Beautiful GM trucks!

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Beautiful GM trucks!

Posted by: GMSRGREAT | Dec 31, 2015 10:22:36 AM

OK now that is hilarious. You first try to say other trucks are girl trucks and say GM trucks are manly. But you actually subconsciously realize that GM trucks are the real girl trucks because you called this one beautiful. That is a pure girl term you used on your truck of choice. LMAO.

Can't wait to see the sales numbers! Should be a million of the best trucks on the road GM trucks.

Why not just give a trophy to everyone and ya'll will be happy.

Happy New Year every one

@LMAO
beau·ti·ful
ˈbyo͞odəfəl/

adjective: beautiful
pleasing the senses or mind aesthetically.

If you like ugly, knock yourself out.

@LMAO
beau·ti·ful
ˈbyo͞odəfəl/

adjective: beautiful
pleasing the senses or mind aesthetically.

If you like ugly, knock yourself out.

@GMSRGREAT, LOL, there you go again trying to convince yourself those trucks are awesome......

they actually are nice, but I cant really tell the difference between them, front ends are a bit different, same square wheel wells, actually its the same truck

@LMAO, You can keep the PUSH-RODS, AND LIFTERS!!!

Now for 2015 I really liked the Silverado and its grille design. But for 2016 I think I would go with the Sierra. Something about those Silverado vertical fog lights make me like the Sierra front end restyle better.

Both are really nice looking pickups. I'm sure we could say this is middle school and no one gets cut for sports, but GM is number one in my book.

I do think the best pickup ever is it the Holley Performance C10 shop truck.

@LMAO
beau·ti·ful
ˈbyo͞odəfəl/

adjective: beautiful
pleasing the senses or mind aesthetically.

If you like ugly, knock yourself out.

Posted by: GMSRGREAT | Dec 31, 2015 11:43:07 AM

You can keep your beautiful and I will keep my tough, stout, and even handsome is a manly word. Beautiful is something I say to my wife. LMAO. Well I say HOTT also.

@LMAO, You can keep the PUSH-RODS, AND LIFTERS!!!

Posted by: latwoods | Dec 31, 2015 12:05:32 PM

???? Not sure what is meant by this. Push rods and lifters iare still not a bad way to go. Both have their pros and cons. On paper the 6.2L is a beast.

The 6.2 offers better empty mpg and slightly less mpg towing then the new Titan xd. The ecoboost will prolly deliver better towing mpg then the Titan xd. Hard to believe how bad the small diesel extremely heavy Titan xd is on fuel now that it is out there. I feel sorry for those that buy it over a 6.2 gm or a ecoboost thinking they gain efficiency. Not even 17 mpg empty in real world highway driving.
http://www.tfltruck.com/2015/12/nissan-titan-xd-highway-mpg-numbers-video/

Hate the new headlights. In my opinion they went from best looking to one of the worst.

@Scott, that has been pretty much what all the initial testing has shown on other sites as well. More expensive fuel, DEF, higher maint cost, in a truck this size it does not make a lot of sense over gas. This is nothing more than another option in the truck world. While I had figured mileage would have sucked I was secreting thinking real world it would have been better. I cannot wait for the Fat Gal Of Oz to see this. She will spin it every which way but the correct way for sure.

@LMAO its very simple, give me a list of leading automotive manufactures that still build push-rod engines, GM and Chrysler/RAM correct. Why did GM stop putting them in there cars??????????? Because they weren't as durable and given there displacement not as powerful when compare to OHC engines (DOHC and SOHC). Push-rod motors need a larger displacement, to over come there limitation of only having two valves per cylinder. From my on experience once you reach 130,000 miles keeping the oil changed is critical, along with a good engine flush to remove oil slug. See with all of those oil passages for the lifters oil slug is deadly!!!!!!Having all of those moving parts in the block increases the chance of engine failure. From a engineering point, the least amount of moving parts in the block the better!!!!!!!!!!!! Push Rod motors are more sensitive to high rpms, because of the spring loaded leakage created by the valve spring, rocker arm, push-rod, and lifter. When happens when a lifter loose contact with the camshaft due to high rpms?? VALVE FLOAT AND BANG!!! With OHC engines, there are no moving parts in the block except the crankshaft. When it comes to power the 6.2L is great!!, Hell it should be it displaces 6.2L!!!!!!But to get that GM had to use Direct Injection, which Ford 5.0L (is using in the Ecoboost engines), Nissan 5.6L, or Toyota 5.7L still are not. But when they decide to add direct injection to there V-8's, when combine with DOHC, 4 valves per cyl, those engine's power output will likely exceed the 6.2L power.

