A Weighty Issue: Calculating Real-World Payload, Towing Capacities

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Many readers noted that the 2015 Ram 1500 Rebel in our 2015 4x4 Challenge had just 900 pounds of calculated — the word "calculated" is key here — payload capacity. As we noted in the story, we weighed both of our test pickup trucks (the other pickup was a 2015 Toyota Tundra TRD Pro) at a recently certified truck scale. The Rebel had a full tank of gas and an empty bed and cab, and weighed in at 5,900 pounds. We then subtracted 5,900 from 6,800 pounds to get our 900-pound payload figure. Our test Rebel's door label showed 947 pounds of payload capacity. (You can find a midsize or half-ton pickup's manufacturer payload number on a label inside the driver's side door.)

All this is interesting because we were told the short-bed Rebel crew cab (with a Hemi V-8 and a RamBox) had a towing capacity of around 10,000 pounds. That seemed odd to us, because it doesn't follow the Society of Automotive Engineers' J2807 standard requirement of 10 percent of towing capacity for the recommended tongue weight. Following that formula, the Rebel's 10,000 pounds of towing capacity would have put us 100 pounds over our 900-pound max payload capacity, and that's before adding a driver, passenger or cargo. We should also note that SAE J2807 criteria recommends, before adding tongue weight, adding 300 pounds for passengers as well as 25 to 65 pounds for the receiver and trailer hitch or weight-distributing hitch.

Discarding a 9,000- or 10,000-pound trailer capacity for the Rebel and backing into what the real towing capacity should be based on the SAE requirements, here's what we get: Using 900 pounds of calculated payload capacity and subtracting 300 pounds for passengers leaves us with 600 pounds or so of payload. That means a maximum towing capacity of 6,000 pounds if we use the SAE-recommended 10 percent tongue weight number. But that assumes we can't or won't add any cargo to the bed or carry any passengers in the backseat. If we add a few passengers and cargo, we're down to 300 pounds or less of payload capacity. Does that mean real-world towing capacity — based on the SAE J2807 recommendations — of around 3,000 pounds for a full-size half-ton pickup truck with a V-8?

What does all this mean for pickup owners? It means you need to pay careful attention to your particular truck's capacities. We highly recommend, no matter which manufacturer makes your pickup truck, taking your pickup to your local truck stop or department of motor vehicles and getting the actual weight of your truck. Remember to take all the junk out of the bed and cab. Subtract that number weight from the GVWR posted on the door label. If your truck does not have a door label with that information, it may be in the glove box or the owner's manual. Calculating your truck's real-world payload capacity will help you learn exactly how much weight your truck can carry. That number needs to include tongue weight if you tow. Don't be one of those people who think they can hook up a trailer to their bumper or fifth-wheel and pull it safely.

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We also should note that the EPA allows manufacturers to list a maximum tow rating based on only a few simple criteria such as engine size, cab configuration and presumed weight. That's why a Ram 1500 Rebel crew-cab Hemi can get away with listing a towing capability of 10,000 pounds even though it's much heavier than just about any other four-door V-8 pickup Ram sells.

To be specific, our 4x4 Ram Rebel came with the four-corner air suspension (very heavy), the RamBox (also heavy), a spray-in bedliner (surprisingly heavy), much bigger wheels and tires (heavy), and lots of other optional equipment, all of which is not on a stripped 4x2 crew-cab Ram Express Hemi, which actually does and should have a max tow rating closer to 10,000 pounds.

With all that said, we thought it might be interesting to look at each of the three top-selling half-ton pickups — the Chevrolet Silverado 1500, Ford F-150 and Ram 1500 — to see what kind of GVWR and maximum towing capacity range they offer for 2016 models in their different cab configurations: regular cab, extended cab and crew cab. The results are interesting.

 

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Again, what does all this mean? At the very least, it points to the need for truckmakers to more clearly communicate to their customers the appropriate weights they can expect their truck to safely carry and tow. We don't want anyone to find themselves in the position of finding out the new pickup they just bought can safely carry only half the weight they thought it could or only tow a boat half the size of the one in their driveway.

