Five Things Missing From the 2017 Super Duty

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Sure, the big news at the 2015 State Fair of Texas was the world debut of the 2017 Ford Super Duty, but we still have a few questions. The truck definitely looks better inside and underneath, which are really the only two places a heavy-duty pickup truck needs to improve, but we'd still like to see Ford consider a few more issues between now and the time these trucks hit dealerships (likely not until September or October 2016).

We know equipment like these take time to work their way into a new pickup, but its our guess that if these issues aren't considered pretty quickly Ford could be missing a great opportunity to strengthen its hold on the HD marketplace.

 

1. No Powertrain Upgrades?

We understand that creating a new aluminum-bodied pickup (and the build processes to support it) is a huge undertaking, but to leave the powertrains untouched except for a new gas-engine F-250 transmission seems risky. We hope there are powertrain advances for the 2018 model year.

 

2. Why Can't Blind Spot Systems Work On Trailers?

Although it started on the smaller cars, blind spot warning makes the most sense on the largest vehicles, like a one-ton dualie. If you can have the system on a Platinum Super Duty, why can't it be adapted onto a horse trailer so you can get the same effect behind the trailer? After all, it wasn't that long ago when manufacturers told us we couldn't have a camera on our trailer to help make backing up safer.

 

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3. Don't Side Cameras Make Large Mirrors Obsolete?

Large towing mirrors make sense if the only way to see behind you is with reflective imaging. But with Ford's advanced camera technology, why do we need big elephant ears hanging on both doors? The side-mirror cameras are tucked pretty tight to the doors, so why not just have some interior screens showing what's happening on the side of our pickups? We'd probably save a few mpgs without those flat wind screens on either side.

 

4. Why Not More Bed Innovations?

Offering the same bed changes to the Super Duty that we get in the popular F-150 is a good first step, but Super Duty bed users are different from half-ton bed users. Where's the extra storage space, access solutions or Super Duty-specific BoxLink accessories?

 

5. Why Isn't There a Smarter Exhaust Brake?

We like the fact that Ford relocated the exhaust brake button to the top of the center stack, but if we're getting a stronger pickup capable of handling heavier loads than the previous Super Duty, we need a more aggressive and smarter exhaust brake that will distinguish between loads, driving styles and maybe even upcoming road inclines.

Cars.com photos by Evan Sears

 

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Comments

How about an ALL NEW truck?

It's October 2015, why aren't they flying yet? They should even somehow cause whatever trailer they are pulling to fly also.

"3. Don't Side Cameras Make Large Mirrors Obsolete?"
That's one of the stupidest things a truck site could say.
Cameras may be nice, but as an electronic gadget, they will fail! (It's just a matter of when!)

I've been driving trucks for more than 40 years, from Ford Ranger to M-920's and just about everything in between, The mirrors are a very important item on a truck.
The more electronics that is added to the automobile, the dumber the driver becomes! (And lazier!)

"5. Why Isn't There a Smarter Exhaust Brake? driving styles and maybe even upcoming road inclines."
I hope he meant decline! Other wise, he is clueless!

I don't see how anyone can complain about powertrain right now. Ford is not going to release numbers yet. That won't occur till it is ready to hit the streets.

All of the things listed are asinine. The diesel and gas engines for 2017 have been upgraded for more power.

@hdmax This site is clueless. Just a bunch of Californians trying to creat themselves a job.

1) This site is misinformed. The powertrains were upgraded. 1) More power and torque for the 6.2 gas. 2) New transmission for the 6.2L gas trucks. 3) The diesel will be upgraded with the “highest combination of horsepower and torque ever.”

2) That would be a trailer manuf complaint.

As you said earlier, "Blind spot warning is now available as is a tire pressure monitor, and when the Super Duty is hooked up to a trailer special software allows the blind spot warning system to incorporate the sides of the trailer as well, alerting drivers to vehicles in the trailer's blind spot."

3) Large mirrors obsolete?

You are trying to hard to come up with stuff missing. Please.


Here's the towing tech post that contradicts #2 on this list:

"Blind spot warning is now available as is a tire pressure monitor, and when the Super Duty is hooked up to a trailer special software allows the blind spot warning system to incorporate the sides of the trailer as well, alerting drivers to vehicles in the trailer's blind spot."