These are some of the many reasons why all but GM and Chrysler have left push-rod motors in the past.

NOW WHAT OTHER TECHNOLOGICAL CARDS THOSE GM HAVE TO STAY COMPETITIVE WITH DOHC TRUCK ENGINES?????????? THEY ARE RUNNING OUT AND WILL SOON HIT A DEAD END. THEN WILL BE FORCE TO CHANGE OVER TO DOHC OR SOHC ENGINES THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED WITH THERE CARS.

LAMO,
There is a flaw(s) in you argument (per normal).

If cost is so important, then why are mid to highend pickup the largest sellers?

If cost is so important why are people not jumping into cheaper to run midsizers? In other words shouldn't they be selling in the numbers of full size and full size selling in the numbers of midsize?

If cost is so important, why do you consider a V8? Why not a V6? And come out with this load and tow crap. 75% of all pickups are car/SUV alternatives and the average trailer weight towed is 5 000lbs.

DiM, it seems you pro V8, full size logic is just and emotive outlet for your yearning to have a large pickup. I'd bet you own a clapped out 20 year old Hyundai Excel or something of that nature.

You are full of sh!t.

You see LAMO, whilst you are sitting in the traffic jam with your smart phone punching away in your 20 year old Hyundai you must start to look at the auto sector more maturely.

Costs? WTF is this about?

It's all about percieved value offered to the consumer.

The sense of value by each consumer judged differently. The best isn't based on what can tow the most or do a 0-60 time the quickest. This is just school/Frod fan talk. This shows you arguments are as baseless as you.

As mentioned above, each and every consumer places a different emphasis on what they value. You value magazine data to make a decision. This proves your immaturity, ie, school boy.

Here's what people value mainly;

1. Perception; ie, does this accessorise me and make me look cute. A classic example of this are those Raptor mall crawlers and Wrangler, Can Hardly Davidsons. These are by far not the best use of a vehicle using logic. But, hey it isn't cool.

2. Overall vehicle dynamics; Do I like the way it feels when driving the vehicle. Don't forget the largest input into this is what the consumer has previously driven, not what skid pan result comes out of a magazine article.

3. Power; Does it provide the power I need at the lights? Does it go up hills? Can it overtake. The consumer will test drive the vehicle, again using previous stimulus as a point of reference.

4. Bling; Yes bling. Does it have the minimum amount of bling I want, ie, power windows, A/C, auto headlights/wipers/dimming mirrors/etc and on and on.

5. Engine size. People tend to have a rudimentary overview on how vehicles use fuel, ie, Hybrid supposed to be economical, but are more painful to own, a V8 sucks fuel and is powerful, a turbo is supposed to give lots more power but sucks fuel with the position of your foot.

6. Engine type, diesel really economical, but costlier. V6 cheapest way to go, V8 more power.

What I have given you is the tip of the iceberg. People will place a different emphasis on each and every attribute for any vehicle purchase.

When buying a vehicle people generally first look at how much they can spend. They then look at vehicles that suit them and their lifestyle. This is called want, not need.

Grow the F up, kid.

"Best in Class" and the magazine info/data you only use is of little consequence in the real wold. Some people watch TV and see Best in Class and think it must be better.

The more astute buyer will do research, including the magazine crap you attempt to win debates over with.

In the end your "data" use is quite meaningless in the real world, or Camry, Corolla, VW Beetle, Hilux, etc would never of been the sellers they are.

Pickup are mainly a SUV appliance for the middle class. They are not magical or anything else. They offer a very flexible vehicle in most wealthy OECD economies. But, the consumer want more CUVs/SUVs, which are as or even more flexible than a pickup. Pickup on can offer a large size vehicle.