It's worth noting that Ford seems to have the widest GVW ranges of any half-ton maker, which seems to translate into a higher max tow rating range. Ram seems to have the narrowest GVW range (certainly for their extended and crew cabs), and some of the smallest max tow ratings. Of course, the range differences in both GVW and tow capacity have a great deal to do with what engine, axle gears, and driveline configurations are selected. 

What worries us is that even if this information is much less complicated than it seems here, we know you're not going to get a straight explanation from a sales person who might not have any idea what the difference is between a gross vehicle weight rating and a gross combined weight rating. To be safe, pickup owners need to arm themselves with the right information about their pickup. In the meantime, you can count on us to keep pushing truckmakers to do a better job.

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Comments

I would not recommend anyone buying a Ram 1/2 ton if they ever plan on hauling anything more than it says on the door! You either haul people, or toys, but NOT both! I am glad I found this out before buying one! When the time comes to get a new 1/2t truck, I will have to stay with the Chevy, as I have tried a Ford, and will not go that way either!


Posted by: Sandman4x4 | Oct 29, 2015 11:11:54 PM

Seriously? I have a 2003 Ram Hemi 1500 that tows my 7,000lbs trailer toy hauler empty and with 1,000lbs water and three Yamaha YZ450's in the soft dune sand. Truck is rated @7,400 tow 1240 payload. Truck now has 35's on stock 20 inch rims aluminum. Still rims boost towing by a 1,000 lbs. Truck climbs cajon pass @70 Mph 5,500RPM sucking gas and hauling @$$. That Hemi with 4.56 gears will haul the mail. Guess you sandman have never owned a Hemi Ram. So common among the $#!^ talking phucks agaist DODGE

@Hemi V8

I think you don't quite understand the difference of a C-channel frame and a fully boxed frame. They both have their advantages and disadvantages, and calling a C-channel frame "weaker" than a fully boxed frame is a very inaccurate statement.

A C-channel frame is just as strong as a fully boxed frame. Afterall, Ram, Ford, or GM, would not use a C-channel frame in their medium duty 450/4500 and 550/5500 trucks if it wasn't.

The advantages of a C-channel frame are that they are easier for upfitters to add things like utility beds and dump beds to which is why they are used on ALL OF THE MAKES cab and chassis trucks. Another advantage is that the bed does not have to be so high which is a big plus or truck owners that have to use their truck bed a lot or tow gooseneck and fifth wheel trailers a lot. The downside of a C-channel frame is that they are not as rigid as a fully boxed frame, and tend to flex more due to there design. Although this in many ways is good for off road vehicles since it adds to the suspensions ability to articulate and keep the both tires on the ground as much as possible. On road, this could hinder handling making the the truck not as stiff and able to handle turns as well. This flex however should not be ignorantly mistaken for them being weaker in any way.

The advantages of a fully boxed frame is that it is lighter due to being able to use thinner sections with high strength steel. The term "high strength steel" should not be taken as it being stronger than a C-channel frame. With fully boxed frames, they use less steel over all with thinner walls, but use the box shape and "high strength steel" to keep it as strong as a much thicker(and heavier) C-channel frame. The fully boxed frames by nature is more rigid and stiff compared to a C-channel which could be seen as a plus on road and a disadvantage off road. Another disadvantage of fully boxed frames is that they are much harder to add any upfitting and cutting into it's thin walls will hinder its strength since it derives a lot of its strength from it's box shape. Another disadvantage is fully boxed frame pickups require higher bed heights which is a pain for those truck owners who actually use their bed or tow gooseneck and fifth wheel trailers.

So now that you know, you can quit making your ignorant statements about each frames and insinuating that a fully boxed frame is stronger than a C-channel because it isn't. They both have their plus and minuses and being better than the other in certain areas depending on how you use your truck.