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2015/09/2017-ford-super-duty-towing-and-technology.html

Number one contradicts the information that was released on the 2017 introduction video, where they said there would be power increases for both the diesel and gas motors, just no hp/tq numbers yet as they would be released closer to launch date next year. Maybe the editors should watch the video again. lol

What's the guys at pickuptrucks.com been smoking anyways??

Why not more bed innovations?????

Why not just use a trayback/flatbed like all proper trucks use.

A pickup bed isn't durable for work.

Many trucks that are used as trucks to make a living end up having purpose built beds.

Pickup beds do make a truck look pretty.

Im not sure about the bed comment either. I would want a large open area for a bed and I will outfit (that's what I did on my work truck) to where it works best for me. A coworker has a Ram with their work box incorporated in the bed. I absolutely had that thing. The bed is smaller and the space for stuff in the storage is limited. Plus you cannot remove those things if you need the full bed for any reason. Im not sure how much innovation you can put into a bed. It is a canvas for the owner to make it work for them.

Mark W put up a highly controversial and erroneous list of stuff "missing" to that it could be easily disputed by the readers and help Ford. This site pro Ford and this is further proof!


Mark W put up a highly controversial and erroneous list of stuff "missing" to that it could be easily disputed by the readers and help Ford. This site pro Ford and this is further proof!

Posted by: SIERRA | Oct 4, 2015 3:49:07 PM

What is even the point of having a list of dislikes for a truck that is a year out? it really does not matter because things are always subject to change. I also do not see the need to write a negative toned article as there is enough negativity from the posters on this site.


Mark W put up a highly controversial and erroneous list of stuff "missing" to that it could be easily disputed by the readers and help Ford. This site pro Ford and this is further proof!

Posted by: SIERRA | Oct 4, 2015 3:49:07 PM

Im not even sure why the need to even write an article on this because the truck is a year out. So much can change in a year this is just pointless. Plus I have to ask why should PUTC write a negative article as some want as there is already enough negativity from the posters on this site.

It's an actual work truck so the price and reliability are most important. The things you want are stupid and expensive to a working man that has been driving trucks for awhile. Keep the overpriced electronics junk on the soccer dad trucks for the dumbasses that are afraid of driving a truck. You office working Nancy boys need to stay in your lane and stop all that crying.

Where's the Super Duty-specific BoxLink accessories?

Start a new post asking the aftermarket manufacturers about that. From Ford....

BoxLink designed for endless customization

Ford is allowing aftermarket manufacturers to leverage its BoxLink system to develop even more customized solutions for the pickup truck bed.

“This is an open system,” explained Strager. “We have facilitated the aftermarket in a way that has never been done before by an automaker. The possibilities are endless.”


It's an actual work truck so the price and reliability are most important. The things you want are stupid and expensive to a working man that has been driving trucks for awhile. Keep the overpriced electronics junk on the soccer dad trucks for the dumbasses that are afraid of driving a truck. You office working Nancy boys need to stay in your lane and stop all that crying.

Posted by: Eddie | Oct 4, 2015 6:06:49 PM

Ummmm, if you don't want the electronics get a XL or stripped XLT model. then you get what you want and nothing else. But the vast majority of heavy truck owners wants to have some extra creature comforts and toys. For instance I was at my local dealer a month ago. They had 6 rows of loaded F350 and F450 Superduty duallies. I asked them why did they have that many trucks. Their answer, there is a horse show next month. Those guys spend money like crazy. They will sell 35-40 superduties during the show and usually get 15-20 sales the month after the show. There is a market for loaded work trucks.

1) It was upgraded.

2) BSM does work with trailers - see your previous report.

3) What? The side cams are not always running and why do you want to look at the camera instead of what is on the road?

4) See aftermarket for BoxLink. An extra storage space would be nice as long as it took up no room in the bed.

5) You said the "smart" exhaust brakes had quite a bit of trouble here...and the Ford required the least touches.

http://special-reports.pickuptrucks.com/2014/08/ultimate-one-ton-hd-challenge-davis-dam-exhaust-brake-test.html

They should have power difference from 3/4 to 1 ton, not the same power numbers for both.

how about a basic truck without all the BS that is capable to tow. If you want a fancy POS buy a BMW or Mercedes.

I agree with this entire list.

But if the put the 10 speed, new engine (EB?) in the first year, it wouldn't help sales.

Cameras can make the larger mirrors obsolete but not every truck will have the 360 degree side cameras.