@Latwoods, Spewing your OHC garbage again? Last I knew the Ford Powerstroke (and the Cummins & Duramax) all use cam in block with pushrods. These are the toughest engines used by these companies. Not only are they cam in block, they are all 4 valves per cylinder (no, you don't need OHC to do that). As far as more power per cubic inch with OHC, a more important measure of output (in high performance applications) is HP per pound. OHC motors struggle to match pushrod motors in this regard. Pushrod motors are also more compact and offer a lower center of gravity (maybe not important in trucks, but very important to a Z06).

LAMO,
There is a flaw(s) in you argument (per normal).

If cost is so important, then why are mid to highend pickup the largest sellers?

If cost is so important why are people not jumping into cheaper to run midsizers? In other words shouldn't they be selling in the numbers of full size and full size selling in the numbers of midsize?

If cost is so important, why do you consider a V8? Why not a V6? And come out with this load and tow crap. 75% of all pickups are car/SUV alternatives and the average trailer weight towed is 5 000lbs.

DiM, it seems you pro V8, full size logic is just and emotive outlet for your yearning to have a large pickup. I'd bet you own a clapped out 20 year old Hyundai Excel or something of that nature.

You are full of sh!t.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Dec 31, 2015 2:28:50 PM

Yup as normal you are nothing but a long winded fool. You have always bashed the F150 crowd saying that people are looking for trucks with great FE and only a small percentage of people buy for load and tow. In fact you said 75% of people buy a truck as an SUV. So FE is critical for trucks. Then you touted off saying that this Titan will get great FE and out tow an F150. Now we find out that the Titan is getting the same and worse FE as a gas truck. FYI I asked you many times your source for this 75% crapppppp you keep babbling about for the 75%ers. Again nothing but pure BS from the Fat Girl side.

I have always asked you Fat Girl From Oz if people are not into load and tow and only FE why is the base engines the larger percentage of engines sold vs the 3.5EB Ford, 5.3 GM and 5.7 Fiat. Again your whole load and tow BS self never came back with a reply. Just more and more babble about FE and the 2.7L and 15.6mpg.

You know as well as I do initial cost is important to buyers. Look at lease sales vs buying sales. All of the dealers I have talked to and there is even an article on this site shows the majority will lease vs buy. GM has been offering extremely low lease deals all year. So people are looking for the most bang for their buck. Many people now research things online now. So if the Titan diesel is on their list and they see low MPG and higher operational cost how much incentive is there to buy it unless purchase price is very very attractive.

Again Fat Girl From Oz, you are nothing but a buffoon

What I have given you is the tip of the iceberg

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Dec 31, 2015 2:58:28 PM

LOL, I can give you the tip buffoon, but it is not an iceberg. LMAO

what a tool.

Pushrod motors are also more compact and offer a lower center of gravity (maybe not important in trucks, but very important to a Z06).

Posted by: mark49 | Dec 31, 2015 3:25:04 PM

To play devils advocate on this, you have to look at the high end Italians with their Supercars. They all run DOHC engines.

LAMO,
I must agree with latwoods.

The OHV pushrod engine was an evolution of the flathead engines. The cost of production of the push rod engine vs the OHC was cheaper.

Quadvalve OHC engine came to the forefront back in the 80s. These initially started out in the more performance orientated vehicles.

Even diesels are now all twin OHC quadvalves. The flexibility offered to engine performance can't be matched by a pushrod engine.

Again, DiM, your incessant Detroit Iron views are quite outdated. You are living in world that exceeds your ability to comprehend. Go back to the 1930s. Pushrod engines back then were state of the art.

Detroit has kept pushrod engines due to tooling and design costs. They are cheap.

LAMO,
I must agree with latwoods.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Dec 31, 2015 3:40:04 PM

Of course you do, your a tool.

I never said a push rod engine or over head cam engine was better over the other. Personally I like overhead cam engines because they do offer high output and high rpm. To get a high rpm pushrod engine you need some really strong valve springs. If you go to high, hydraulic lifters needs to be removed for solid. But no one can deny that the GM 6.2L does not do a bad job at making good power and efficiency. However the efficiency comes with the cylinder deactivation. Once again you are a buffoon.