You must excuse HemroidV8. He just applied his medicine and something is burning and it ain't Ford.

well said Cummins !

Seriously? I have a 2003 Ram Hemi 1500
Posted by: HEMI V8 | Oct 29, 2015 11:22:42 PM

Lots has changed in the past 12 years since your truck was built, HEMI V8. And the new Rams don't hold a candle to the older tough Ram trucks as far as strength, quality, or payload. the 1500's are built like cars. You have to get a 2500 to get a real truck now.

Looks like Ford is playing the numbers game like kids again. Bragging bout 12,200 pound towing, but you can only do it with a single cab. GM you can tow 12,000 pounds with any cab you want. HAHA Beer cans

Johnny Doh, you are just stupid. It is beyond words. The F150 is 12200, 12000, and 11900. 100 shy of 12000. How is that in any way a numbers game.

LMAO DURRRRRR Same way the 3500 single cab Ram and F450 crew cab is. So much for that beer can AL Ford f150 can't even tow 12,000 pounds with a crew cab LMMAO!!!!! "We made the f150 AL so you can tow and haul more" after "we made the F150 AL for WAY BETTER MPG" FAIL HAHAHA!
But only with a single AL can I mean cab can you tow 12,200 pounds LMFAO! BEER CAN YALL! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Hey johnny blow, does your Mama know you missed that SHORT YELLOW BUS again?? I can see another butt whopping when she gets home.

Hey johnny blow, does your Mama know you missed that SHORT YELLOW BUS again?? I can see another butt whopping when she gets home.

I was waiting or you to say that Johnny Doh Doh. The F450 is a purpose built heavy hauler class 3 truck with safety in mind. The F150 with the 12200 towing is the longest when base 4x4 . Not the short wheel base 4x4 like the Ram 35000. Oh yea, so predictable and ran right into that one because you know nothing about trucks. Along with your little bed buddy Hemroid x8.

HAHA HAHA HAHA you cracked me up.

Auto correct kicked in. Short Ram 4X2. Not 4x4.

Me run into a trap? What trap? So because the Ford HD is longer crew cab makes it safer to tow when a Ram HD single cab, but if a crew cab GM truck tows less then a single beer can I mean cab Fail150 I mean f150. It's now the other way? You Ford tards better lite up and smoke another joint or chug another AL can of beer you are talking stupidism again

Oh I forgot LMAO and truck dumb dumb isn't even 21 yet my bad send your fathers over later. We'll drink a few and chip into building your weak Al Fords. HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Clearly shows how stupid you are on trucks. Maybe you should research what truck it is before you look like a greater tool. The F450 Superduty is not a F450 chassis cab. The F450 Superduty is a class 3 truck the same as the Ram 3500. It is governed by the 14000 GVW rating. The F450 is a name plate and not the trucks rating. What a tool. Oh and J2807 rated before you try and play that card.
-- Posted by: LMAO | Oct 29, 2015 3:22:12 PM


That's part of the problem today; those badges don't mean anything any more, where once they actually did represent their class and payload capacities. By that measure, the F-450 would be a Class-4 truck, no matter its badging as a "Superduty" or whatever. This sets up extreme confusion to the point now that a buyer no longer really knows of what their truck is truly capable until they do "due diligence," which is uncommon among most vehicle drivers short of professional (with CDL or Chauffeur's license.)

@Johnny doe

You need to check your stats. The only GM super crew that is rated to tow 12,000 lbs in a 2WD 6.2L short bed with a heavy tow package. The same package and configuration in a long bed is rated to tow 11,900 lbs. Ford also has their 2WD 3.5L EB long bed rated at 11,900 lbs as well. The only difference is GM offers the max trailer packed in a short bed while Ford does not. I don't understand this since a long wheel base offers better trailering stability.