Totally agree that they need more bed innovations and hope they are just holding them back.

BSP on trailers is a great idea and I believe it works on Super Duty with trailers, but not the F-150 with trailers.

I am eager to see how the improved exhaust brake is with adaptive cruise control, a feature that is now tied into the exhaust brake.

Is it a bogus list that was set up just so readers could knock it down?

Or is there just not a lot missing from the all new 2017 Ford Super Duty that is the toughest, smartest, most capable Super Duty ever.

I believe the latter.

The most important "thing" missing is a steel truck body;)

I like this site,but really. No upgrades to the engines, all of us know ford will hold out just before release. Some other things stated in the article are just stupid. Just report the things we have heard, do not make this into some drama garbage.


The most important "thing" missing is a steel truck body;)

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Oct 4, 2015 7:27:46 PM

Why? A rather ignorant post without some facts to back it up.

FLASHBACK TO LAST YEAR: Mark Williams WANTED the big towing mirrors...

Top 5 Details Chevrolet/GMC 2015 HDs Got Wrong
Posted by Mark Williams | February 5, 2014

1. Towing Mirrors

We would have thought this was a no-brainer since both the 2014 Ram HD and the Ford Super Duty offer big, adjustable (and in some cases electric folding and extendable) mirrors. The GM HDs still have the standard manual elephant-ear mirrors from last year. This needs to change.

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2014/02/top-5-details-chevroletgmc-2015-hds-got-wrong.html

What the hell is this writer smoking? Ford clearly stated that powertrain numbers would be released later. Durrr.

Getting rid of mirrors and replacing them with cameras? That's not even the intent of these cameras. Regardless, you've seen how some people have reacted to the aluminum body, just imagine what would happen if you tried to take away their mirrors.

Seriously, you're pissing and moaning about the exhaust brake? Again, maybe they have upgraded it but haven't announced it yet? But they did upgraded the mechanical brakes, so that's not good enough?

In the end, if this is all you can find to bitch about, I think Ford did their job.

Huge tow mirrors. No powertrain upgrades and no smart exhaust brake? Go back to the drawing board Ford! Ford loses and GM wins again!

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Luke,
I agree with you.

I would go and look at what is on offer on real trucks, not pickups.

The real trucking world trucks would offer their customers what is required to run efficient operations.

Some of the features offered by Ford are attractive, but what is the necessity?

Pickups are becoming similar to those multi purpose gizmos that you buy at Lowes and Home Depot. Just change the attachment and the drill becomes a LED light.

Real trucks are purpose built for work. They are not necessarily aesthetic to the eye either.

If "mulit-purpose" goes to far them become not good at much. Sort of like a multi purpose fishing rod. Good for not much. That's why you have beach, rock, livebaiting, baitcasting, etc outfits when you fish.

A specific tool for a specific job is more efficient than a pickup.

"Don't Side Cameras Make Large Mirrors Obsolete?"

Yes, yes they do, but then what are those flat brimmed hat wearing tools you see driving around in their Ram 2500s with the towing mirrors extended while driving around unloaded, like those limp d*ck 'roid monkeys who walk around the gym with their elbows cocked out and pecks perpetually flexed, going to do?

I cannot believe they just suggested that one tons don't need mirrors. Im deleting this site from my homepage. Unbelievable

@johnny blowhard, yes the gm truck knows what it wants to be but too bad it fell way short of being that. It says Michigan Boob but we all know who you are.

6: Why doesn't it have built-in machine guns?

7: Why can't it fly off into space?

8: Why can't it communicate with Aliens?

9: What is the meaning of life?

Pretty nitpickey list really...
1. Powertrain. For the last 5ish years all the superduty has done is refine its powertrain and pretty much neglected the rest of itself.

2. Blind spot monitoring... Seriously? It really is BS. Especially with nice mirrors. If you can/don't/wont monitor your blind spots you shouldn't be on the road. Comparing the simplicity of this overly complex nanny system on a small car versus a large truck that almost certainly be towing an almost endless variety of types, shapes, sizes, styles of trailers really comes off as dumb to me. Im not an engineer but im sure these systems would have issues determining the difference between a compact car on a dolly and an HUGE 5th wheel horse trailer (and everything inbetween) behind the truck.

