Lets hope heavier-duty full-floating rear axles will find their way on Transit duallies for '17...

This is a significant recall. I would as soon as possible have Ford rectify the problem.

Not many vehicles are affected, but still a poor quality control issue by the looks of it.

I wonder what else has slipped through the net?

I suppose a sheared axle will slow things down a little!

Well, quality control again.

Well that would really suck to loose your ability to move. the only light at the end of this tunnel is it is low volume.

In all honesty, Ford probably doesn't make the axles, it's just made to their specs. LOL

In all honesty, Ford probably doesn't make the axles, it's just made to their specs. LOL

Posted by: GMSRGREAT | Dec 22, 2015 4:56:58 PM

These may be DANA 70s. They are full floating so the wheels wont go anywhere. Including turning. Econoline use the 70 for the dually.

Oh noooo part3. Are these from American axle?

This can't be true. 3 ford recalls in one day ? I heard from fboys last time, that ford is perfect and safe. What a nightmare.

Yep perfect, zero defects. Ever peek inside a ford dealer service area? Looks like a ghost town. Mechanics sitting around playing cards or watching tv, tools clean and unused, tumbleweeds blowing through...

GUTS

GLORY

BEST IN CLASS PROMASTER VANS

RAM

All these recalls make me think a few things. 2 of them are , too much tech these days, and another is i bet half or more of these recalls would never have occurred 40 years ago for many reasons . companies seem to be able to access these mistakes early on and notice them in larger numbers. Good for us. Stuff like this still should never slip through the assembly line even though.

To be fair, it's kinda hard to see air lines blowing around under the truck on the assembly line. These days dot jerks will write up air lines with scuff marks on em. Do I get brownie points for defending ford?

Dang. So many ford recall alerts today, I put this on the wrong article

This
van
is not made in Europe or just the design,,

What kind of junk is Ford putting out?
First it was the transmissions, then the eco-boost turbo failure, now the rear axles shearing off?
What's next?
The glued together aluminum body panels coming apart?
I question the safety of the aluminum panels falling off as you're driving on the highway and hitting another car. The same way the highways are littered with plastic drop in bed liners that fly out on the highway.

Tell me? How's that glue going to work in extreme cold or hot temps? Does that glue expand and contract with the aluminum?
I don't think so!

Hey everybody look at me! I am driving a truck made from recycled beer cans, duh! it won't rust, sure I paid $10K more and my insurance went up 30% but it's worth it cause its sooo cool.

3900 total vehicles recalled today. That is apx how many days gm denied they had ignition switch issues and close to how many recalls the had on there all new 2014 pickups as well.
And that is how many different times my ram was recalled for the same steering issues. Just had to wait that many business hours for the parts to fix the steering to come in of back order from there Somalian parts provider

Wow Ford recall week!

3900 total vehicles recalled today. That is apx how many days gm denied they had ignition switch issues and close to how many recalls the had on there all new 2014 pickups as well.
And that is how many different times my ram was recalled for the same steering issues. Just had to wait that many business hours for the parts to fix the steering to come in of back order from there Somalian parts provider

Posted by: scott | Dec 23, 2015 12:54:26 AM

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Ladies and Gentlemen,

I give you "Deflection".

Why can't you guys talk sensibly about vehicles without getting butt hurt. I'm guessing some of you would buy a certain vehicle brand even if you had the dealer tell you it's the biggest baddest out there, but you don't get an engine or transmission.

That didn't take long. The morons at Ford need to keep
asking themselves this question:

" Explain again, why did we discontinue the E-Series? "

This kind of thing happens in manufacturing, especially at the start of a production run. It just does- regardless if you're Ford, GM, FCA, Toyota, Daimler, VW, Toyota, Nissan or Honda. Somewhere, there was a process not set up quite right. No incidents- no re-engineering, no cause for jumping on the "Ford sucks" bandwagon.

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Ladies and Gentlemen,

I give you "Deflection".

Why can't you guys talk sensibly about vehicles without getting butt hurt. I'm guessing some of you would buy a certain vehicle brand even if you had the dealer tell you it's the biggest baddest out there, but you don't get an engine or transmission.

Posted by: andrwken | Dec 23, 2015 6:49:05 AM

Are you new around here??? This is how it always goes. Why change now. It's fun! 3900 vehicles. Wow!!!! That like an hours worth of product for ford in the us. Let's talk about recalls how bout those 50,000 plus jeeps recalled for fire http://www.carscoops.com/2015/12/jeep-recalling-over-55000-cherokees.html?m=1

@louDC. How many planes do you see flying apart in mid air?? How about all the other vehicles made from aluminum?? None. Just remember that GM is headed for aluminum too so I guess ram will follow or get sucked down the drain. I guess you'll just have to eat CROW then.

