HD Pickups Most Likely to Hit 200,000 Miles

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People choose large pickup trucks or SUVs for specific reasons such as hauling, towing or moving lots of people and gear. But there may be another reason to invest in these vehicles, which could save you a good chunk of money in the long run.

PopularMechanics.com is reporting that a new survey by automotive research firm iSeeCars.com shows that nine of the top 12 vehicles (it's actually a top 10 list but No. 5 and No. 9 are ties) most likely to make it to 200,000 miles are full-size pickups or SUVs. Two midsize players make the list as well; holding down the No. 3 and No. 10 spots are the Toyota 4Runner and Tacoma, respectively.

The survey analyzed 12 million vehicles sold between 1981 and 2015 to find the vehicles with the highest percentage still in use after 200,000 miles of recorded service. Unfortunately, there's no information about how these owners took care of their vehicles, but the results are still pretty interesting.

Four of the top 12 are pickups, with three three-quarter-ton pickups: the Ford F-250 (first place), the Chevrolet Silverado 2500 (second place) and the GMC Sierra 2500 (sixth place). The Tacoma took the final spot. Only one car, the Toyota Avalon, makes the list; the rest of the vehicles are full-size SUVs.

Here are the vehicles and what percent of them are still on the road after 200,000 miles.

  1. Ford Super Duty F-250, 6.0 percent
  2. Chevrolet Silverado 2500, 5.7 percent
  3. Toyota 4Runner, 5.2 percent
  4. Ford Expedition, 5.0 percent
  5. Chevrolet Suburban and Toyota Sequoia, 4.8 percent
  6. GMC Sierra 2500, 4.6 percent
  7. Chevrolet Tahoe, 3.4 percent
  8. GMC Yukon XL, 3.2 percent
  9. GMC Yukon and Toyota Avalon, 2.7 percent
  10. Toyota Tacoma, 2.5 percent

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My boss's F250 is still running only at 140k and has a trans, injectors 2x and a set of heads... But hey its still running right?

@GM, we can all say that, at my work we have 7, 2500 GM's, 3 are over 100K the highest at 134K, that one had 3 injectors replaced, the other 2 had tranny issues, yes allison supposedly bullet proof, I think not.

This list is about as useless as the fastest selling trucks list, which doesn't coincide with total sales....

The statistic is complete nonsense, made worse by the lack of reading comprehension put into the article here. The percentages are a breakdown of all vehicles (in the survey pool) above 200k.
This says little to nothing about a vehicle's durability. It just means which high-volume vehicles aren't COMPLETE mechanical garbage.
HD pick-ups are high value vehicle, even once they're a decade old, so they receive powertrain overhauls/replacements that would send cheaper vehicles to the recycler. Any study that lumps together several generations of vehicles is also less than informative. I would say the stand-out on this list is the Avalon- it has a comparatively low sales volume, but still ranks. That would mean nearly all of them are still on the road.

With routine maintenance, all manufactures should go 200K.

The 6.0 PSDs aren't having a problem reaching 200,000 mi. They're solid engines, especially with basic maintenance The 6.4 PSDs may give Chevy the edge around 2020, since those PSDs are throw-away diesels.

But it comes down to abuse and neglect the kills head gaskets on PSDs, Duramax, Cummin. That's the only time the cabs need to come off, on Duramax GM trucks too. Cabs need to come off for head gaskets, only. Both can get new head gaskets without lifting the cabs, but you'll beat up your knuckles, curse like a pirate and throw tools around the shop.

@DMike, Not true. My brother has probably worked on more Duramax trucks than anyone in central PA (he is the diesel tech at a GM dealership). He removes the entire front clip in one piece, leaving the cab in place.

200k is nothing for a Cummins. I have only heard of a couple of engines that didn't last that long. One was because of neglect, ran without oil and seized, the other was abused, chipped and used as a toy, damaging the crankshaft. I am betting it was used for sled pulls. But I have heard from reliable sources theft should last a million plus miles if you look after them.

Love the "Ford got money under the table" delusion.

