Spied: 2017 Ford F-150 TurboDiesel

F-150 diesel 4 II

Our clever spy photographers are seeing some interesting tailpipes on pickup trucks driving around Dearborn, Mich., as rumors continue to surround a new turbo-diesel Ford F-150 for next year. With the Ram 1500 EcoDiesel's success, we knew it wouldn't be long before Ford jumped in this arena. Ford has been waiting to see if the demand was there. Clearly, there is. Here's the note we just received.

This is the Ford F-150 caught testing in Dearborn with a camo'd bed, Venturi exhaust tip, and very likely a new 3.0-liter V-6 diesel engine under the hood.

Not wanting the fuel economy crown to go to the Ram 1500 EcoDiesel among full-size pickups, Ford is preparing to introduce a new turbo-diesel to the popular F-150 lineup.

While many have been predicting Ford would use the 3.2-liter five-cylinder Power Stroke diesel that's been federalized for the Transit line of full-size vans, our sources say the company will use the Lion 3.0-liter V-6. This 3.0-liter unit is basically what Jaguar Land Rover has just certified and introduced to Americans in the new Range Rover and Range Rover Sport Td6 models; in that configuration it has a rating of 254 horsepower and 440 pounds-feet of torque.

We're also hearing the diesel is slated to use the new 10-speed automatic transmission that debuts in the 2017 Raptor. That may push its overall efficiency even higher than the Ram's and into 30-mpg territory, which could also compete with the figures offered by the recently introduced Chevy Colorado and GMC Canyon four-cylinder turbo-diesel.

We expect a diesel F-150 to go on sale sometime around fall 2016.

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F-150 diesel BW 2 II

F-150 diesel BW II

 

Comments

It will be interesting to see how successful it will be with gas prices so low.

Ford has had a diesel for a very long time to put in the F150. Even back when they had a relationship with International. I guess time will tell if they go that route. At least Fat Albert Of Oz should be excited over this. If it can perform when towing as good as the 3.5L Ecoboost engine then it should be a good option for the towing guys. If it is slow like the EcoFiat then to me it is just for the FE guys.

Great.. Source an engine from a company who is known to have reliability issues.. Go get that 5L cummins and outsell everyone..

5.0 cummins get like 15 mpg in the 3/4 ton Titan. It would be luck to get 17 mpg in a halfton. That is the reason ram didn't take it was horrible mpg's

Ford originally developed that engine in the UK for Jaguar and Land Rover. That should do very well, and of course in North America, it will be called a Power Stroke.

I still take the Cummins design in question for the heads. Same design as the International DT365 (aka 6.0L) with head bolts on each side of the cylinders with not top and bottom bolts. International had issues with a bigger sized engine and cast iron heads. Cummins uses less CC but similar power output as the 6.0L and use aluminum heads. Both GM and Ford on their current diesels use aluminum heads and bolts on either side of the cylinder and top and bottom of the cylinder. I hope i'm wrong and history does not repeat itself. I've been on some Fiat forums and some guys were lifting heads on the 6.7L Cummins.

"30-mpg territory" WOW, better fuel mileage than the Colorado/Canyon Twins????

This mill will deliver some +35 mpg and a hefty 440 lb/ft of torque.

Its far more than the current 3,5 liter EcoBoost is producing. It´s going to be a hit

RAM is a leader, ford follows as usual. Aluminium didn't help. Ford needs diesel and 10 speed. Just one more year to wait for ford customers. Plain and simple.

RAM is a leader, ford follows as usual. Aluminium didn't help. Ford needs diesel and 10 speed. Just one more year to wait for ford customers. Plain and simple.

Posted by: zvier@ | Dec 19, 2015 11:05:18 AM

Yes, Fiat is the leader
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/27/business/fiat-chrysler-faces-record-105-million-fine-for-safety-issues.html?_r=0

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/fiat-chrysler-pay-70-million-fine-us-government-35693920

but not in a good way. So stay on your Canadian best FE thread.

I'll give 2.7 ecoboost not even one more year in f150 before they discontinue that useless thirsty truck engine.