@truck crazy:
GM has been using aluminum in body panels for years. The earliest example I can think of is 78 Buick regal. The hood was aluminum. There were other vehicles over the years including the current GM full size twins, that use the aluminum hood. However, I have worked at a GM test facility for years, and have seen several tests that were focused on light weight materials. I'm not so sure that GM is concentrating on developing an all aluminum body such as Ford has done. As was illustrated in a comparison article that was a heated debate yesterday. Similar equipped vehicles (2015 f-150 platinum vs Hight Country), the aluminum F-150 offered very insignificant weight savings (81 ibs).

Seat belt failure is much more life threatening, than some stupid lifgate modul don't you think?
BTW. Are we discussing suv at PUTC now?

Merry Christmas.

@ram

We are posting in a van recall thread on putc.....

A seatbelt is not needed unless you get in a wreck. Don't park those jeeps in the garage cause they will burn your house down while you sleep

At gms great
The platinum is so much more plush and more features then a high country. A high country is comparable to a lariat which is a lot lighter then a platinum.

Cadillac is gm's test bed for the rest of the gm line up. Here is the future of gm trucks. Structural adhesives and aluminum.
http://media.gm.com/media/us/en/cadillac/vehicles/ats/2013.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2013/May/0509-cadillac-cts.html

@Scott
There is a potential of fire, no one case reported. I'd rather have that , than potential seat belt failure. Don't you think?

There is a potential of fire, no one case reported. I'd rather have that , than potential seat belt failure. Don't you think?

Posted by: RAM | Dec 23, 2015 12:54:17 PM

Well then is it not great that it was caught early and all the owners are now notified. It does help to read the recall also. The seat belt will not fail. The pretensioner may not tighten up the belt in the event of a deployment. These pretensioners will tighten up the belt a few inches to hold you even tighter to the seat. The entire structure is still there and works. It appears that this is a possible electrical issue. As in the past if there was an issue with the seat belt holding and failing at all the owners would get a warning to not drive their truck and given a rental. Still not a good recall but from the information in the recall letter it is not a base seat belt issue but a pretensioner issue. Something that needs fixed right away.

At ram
And if you read there has been no accidents or injuries due to the seat belt either. Neither really are a issue cause none have caused a problem and will be fixed. Of the 55k jeeps maybe they found 1 or 2 that could cause a issue so they just replace all in a certain time frame. Just like they maybe found 1 or 2 seat belt issues... Doesn't mean all are bad but they choose to replace a certain window of vehicles. To find out if you have a seatbelt issue you would have to get in a wreck which is rare in itself and then you would have to have a seatbelt lock mechanism fail which if it is a recalled part doesn't mean automatically fail.

Like my ram 5500. I drove around on recalled steer for almost a year waiting on parts.... Even though it was recalled it didn't fail. A recall doesn't mean an automatic failure.

A seatbelt is not needed unless you get in a wreck.

Posted by: scott | Dec 23, 2015 12:40:34 PM

Just don't get in a wreck . You will never know, if seat belt failed.

To me because no issues have been reported yet it likely caused an airbag light to turn on. This may be how it was caught from warranty repairs. If I was to take an educated guess at the issue, the airbag light will turn on before anything else.

We get the European Ford Transits with the 2.2 litre Diesels.No they have had no major issues, but not selling all that well, despite good reviews. Major competition is a Renault Van, plus all the sundry Japanese, Korean and other European Vans in this segment of the market

Ram
Or you could grab the seatbelt and jerk to see if it locks....

@Scott: there's no mention of pick-ups in that article, it is about Cadillacs. Try to stay in the truck world.
Platinum is no more plush than the High Country. However, the Ford may have a couple more electronic gizmos to keep you Ford kids entertained, but it is not more plush.

Robert Ryan,
Since the move away from the 3.2 Transits I do believe Transit numbers have dropped. We only receive the 2.2 because of EU regulations.

I would rather us get the US Transit with the NA V6 or the 3.2 Duratorq diesel. You can leave those parasitic EcoThirsts in the US.

Or you could grab the seatbelt and jerk to see if it locks....
Posted by: scott | Dec 23, 2015 1:58:36 PM

What if it doesn't locks, like on any modern car like RAM I drive and locks only when accident detected? What's your suggestion then ?

What if it doesn't locks, like on any modern car like RAM I drive and locks only when accident detected? What's your suggestion then ?

Posted by: RAM | Dec 23, 2015 3:43:25 PM

Yes you are right, the seat belt retractor is loaded with a device that measures the rate of deceleration and locks the retractor. It is really a simple device. However this is not the recalled part. The buckle is the part that your seat belts clicks into. The inboard part. That is a permanent anchor point. The pretensioner is built inside and pulls the buckle down to tighten the seat belt further in the event of an air bag deployment or when the conditions are present. These are a one time use only device and must be replaced whenever they are deployed. Be very careful on buying used and there is evidence of an accident. I have seen on multiple occasions where a bodyshop will add a resistor to the circuit to fool the airbag system and pocket the money for a new retractor. Most people would never even know it.

