Ford: Stop-Start Standard on All 2017 EcoBoost F-150s

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Along with the addition of the new 10-speed transmission and high-output 3.5-liter V-6 EcoBoost engine in the all-new aluminum-bodied 2017 Ford Raptor, Ford has announced that all model-year 2017 F-150s with EcoBoost engines will have stop-start technology as a standard feature.

Currently, the stop-start feature is standard on model-year 2016 Ford F-150s equipped with the 2.7-liter V-6 EcoBoost engine, but for 2017 models all EcoBoost engines will offer the feature. Depending on usage, the technology is likely to improve overall fuel economy by 1 or 2 mpgs for as many as 60 percent of all F-150s sold, as well as reduce the amount of CO2 released into the atmosphere.

We first heard about the new, more powerful 3.5-liter twin-turbo V-6 when the 2017 Ford F-150 Raptor debuted at the 2015 North American International Auto Show in Detroit. During the 2016 Detroit auto show we got a look at the new higher-output EcoBoost and the 10-speed transmission near the Raptor display. Although ratings have not been released for the new engine (likely to be more than 420 horsepower and 460 pounds-feet of torque), the new 10-speed transmission was shown with the stop-start technology located in the oil pan.

Unlike the eight-speed transmission offered in the Ram 1500, the Ford 10-speed will include paddleshifters that give drivers easy access to each gear at a moment's notice. The new transmission is likely to offer the same Tow/Haul and Sport modes as the current model. The stop-start technology will deactivate when towing and when in 4x4 mode.

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Isn't it the same transmission that was designed with GM?

Can't stand vehicles with start / stop technology junk! I almost got rear ended in a ford suv that had this option.

Isn't it the same transmission that was designed with GM?


Posted by: Fred | Jan 22, 2016 1:40:44 PM

Yes this is the joint venture transmission between Ford and GM. More than 3 or 4 years in the making.

Still vaporware. 3 years and counting.


Can't stand vehicles with start / stop technology junk! I almost got rear ended in a ford suv that had this option.


Posted by: Len | Jan 22, 2016 1:58:07 PM

I'm curious, how did you know this if you never got hit by the person. So reason to talk to them on the side of the road if they never hit you. Was it an Expedition?

I will have to buy a Super Duty to get a good ol American V8 power!

Love this tech, similar to my wife's kia hybrid, its awesome technology Ram has done this as well I thought?

Usually people that never experienced it dont know.....like GMSRGREAT never owned anything other than GM so he bashes what he doesnt know.

Ford will require much more than start stop tech to make the EcoThirst better with FE.

At least Ford is realising how p!ss poor 15.6mpg is from a 2.7 litre engine.

The engine would be far better suited to the Ranger and leave the 3.5 in the F-150s.

What would be a novel idea for stop-start tech is to have traffic lights transmit a signal to start the engine as the lights are about to change to green.

It seems all of these current "technologies" to improve FE are not worth it in the long run.

How much additional cost is there in stop start technology? 10spd transmissions? aluminium pickups??? etc?

As Ram has proven the use of a diesel will rectify most FE requirements.

GM and Fords profits stay in USA

has anybody noticed that the price of regular unleaded today is half what it cost 8 years ago?

This sort of gizmo is an answer to a question that nobody is asking. For those of you who went to public schools the start/stop does nothing to save gas unless your driving is all stop-go city driving.

For the rest of us it's an annoyance.

papajim,
The price of fuel has very little to do with regulated FE requirements.

The best option would of been to tax fuel at a higher rate to modify buyer behaviour rather than using regulation to attempt to modify behaviour.

I'm not talking EU levels of taxation either. The additional money gained in tax could of been put back into transport infrastructure or reduce other levels of taxation.

Most everything in our economies is totally reliant on fuel and there is not better way or fairer tax than the taxation of energy.

Tax consumption.

Big Al -- in your opinion.

Not everybody agrees with the destructive choices the EU nations have elected to take.

Why tax fuel at all? Why not tax success? Or tax rock music; or tax shampoo?

Why is it always fuel with you people. I really don't think you've thought about this from a libertarian perspective before.

I love the look of that beautiful MGA black truck in the pic.

