Try this with your F-150.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v3oH3uxyKw

This might come up twice, sorry guys.

Over the past week or so all of the press releases revolving around the aluminium F-150 have been directly related to FE improvements.

WHY????

We have had the hybrid, diesel and now CNG F-150 thrust before us by Frod.

Why can Ford just fix the problem with it's FE by updating and improving on the EcoBoost engines. These are the culprits with the sub par FE performance.

I suppose it will be cheaper to have the government subsidise hybrid and CNG pickups than Ford actually putting in an effort to resolve the EcoThirst deficiencies.

Imagine any 2.7 litre engine returning 15.6mpg average. This is a problem for Ford.

Ford touted the 2.7 EcoBoost as the engine that would surpass the Pentastar powered Ram, let alone the VM diesel powered Ram. Hmmm.........

That's good I guess for out west and fleet owners where they have CNG stations. With gas prices so low it will be a hard sell. I hope propane and CNG is cheaper then gas.

Rob,
My problem with CNG is the space required to store the CNG in the bed.

This detracts from the utility of a pickup.

As Ford's current mantra is all about load and tow. The CNG pickup removes the load to a great degree. Even then if you do carry a load it is behind the rear axle.

Why can't the manufacturers provide conformance style CNG accumulators that are under the vehicle.

These CNG pickups are just the cheapest way for a manufacturer to provide this form of energy. These tanks are as useful as those methane bags on roof tops during WWII.

Big al. There is no other gas powered fullsize truck that gets better mpg's then ecoboost according to the Canadian truck challenge.

Ford is offering prep packages, not factory turn-key CNG trucks like GM and Ram do.

With Ford you still have to have the truck converted by an upfitter.

Makes for some interesting warranty issues.

What I really don't like is the uselessness of CNG. The pickup will carry 5 fully grown men comfortably in the cab, but there's only enough room for their lunches in the back.

As a working vehicle it will have to travel 3 times as far to move a load.

The pickup tub is all CNG tanks.

Smart business. I can see why Ford is union man.

Diesel is the future.

Big Al from way down under - diesel is not the future; France/Europe realized now with ever increasing smog problems in Paris/GOVT is moving to raise tax on diesel to force public/auto makers to rethink diesel's future.

To get back on subject; OZ/NZ land use CNG in working trucks for decades now & you see these tanks mounted wherever they can & it works - the practical functional use is all relative to savings, purpose & job needs.

Why bother. With Ford you have to go through the hassle of dealing with an upfitter for installation, service, and parts. Buy a GM CNG full size pickup or van and it comes finished and ready to go. Service and parts are available right at the dealer.

Incorrect Al
The tanks don't take up the entire tub... Prolly more like the size of a behind cab tool box.

Ram and GM don't have a halfton CNG truck.

The Fat Chick From Oz is right. There is no future in CNG at all............................................................

https://pressroom.ups.com/pressroom/ContentDetailsViewer.page?ConceptType=PressReleases&id=1429038032641-100

I mean seriously, we need to listen to the Fat Chick From Oz because who really uses CNG at all. It is stupid..............................
http://www.automotive-fleet.com/news/story/2014/05/fedex-contractor-turns-to-natural-gas.aspx

See the friendless girl from oz is right. no future in CNG..............................

http://campaigns.ryder.com/cng?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=%2Bcng%20%2Bfleet&utm_campaign=NAT_CNG%20(BMM)&gclid=CKeE79GU7skCFckYHwodmmICbw

I mean seriously guys. Ford is stupid to use CNG...................
http://www.gmfleet.com/overview/alternative-fuel-vehicles.html

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2015/05/04/2016-f150-alternative-fuel-leadership.html

It appears Ford has seen a market share need for CNG. Why offer it if no body uses it or want to buy it.

Sorry, guys, but Ford's efforts to please the rubber-stamp bureaucrats at EPA are fine as far as that goes. But the traditional Ford truck customer isn't some college-campus Greenie.

The fussing over climate-change is going to look pretty silly ten or fifteen years from now after all of the climate politics have played out. All of the hugging & kissing the smart kids were doing in Paris a couple of weeks ago is fine if you have a job selling this foolishness to Wall Street.

On Main Street where typical truck buyers live, it's life as usual and pump gas is really cheap these days, no thanks to Obama. CNG? Not so much. I wonder how many dozen of these will sell?

I've been reading the comments about the EcoBoost 2.7 and think it's time to ask how are people getting such terrible FE? I've had my XLT Supercrew 4x2 since June with 6k on the odometer and the lowest I've recorded is 19.8 mpg hand calculated. My Fuelly is at 22.4 mpg average. I have way more city miles than highway and I always drive at or above the speed limit. Needless to say I am very pleased with the FE.

