 5.2L/316cid makes 526hp.

@Chucky Cheese aka Lalawoodie,

BUT HELL WE ALL KNOW THAT GM PUSH-ROD MOTORS ARE SUPERIOR TO FORD DOHC, TWIN TURBOS, DIRECT INJECTION, HIGH STRENGTH ALLOYS, FORGED PISTONS, CONNECTING RODS, AND CRANKSHAFT. BETTER YET WHY DO TOYOTA, NISSAN, HONDA, SUBARU, BMW, MERCEDES, AND REST GO BACK TO USING PUSH-RODS!!!

Yes GM is better, thanks for agreeing lalawoodie


A key to engine building is how many ponies you can pump out per pound, and that is exactly why Chevy went to such great length to minimize the engine’s weight. In fact, this 6.2-liter engine weighs just 465 lbs and is 25.3 inches tall. To put that into perspective, the ultra-powerful BMW 4.4-liter V-8 is mammoth when compared to the LT1, measuring 29.6 inches tall and weighing 503 lbs. To boot, the 4.4-liter powerplant falls 50 horsepower short of GM’s new LT1 engine. This gives the LT1 6.2-liter a 1.033-pound-per-horsepower to 1.257-pound-per-horsepower victory over the fame Bimmer engine.

The truck is stack in the sand in pics 2 and 3. This was pointed out earlier. Why would ford choose to show these pics? Don't get it. How do you finish 25% faster when the truck is stack?

@GM Man
I agree with you that the LT1 is a very impressive motor besides the fact that it's very complex lol. But you and I both know that if GM had focused on making big power from small displacement then you would see that as the holy grail of engine design. Power to weight ratio and hp/cubic inch are both important metrics when designing an engine. So while the LT1 is a very impressive motor, it is not the perfect design.

@GM Man,

Guys talk about HorsePower not how tall or fat your engine is? Only some Chevy Bozo would come up with that lame excuse why there engine is better than your engine. LOL

actually it was leaked several months ago that the ecoboost in the new raptor will have at least 450 hp..

latwoods If you'd learn to change you're oil like you should you don't get lifter tap for a long, long time and many miles. Also there is a reason for a rev limited to keep from over reving the engine and keep valves from floating and bending push rods. If you disable the rev limited and don't got enough of a brain to upgrade valve springs for what you want out of the engine then you deserve a bent push rod.

You can keep you're DOHC trash that more then likely will trash the whole engine if something happens to go a miss. We GM guys will enjoy a replace of a much easier and cheaper $20 push rod vs a $200 to $400 cam on a DOHC Ford.

I am leaning toward Icon system for the Power Wagon with 37" tires and an AEV front/rear bumper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjo8PWp_-0s

http://www.aev-conversions.com/vehicles/ram

@Johnny Doe Boy.

I guess your not much of a mechanic. It a known fact if you bend a pushrod, you have already flatten that cam lobe. It will cost you more than a $20 pushrod to fix that problem.

Chucky Taylor A bent push rod doesn't mean a flatten cam lobe. I've seen many bent push rods with no cam damage, mostly from ford tools like you and latwoods.

By the way did Ford build them bike peddels for you to power their new turd Craptor yet? LMMFAO!

Chucky Taylor A bent push rod doesn't mean a flatten cam lobe. I've seen many bent push rods with no cam damage, mostly from ford tools like you and latwoods.

By the way did Ford build them bike peddels for you to power their new turd Craptor yet? LMMFAO!

@Johnny Doe Boy.

most Chevy engine don't make much horsepower to start with, so a flatten lobe or two isn't going to make that much difference for that boat anchor. LOL

With the well known problems with the Eco Boost stalling,stumbling,and shuddering. I wonder what is going to happen when the intercooler gets wet, dirty, and muddy?
Four wheel mag was able to get the Eco Boost in limp mode when spirited driving. Now they are going to add more heat while turning up the wick. I guess time will tell. Four wheeler also said the exhaust note was pathetic.

Chuck Taylor As proven many times over GM build's better over all drive trains. They don't need to make the most hp tq to b slap a Ford in the ball sack.

Get with the times Hemi V8...... That was 2012. The same mag recently tested the 2015 ecoboost and it delivered stellar offroad 4x4 fx4 and had it for 2400 miles to test. It delivered 21.9 mpg highway from the 3.5 eco with 4 guys and all there luggage. The worst the mpg they got was 17.9 and delivered an awesome 18.9 mpg average over 2400 miles of mixed highway and offroad driving. They couldn't get over how great the handling and ability offroad and how much low end power the ecoboost had while delivering outstanding fuel economy!!!!