However Mark is correct. A OHV engine typically has a much lower overall height. But it has not stopped the Italian and other Supercar manufactures from building some wicked low CC high powered engines. You cannot beat the sound of a high reving V12.

@latwoods I am a reformed OHC guy.

No doubt there are some really excellent OHC engines, but pushrod V8s make sense in the half ton pickups. It's because most of the driving you do with a pickup isn't about revving the engine past 4500 RPM in routine driving--thus much of the advantage of highly efficient (volumetric efficiency) engines is irrelevant.

Indy car engine? Yes, go for the DOHC designs--that war was over before most of you guys were born.

Nascar engine? Not a single Cup race was ever won by an overhead cam motor. Multi valve heads? ditto.

I like what Nissan, Toyota and Ford have done with their gas V8s in this regard, I just don't think it is any smarter than what RAM and GM did.

Recently my 2009 Silverado rolled 70k on the odometer and let me tell you, I've never owned a sweeter motor. I've been reformed.

@LMAO, I won't argue that OHC motors aren't capable of greater VE at high rpm, but I know you understand the point I was trying to make. As you wrote, both designs have their advantages, but I don't think increased durability is one that either can stake a claim to. I personally am most impressed by what Porsche is getting out of the flat 6's.

Happy New Year everyone!

Lmao and Latswoods,
You really need to stop posting your crap. If the article is not about fords your always spewing about hows its all junk. I have to skip over your post now because you guys are so pro ford your comments dont make any sense most of the time. this article is not about fords so please shut up guys.

Posted by: Please stop it | Dec 31, 2015 6:42:59 PM

You are also full of BS. Show me where I actually stated that I am so pro Ford and everything is Junk. I can see a post where I was just praising the GM 6.2L. If you could read GMSRGREAT, you would have seen this.

Posted by: Please stop it | Dec 31, 2015 6:42:59 PM

Maybe you should ask the Fat Chick From Oz to stop bringing up Ford in every single article. I don't care what the subject is, that tool bag always brings up the aluminum F150.

Lmao
That was my first post ever. I'm not gmsrgreat. I actually don't mind reading big Al's post. Although I don't agree with some ( or about half) of his comments. But you just like to pick on people that say anything negative about fords.

It didn't take long to dig up the reason why GM has kept the pushrod V8s. It is not as if it didn't want OHC quadvalve V8s.

In 2008 GM canned it's OHC quadvalve V8 program due to the GFC and the fact that the future GM V6's were providing V8 power. Oddly enough these V6's are OHC quadvalve engines.

But you just like to pick on people that say anything negative about fords.

Posted by: Please stop it | Dec 31, 2015 7:05:25 PM

it is more of correcting the false statements from the Rambots and GM turds. Maybe you should take another look. Again reading is key.

@Big Al from Oz

I thought GM committed to the OHV approach way back in the late 1990s.

The Gen 3 and Gen 4 engines were no doubt on the drawing board by that time.

They were supposedly concerned about appealing to the muscle car crowd, if you can believe that (Firebird, Camaro). As it turned out those models were about to bite the dust back then.

GM's experience with the OHC Northstar engines indicated higher overall cost of manufacturing, IIRC

Why did GM stop putting push rod V-8s in their cars? The better question is why did the Big 3 manufacturers stopping putting V-8s in their cars except for the muscle and performance cars? You don't have to even be a Ford fan boy to know the answer. There is something called the EPA and increased fuel standards. That is why we have V-6 engines in Chevy Impalas, Ford Taurus, Buick LaCross, and a host of other full size American Sedans except Charger and 300 with an optional Hemi V-8. These standards are also the reason why their are only 4 cylinder engines in the Ford Fusion and Chevy Malibu with a few other midsize cars offering V-6s as options but those optional V-6s will eventually disappear.

