Ford Trail Tests 2017 F-150 Raptor

Raptor-Prototype-Test 1 II

The last time we saw the new Raptor, it was being tortured in the high-temperature deserts of California, axle deep in sand. Now, Ford is doing more 2017 Ford F-150 Raptor testing, but this time in the hills of northern Michigan, and from the looks of it, Ford is fine-tuning the Raptor's four-wheel-drive low-range settings. We're told this new Raptor will have better ground clearance, fording depths and a more capable four-wheel-drive system. We know it will keep using the heavy-duty, external-reservoir Fox Racing Shox. We'll know more as we get closer to the new Raptor's on-sale date, tentatively slated for September 2016.

We have just one piece of advice for Ford here; please make sure you don't allow any Raptor off the line in such a light-swallowing dark color. This new-generation Raptor already has a more subtle design look--we don't need to make it look any more similar to a normal F-150 with dull colors. 

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I liked the previous grill. This is not too aggressive looking.

This is a mule. Not what it will finally look like.

450+ hp. 10 speed transmission. New torque management transfer case/4x4 system. 6 electronic terrain management system, fox 3.0 shocks. All at a price similar to a v8 rebel. This is what an offroad package should be. Also it doesn't look like this as they have already shown the real exterior at the auto shows. They will sell a bunch!!!

That's some rough testing . Watch out Rebel and Power Wagon! We will test it for 2 more years to get rid of that squeaky noise. We think, we know, where it comes from. I guess. I mean I am positive. I am positive ,we should find out soon. Definitely before 2017. I know for sure ,it's not from 10 speed. We don't have any yet. It could be from speakers to simulate tire slippage on asphalt road.The 10 cameras software doesn't recognize mud yet. It has some bugs we are working on. Last time I drove this model ,I could hear birds singing in LA downtown from the speakers. What a nice truck. I specially like that chromed bumper. It scares squirrels of the road, when they see their own mirror. Feature I am proud to be working on for last 3 years. We needed to edit this footage heavily and make some cuts, because Raptor couldn't make it over some obstacles and we needed to pull it with Honda Foreman 350 . You can see only , when Raptor is over any obstacle already, or going downhill. Raptor is light , so no problem at all and final version will make it without Honda help. Downhill.



@Ford Engineer
That is how most should be tested Off Road, well at least here.
http://s3.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Volkswagen-Amarok-off-road-9.jpg

Time will tell how good those new chassis are from Ford with the new Raptor. That is from the serious off roaders.

The biggest obstacle most Raptors will encounter is a speed bump in a shopping centre.

I do like the Raptor, but a diesel version would be ideal and also with at least a 2500lb payload. Then you can load up the vehicle and head off into the bush for extended periods.

They are more or less a pose machine or an oversized quad.

@Scott

Wow, all that and didn't show a thing I couldn't or haven't done in my $4500 stock 94 2 door Yukon. 200hp 4 speed with a manual 4wd shifter.

@Scott

Wow, all that and didn't show a thing I couldn't or haven't done in my $4500 stock 94 2 door Yukon. 200hp 4 speed with a manual 4wd shifter.

@jack
Well of course you can mod any rig to do that.... Many stock rigs will do that. That test was nothing special. The point is that this is the best offroad package in a pickup offered and has been the best offroad package offered since 2010 for a pickup. Ram power wagon is another great package as well as the red pro packages on the tundra. Rebels and z71's are skid plate and sticker packages that cost near the same as a raptor. Once these raptors get in the publics hands you will see these things pushed to the max and aftermarket will start modding these things into extreme machines like they have with the last gen raptor.... but in box stock form this is the best offering of any manufacture.

Thanks Ford Engineer! You made my day....hahaha

@Robert,
I don't think that Amarok got out of it by its own? Did it? :)

I really don't get what this video is showing? other than the obvious, you guys over estimate these trucks, their are cars this can do this stock. guess its just a promo/advertising scheme.

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Scott,
Your comment;

"best offroad package in a pickup offered"

I beg to differ. Maybe in the US.

Their is no mistaking that V6 engine sound. Looks like they are working on technical slow 4 wheeling. Some complained of a harsh ride going slow.

"in box stock form this is the best offering of any manufacture."


Posted by: Scott | Aug 22, 2015 3:09:20 PM

I agree with Big Al, I beg to differ. Maybe in 1/2 ton form. It depends what you are looking for in an off road package. This Raptor package leans toward open flat high speed desert.

The new Raptor is more versatile off-roader, rather then a specialised desert vehicle. They seem to have taken the RAM Power Wagon approach this time.

Thats rough testing????. .. thats what I did on an easy day when I had my 05 duramax (6" lift and 35s) but still. .. that could have all been done in a stock 1/2 ton from any mfg....its still a nice set up and can do more than most.. but that testing was a joke...