That's part of the problem today; those badges don't mean anything any more, where once they actually did represent their class and payload capacities. By that measure, the F-450 would be a Class-4 truck, no matter its badging as a "Superduty" or whatever. This sets up extreme confusion to the point now that a buyer no longer really knows of what their truck is truly capable until they do "due diligence," which is uncommon among most vehicle drivers short of professional (with CDL or Chauffeur's license.)


Posted by: Road Whale | Oct 30, 2015 11:18:52 AM

To be perfectly fair when it comes to Ford specs it is very easy to determine each trucks capabilities. They make it very easy to find what truck can do what under each category. Chassis cabs are in a different section. Ram is very hard to find actual data.

Johnny Dumb Dumb, again you do not disappoint me. Pretty much exactly the comment I was expecting from you. Very ignorant and predictable. There is a huge difference in 31 200 lbs of towing vs 12 200 lbs of towing. Being all these trucks are physically similar in size indicate already there is inherent stability in the 1500 series trucks. Because Ford chisel to use the longest wheel base truck in a single cab configuration clearly shows they were looking at towing stability while looking at numbers. They could have followed the Fiat route and choose the shortest truck for massive heavy tow.

You can say I'm 21 which I wish I was because you already know enough about me to figure out I already have a great paying get and satisfying career. And you drive an old POS truck while I drive new vehicles the are current to today's conversations. So feel free to drink your sorrows away.

HEMI talks a lot of smack for someone driving an old non-J2807 piece of crap truck with a tiny cab built in 2002 that has been abused and flooded with salt water and had the gears crap out several times. Try getting into a current gen truck then you may have something to talk about.

LMAO There is not difference between 31,200 pounds to 12,2000 pounds. As you said in your very own post. The longest heaviest truck has more towing stability. That in 1500 trucks means GM Smokes Ford once again

Hey you better go blow you're boy friend, then tell your dad you love men you f#$#k weirdo.

Your an idiot johnny blow hard. Auto correct again. There is a huge difference in 31200 vs 12200. I guess your to stupid or predisposed with a Hemi pole in your mouth to understand. Again drive your old POS truck that can't tow while I jump in my newer truck that is relevant to this conversation and do some work. Oh wait, I need to stop in the bathroom first and start up a pipeline company. I firmly believe you are on a why lower IQ scale from your boyfriend hemi, and that says a lot.

HEMI isn't a bad guy. Back in the 80's, HEMI was a huge Ford guy. But he was driving uninsured and lost everything in a terrible accident. Many drivers go uninsured because they don't think they can afford the monthly premium payments on a policy. But some of these drivers don't consider whether they can afford the unpredictable costs of an accident. Hemi isn't a bad guy. Deep down he is still a Ford guy and he has learned to stop thinking short term and that in the long run, car insurance can save drivers a lot of money and concern. I used to be a Ram guy but when they became Italian owned, hq'd in England and made in Mexico and with the all the reliability problems reported, I began looking elsewhere. Good day.

HEMI isn't a bad guy. Back in the 80's, HEMI was a huge Ford guy. But he was driving uninsured and lost everything in a terrible accident. Many drivers go uninsured because they don't think they can afford the monthly premium payments on a policy. But some of these drivers don't consider whether they can afford the unpredictable costs of an accident. Hemi isn't a bad guy. Deep down he is still a Ford guy and he has learned to stop thinking short term and that in the long run, car insurance can save drivers a lot of money and concern. I used to be a Ram guy but when they became Italian owned, hq'd in England and made in Mexico and with the all the reliability problems reported, I began looking elsewhere. Good day.

LMAO There is not difference between 31,200 pounds to 12,2000 pounds. As you said in your very own post. The longest heaviest truck has more towing stability.


The longer heaviest truck will tow better! it don't matter if its 12,200 or .31,200. the longest heaviest truck had more stability

1500 range that's GM trucks HD range its F450

God damn LMAO you have be the dumbest son of a $$^% I ever f%$^k meant in my life. Frank and truck retard just called, they said get to their house in a hurry they miss you long time!