Why spend any more developing and producing V-8s when only trucks and muscle cars are basically the only vehicles that use them and over a period of years they will become even less used in trucks and muscle cars. It seems most of today's V-6s get the performance of V-8s with better mpgs. As for longevity how many people are going to drive a vehicle for very long. Most people turn their vehicles over well before they are worn out. Many lease their vehicles and could care less what is under the hood as long as it runs and requires little maintenance. Vehicles which include cars, trucks, suvs, and cuvs have become more like appliances in that most people could care less what brand it is unless you happen to be one of the brand fanatic that are commenting on this site. Why do you think Toyota sells so many vehicles? Do you think Toyotas are so stylish that people fall in love with their looks?

papajim,
Here's an article with a link.

GM's 3.6-liter V6s and venerable small block will take the place of GM's DOHC V8 engine series - See more at: http://www.dailytech.com/GMs+DOHC+Northstar+V8+Production+Ends+Next+Month/article18688.htm#sthash.5bmaMRMV.dpuf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Ultra_Engine

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/03/gm-cancels-new-dohc-v8-engine-program/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Ultra_Engine

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/03/gm-cancels-new-dohc-v8-engine-program/

I liked this Sierra front bumper in '01-'06 and was glad that GMC didn't do what Chevy did with the Silverado wedgie lights in '04. (then called it Classic in '07?)... errp!

It now looks more like a repeat than a nod to an era, witch makes it "long in the tooth" instead of re-visioned.
On the other hand, it does look better in all chrome without the painted upper fascia cap. That may only be available on the HD's?

latwoods is a retard LOL! Don't see many DOHC engines in racing. Nascar runs 9,000 RPM for 3 to 4 hours strait with push rods.

Don't get me wrong NASCAR is a good formula for the sport, but ............. NASCAR isn't the pinnacle of motorsport with technology.

I can't see any change in the tailgate so the article may mean "new tail lights" since they don't mention those have changed.

Welcome to the fray "please stop it". Plead you might, but this is the new reality, or the "Trump Factor" I call it;
The most obnoxious person wins by default.

@Stevador, there must be a LOT of obnoxious people in your opinion.

Trump is kicking everybody's butt in the polls very consistently. His supporters are tired of Washington DC. Obnoxious or not, it's working big time.

Trump is kicking everybody's butt in the polls very consistently. His supporters are tired of Washington DC. Obnoxious or not, it's working big time.

Posted by: papa jim | Jan 3, 2016 11:40:34 AM

Just my opinion but it seems like people are getting tired of the political correctness that is consuming the nation. The point of tip toeing around everything is taking its toll.

LMAO,
Look at papajim's comment.

He has structured it to inflame and create dissention.

That's how papajim operates. This is called troulling.

NASCAR isn't the pinnacle of motorsport with technology. --Big Al January 2016

@Big Al,

You probably already know this, but NASCAR surely ranks in the top five worldwide for sports and entertainment. The organization has always grown and adapted to what's going on in the marketplace, automotive technology and pure entertainment value. Fox and the other big networks all pay HUGE bucks for the privilege of broadcasting their races.

The world's biggest consumer products companies all pay crazy money to plaster their logos on the sides of race cars. Other sports like baseball and pro football have to give away tickets to their farm-club events, like minor league baseball, etc.

Go to a place like Charlotte Motor Speedway or Daytona for any major Cup event and you'll see places that could swallow a half dozen NFL crowds and not even burp.

NASCAR's minor-league events tickets are very pricey and they use those venues and those personalities to support their main event, the Cup Series. The corporations that sponsor the lesser NASCAR series have been faithful supporters of stock car racing for longer than most of us have been alive.

Back in the early 1980s a lot of so-called smart guys predicted that NASCAR would fail without the sponsorship of tobacco companies--instead you started seeing popular products like laundry soap and hair tonic plastered on those race cars.

Today sponsors really pay their dues to even get noticed by NASCAR teams. If NASCAR is not the pinnacle, what is?

Welcome to the fray "please stop it". Plead you might, but this is the new reality, or the "Trump Factor" I call it;
The most obnoxious person wins by default.

I hear you !
I read these comments for entertainment ONLY. Can you imagine taking advice from some of these guys? Oh boy.