Ecoboosted

It just big al from oz and his alter egos.

During the canadian truck challenge there results showed the 3.5 get better then the 2.7. The 3.5 ecoboost gets amazing mpg. 21 mpg's and 15 pulling a 6k trailer. Best in class of halfton gas mpg while empty and towing and perform oh so much better on cheaper fuel then diesel. A lot better mpg's then the old steel f150!

Here you go, a straight up comparison of the 2015 ecoboost 3.5 vs 6.2 monster chevy. Why anyone would by a F-150 after reading this is beyond reasoning.

Here you go, a straight up comparison of the 2015 ecoboost 3.5 vs 6.2 monster chevy. Why anyone would by a F-150 after reading this is beyond reasoning.

oops: I mean here you go;
http://www.off-road.com/trucks-4x4/review/2015-ford-f150-ecoboost-vs-2015-chevy-silverado-v8-54175.html?page=2ps:

The answer is an emphatic yes, as we noticed it both on the highway and in the dirt. As with any full-size truck relying on a ladder-style frame, some body roll is to be expected – but it is very slight. In fact, tester Rousseau lauded the torsional rigidity of the new frame and felt it contributed to the truck’s confident handling. Both the Silverado and F-150 are fairly precise in the corners, but the Ford gets the nod by virtue of its lighter steering effort. The F-150 feels more at ease in turns and whips into them with less effort.

The Ford was also much more at ease during our off-road sessions. Both trucks feature coilover front suspension, but the F-150 finds a better compromise between compression damping and rebound damping to give it a much more composed feel when the going gets rough. The F-150 could negotiate whooped trails noticeably quicker than the Silverado. Most importantly, the Ford’s suspension superiority in the dirt doesn’t compromise its on-road handling.

When we weighed both trucks, the F-150 came in at 5200 pounds, which is 460 pounds lighter than the Silverado. Where’s the 700 pounds, you ask? Well, we can’t say for sure, as Ford lists a similarly equipped 2014 F-150 at 5,615 pounds. Sure, the weight difference may be part of the equation, but the Ford’s rack-and-pinion electric power-assisted steering is another key factor in its smoother and more effortless turning.

On the road, the Silverado offers a stable ride with very predictable steering. The one way we kept distinguishing the Chevy’s handling from the Ford’s is by saying it feels the most like a traditional truck. There’s a little more body roll in turns with the Chevy, and it definitely feels less nimble on the road and in slow-speed situations. That’s not to say that that the Ford doesn't handle like a truck, too, but the Chevy's character is less refined and more consistent with traditional truck handling than the Ford.

You mean these comments in your posted article GM is great?

oops: I mean here you go;
http://www.off-road.com/trucks-4x4/review/2015-ford-f150-ecoboost-vs-2015-chevy-silverado-v8-54175.html?page=2ps:

Posted by: GMSRGREAT | Dec 21, 2015 6:54:53 PM

Our Ford F-150 4x4 SuperCrew features an EPA rating of 17 mpg in the city and 23 mpg on the highway for a combined rating of 19 mpg with its 3.5L V6 EcoBoost. During testing, we observed a combined 18.7 mpg with the F-150, and for highway driving we measured our best fuel economy at 21.4 mpg. Our Chevy Silverado with the 6.2L V8 and eight-speed trans features an EPA rating of 15 mpg in the city and 21 mpg on the highway. During testing, our observed combined fuel economy was 17.2 mpg, which is slightly higher than the EPA combined rating of 17 mpg. One highway fuel economy test of the Silverado delivered our best reading at 19.1 mpg.

I still would like to drive a 6.2L Chevy though. Every report i read said that engine is an animal off the line.

Yes and this:
The Chevy's 6.2-liter V8 proves true the old adage that there’s no replacement for displacement as soon as you step on the gas pedal. It earned higher marks in our tow testing, and its interior layout is preferred among our testers (and their wives). The Silverado is a proven commodity.

I know there are a lot of lonely Ford owners out their, because the women prefer hanging with the chevy guys. LOL

Anyways, I'm off in the High Country with the wife to pick up some Christmas goodies.

Chevrolet and Ford have taken very different approaches in their full-size half-ton trucks, and both have their high points and demerits. After spending plenty of time in both of these nicely equipped trucks, we came away just a little more impressed with the F-150. Sure, the F-150 lost a little weight, and yes, we questioned whether or not the performance of the dual-turbo V6 could keep up with the big V8, but the Ford still offers great performance, a comfortable interior, and the smoother and more effortless handling of the two.