All these new tech features like Aluminum, 10 speed, and stop start, are being shoved down our throats with us footing the bill, thanks to the EPA mandates. The gain is little, and the cost is high, but they have no choice. Thank you EPA.
Have you seen where Fiat won't be able to afford the penalties coming, due to their inefficient trucks and SUVs selling at higher numbers? It's pushing them out of the EPA threshold and they must pay tons in fines until they can design more efficient engines.

I think the Start-Stop feature will help those who sit in traffic a lot, but overall I'd be surprised if it adds 1/2 mpg to most drivers. The articles I read earlier today all quoted Ford saying they don't have numbers on the increased MPGs, so is the "1-2" increased stated in this article just speculation?

Who cares about MPG when your TT Ecoboost smokes and kills everything out there, I can care less.

You guys can keep pounding MPG, IDGAF,

That Raptor is beautiful, best truck on the MKT Period.

Appears it will use hydraulic pressure to start the motor. I suppose this system could capture energy while braking though that would add some weight.

papajim,
Why did you align my comment to the EU?

Look at how Australia has managed FE, we don't.

We pay around the same for fuel as Canadians.

The unfortunate Canadians are probably as worse off as anyone living in the EU. They must contend with US CAFE vehicles along with higher fuel taxation. We don't have the CAFE effect on our vehicles.

If you want a V8 you can still have one.

But, for the thrifty people they can buy a Toyota Yaris for all I care.

As I stated in a supply and demand situation if you want to reduce usage the price must rise.

As for your comment regarding current fuel prices, that is up to the individual. But, again if you were paying another 50c a gallon you will still be able to afford V8s.

Also, the additional 50c tax on US fuel would affect usage enough to ensure cheap oil for quite some time in the future.

As usage drops, prices drop, so the 50c tax you would pay anyway in more expensive fuel.

My wife's new Mercedes C300 (awesome car!) has start/stop and its the one and only thing I truly hate about the car. The little amount of fuel you save will never pay for the starter that has to be replaced in a couple of years as a result of all the start cycles being put on it. Purely dumb...

10 speed, well, that may give better gear choices when towing heavy, don'the expect big mileage gains.But because Ram went with 2 more gears, Ford apparently thinks more is always better, but like GM learned, with the 5.3 8 speed, adding more gears won'the always help mileage.

In Rams case, the old 545 RFE trans had a poor starting ratio, so more hp and torque got beat by less power and proper gears. So they needed more low gear grunt, but didn'the want the loss of top end had they say jumped to, say, 4.56 gears.

They already had pretty decent mileage pre 8 speed for hemi's, but the catch was, with the highway gears that couldn't tow for crap! The 3.21s and 3.55s were not bad highway gears.

But there was more to it, making fluids warm up sooner, and the Aero effects of the shutters in front of the radiator.

I do guarantee one thing for sure, just watch it up the price of the trucks. Wow, we can already spend 62K on an F-150, soon, 65 will be the top, and 25K will be the least.

Can you see these 8 speeds, more so 10 speeds, and twin turbo engines, in the years they need a rebuilt, I have to think people will just think of the high price and say "screw it".

Stop start, well, nice they put it out there, but I see more starters and batterys getting replaced, and gaps in the traffic while the stop start does it'say thing.

10 speed, well, that may give better gear choices when towing heavy, don'the expect big mileage gains.But because Ram went with 2 more gears, Ford apparently thinks more is always better, but like GM learned, with the 5.3 8 speed, adding more gears won'the always help mileage.

In Rams case, the old 545 RFE trans had a poor starting ratio, so more hp and torque got beat by less power and proper gears. So they needed more low gear grunt, but didn'the want the loss of top end had they say jumped to, say, 4.56 gears.

They already had pretty decent mileage pre 8 speed for hemi's, but the catch was, with the highway gears that couldn't tow for crap! The 3.21s and 3.55s were not bad highway gears.

But there was more to it, making fluids warm up sooner, and the Aero effects of the shutters in front of the radiator.

I do guarantee one thing for sure, just watch it up the price of the trucks. Wow, we can already spend 62K on an F-150, soon, 65 will be the top, and 25K will be the least.

Can you see these 8 speeds, more so 10 speeds, and twin turbo engines, in the years they need a rebuilt, I have to think people will just think of the high price and say "screw it".

Stop start, well, nice they put it out there, but I see more starters and batterys getting replaced, and gaps in the traffic while the stop start does it'say thing.