I posted several times at Canadian Truck King Challenge, that 2.7 ecoboost is useless thirsty truck engine with worse FE than 3.5 ecoboost and ford will ditch it as soon as they have diesel and voila, that article where I am right again is here. Feels good.
Ford always follows.
RAM is a leader.


RAM is a leader.

Posted by: zvier@ | Dec 19, 2015 11:39:16 AM

Yes in poor reliability.

https://www.cars.com/articles/consumer-reports-reliability-study-toyota-thrives-fiat-fails-1420682551916/

RAM is a leader.

Posted by: zvier@ | Dec 19, 2015 11:39:16 AM

Yes in poor reliability

https://www.cars.com/articles/consumer-reports-reliability-study-toyota-thrives-fiat-fails-1420682551916/

The 3 litre V6 Lion is an expensive engine. It 's quite a nice engine to drive with ample power. I have driven vehicles fitted with the Lion V6, a Ford Territory.

I do think the guys are dreaming if they think it will be more economical than the VM V6 diesel. FE will be around the same.

This engine is a step in the right direction for the aluminium F-150, but as I mentioned it will make an already expensive vehicle more expensive.

Even though it would of been slower I would of like to have seen the 3.2 Duratorq fitted to the F-150. This engine would of helped contain costs.

I do believe Ford will attempt to emulate the success Ram has had with it's VM V6 diesel in the 1500. FCA anticipated a 10% take up rate with the little diesel Ram, but the figures are double.

The same has occurred with the Colorado/Canyon. The take up rate is higher for these midsizers than many would of considered possible. Now with a diesel midsizer available brings the US pickups ever closer to what we have.

Yup, I have been predicting this for years. I wonder if the diesel will help Ford? The Lion V6 F-150 will be uncompetitive with the XD Titan, like the VM Ram is.

I agree with you Big Al from Oz, that this diesel won't have better FE than Ecodiesel. Look at the Canyon FE. It's not that easy accomplished what RAM has done. It will be just ford alternative for diesel option, like RAM has for years, because 2.7 ecoboost is clearly not FE and will be ditched from f150 line, because it didn't take off. It will be more expensive truck than RAM, because of aluminium body. They still have to build that factory for 10 speed I keep hearing for last 4 years and there won't be real advantage of 10 speed over upgraded ZF8 speed 2nd Generation anyway.

The second generation ZF 8HP automatic was first used in the BMW 520d. “Comprehensive” changes have lower drag torque, a higher gear spread (distance between first and eighth), and lower vibration.

The changes, which increase efficiency “by up to 3%,” were partly made to deal with small, turbocharged engines, and to work better with engines that reach peak torque early on (such as diesels). The latter required a higher gear range, so that the eight-speed will move from 7.0 to 7.8 — incidentally beating the eight-speed currently used by General Motors.

Internal losses were cut partly by adding sprints into the multidisk packages of the shift elements, to almost fully open friction shift elements and thereby cause less drag torque. Power losses were cut by over two thirds, according to ZF.
Creep torque has been cut by fully opening a clutch during deceleration and when the vehicle is stopped, so that drivers don’t have to brake to keep the car from moving (which may feel odd to some drivers). The oil pump pressure has been cut in pressure by around 30%.
New torsional vibration dampers eliminate vibrations from the engine, stopping them from moving along the driveline and into the driveline and the body.
The new torque converter allows faster transmission of power and lets lock-up occur much earlier.

Coasting with the transmission uncoupled can now occur at speeds up to around 100 mph, and stop-start systems can now work immediately instead of after 1.5 seconds.
The transmission also improves downshifts, providing nested multiple downshifts for even quicker response times.

http://www.allpar.com/mopar/transmissions/ZF8.html

Automated air dam coming to 2018 Rams

http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php/2015/10/automated-air-dam-coming-to-2018-rams-30210

Yes, RAM is a technology leader.

I agree with you Big Al from Oz.

Yes, RAM is a technology leader.