Although the Ford may have scored higher overall on our score sheets, the Silverado is still a great truck – in fact, we know that some people will want the more traditional Silverado in their driveway, and we certainly wouldn't discount it. The Chevy's 6.2-liter V8 proves true the old adage that there’s no replacement for displacement as soon as you step on the gas pedal. It earned higher marks in our tow testing, and its interior layout is preferred among our testers (and their wives). The Silverado is a proven commodity.

Posted by: GMSRGREAT | Dec 21, 2015 7:29:40 PM

You actually beat me to it. I wanted to reread the article because quite frankly it was pretty good for either truck you choose. But i try to keep an open mind though.

Who the f150 had quicker 1/4 mile time, way better fuel economy. Better on and off road manners and comfort! Thanks for the link Gmsgreat! They have a vid as well stating the ford is better then the 8 speed 6.2 gm!!!!!!

From Gmsgreat link
On the road, we had no complaints with the Chevy’s suspension, although it didn’t offer quite as much cushion over speed bumps and driveways as the Ford's. In the dirt, however, it was obvious that the Silverado's coilover front shock absorbers are not as composed during spirited off-road driving. We found ourselves bouncing excessively in the Silverado while chasing the F-150. A little more travel and more rebound would go a long way toward improving the Silverado in the dirt.

@Big Al from Oz
FCA is working on it. Modular in RAM, VAN and Minivan.

http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php/2015/11/mopar-testing-new-cng-minivans-30558

Ram is the only pickup sold in the US with a factory CNG conversion;

Ford says it is the only automaker to offer a half-ton pickup truck that is CNG/propane-capable, putting another feather in the F-150's cap.

Whatever.

Rams CNG package is 11k and on 2500's. It's factory so the when buyer go and buy another CNG package it cost 11k again.

Ford you can just pull it off and put it on you next truck with the CNG engine option. It will go on f150's and up cause superduty's have been CNG prepped for awhile with the appropriate box checked.

@Scott
Yeah . It's so easy. You just pull it out and stick it to the new ford.
5 minutes job.You should be face of new ford commercial. LOL.

Not a 5 minute job but once you have the kit you can move it. Cheaper then buying a whole kit like ram. Many people pull there aftermarket accessories off vehicle and put back to stock before getting rid of them. As there accessories really aren't worth much when on the vehicle compared to off. For example full diesel delete and tunes are worth more off the vehicle then on and many people pull that stuff off and sell or transfer to there new vehicles. Wouldn't imagine there is that much labor involved pull a CNG kit out and installing it in another truck.... Maybe a day of paid labor. Cheaper then the alternative ex specially for fleets.

So what's the difference between RAM kit and Ford kit?
Both of them are installed in the factory.
I guess all the components must be the same. Ford can't have missing something.

The ram kit is factory install.... Everything tanks lines ect. Ford is just prepping the engine. Third party installer replaces fuel injector, installs tank and lines. To put it back to stock and keep your kit remove fuel injector, tank and lines and install stock injectors.

The ram kit is factory install.... Everything tanks lines ect. Ford is just prepping the engine. Third party installer replaces fuel injector, installs tank and lines. To put it back to stock and keep your kit remove fuel injector, tank and lines and install stock injectors.

@Scott and LMAO: Hope you enjoyed the comparison. That was the only comparison I could fine with the 6.2 with the 8 speed against the 3.5 ecoboost . Unfortunately, the Z-71 off-road package isn't offered on the High Country. The High Country is clearly a highway cruiser with Diesel like pulling power, at least diesels from a decade ago. The article mentions that the Silverado recorded the highest highway mileage of 19.1 mpg. I now have just over 6000 miles on my truck and routinely records 20.6 MPG average over a 300 mile highway drive with cruise set at 65 mph. In all seriousness, that 6.2 just gets up and goes, no turbo lag. Oh and the sound it makes when you floor it is intoxicating.

So I can't still buy this ford and tank propane right from the factory ? How much is extra CNG staff and labour to make it work on CNG ?
It's not really CNG ready like RAM, just capable, like headline says.
LAME.

Scott and LMAO: Hope you enjoyed the comparison. That was the only comparison I could fine with the 6.2 with the 8 speed against the 3.5 ecoboost . Unfortunately, the Z-71 off-road package isn't offered on the High Country. The High Country is clearly a highway cruiser with Diesel like pulling power, at least diesels from a decade ago. The article mentions that the Silverado recorded the highest highway mileage of 19.1 mpg. I now have just over 6000 miles on my truck and routinely records 20.6 MPG average over a 300 mile highway drive with cruise set at 65 mph. In all seriousness, that 6.2 just gets up and goes, no turbo lag. Oh and the sound it makes when you floor it is intoxicating.