Appears it will use hydraulic pressure to start the motor. I suppose this system could capture energy while braking though that would add some weight.

Posted by: CreigMac | Jan 22, 2016 3:17:11 PM

CreigMac,

The electric pump is used to keep "prime" in the transmission. The clutchs are applied via hydraulic pressure. When the engine is shut off the main pump is not spinning to create the hydraulic pressure needed to apply the clutchs. So the electric pump is used to keep the plates applied. The starter is still used to start the engine. The brake pedal is tightly monitored for travel (at least for Ford). When the pedal is moved in the release position, this triggers for the engine to start. So in theory under normal single foot driving the engine should be running by the time your foot travels back to the gas pedal. Since the pump in the transmission has the clutchs applied already there is no engagement feel in the transmission because it has always been engaged.

10 speed, well, that may give better gear choices when towing heavy, don'the expect big mileage gains.But because Ram went with 2 more gears, Ford apparently thinks more is always better, but like GM learned, with the 5.3 8 speed, adding more gears won'the always help mileage.

Posted by: TRX-4 Tom | Jan 22, 2016 3:47:28 PM

I am in the same boat as you. To me 6 speeds seems just right. However with the use of 8 and 10 speed transmissions this does allow for the use of higher rear end ratios to get the engine RPMs down at HWY cruise. We will have to see what the final 10th speed ratio is but there is not much difference in final drive ratios with the 6 and 8 speeds. Just a lower 1st gear ratio in the 8 speeds and you can keep the engine in a tighter RPM band with a 8 and 10 speed. I guess time will tell what kind of MPG improvements this will make but numbers wise I do not suspect it to be big but EPA wise with total number of sales it will likely add up big for manufactures.

I am a driver that does not like a transmission to shift that much. I would rather let the engine do the work. I have a feeling the 10 speed transmission would not make me to happy in that regard. But as long as Ford keeps their select shift programming the way it is, I and lock in 10th if I want.

@ Walter,

NO !

GM invested alot of money in China as GM China is GM's most profitable division..

Ford invests a lot of its money in Europe .. All new Ford cars and vans are European Ford's are not designed in America !

Ford made a deal with Obama not to get a bailout/bankruptcy but to get rid of V-8's in trucks and bring small European cars into America, Ford complied !!!

Ford got the most money from the Bailout.. Chrysler the least.. ..

Ford's Mustang transmission is made in China .. Buick has a suv made in China...So, your thought is wrong..

Funny when Ford fans attack GM, and vise versa ..but since some 2005 Ford cars/suv's shared a 6 speed automatic with GM cars and suv's !

Now Ford/GM share the truck transmission...and Ford fans will knock GM for having bad transmissions and vise versa.. lol ..

Renault Nissan will say RAM Cummins is no good,yet their Nissan has a Cummins lol..All Big Rigs share engines as well..

Toyota fans used to say Land Cruisers are and were the most reliable Toyota's around , all along they had a GM straight 6...Terrorists running around in Toyota Land Cruisers have a Chevy straight 6..

Toyota Forklift/Lift trucks also all use a GM engine .. Funny , they are loaded with HUGE Toyota nameplates all over the body, but its a GM..LOL..

Funny as well all Drag Top Fuel, Nitro, Alcohol cars/trucks/Boats use a Chrysler HEMI !! GM/Ford/Toyota bodies with a MOPAR HEMI.. Funny...

I laugh at people Furd is better No Gumby Motors is better..No Renault Nissan is better no Terrorist GM driveline Toyota's are better.....lol....at least I know what really is better..

@carguru - citations required i.e. post proof.
We all ready have our fill of conjecture from BARFo.

LMAO, TRX4Tom - I do wonder if there will be much gains from 10 speeds other than in town or heavy work. The problem with any of the current transmissions is that they are programmed to shift to the highest gear possible for MPG reasons. Under right conditions that sort of programming can cause a lot of gear hunting.
Perhaps they need to give us an economy mode along with tow/haul. High end cars and the Raptor allow for some push button" tuning so why not the rest of the truck line?

Funny when Ford fans attack GM, and vise versa ..but since some 2005 Ford cars/suv's shared a 6 speed automatic with GM cars and suv's !