Posted by: zvier@ | Dec 19, 2015 12:59:18 PM

yea right. They BUY everything. You even proved that in your post with the ZF transmission. These are transmissions forsale. Fiat does not lead for technology. Epic fail HAHAHAHAHA. At least Ford and GM tend to do most of their stuff in house while your fiat looks on amazon and JC Whitney for its next product development. Truly classic rambot.

RAM bought ZF licence and has own 8 speed factory. They modified ZF design to meet Chrysler needs. Nothing wrong to use some best component and improve, instead of building their own krap and discontinued after one year. There wouldn't be world or US without Chrysler as we know it. Thanks to FIAT to save this iconic brand and best engineers.

http://www.allpar.com//history/military/quiz/

http://www.allpar.com/history/index.html

Ford customers bends over and are guinea pigs. They use to buy what ford tells them in commercial. I can't wait for ford small diesel commercial. It will start like this. " Best in class...."
LOL.

The 3 litre V6 Lion is an expensive engine. It 's quite a nice engine to drive with ample power. I have driven vehicles fitted with the Lion V6, a Ford Territory.

I do think the guys are dreaming if they think it will be more economical than the VM V6 diesel. FE will be around the same.

This engine is a step in the right direction for the aluminium F-150, but as I mentioned it will make an already expensive vehicle more expensive.

Even though it would of been slower I would of like to have seen the 3.2 Duratorq fitted to the F-150. This engine would of helped contain costs.

I do believe Ford will attempt to emulate the success Ram has had with it's VM V6 diesel in the 1500. FCA anticipated a 10% take up rate with the little diesel Ram, but the figures are double.

The same has occurred with the Colorado/Canyon. The take up rate is higher for these midsizers than many would of considered possible. Now with a diesel midsizer available brings the US pickups ever closer to what we have.

Yup, I have been predicting this for years. I wonder if the diesel will help Ford? The Lion V6 F-150 will be uncompetitive with the XD Titan, like the VM Ram is.

The 3 litre V6 Lion is an expensive engine. It 's quite a nice engine to drive with ample power. I have driven vehicles fitted with the Lion V6, a Ford Territory.

I do think the guys are dreaming if they think it will be more economical than the VM V6 diesel. FE will be around the same.

This engine is a step in the right direction for the aluminium F-150, but as I mentioned it will make an already expensive vehicle more expensive.

Even though it would of been slower I would of like to have seen the 3.2 Duratorq fitted to the F-150. This engine would of helped contain costs.

I do believe Ford will attempt to emulate the success Ram has had with it's VM V6 diesel in the 1500. FCA anticipated a 10% take up rate with the little diesel Ram, but the figures are double.

The same has occurred with the Colorado/Canyon. The take up rate is higher for these midsizers than many would of considered possible. Now with a diesel midsizer available brings the US pickups ever closer to what we have.

Yup, I have been predicting this for years. I wonder if the diesel will help Ford? The Lion V6 F-150 will be uncompetitive with the XD Titan, like the VM Ram is.

The 3 litre V6 Lion is an expensive engine. It 's quite a nice engine to drive with ample power. I have driven vehicles fitted with the Lion V6, a Ford Territory.

I do think the guys are dreaming if they think it will be more economical than the VM V6 diesel. FE will be around the same.

This engine is a step in the right direction for the aluminium F-150, but as I mentioned it will make an already expensive vehicle more expensive.

Even though it would of been slower I would of like to have seen the 3.2 Duratorq fitted to the F-150. This engine would of helped contain costs.

I do believe Ford will attempt to emulate the success Ram has had with it's VM V6 diesel in the 1500. FCA anticipated a 10% take up rate with the little diesel Ram, but the figures are double.

The same has occurred with the Colorado/Canyon. The take up rate is higher for these midsizers than many would of considered possible. Now with a diesel midsizer available brings the US pickups ever closer to what we have.

Yup, I have been predicting this for years. I wonder if the diesel will help Ford? The Lion V6 F-150 will be uncompetitive with the XD Titan, like the VM Ram is.

The 3 litre V6 Lion is an expensive engine. It 's quite a nice engine to drive with ample power. I have driven vehicles fitted with the Lion V6, a Ford Territory.