Sorry guys Ford is 1-0... GM is 0-1, and Chryslser/DiamlerChrylser/Cerebis/Fiat is like 0-3 or 4 or how do you read that? There was only 1 bankruptcy (puts them even with GM if you wanna look at it that way) its true but lots of desperate foreign bed hopping at an ever decreasing value (something GM hasn't done).

Its ok, even teams that never win have fans... don't be jealous of the teams that win.

What's GM winning at? They seem to be the most complacent of all the truck manufacturers. Seems like Chevy fans say they hate Fiat, but they don't mind the old 2.8L 4 cylinder diesel from VM Motori that Jeep used a decade ago. I suppose calling it a Duramax makes you think it's a new GM motor?

@Beebe, Cummins, Clint, Mr Knowitall - good points.

This study just looks at vehicles THEY have in their data base.

Once again PUTC demonstrates the fact that with their news they are just the "Publishers Clearing House" of blogs.

Do some real journalism..........

RESEARCH what you are posting.

Funny to see all of the babies out their.

HemiV8 - that data is based on registration but it does not show durability or what the truck was used for. Chevrolet used the EXACT same advertising in the USA.

I can guarantee you that ANY truck (Ford or GM or Ram) would not survive 200,000 miles/ 320,000 km in my brother's hands without major overhauls.

Most trucks seeing that kind of mileage are in warm climates on paved roads.

You run any of them consistently on gravel roads and under heavy loads in poor climates and they will fall apart to the point they are too expensive to repair.

Gm, constantly proving to be the best!

There are more Ram Cummins Diesel powered trucks on the road with more than a million miles & still going strong than any Ford or Chebby! That's a fact Jack!

This survey is a joke! the Chevrolet Silverado 2500 and GMC Sierra 2500 and Identical, yet they came up with completely different results!

hdmax- unfortunately the parade of idiots drown out valid blog posts.

As pointed out by a few bloggers in the case of this study, if you sell more trucks you will have a better score. Chevy outsells GM in the USA by a large margin.

Len - if that is a fact then post the data proving it!

Alex, the Cummins is an excellent diesel. Too bad it has the worst truck made today wrapped around it. Put that Cummins in a decent truck like a Ford or GM and you might have something worth buying.

@Mark49 - You can remove the fenders too, but when you have a lift, it's easier to lift the cab with the fenders/clip together. Both the Duramax and Power Stroke trucks are designed for easy cab removal. Done in less than an hour and no paint nicks. And no fenders to try to align again with the hood and doors,

@DenverIIIMike - I've seen it done. Makes working on the engine a lot easier.

It's fine if you don't have a lift, but the pros have done it every which way and all agree, pulling the cab is the most efficient. Remember it's not the fender/clip that interferes with head access, as much as the cowl. I don't know about GM, but with F-series, you have to partly pull out the dash to unbolt the clip sub-frame.

But head gaskets don't just blow for no good reason. Follow the neglect and abuse 'trail', and all the warning signs that went ignored. I've blown exactly zero head gaskets in more than a million miles driven. At the 1st signs of trouble, you shut it down. With modern diesels, that's an imperative.

Did anyone bother reading the article BEFORE commenting? What part of "...the highest PERCENTAGE..." don't you understand???

The Frontier can be at the #1 spot, theoretically, percentage-wise.

The other problem is the trucks that leave the US, exported and stolen, aren't counted nor not taken into account. Crazy... And that's most likely to happen BEFORE the *magic* 200,000 miles. Most of those "missing in action", dropped off the 'map', trucks are alive and well, and well past 200,000 miles, wherever they are.

Obviously not all pickups are exported and stolen equally, with F-series leading the pack, exponentially more than any other trucks.

Meaning F-series pickups should've taken this by a landslide, with F-150s being the most exported.

Remember that Texas plumber's truck, with his company's name all over it, that ended up in ISIS Facebook propaganda? Counted or not?

For a few years, Chevy trucks held the title of the "Longest Lasting Trucks", and GM exploited the crap out of it, in ad campaigns. This while Chevy trucks are the least likely to be exported or stolen. Meaning no other market, outside of the US, wants them. Not even terror!st cells.