@Gregory J,
Yes it was part of a 4x4 Magazine test. Others are as capable Off Road

@Gregory J
Here is a YouTube video of the Amarok and an old Nissan Patrol at a place called Newnes , known for Gloworm caves , old Shale oil mine and freezing cold winds. Yes I have been a couple of times.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b5xvRwTlUnM

@GM corporate couldn't care less...
Yes, it was really rough testing for us engineers. We needed to get tons of find soil all over the roads, we got stuck with Raptor at the belly over high log step and needed to edit footage heavily,because of fcucking Honda help and it was very hard to modify muddy pool to get right depth,so it won't spill it over intercooler through the bumper opening, when crossing at supper high speed 2Mph.
Rough testing indeed,because we broke 4 Raptors this time. I am still shaking, but we made. Enjoy the video and stay tuned.
We will post a video how Raptor runs in heavy rain. Not just on the road ,but in the lab!


See you made it back tom#3, or should I say Ford Engineer. You must have been up at hemiv8's house. Guess y'all go to school together.

@Truckcrazy
I am not a tom3 and I would never go to hemiv8's house. I am loyal Ford Engineer. Nobody pays more for this rough testing than Ford. We build a cold arctic weather testing facility in Florida and hot Death Valley one in North West Territories.
When locals see some testing like this, it's even more extreme for them and they buy our trucks just in case. You know, it could get very hot up North and arctic cold in Florida overnight suddenly.
We call it Double Extreme Testing. Nobody else does that. Not even Honda. Sorry, I can't get that Honda Foreman help out of my head, but Foreman is very cheaply made. It's missing almost everything Raptor has.
Like roof, massage chair...It doesn't have steering wheel. Something we use since Model T !


@tom#3, yeah your real smart there. You got to be related to hemiv8. How's it feel riding that little short bus together??

It will probably be the best off-road full size truck but will still sound terrible.

I love all the disclaimers, it will probably say in the owners manual "any offroading is considered abuse, and will not be warrantied"

I know some local people that actually used their Raptors as they were designed or at least marketed by Ford, and they had warranty claims denied due to "offroad abuse". Multiple CV axles and power steering pumps were the 2 big items and Ford give them a big F you on the warranty claim. These people either sold their raptors or went with aftermarket parts that are actually "designed" to be used offroad, not looking like it's an offroader but really a street queen.

AD Agreed a eco boost truck drove by my house yesterday with a aftermarket exhaust. The thing sounded like a 90s Pontiac grand am with a bad exhaust leak LOL!

If the payload is like a normal f150 it will be a good truck. The power wagon isnt built how it should be anyway. should have leafs up front, a hitch in front for a removable winch to be put on the back. Also should be built for real work like snow plowing in the mountains.

These photos of off road arent much of anything other than the backyards of us mountain folk. my driveway has bigger boulders in it.. the ruts i have are from 150hp tractors.. only truck making will need to have some mods. point is these are built for a normal consumer which some like me are not. I think the raptor is actually better purpose built for the american market than a powerwagon that doesnt know if it wants to be the grocery getter or the trail rig.. If the powerwagon was miltarized with heavy hauling capabilities like the ones we used to have then it is something to look at, otehrwise its more of a poser than a f150 that can go 80 mph across a whoops section that would bust or bend the ram.

The problem for me with trucks like the Raptor and the Rebel is they have expensive suspension systems that are good for an average truck owner. Both trucks have better than regular stock ground clearance. I would not choose these vehicles for modifying the suspension. The Power Wagon is great compared to all other stock trucks for it's ground clearance steel protection underneath lockers, winch. The Power Wagon makes most sense to modify. Lift, shocks etc.. Lifting the raptor changes the purpose of the raptor's high speed low wide stance. Lifting the rebel throws those expensive air shocks in the trash.

The problem for me with trucks like the Raptor and the Rebel is they have expensive suspension systems that are good for an average truck owner. Both trucks have better than regular stock ground clearance. I would not choose these vehicles for modifying the suspension. The Power Wagon is great compared to all other stock trucks for it's ground clearance steel protection underneath lockers, winch. The Power Wagon makes most sense to modify. Lift, shocks etc.. Lifting the raptor changes the purpose of the raptor's high speed low wide stance. Lifting the rebel throws those expensive air shocks in the trash.

Here we gooooooo!

" If the powerwagon was miltarized with heavy hauling capabilities like the ones we used to have then it is something to look at, otehrwise its more of a poser than a f150 that can go 80 mph across a whoops section that would bust or bend the ram."


Posted by: fhun | Aug 23, 2015 12:41:28 PM

Didn't we see the 2009 Fully boxed frame Ram Runner run circles around the Raptor in the desert with no damage to the frame? Didn't we see the Raptor having the frames bent at high speed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMz3OY1Gx9A


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4s-QKqFjR94

The rebel is a piece of crap, not even in the same league as the raptor. Even fiat admits it. The TRD pro is better than either. Sure it can't run through the desert at 80 mph. but how many raptor owners do that anyway? The trd pro is a better daily truck and much more reliable.