I do think the guys are dreaming if they think it will be more economical than the VM V6 diesel. FE will be around the same.

This engine is a step in the right direction for the aluminium F-150, but as I mentioned it will make an already expensive vehicle more expensive.

Even though it would of been slower I would of like to have seen the 3.2 Duratorq fitted to the F-150. This engine would of helped contain costs.

I do believe Ford will attempt to emulate the success Ram has had with it's VM V6 diesel in the 1500. FCA anticipated a 10% take up rate with the little diesel Ram, but the figures are double.

The same has occurred with the Colorado/Canyon. The take up rate is higher for these midsizers than many would of considered possible. Now with a diesel midsizer available brings the US pickups ever closer to what we have.

Yup, I have been predicting this for years. I wonder if the diesel will help Ford? The Lion V6 F-150 will be uncompetitive with the XD Titan, like the VM Ram is.

RAM bought ZF licence and has own 8 speed factory. They modified ZF design to meet Chrysler needs. Nothing wrong to use some best component and improve, instead of building their own krap and discontinued after one year. There wouldn't be world or US without Chrysler as we know it. Thanks to FIAT to save this iconic brand and best engineers.

http://www.allpar.com//history/military/quiz/

http://www.allpar.com/history/index.html

Ford customers bends over and are guinea pigs. They use to buy what ford tells them in commercial. I can't wait for ford small diesel commercial. It will start like this. " Best in class...."
LOL.

Posted by: zvier@ | Dec 19, 2015 1:44:02 PM

Exactly. Fiat cannot design their own crap so they have to buy some other companies ideas. Nice try.

FYI Ford used the 5R110W from 2003 till 2015. Their own design for trucks and vans. Bullet proof reputation. The Ford 6R series rear drive transmission has been used since 2007 and is still in production with the smaller units in Expedition. Transit, and F150. The larger capacity in Superduty, F53 and F59 chassis plus F650/750s. Again all Ford design and bullet proof reputation.

Try again Rambot.

It was only a matter of time that Ford finally decided to put a diesel in their light duty trucks. It'll be interesting to see what the competition will look like when the electrification and hydrogen races become more prominent.

I hope this happens . Maybe GM will follow with a diesel option on the Chevy 1500 and Sierra 1500 ! I have read that GM can make a 6 cylinder out of the Colorado 4 cylinder diesel .

LAMO, come, DiM, Alex and the other troulling titles you use,
Why do you attempt to belittle people?

Does this make you blow in your pants, or what?

The only reason you do this on PUTC is due to the lax security.

Are you a sociopath? Control and winning is all you are concerned with.

Do you arrive at pleasure by your actions?

You are a weak human.

I will try again.
My 545 RFE Chrysler transmission since 2001 is bulletprof. Not even one problem in Durango with 265,000kms I sold, not even one problem in RAM 1500 Laramie with 165,000kms.
What's your problem ?

Warazawanga,
I would like to know when Ford will announce the return of the Ranger.

But, Ford first need to recoup some of the massive development and retooling costs of the aluminium pickups.

Ford made a poor decision. Ford would of been better of just offering this V6 diesel in a highly revamped old steel F-150. Ford could of save at least 400lbs on that truck.

Not interested in the diesel that costs thousands more. Any decent midrange trim with a diesel will be over $50k US. Thanks but no thanks. But I am interested in the 2017 refresh. It will be yuggggge!

zvier@,
Be careful at what you are placing on PUTC. Don't just "go off" emotionally.

Look at how and what they are presenting to you. Alex and LAMO, are all the same. They will purposely understate and overstate inaccuracies to wind you up. Let it go and concentrate on facts.

Like the poor FE from the aluminium F-150. This they can't dispute. Worrying about 0-60 times, load and tow, etc are trivial.

Concentrate on consumer perception.

A f150 diesel won't sell well. It will just be a token best in class claim. But you will see additional payoff of the aluminum develops by ford even more then currently. Even with diesel and hybrid they will be the lightest in class. They already get the best gas powered mpg's according to the Canadian truck results but deliver superior performance while getting the best mpg's. You aren't going to get any better mpg in the ram ecodiesel without going aluminum.... And light weight.