@Johnny doe

The long wheel base crew cab F150 is over four inches in overall length than long wheel base crew cab Silverado 1500, and it has a longer wheel base by over three inches. However the long wheel base crew cab 1500 is a few hundressed pounds heavier than the same F150. Both have a max tow rating of 11,900 lbs in a 2WD configuration, but the F150 has a 2,230 lb starting payload while the Silverado 1500 has a starting payload of 1,797 lbs. If you add the HD payload package to that very same F150 then it's starting payload jumps to 2,900 lbs.

WOW!! I can't believe how young johnny blowhard really is. That little yellow short bus is definitely what he rides. Foul mouth and all. I also cant believe they allow his language on this site. His Daddy must not know how he talks because he'd be missing some teeth but then again, the better part of johnny blowhard ran down his daddy's leg. He should be the poster child for birth control.

Cummins Brother the chart above says it all. Idc bout payload, I'm talking tow rating to rub it in Truck retard and LMAO face. Braging bout this longer heavier trucks tow better. Which they do, but the f150 al single cab aint that truck just like the Ram 3500 isn't

The chart does not show these numbers cover Ford and Chevy 1/2 ton H.D.'s Ram had a class leading 1/2 ton H.D.

https://www.allpar.com/news/index.php/2011/09/ram-offers-new-models-and-features-11295

"When 2018 comes, there will also be a “commercial” version of the Ram 1500, with enhancements for heavy duty work cases."

H.D. means more $$$$

"New Ram 1500 Tradesman HD: Ram Truck today announced that it would offer a new Ram 1500 Tradesman Heavy Duty pickup designed to deliver unparalleled capability in the half-ton segment.

Available exclusively as a 4×2 regular cab truck with an eight-foot bed, the Tradesman HD is built for ultimate capability with a best-in-class 11,500-pound maximum trailer rating and 3,100-pound payload. The Ram 1500 Tradesman Heavy Duty tows and hauls more than any other light-duty truck. The Ram 1500 Heavy Duty’s 17,500-pound gross combined weight rating (GCWR) also tops all half-ton pickups in the market."


Cummins Brother the chart above says it all. Idc bout payload, I'm talking tow rating to rub it in Truck retard and LMAO face. Braging bout this longer heavier trucks tow better. Which they do, but the f150 al single cab aint that truck just like the Ram 3500 isn't

Posted by: johnny doe | Oct 30, 2015 2:58:25 PM

I was away for a little while but to be fair, I was close to you in a way Johnny Dumb Dumb, I was playing with your mommy.LMAO.. It is very apparent that that you are a jr highschool drop out. 12Klbs is just about 250% less weight than the max tow F450 superduty. That kind of weight needs a longer wheel base for stability. I never said that a long wheel base F150 would not be more stable because it would be. However Ford only has the long wheel base 4x4 single cab F150 as the max tow vehicle. It really is not that hard because they are a much longer variant than the smaller wheel base trucks. I am very sorry your mommy dropped you on your head multiple times. Yes she told me earlier today while we were "playing". Your dad was next door "playing" with their neighbors husband..................You in no way are even on any level to argue because you have made it apparently clear you do not have the mental capacity to even argue.

And you are right, the long wheel base F150 is not the truck to tow almost 16 tons. The F450 sure is though. FYI, my dogs are outside right now starting up their own pipeline company too.LMAO

@Hemi V8.

Your Allpar is telling you lies again. There is no such thing as an Ram 1500 HD. It does not exist.

According to Ram, the highest tow rating in a Tradesman regular cab with and eight foot box is with a 5.7L with a 3.92 ratio that has a 10,640 lb with a starting payload of 1,700 lbs.

The highest starting paylaod you can have in a Tradesman regular cab and an eight foot box is with a 3.6L with a 3.55 ratio that has a 1,880 lb payload with a 7,270 lb tow rating.

This is per Ram's very own ratings chart so whatever information Allpar is telling you is a lie as usual.