@America Bails Out Chrysler
I disagree with everything you said.

@America Bails Out Chrysler
I disagree with everything you said.

@America Bails Out Chrysler
I disagree with everything you said.

@America Bails Out Chrysler
I disagree with everything you said.

@hemiV8, didn't we see that jc whitney ram runner disappear? It was not a factory truck but it was a truck you had to buy a package for and have someone install it for you. Just order that crap from jc whitney. Where is the ram runner now?????? Your stupidity never ceases to amaze.

@America Bails Out Chrysler
I disagree with everything you said.

Posted by: Ford Engineer | Aug 23, 2015 5:23:25 PM

Me too. I like the Rebel styling better than the Toyota TRD. Rebel has more Horsepower more torque. More towing more payload. Better transmission 8 speed. Suspension when you need it. Aero when you don't. Hemi has been on Wards best at least 6 times. 33 inch tires and 17 " rims vs 18" 32 . Ram offers better tire. I do like the 4.30 gear in the Toyota though. That's not hard to change in the Ram.

Ram runner was a great aftermarket kit. Even the designer called ram out later in there aftermarket modding of ram venture. The designer doesn't have very much good to say about Ram as a company. Also the problem with a Ram runner is the cost.
http://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/ram-runner-developer-calls-chrysler-out-for-half-assed-1558444887

Whether you like the test or you don't, at least it was taken off-road and it's not as easy as it looks, some fairly challenging hills are there.

GM took their Z71 out in a field with Howie Long. Ram showed the Ram Rebel on a dry grassy field and gravel roads.

When this truck has 4.56 gears, flexy solid axles, factory winch, factory Duratrac tires, and real locking diffs at both ends call me. Until then it's just an over-priced F-150.

Did anyone notice the WARNING!!!!! for water crossing deeper than the wheel hubs. lol That's what your expensive turbo V6 will get ya. Can the Ford fans repeat after me. Limp mode Lilly. Ford is going to build the baddest off roader in U.S. history. Just don't get it wet ,dirty or muddy LMFAO! I agree with Big Al Ford sells should continue down.


Power Wagon can cross 30" of water.

Stay thirsty. ;-)



@HemiV8 - fjording depth has little to do with the turbo's on the F150. It has to do more with differential vents and transmission vents. My very first truck I added tubing to all of the vents and ran them up high into the body or box sides of the truck and added 1 way valves. I never had a problem.

The Ram 1500 and the rest of the Ram line-up also is rated the same as the Ford F150 which is hub deep.

The Power Wagon obviously has been modified to increase fjording depth.

If it makes you feel any better I googled the depth of Ram trucks and found multiple examples of Ram trucks going into limp mode due to water crossings.

It will be interesting to see the capacity specs on the 2017 Raptor. Most F150's saw an increase in capacity. If the Raptor sees an increase it will be on par with the Power Wagon.

You keep saying you want the increased capacity of a 3/4 ton but the PW has 1/2 specs comparable to middle of the road 1/2 ton trucks. You'd be much better off with a regular 3/4 truck with added mods to put it on par with the PW. At least that way you won't be overloading the truck.

HemiV8 - Fjording depth of Raptor - 30".

Owned!

When this truck has 4.56 gears, flexy solid axles, factory winch, factory Duratrac tires, and real locking diffs at both ends call me. Until then it's just an over-priced F-150.


Posted by: WXman | Aug 24, 2015 12:16:45 PM

@Lou_BC, How is the low hanging inter cooler going to handle mud, dirt packed into it? When you are off road in 4 low and your on the gas (high r.p.m.) trying to get through the mud?
Not much air flow while off roading on a slow challenging trail.


http://www.f150forum.com/f38/ford-f-150-ecoboost-problems-limp-mode-many-other-issues-157704/

HEMI V8 - the new Power Wagon NO LONGER has 4.56 gears.

So that means it is crap???????

Does the new Raptor have a lower mounted intercooler?

Is the Raptor 3.5 EB motor the same as the F150?

I found pages and pages of "limp home" Ram's looking to confirm fjording depth.

Air ride has multiple reports of overheating and limp mode. That will bode well for that Ram Rebel.

@Lou_BC, So that's it. Answer all my questions with questions?

I don't think that Eco Burst is a good engine for the Raptor. Even Ford knows this engine is not good for heavy duty applications like snow plowing.

BREAKING NEWS: SRT Hellcats And HEMIs Set To Die In 2019

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1099646_breaking-srt-hellcats-and-hemis-set-to-die-in-2019

Hmm not a total surprise here...given how badly Dodge has to be hurting in the CAFE dept vs GM or Ford, who have Hybrids.

Also shows that Ford was way ahead of the power curve with introducing the Ecoboost engines 5 years ago.



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