The race to govt mpg mandate isn't going to be achieved by diesel and heavy steel. Ford chose to do the hardest part first. The 2016 f150's are even lighter then the 2015's

@Scott
Of course you can get better FE without aluminium, like Sergio stated many times-they will get there with technology, not with expensive aluminium. 2nd generation 8 speed is 3% more efficient already, automatic air dam will help as well. 8 speed is fully ready for belt start - stop system, hybrid system from start as well. Aluminium won't help achieve what this technology does. 2.7 ecoboost in aluminium truck is clear example of this ford fail.

Ram VM is maxed out on mpg. Start stop on a diesel would really shorten its life and only improves around town mpg's you add hybrid system on a full loaded ram Eco diesel it will push its weight into 3/4 ton class to get any capability. Add a couple hundred pounds of hybrid drive train/battery to a ram you will have either a 1/2 ton truck with really poor capacities or they have to bump its rating into hd category to get respectable ratings. The same thing Nissan ran into with there xd..... Too heavy to license it as a 1/2 ton and a really incapable 3/4 ton.

Dave Z,
The cost of pickups in the US will rise and continue to outstrip the CPI. This is a given.

You will see more and more businesses move over to the little EU vans with 2 litre gas engines more and more.

You will see more businesses move to the larger Transit style vehicles as well, with smaller engines in lieu of some of the HD work. Not all HDs are just used to tow.

The big three will soon realise that this load and tow race is just that a race with no real benefits for the consumer.

There is only so much need for these vehicles. They are nice and great and offer some fantastic performance, but is it required by business?

Because as you stated pickups are becoming more expensive, they will become more of a SUV/car alternative than they already are. 75% are just that. Even many business pickups, even though they are a tax deduction are in fact daily drivers.

My step brothers neighbour in NJ had a pickup as a business write off. I asked him why doesn't he use it for work, his comment was it's what the wife drives and I still use the van with the tools in the back and a tandem wheel trailer to carry building materials.

So many business pickups are not working vehicles. Just a tax dodge.

Prices will rise to the point were pickups will become less viable as the most economical vehicle for business.

The EU can function quite successfully without pickups for work.

Pickups are going the way of horses. There was a time when horses where the engines and vehicles of work. Now they are just recreational toys, like 75% of pickups.

Dave Z,
The cost of pickups in the US will rise and continue to outstrip the CPI. This is a given.

You will see more and more businesses move over to the little EU vans with 2 litre gas engines more and more.

You will see more businesses move to the larger Transit style vehicles as well, with smaller engines in lieu of some of the HD work. Not all HDs are just used to tow.

The big three will soon realise that this load and tow race is just that a race with no real benefits for the consumer.

There is only so much need for these vehicles. They are nice and great and offer some fantastic performance, but is it required by business?

Because as you stated pickups are becoming more expensive, they will become more of a SUV/car alternative than they already are. 75% are just that. Even many business pickups, even though they are a tax deduction are in fact daily drivers.

My step brothers neighbour in NJ had a pickup as a business write off. I asked him why doesn't he use it for work, his comment was it's what the wife drives and I still use the van with the tools in the back and a tandem wheel trailer to carry building materials.

So many business pickups are not working vehicles. Just a tax dodge.

Prices will rise to the point were pickups will become less viable as the most economical vehicle for business.

The EU can function quite successfully without pickups for work.

Pickups are going the way of horses. There was a time when horses where the engines and vehicles of work. Now they are just recreational toys, like 75% of pickups.

Dave Z,
The cost of pickups in the US will rise and continue to outstrip the CPI. This is a given.

You will see more and more businesses move over to the little EU vans with 2 litre gas engines more and more.

You will see more businesses move to the larger Transit style vehicles as well, with smaller engines in lieu of some of the HD work. Not all HDs are just used to tow.

The big three will soon realise that this load and tow race is just that a race with no real benefits for the consumer.

There is only so much need for these vehicles. They are nice and great and offer some fantastic performance, but is it required by business?