Get with the times Hemi V8...... That was 2012. The same mag recently tested the 2015 ecoboost and it delivered stellar offroad 4x4 fx4 and had it for 2400 miles to test. It delivered 21.9 mpg highway from the 3.5 eco with 4 guys and all there luggage. The worst the mpg they got was 17.9 and delivered an awesome 18.9 mpg average over 2400 miles of mixed highway and offroad driving. They couldn't get over how great the handling and ability offroad and how much low end power the ecoboost had while delivering outstanding fuel economy!!!!

Wheres chevy someone asked? They are only worried about the small car/truck crossovers anymore, the real trucks are made by Ford and Ram, no wonder this site only has articles mostly related to Ford/Ram, it because the twins are trying to catch up to 2009 still.

Pretty pictures. But heck, its stuck in the sand like a horny toad lizard. Lol.
I quess it doesn't have enough aluminium. Haha

OMG Johnny Doe Boy came out of the Closet saying that Ford's engines make more horsepower than Chevy engines. lol

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Hahahahahahahahahahah GM is theasy garbage maker

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Hahahahahahahahahahah GM is the garbage maker

I wouldn't own a ford truck made after 79 but I do applaud their effort with the raptor. Too bad most will live out as status symbols like hummers and never see dirt

anything about the raptor sure brings out the childish comments. At the end of the day most men that have reached puberty would agree it's a pretty sweet truck. I understand why it doesn't have much payload capacity, but I sure wish it could have more. To me the big question is will the regular f150 and f250 have the 10 speed transmission for the 2017 model year or will it only be in the raptor the first year?

More time to laugh at Ecobust Owners

Ford F150 3.5L Ecoboost Rattle Upon Start Up- Timing Chain Stretch Issues

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt3ac_H8wL0

@GM Man, Eco Burst is Garbage.

I guess time will tell us once again about the old Ford vs. Chevy engine debate, But if history tells us one thing, (besides always repeating itself) is how many old Ford cars and trucks do we ALL see running around with good old Chevy engines in them? or old Chevy cars and truck running around with old Ford engines in them? Yea just as I thought, there are NO old Chevys running around with Ford engines is them, but there are thousands of old Ford cars and trucks running around, Still, with Chevy engines in them, or at least those still on the road anyway! So with all that said, all these EcoBoost Ford this and that today, that will still be running 30- 50 years from now? they (if history tells us anything) will only still be running around with Chevy engines in them!!!!

Seems about right........ CLEARLY in the super cab photos you can see the pile of junk is STUCK......... the 3rd pic the tire is throwing a rooster that proves its in reverse............. stuck LMAO

Please ,could anyone tell me #150,250,&350 mean? because 1 ton = 2000 lb. thank.

@johnny doe
Hell I have only own ONE vehicle with a push-rod engine, and the durability was horrible!!!!!!!!!!!!! to much damn babying especially when the mileage passed 130,000 miles. I know you are like most women and can tell me have often I change my oil???????????????????? SOHC and DOHC engine breaking cams?????????????????????????? 1994 Ford Ranger 320,000 miles 2.3L 4 cyl SOHC no cam problems, 2005 Nissan Altima 2.5 L 4 cyl DOHC 240,000 miles no cam problems, 2007 Toyota Tacoma 2.7L 4 cyl DOHC 170,000 miles no cam problems, and 2011 Toyota 4Runner 4.0L V-6 DOHC 110,000 miles no cam problems!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU NEED TO EDUCATE YOUR SELF ON THE REASONS WHY ALL MAJOR AUTOMOTIVE COMPANIES EXCEPT GM (V-8'S AND V-6) AND RAM (V-8)NOW USES SOHC AND DOHC ENGINES. THE HELL WITH REPLACING BENT RODS, AND BABYING THE RPMS FOR FEAR OF ENGINE DAMAGE. IF IM GOING TO SPEND $35,000 TO $55,000 ON A TRUCK IT BETTER BE ENGINEERED WITH NO ENGINE PROBLEMS FOR THE FIRST 200,000 MILES. IM ALL ABOUT DURABILITY WITH HIGH MILEAGE!!

EVEN GM AND CHRYSLER, HAVE STOPPED BUILDING PUSH-ROD MOTORS FOR THERE CARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"CAN YOU DIGG IT"


Chevy still using Grandma's 1955 design 16valves/pushrods engines.

It's known fact that Chevy need an extra 100cid or more to make the same power as a Ford.

Example:(2) naturally aspirated V8 engines

Camaro Z28, 7.0L/427cid makes 505hp.
Mustang GT350, 5.2L/316cid makes 526hp.

Posted by: Chuck Taylor | Jul 9, 2015 9:59:10 PM
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Thats funny, because if you were to look at a powergraph *cough* http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i169/bigregss/image.jpg1_4.jpg

you will see that the "old" pushrod LS7 produces MORE Horsepower and Torque than Ford's Voodoo engine until you pass 6500 rpm's.
The Voodoo may beat the LS7 in peak horsepower, but for anything under 6500rpm's the LS7 still holds the crown. Should be intersting to see real world numbers once the cars become available.



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