Opps, I have to make a correction. The buckle on the new F150 does not contain the pretensioner like previous vehicles. It is part of the retractor at the mounting point at the floor. A cable is connected to the base of this mounting point to pull the webbing tighter during deployment.

At ram
My 2015 vw locks if I give the belt a sharp tug, my 2014 f150 locks quick sharp tug. My buddies 2014 ram 1500 locks with a sharp tug as well. All our ram and ford work trucks lock with sharp tugs as well. On our work truck of ford and Rams it almost impossible to put your seatbelt while drive down a wash board gravel road cause it won't pay out.

My 2010 4x4 HEMI RAM Laramie doesn't locks. What do I do now ?

Great, now you guys have me wondering about the trucks at work and my stuff now. I know the International Durastars we have suck for the seat belts locking with any sudden jarring and a pain sometimes to unlock.

My 2010 4x4 HEMI RAM Laramie doesn't locks. What do I do now ?

Posted by: RAM | Dec 23, 2015 5:27:38 PM

It is possible that there are some design changes. The only way you could know if there is a change, at least an easy way is to check the part numbers. Your seatbelts by be a different model as other trucks.

Yep, cheap versions locks and it's pain it the butt if you can't move freely, like I can. Driver and passenger seats move freely, rear seats locks.
I know, what I would be missing, if I drive ford.
Thank you RAM 1500 Laramie.
Merry Christmas bitches !

Ram,
I agree with you. Safety devices and safety critical items are more important than some piece of bling.

My wife's Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk doesn't locks as well .You can pull as hard as you want to. You can move around and reach what ever you want to without restrictions and without unbuckle your seatbelt, compromising your safety.
Thank you FCA for this feature. It should be standard in 21.century.
Ford and GM has cheap standards.

My wife's Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk doesn't locks as well .You can pull as hard as you want to. You can move around and reach what ever you want to without restrictions and without unbuckle your seatbelt, compromising your safety.
Thank you FCA for this feature. It should be standard in 21.century.
Ford and GM has cheap standards.

Posted by: RAM | Dec 24, 2015 12:53:24 AM

There is a huge difference between being able to move around freely vs the seat belt locking up during a sudden high energy jerk of the belt motion. I have yet to be in any brand vehicle that you do not have the ability to move freely in the seat. In some cases as Scott pointed out you can be going over some severely rough roads an it may activate the locking mechanism for the belts. He also pointed out that he can get it to happen on the Fiat product his company owns. But sometimes you have to put a Rambot twist on things.

@LMAO
Well, I can move as fast as I want to around, on any road, even very rough road and front driver and passenger seat belts doesn't locks at my RAM 1500 Laramie and Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk. This system is more expensive , but much more convenient, than system you and Scott is experiencing in the ford.
I am happy, I don't deal with the pain in the butt , you have every day. I wish, you could too one day. At least on Christmas.

@LMAO
Well, I can move as fast as I want to around, on any road, even very rough road and front driver and passenger seat belts doesn't locks at my RAM 1500 Laramie and Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk. This system is more expensive , but much more convenient, than system you and Scott is experiencing in the ford.
I am happy, I don't deal with the pain in the butt , you have every day. I wish, you could too one day. At least on Christmas.

Posted by: RAM | Dec 24, 2015 11:07:54 AM

Hmmmm. it may have more to do with actual physical differences between you and I. A friend of mine has a 2011 Fiat truck and just 30 minutes ago i was able to get it to lock up. It took similar effort as my 04 Ford. Remember some of us are more than online keyboard cowgirls. Some of us are actually active and go outside and go to the gym to maintain a certain level of health.

Hmmmm. it may have more to do with actual physical differences between you and I. A friend of mine has a 2011 Fiat truck and just 30 minutes ago i was able to get it to lock up. It took similar effort as my 04 Ford. Remember some of us are more than online keyboard cowgirls. Some of us are actually active and go outside and go to the gym to maintain a certain level of health.

Posted by: LMAO | Dec 24, 2015 11:24:04 AM

There must be some physical differences, but I am sure there are also IQ differences . My system is clearly different and it activates only when in the crash. It's more sophisticated, more convenient system. No cheap mechanical locks, but electronically controlled. It looks, that only higher models has this, like my RAM 1500 Laramie and Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk, if I should believe you and Scott which is questionable. My rear seats has exactly same system you are experiencing. Locks instantly, when I pull faster, locks when on rough road , unable to buckle up. Same system cheaper models has at front seats as well, like you and Scott.
My driver and passenger seat belts doesn't locks like that.
It's must for offroading. I really enjoy this freedom I can buckle, when already moving even on very rough road . I know, how painful it must be, when you have to stop the truck to buckle up, because your seat belt just locks and you can't pull more to finish it.
Thank you FIAT for this feature other guys don't have. Very convenient.