Because as you stated pickups are becoming more expensive, they will become more of a SUV/car alternative than they already are. 75% are just that. Even many business pickups, even though they are a tax deduction are in fact daily drivers.

My step brothers neighbour in NJ had a pickup as a business write off. I asked him why doesn't he use it for work, his comment was it's what the wife drives and I still use the van with the tools in the back and a tandem wheel trailer to carry building materials.

So many business pickups are not working vehicles. Just a tax dodge.

Prices will rise to the point were pickups will become less viable as the most economical vehicle for business.

The EU can function quite successfully without pickups for work.

Pickups are going the way of horses. There was a time when horses where the engines and vehicles of work. Now they are just recreational toys, like 75% of pickups.

Dave Z,
The cost of pickups in the US will rise and continue to outstrip the CPI. This is a given.

You will see more and more businesses move over to the little EU vans with 2 litre gas engines more and more.

You will see more businesses move to the larger Transit style vehicles as well, with smaller engines in lieu of some of the HD work. Not all HDs are just used to tow.

The big three will soon realise that this load and tow race is just that a race with no real benefits for the consumer.

There is only so much need for these vehicles. They are nice and great and offer some fantastic performance, but is it required by business?

Because as you stated pickups are becoming more expensive, they will become more of a SUV/car alternative than they already are. 75% are just that. Even many business pickups, even though they are a tax deduction are in fact daily drivers.

My step brothers neighbour in NJ had a pickup as a business write off. I asked him why doesn't he use it for work, his comment was it's what the wife drives and I still use the van with the tools in the back and a tandem wheel trailer to carry building materials.

So many business pickups are not working vehicles. Just a tax dodge.

Prices will rise to the point were pickups will become less viable as the most economical vehicle for business.

The EU can function quite successfully without pickups for work.

Pickups are going the way of horses. There was a time when horses where the engines and vehicles of work. Now they are just recreational toys, like 75% of pickups.

Dave Z,
The cost of pickups in the US will rise and continue to outstrip the CPI. This is a given.

You will see more and more businesses move over to the little EU vans with 2 litre gas engines more and more.

You will see more businesses move to the larger Transit style vehicles as well, with smaller engines in lieu of some of the HD work. Not all HDs are just used to tow.

The big three will soon realise that this load and tow race is just that a race with no real benefits for the consumer.

There is only so much need for these vehicles. They are nice and great and offer some fantastic performance, but is it required by business?

Because as you stated pickups are becoming more expensive, they will become more of a SUV/car alternative than they already are. 75% are just that. Even many business pickups, even though they are a tax deduction are in fact daily drivers.

My step brothers neighbour in NJ had a pickup as a business write off. I asked him why doesn't he use it for work, his comment was it's what the wife drives and I still use the van with the tools in the back and a tandem wheel trailer to carry building materials.

So many business pickups are not working vehicles. Just a tax dodge.

Prices will rise to the point were pickups will become less viable as the most economical vehicle for business.

The EU can function quite successfully without pickups for work.

Pickups are going the way of horses. There was a time when horses where the engines and vehicles of work. Now they are just recreational toys, like 75% of pickups.

remember back in 2004 with the 6.0 diesel?
IT WAS A FAILURE
Correct me, but wasn't that engine the #1 in lemon law claims?
another thing? How many times does Ford have to lie to you about gas mileage before you start to see the light?
Maybe you guys ought to vote for Hillary Clinton if you don't believe the lies.

@Scott
You are wrong, that's why all of that is going to happen, even if you don't like it.
2nd generation 8 speed, Start-Stop, hybrid , automatic air dam, automatic radiator shutters, class leading aero.....

The fake Lou is exactly like Hillary. He cannot win the argument so he changes the topic. Exactly like Hillary. She should not be allowed to run and its a disgrace.

As the real Lou has said, soon the others are going to follow Ford's lead and build their diesels in-house. This is really smart and really works.

Lou DC is johnny doe aka michigan bob aka tom. Fraudulent posters like BAFO. Ignore them.

LAMO, come, DiM, Alex and the other troulling titles you use,
Why do you attempt to belittle people?