Posted by: GMSRGREAT | Dec 21, 2015 10:34:50 PM

Actually it was pretty good. Not many comparison articles out there between the two. I actually liked the link in that magazine for the watercraft. I really like the seadoo RXPX300. Almost bought a new RXPX260 last year but it was really not my riding style. I still prefer the light high powered 2 stroke muscle craft from the early 2000s. I have much more fun jumping large waves. If I can get enough air to look down at someone on their boat I'm not happy. I still may get the RXPX300 for the wife. She likes cruising more.

As you can see if you read the article or click on the press release... $6000-$9500 is the cost of the upfit. So that is installed. Tanks, lines and injectors. CNG tanks are expensive. If you can take those tanks with you you have huge savings. As well as injectors.

I think one company with a team demonstrated a 2 hr and 15 minute CNG install on an older f150 with a 5.4 just to showcase there products.

So for a couple k I would think you could have an installer switch your stuff.... Maybe less. Dunno. Definetly not the full price that you paid for the first install.

blah blah Gmsgreat. You posted a link showing and explaining how the ford is better. Not you back pedal. You should watch there vid on there review as well if your reading comprehension is bad.

So I can't still buy this ford and tank propane right from the factory ? How much is extra CNG staff and labour to make it work on CNG ?
It's not really CNG ready like RAM, just capable, like headline says.
LAME.

Posted by: RAM | Dec 21, 2015 10:35:47 PM

I found it little hard to find but the Ram CNG option is $11,000. I also found links for the Ford add on tanks and it goes through the dealer and is warranted buy Ford if you go through and authorized upfitter.not sure on price yet but it seems like you get more options that way.

At Scott: I could post a link where the reviewer picks the chevy over the Ford if you want. That`s easy. The point was how the chevy drivetrain is a clear winner for feel and towing ability, along with clearly better interior. Just look at the pics and read the final thoughts again.

At Scott: I could post a link where the reviewer picks the chevy over the Ford if you want. That`s easy. The point was how the chevy drivetrain is a clear winner for feel and towing ability, along with clearly better interior. Just look at the pics and read the final thoughts again.

CNG tanks are expensive. If you can take those tanks with you you have huge savings. As well as injectors.
Posted by: scott | Dec 21, 2015 10:52:39 PM

That's exactly what you can do with RAM. Nobody can stop you.

I don't see even one component different between RAM and Ford. At least you didn't mention any.

CNG tanks are expensive. If you can take those tanks with you you have huge savings. As well as injectors.
Posted by: scott | Dec 21, 2015 10:52:39 PM

That's exactly what you can do with RAM. Nobody can stop you.

I don't see even one component different between RAM and Ford. At least you didn't mention any.

An advantage to just getting the prep package is it is $350.00. So if your company needs to spend the capital on trucks ASAP and the budget is not yet there for CNG, you can hold off and get the conversion later.

Or never.

That's exactly what you can do with RAM. Nobody can stop you.

I don't see even one component different between RAM and Ford. At least you didn't mention any.

Posted by: RAM | Dec 21, 2015 11:11:22 PM

You cant order a seperate engine prep only package on the ram.... So if you were to move old equipment to a brand new ram that you didn't order the $11k package you are going to need to tear into the new motor to upgrade it to run natural gas with longevity. Valves, seats pistons and rings, like they do at the hemi factory. Also if you chose not to upgrade those engine components like ram does from the factory and run natural gas anyway I'm sure your warranty would be voided. Also the ram CNG package comes with a 8 gallon unleaded fuel tank so once you pull all that stuff off you are only going to have a 8 gallon tank on a 2500! Lol

From Gmsgreat link. Lol
On the road, we had no complaints with the Chevy’s suspension, although it didn’t offer quite as much cushion over speed bumps and driveways as the Ford's. In the dirt, however, it was obvious that the Silverado's coilover front shock absorbers are not as composed during spirited off-road driving. We found ourselves bouncing excessively in the Silverado while chasing the F-150. A little more travel and more rebound would go a long way toward improving the Silverado in the dirt.

At Scott:
Although the Ford may have scored higher overall on our score sheets, the Silverado is still a great truck – in fact, we know that some people will want the more traditional Silverado in their driveway, and we certainly wouldn't discount it. The Chevy's 6.2-liter V8 proves true the old adage that there’s no replacement for displacement as soon as you step on the gas pedal. It earned higher marks in our tow testing, and its interior layout is preferred among our testers (and their wives). The Silverado is a proven commodity.

I didn`t have too look no farther than right here on Pickup trucks.com. http://special-reports.pickuptrucks.com/2015-light-duty-v-8-challenge.html Can you say FORD FAIL.