Thanks LMAO you just said I would right, for like the 3rd time now. The GM 1500s crew cabs are the best to tow 12,000 pounds just like the F450 crew cab is the best for 31,000 compare to the single cab Ram hd or the single cab F150.

Well I got to go, your momma's pinned down with my nut sack bouncing up and down above her but crack. She gonna be that way for another 2 hours so you better order pizza or microwave a hot pocket. You'll have a new brother/sister no doubt they'll be 5 times smarter then you ever could be. Maybe your real old man will stop but still let you hold the keys to "his fleet" his two busted up old trucks haha! WASH EM BOY!

Well I'm out for the weekend got a real life with real friends to hang out with, something LMAO wished his 15 year old a@# had.

To the good people of this site good weekend god bless, to the rest go f your useless selfs


Well I'm out for the weekend got a real life with real friends to hang out with, something LMAO wished his 15 year old a@# had.

To the good people of this site good weekend god bless, to the rest go f your useless selfs

Posted by: johnny doe | Oct 30, 2015 3:37:20 PM

you and hemi going camping. one man tent, one man sleeping bags. LMAO. Please try to be more creative. YOU cannot come back with another and more lame MAMA joke. It just shows your a Jr High school drop out. Proceed with drinking heavily and driving.

Cummins,
that was a post from 2011. Not even relevant to anything today. Hemi may want to check on his expiration dates.

Dean,
You are correct the GVM is 3200kg. Sorry.

But this still doesn't take away from the 6000kg GCM.

It also doesn't change the final figure of what the vehicle can carry as a load, excluding the trailer.

This is because the 2500kg is still under the the GVM.

This is where most every US pickup would not be able to tow what the manufacturers state, unless some form of dolly was used to support the front of the trailer.

With the 2500kg total vehicle weight and the vehicle weighing in at 2100kg still leaves 400kg less the hitch weight.

Since most don't tow or when they do tow here a trailer with a couple thousand kilograms would still leave the vehicle with a large payload.

In the US your pickups do have a small payload, even for their size. This is due to the fact that your pickups have traded off comfort as a car/SUV alternative to load as a working vehicle.

I do know you can buy a pickup with larger payloads as an option. But since this is an option it illustrates that a larger payload 1/2 ton is the exception and not the rule.

I think that having a set tow limit in each class would alleviate much of the spin and remove the small appendage syndrome that afflicts the selling and marketing of pickups in your market.

As the biggest, fastest, mostest, etc, really doesn't make for a better pickup.

The biggest flaw with this is the motoring reviewers use these parameter to try and state which is the best pickup when the reality is most would never even come close to even using these attributes.

As I stated 75% of US pickups are car/SUV alternatives. So 75% of potential pickups consumers don't really give a damn about payload and tow, so long as the vehicle can carry a load and tow a load.

In my visits to the US of two to three times a year I see most every pickup empty with a single passenger, and these pickups are the ones that are not being driven to work as a daily driver, again with one passenger.


The long wheel base crew cab F150 is over four inches in overall length than long wheel base crew cab Silverado 1500, and it has a longer wheel base by over three inches. However the long wheel base crew cab 1500 is a few hundressed pounds heavier than the same F150. Both have a max tow rating of 11,900 lbs in a 2WD configuration, but the F150 has a 2,230 lb starting payload while the Silverado 1500 has a starting payload of 1,797 lbs. If you add the HD payload package to that very same F150 then it's starting payload jumps to 2,900 lbs.

Posted by: Cummins | Oct 30, 2015 2:28:50 PM

From what I found on Rams towing guide, the max tow Ram has a shorter wheel base than the max tow F150.

HEMI V8 - that HD Ram tradesmen they are releasing is um a regular cab 4x2.

You can get 1800 lb capacity over at GM in a crew 4x4 long box and 2300 lbs over at Ford with a crewcab long box 4x4.

But if you want to look at regular cab 4x2 trucks Ram once again comes up short:
F150 reg cab 4x2 EB3.5 = 3263lb
F150 reg cab 4x2 5.0V8 = 3293lbs

I can see why you are so bitter......... last place every year year in year out must really really be frustrating.