IN CAPS FOR A REASON, NOT YELLING. STILL YOU ARE COMPLETELY WRONG. STILL ONLY ONE LMAO AND THAT IS I. MAYBE ONE DAY YOU WILL GET IT IN YOUR HEAD. NOT EVERYONE IS LIKE YOU THAT HAS TO HAVE MULTIPLE NAMES TO HIDE BEHIND ALONG WITH THE FRIENDS YOU YOUR HEAD.

Does this make you blow in your pants, or what?

NOT REALLY, BUT AGAIN I DO NOT CARE.

The only reason you do this on PUTC is due to the lax security.

NOT THE ONLY REASON, BUT THE REASON I POST AS I DO.

Are you a sociopath? Control and winning is all you are concerned with.

I DO NOT WIN ALL THE TIME BUT I DO HAVE A GOOD TRACK RECORD OF DOING SO. THE PROBLEM HERE IS SOME COMPLETE IGNORANCE PEOPLE POST HERE WITH COMPLETE UNTRUTHS LIKE YOU, JOHNNY WELFARE DOE, ZVEIR. IT WOULD BE MUCH NICER WITHOUT YOU 3 HERE. I HAVE READ POST WAY BEFORE I JOINED AND IT HAS BEEN THE SAME COMPLETE NONSENSE FROM YOU GUYS. A BLOG ALWAYS GETS SIDE TRACT FROM EITHER OF YOU 3 GUYS. THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BRAND LOYALTY AND WHAT THE GARBAGE YOU GUYS POST. FYI, NONE OF THESE AUTO COMPANIES ARE LOYAL TO YOU. THEY ARE LOYAL TO MAKING A PROFIT. SOMETHING YOU GUYS SEEM TO NOT UNDERSTAND.

Do you arrive at pleasure by your actions?

ACTUALLY, NOT REALLY. NO EMOTION REALLY. BUT I DO LAUGH A LOT AT SOME OF YOUR POST.

You are a weak human. NOT EVEN CLOSE THERE FAT GIRL FROM OZ. NICE TRY THOUGH.


Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Dec 19, 2015 2:10:24 PM

I will try again.
My 545 RFE Chrysler transmission since 2001 is bulletprof. Not even one problem in Durango with 265,000kms I sold, not even one problem in RAM 1500 Laramie with 165,000kms.
What's your problem ?


Posted by: zvier@ | Dec 19, 2015 2:16:58 PM

Some people have had good luck but as a whole the past transmission coming from Chrysler are very well documented as pure junk. That is why Fiat is sourcing out transmission like ZF and Aisin. Granted Jeep has been using ZF for quite a few years now.

Like the poor FE from the aluminium F-150. This they can't dispute. Worrying about 0-60 times, load and tow, etc are trivial.

Concentrate on consumer perception.


Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Dec 19, 2015 2:25:33 PM

yes because trucks are all about FE and not about load, tow, performance while doing so, and work. Trucks are only for fuel economy. Did I get that right there Fat Girl From Oz?

They already get the best gas powered mpg's according to the Canadian truck results but deliver superior performance while getting the best mpg's. You aren't going to get any better mpg in the ram ecodiesel without going aluminum.... And light weight.

The race to govt mpg mandate isn't going to be achieved by diesel and heavy steel. Ford chose to do the hardest part first. The 2016 f150's are even lighter then the 2015's


Posted by: scott | Dec 19, 2015 2:32:52 PM

Weight really is not going to improve HWY MPG though. You can see an increase in city with lighter weight due to accelerating less mass. And it will give a bigger number for the combined rating. Wind drag is the biggest killer of HWY MPG.

yes because trucks are all about FE and not about load, tow, performance while doing so, and work. Trucks are only for fuel economy. Did I get that right there Fat Girl From Oz?
Posted by: LMAO | Dec 19, 2015 3:58:16 PM

The bottom line is BARFO knows nothing about trucks, hauling and towing. I don't know why he wastes so much time here. No life and no family I guess. See ya'll later. I have better things to do.

Ecoboost get the best gas mpg's accord to the csnadian challenge.



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