Posted by: Car Guru | Jan 22, 2016 4:14:30 PM

Unless GM started earlier but I believe it was 2007. The Ford transmissions were the 6F50 in the Edge and Taurus. Later came the smaller 6F35 in the Fusion/Escape. Not sure what the GM names were but if you look at both they look almost identical.

@ Lou_BC

Google Ford's money they got from the bailouts...

I had all the proof saved but my computer crashed (years ago) Should be floating around the net somewhere..

This was in every credible news source back then.. Business section of news papers, magazines ,News Channel etc.. Not b.s ! I don't say b.s like some on here..

If I have the time I will find it again...busy for a few days but I will post it...

Toyota, BMW etc even got monies from the feds...and they complained Chrysler got money.. Chrysler paid it back other didn't have to, including Ford and Toyota !!!

Ford brought European factories here .. all Ford cars now are European.. Taurus is based off a Volvo etc(yes they owned them at the time but..were forced to sell Volvo/Jag/Land to get hundreds of millions in free money from the feds).. Ford Focus etc are Ford or Europe cars .. Vans are Ford of Europe vans..

Ford took hundreds of millions in money, most not a loan, just given money.. they didn't have to pay it back..

Remember GM had to get rid of Pontiac and Hummer in order to get a bailout as the left hates big suv's.. and V-8's thus Ford has a bunch of gas hog turbo 6's,that suck the same amount of gas as a V-8 lol..

Proof is on the net if you want to look, and don't just find the 1st article, do research find several and wait until those several actually say the same thing.. and by credible news sources.. As I did.. Business news channel even had a story on that back then..it was buried though .. They would rather be on GM/Chrysler's back because they did the big "B" (bankruptcy)

The Germans and Japanese give automakers free taxpayer monies when they need it..to keep their Country on top..thats taboo in Canada/America...

@LMAO,

Just off the top of my head with no research, just by old memory...and I haven't thought about it for years, or even a decade probably...I had 2005 stuck in my memory...and thought they started in 2001 or shortly after, working together on the transmission.. I was off 1 year lol..

****After research....They started using them in 2006 for 2007 models.. and started the project in 2002..GM used it still in 2013..

Wonder how the new joint venture will go..

Fords have had stop-start technology for years - they seem to be very good at stopping but to this day they seem to still have issues with the starting thing....

@Big Al--Actually a fuel tax is a user tax in that anyone who drives on public roads pays for the cost of the road. That is far from a socialist policy and more libertarian. What is more fair for those who use the roads to pay for them with an excise tax on fuel and tires.

Car Guru - it all depends on one's interpretation. Ford got R&D loans for the development of hybrids. So did other companies like Toyota. Many view that as bailout money but it isn't. Government uses a big stick i.e. CAFE or carrots i.e. loans and incentives i.e. loan for hybrids to get what they want. It just happened to occur at the time of the bailout of GM and Chrysler.

If you have non-partisan proof then please post it.

Love this tech, similar to my wife's kia hybrid, its awesome technology Ram has done this as well I thought?

Usually people that never experienced it dont know.....like GMSRGREAT never owned anything other than GM so he bashes what he doesnt know.

Posted by: nitro | Jan 22, 2016 2:12:42 PM

This is for you nitro. Educate yourself.

http://www.hybridcars.com/gm-hybrid-pickup-trucks/


Wanna get serious about saving fuel start seling these

https://youtu.be/6VP7hUiLkSM

The Ford fan girls only listen to what Ford marketing tells them. They all attend FSGM's ,Ford Support Group Meetings. Some brave Ford fools like LAMO, Nitro and Scoot ( where ever he is these days) try and spread the Ford propaganda in the comments section on sites like PUTC . But they always reveal that they are blind FORD fools.
The beauty of the Internet is now you can guys too can research before you comment. If you did, you wouldn't look so foolish.

I don't know about gas turbocharged engines, but you never want to shut a turbo diesel down until the egt's are at a "safe" level. This just seems to be inviting trouble to me unless the water pump and cooling fans continue to run when the engine shuts down.

Many times I will check this site out when I am sitting on the toilet making a statue of Johnny Welfare!

And the winner of 2016 Wards 10 Best Engines is ......