The only bragging right is a 10 lb advantage in a reg cab HD configuration that virtually no one buys.

Better luck next time.

LMAO, shows how much koolaid you drink,

"Ford says the F-450 has a base curb weight of 8,611 pounds and a maximum payload of 5,450 pounds. Add them up, and it comes to 14,061 pounds -- 61 pounds over the 14,000 limit to keep it a Class 3 pickup.

A Ford spokesman insists, though, that the F-450's gross vehicle weight rating is 14,000 pounds. He explained that Ford bases its maximum payload claim not on the base curb weight, as Chrysler does, but on the weight of the base vehicle after various items are deleted from a base F-450.

Ford shaved 154 pounds from the weight of the F-450, he said, by removing items that have the possibility of being deleted from a vehicle order. Among the items removed were the spare tire, tire jack, radio and center console.

Ford said it uses this practice to set the maximum payloads for all F-series pickups."

http://www.autonews.com/article/20140728/RETAIL03/307289955/ford-ram-quarrel-over-heavy-duty-pickup-towing-title

HemiV8,
Most of this talk that is going on is due to the manufacturers gaming the classes of pickups, much in the same way that Nissan will be gaming the vehicle classes with it's Cummins powered pickup.

This is for marketing spin by the manufacturers.

As has been proven with the aluminium F-150 Ford has the best spinners in the industry.

But, don't forget that FCA and GM and all the others will do the same.

We don't have the same level of spin in our market. As we tend to rate a vehicle on it's overall performance, not just single out certain attributes.

Best in Class is the biggest piece of marketing crap I do believe should be reduced in the US pickup market.

HEMI V8 - your story was from July 28, 2014.

Over a year old.

IIRC Ford has since changed to SAE J2807.

Poor guy.

Waiting for a win from Ram and a call from his lawyer.

"As we tend to rate a vehicle on it's overall performance, not just single out certain attributes."


Sorta like focusing on tight trails and rock crawling to show that a small truck is superior to a large truck.

The only bragging right is a 10 lb advantage in a reg cab HD configuration that virtually no one buys.

Better luck next time.


Posted by: Lou_BC | Oct 30, 2015 5:03:02 PM

Now lets compare apples to apples Ram 3500 vs F 350. :-)


2015 Ram 3500 Packs More Torque, Better Capabilities Than the 2015 Ford F350. :-(

Ram Beats Ford in Torque, Payload and Towing
The 2015 Ford F350 Super Duty is powered by a 6.7L PowerStroke diesel that delivers 440 horsepower and 860lb-ft of torque which, in the right configuration, allows owners to haul an impressive 7,090 pounds in the bed and tow 26,700 ponds on a 5th wheel setup. The 2015 Ram 3500 is powered by a 6.7L Cummins Turbo Diesel that delivers “only” 385 horsepower, but with 865lb-ft of torque, it is the most powerful option among ¾ ton and 1 ton trucks. The 2015 Ram 3500 is capable of towing the same 30,000 pounds as the 2014 models with slightly less torque, but the payload capacity is increased to 7,390 pounds…meaning that while the Ram doesn’t pack the raw horsepower, it has the power to out-tow and out-haul the Ford F350 and the Chevy Silverado 3500HD in their strongest configurations.

http://www.torquenews.com/106/2015-ram-3500-packs-more-torque-better-capabilities-2015-ford-f350

BETTER LUCK NEXT YEAR!

2015 Ram 2500 holds best-in-class 17,970 pounds of towing capacity, while adhering to SAE J2807 test criteria.

http://social.cummins.com/model-year-2015-cummins-powered-ram-trucks-deliver-best-in-class-865lb-ft-torque/

2016 Ram Heavy Duty Widens its Leadership Gap With a Triple-Decker Presence: Best-in-Class Power, Towing Capacity and Payload Capacity.