3. Mirrors... To answer their question yes and NO. Cameras are great... they are also expensive and take getting used to and real drivers still want use like and need mirrors. Losing or reducing the mirrors would bring some nice aerodynamic advantages and is probably coming but the towing crowd aint gonna like it at least not at first.

4. Bed stuff... im sure all those little things will get "phased in" as it adds more cost and profit to the truck. Till then guess youll just have to settle for traditional tie downs and the old cab cargo light... Sounds rough.

5. Exhaust brake. Have you driven the new truck yet? With or without load? On inclines and declines? So you want a "smarter" exhaust brake without having driven the new truck at all? Back up and give it a min and see what things are like.

A very silly and pretty pointless list really. I am looking forward to the tests. When more intelligent strengths and weaknesses can be detected and discussed far more intelligently.

Waste of time reading this article. The author should have waited until all the figures are released. Somehow, I feel the numbers will be somewhat disappointing, like the F-150. Notice how all the videos say, "Bet, most capable super duty ever."
Oh and not all the F-150 numbers are disappointing. I am mainly speaking about the MPGs. When that truck was first released, Ford kept saying, "Most capable, fuel efficient F-150 ever."
I did however, see an F-150 commercial last night during Sunday Night Football, that claimed Ford had earned 5 star crash rating with their new truck, in all cab configs. This is a lie is it not? IIHS confirmed this months ago. Who is buying this propaganda?

@GoDawgs

The 2015 Toyota Tundra answers all those questions and more!

http://www.toyota.com/tundra/

How can anyone take Mark Williams seriously after reading this article. Wow.. I won't even take the time to critique these 5 'issues'.

Mark should be arrested and deported for the mirror comment

Tards, F-150 does have 5 stars in all cab configs and all F-150 cabs were tested and 5 stars.

The IIHS does not do stars and Ford is the only one to have more than the crewcab testested in the Moderate overlap front so we really don't know and will not know about the other trucks because they will not test the others until 2016. Ram was caught not putting the blockers on the 2015 trucks and GM didn't have them at all. You ok with that kind of propaganda from the IIHS? You test one truck, you should test them all.

CLICK BAIT

What is click bait? You agree with removing mirrors and the other stuff?

@Tom - PUTC didn't like my reply to you so I'll try again. I must of hit a nerve.

This is a definition of clickbait - "(on the Internet) content, especially that of a sensational or provocative nature, whose main purpose is to attract attention and draw visitors to a particular web page."

This list of "what is missing" is just that, clickbait.
1. No Powertrain Upgrades?
Ford has already mentioned upgrades BUT as we have seen, Ford does major body/chassis overhauls separate from major driveline revisions.
2. Why Can't Blind Spot Systems Work On Trailers?
Ford already says they have such a system BUT how many different trailer configurations are there?
3. Don't Side Cameras Make Large Mirrors Obsolete?
Really? Mirrors are more reliable and not ever HD doing work has 40k worth of options added.
4. Why Not More Bed Innovations?
Really? That is what the aftermarket is for. Buy a chassis cab truck and put what ever you want on it.
5. Why Isn't There a Smarter Exhaust Brake?
Time will tell. Wow, just a few years ago pickups didn't have exhaust brakes.

Click Bait

I am not so sure about the click bait comments. I think the GM/Ram folks were looking for the "list of what PUTC doesn't like" and asking in several threads about it. This appears to be a response to those requests as to not appear to be biased towards Ford (another comment we see a lot of). Unfortunately, the author didn't put much thought into the post and put a bunch of easily disputable "issues" on a list. The plan didn't work though, It seems to have upset some Ford people that see it as a legitimate list of beefs (but also easily disputable) and also confirmed the bias that GM/Ram folks believe this author has.

So basically they couldn't find a whole lot if anything they didn't like about this new Super Duty. All bases have been covered. Way to go FORD!!!

Ray Ray - so this was a weak attempt by PUTC to look unbiased?

I do agree on the "weak attempt" part.

PUTC tends to be a regurgitation centre for car company press releases.

Mike Levine used to own/run this site and now is in charge of truck PR for Ford.
Ironically, this site was vastly superior under him.

I've got a few misses:

How about a manual transmission, if only for the diesel models. Tow truck drivers would love that, which is why I see a lot of Ram tow trucks/flatbed haulers.

This might be silly...I know it's pre-production, but a radio antenna on the right fender/windshield cowl seems to be missing, as it is present on the F-150.



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