FCA 3.0L Turbodiesel DOHC V-6

Third time in the row without $5.9 Billion loan from the Department of Energy to develop more fuel efficient vehicles beating Cummins 5.0L and 2.8 Duramax.

http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php/2016/01/ram-diesel-three-peat-on-wards-best-engines-list-31080

@Tundra Bob
I agree that 5L Cummins is not what I expected. RAM did the right decision to drop this engine. Nissan is sloppy second this time. I hope their new gasoline will be impressive.


I will never buy a vehicle with stop/start. I have heard there is a way to disable this feature. If it can't be I will keep my 13 ecoboost for a long, long time.

I just sold my 13' f150 3.5 TT and bought the 16' Silverado 5.3 8 speed. totally different trucks! one is better at work the other better at driving. Fords fold away bed extender and tailgate step are missed! I am looking for a bed extender like fords that will fit this silvy. the bumper with the foot wells works better than I expected though. with the ford you can walk right into the bed while carrying heavy items though. Big difference in usability. The GM blows the ford out of the water in fuel economy. I love the 8 speed. it makes the 5.3 gnarly and it revs really quick! pick any truck you want they all are great. The gm to me is a cut above the rest in winter driving and fuel economy and comfort

Button on dash to disable it. Just push it. Start stop will work well in there hybrid system they are coming out with. EPA regs won't stand still and aren't going to get repealed. So you need to play the game on the enviroment rules. Start stop is one of the systems in vehicles where you get EPA credits for using it. If you play the game correctly you don't have to go out and spends hundreds of millions of dollars buy EPA credits like FCA recently did. I think the 2.7 f150 is the only pickup that is 2025 or 2024 EPA compliant. For every one of those they sell ford gets credits on there EPA emissions. Gm gets credits for its small cars and electric.... That is why they can sell there v8 pickups. FCA buys credits for hundreds of millions of dollars from tesla and Nissan so they can sell there hemi.

If you don't like start stop that is fine..... Just turn it off, I find it annoying as well until we have a hybrid, but if you want to continue to buy v8's you better demand start stop so you can still get a v8 down the road.

Start stop is necessity to please EPA. My wife like it at her 2015 Cherokee, I hate it. You can disable it at the touch screen menu permanently, or with the button at the dash board for each situation.
FCA introduced hybrid minivan recently , so they don't have to buy credits for their high performance engines and other hybrids are coming. They have start stop with belt, which will last much , much more than this starter and I expect new RAM 1500 to be hybrid.

The 5.3 gm motor is narly? Are u kidding. It's a pouch. My ecoboost blew my buddies 5.3 away. Especially when u have a trailer behind it

Dirty Maxx,
This is normal on PUTC.

You have LAMO/DenverMike/Cummins (and on and on) making Frods look stupid. All this supported by BC Mike, who acts as an amplifier highlighting these fools.

You have the FCA Ram guys who make Rams look stupid, so why not have a GM fan?

DirtyMaxx,
It is not as hard an issue to resolve as one would think.

All you require is some commitment by Mark Williams to actively partake in these discussions and delete straight up the submissions by these troulling fools.

But, the problem is would Mark be fair and not biased towards a particular brand?

So, I would like to see Tim Esterhal moderate this site.

@RAM - btw how does your wife like that great transmission in the 2015 Cherokee....lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HePR5Z5AKes

Good job Fiat!

Posted by: Rolling Can of Beer | Jan 23, 2016 12:13:11 PM

Good job indeed.

FCA replaiced her transmission 5 month ago after more than one year for free. Pretty good deal. Thank you for asking. FCA is not the only one to need to iron problems with this new 9 speed ZF , but all the other customers using this 9 speed as well.

It's so complex , sofisticated transmission with so many mapping programs, it needs time to get the software right. It didn't cost me a penny .

Glad your outdated 6 speed still kicking around. Enjoy and dream of 10 speed.

@Tundra Bob, I agree with much of your last post. I drive older trucks that I can fix myself. Economics has a lot to do with that, but I have a brother that is a GM tech (25+ years) and he despises the new (read unnecessary) technology being put in trucks. He drives a 1985 C2500 w/8,600 GVW. Why? Because it lists 89 octane leaded gas as the recommended fuel on the radiator support. No emissions, no electronics apart from the HEI. My nephew works on Fords and my buddy is a Ram nut. So I get the lowdown on the big 3, but I prefer a vehicle that I don't have to pay $80-100/hr to have fixed.



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