2016 Cummins 6.7-liter calibration hits a best-in-class 900 lb.-ft. of torque. The most torque ever offered in a mass-production vehicle
2016 Ram 3500 crushes the competition with up to 31,210 pounds of SAE J2807-spec. towing capacity, beating the closest competitor by more than two tons
2016 Ram 2500 holds best-in-class ¾-ton towing title with 17,980 pounds of capacity
Ram 3500 maintains best-in-class payload of 7,390 pounds with 6.4-liter HEMI® V-8
Ram 3500 raises its best-in-class Gross Combined Weight Rating (GCWR) to 39,100 pounds
Ram maintains credibility and customer confidence as the only automaker to align with SAE J2807 towing standard across its entire pickup truck line
Fuel economy is top of mind for Ram 1500 customers and the exclusive 3.0-liter EcoDiesel V-6 engine continues to crush the competition with an amazing 29 miles per gallon (mpg)
The first 2016 Ram Heavy Duty trucks begin rolling off the factory line third quarter of 2015
Unsurpassed powertrain warranty – five years/60,000 miles on gas engines and five years/100,000 miles on diesel engines
Ram continues as "King of the Hill" in the heavy-duty battleground with the introduction of the 2016 model year Ram 2500 and 3500 Heavy Duty pickups. The capability leaders further build on a list of best-in-class claims.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/2016-ram-heavy-duty-widens-its-leadership-gap-with-a-triple-decker-presence-best-in-class-power-towing-capacity-and-payload-capacity-300102317.html


Now lets compare apples to apples Ram 3500 vs F 350. :-)


Posted by: HEMI V8 | Oct 30, 2015 5:51:31 PM

this just shows how narrow minded your are. Those are just name plates and have nothing to do with any ratings. The ratings you have to go by is the class of truck, GVW, and GCVW. Non of which you can even comprehend. The F450 with the same engine and transmission as the F250 (unlike Ram that charges for more power) will pull harder up a hill under load. Fast lane truck has proven this. The Ram needs to have Cummins bring up the torque to match the Superduty and GM diesel performance. Any btw, as mentioned above the F450 is J2807 rated and they even had Ford raise the ratings higher than what Ford was trying to certify for as a class 3 truck. But it is nice to know that the Ram is maxed out while the F450 is a class 3 truck with a much higher capability. This is why that powertrain is going into the F650 and 750 including the tractor configuration.

Lois,
It appears a Mini won the Dakar in 2015.

I suppose a Mini is larger than a full size pickup.

Doh...................another Dim'ism by Lois.

@BAFO

"Dean,

You are correct the GVM is 3200kg. Sorry."


Dean? Who is Dean. It was me that proved your numbers were false TWICE, not some Dean. In fact, there is not one person that has made a post using the name Dean so where did you even get the name from? This isn't one of those times when you don't like to say that other people are right when you were wrong so you made up some name because your pride will not let you say that someone else was right is it? It sure does seem like it.

"With the 2500kg total vehicle weight and the vehicle weighing in at 2100kg still leaves 400kg less the hitch weight."

Yes, but as I keep telling you your hitch's weight limit is 350 kg so applying a 400 kg tongue weight will put your vehicle over it's ratings.

I don't know what the rest of your mumbo jumbo post had to do with, but given the fact that you have already stated false information multiple times in this blog already. I would probably wager it is nothing but a bunch of false statements that you have no way to back up. Maybe that is why I didn't even take the time to read it since your credibility fell lower than the Australian dollar did this year.

Carl/Aulone/Cummins/ any last name ending with S, etc.
You didn't prove anything.

The end result was the same.

Hmmm.........................................

@BAFO


"You didn't prove anything."


You didn't prove anything besides the fact that you state false information, and you like to overload your truck's tow bar by putting 400 kg when it is only rated for 350 kg.


"The end result was the same."

Yes, you are correct in that. The end result that you have no idea what you are talking about and like to post false information is still the same.



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