@Denver
That's really funny fabrication.

Here are the facts not "MOST LIKELY" LOL
http://www.allpar.com/news/2013/03/ram-canadas-longest-lasting-pickups-21870

Last I checked it's pretty cold in Canada during the winter.

Posted by: HEMI V8 | Feb 28, 2016 1:14:10 PM

This does not identify the ram as the longest lasting truck but rather reflects the percentage of growth ram trucks have experienced in recent years compared to what they sold 25 years ago. I think we can all agree that ram has certainly increased their presence over the last decade and in essence has a newer fleet of trucks on the road compared to gm and ford. Remember this is all based of percentages and Ram did not sell many trucks 25 years ago.

79% of Ram pickups sold in the last 25 years are still registered, compared with 66% of Ford pickups and 72% of General Motors pickups.

The numbers are even better when looking at the Cummins diesel equipped pickups of the last 20 years; 87% of Ram diesels sold since 1993 are still registered as being in operation (model years 1994-2012), compared with just 69% of Fords, 79% of Chevrolets, and 83% of GMCs.

Cummins currently has a five-year, 160,000 mile powertrain warranty in Canada.

RAM is a keeper. No wonder, they don't sell as many as GM or Ford. Ford recycle them fastest, that's why aluminium cabin nowadays.

Ford’s F-Series trucks rose 9.9 percent for its best February in a decade.

RAM PICKUP +14%

Ram, you need to learn the math. Percentages means nothing unless the starting point is the same number. When you have Ford outselling Ram by a huge factor, 14% means nothing compared to the 9.9% of Ford. I do enjoy you Ramgirls on all the Ford articles. Must be lonely down in ramland where no one visits.

Funny,

My buddy was looking for a used RAM for around $12,000 with lower miles, and they all have 200,000 or over or just under..Gas and Diesels..

He gave up and bought a new Tradesman 2500 6.4 HEMI,single cab 4x4...actually hard combo to find...

He hit hard times, and he is doing better as he saved money..I co-signed for him.. Hell, I could have bought it for him, but he didn't want any money from me .. He did save cash so he put a lot down..

He wanted a RAM, but then looked at Ford, GM trucks and they have high mileage and new axles, transmissions and are beat to death.. He didn't want any help from me, but I urged him to get a new one because the older ones with 200,000 miles every other weekend you will be fixing something..

His wife had a 2004 Toyota Camry they bought new, got every service done to it, babied it the car looks new with 140,000 miles and every other weekend we were working on it.. the car had every part replaced, sure the odometer may read 200,000 but new engine, new trans , new axles etc.. oh we put a new computer in it .. almost forgot.. His Wife inherited a 2 year old Chevy Malibu lucky them, well not really but you know her Aunt was 92 and still driving lol ..car has 1,200 miles and surprisingly no dents or scratches and the car is black !

People...

Its not like your going to get 200,000 miles with no work done to it...

You cant floor it, do brake stands and jump curbs and expect 200,000 plus miles..

Baby it and do every maint it needs change oil every 3,000 miles regardless of the manual...and still if you get a lemon, it doesn't matter.. many people abuse their ride, dont do oil changes on time etc and its reliable and they get 100,000 miles out of it.. Some may baby it, do everything on time and its always breaking down...

I owned them all and they all have faults...

@Zvieram - JD Power just released 2015 dependability results. Ram HD is last place in durability.

But on a positive note, Ram 1500 moved into 3rd place behind the GM/Chevy siblings.

And for those who say those 2 are identical.... The Sierra had slightly better durability ratings than the Chevy.

BTW - 2015 data is based on data collected over the past 3 years i.e. 2012 trucks.

This will make you happy - the F150 dropped to 5th.


79% as a ratio still means less trucks on the road than Ford or Chevy.

The company my brother works for hasn't touched a Ram in 15 years. I noticed the Forest Service just got a new fleet of Chevy's.

Guys brag about the Cummins but as others have pointed out, it is too bad it is in a Ram.

79% as a ratio still means less trucks on the road than Ford or Chevy.
Posted by: Lou_BC | Mar 1, 2016 12:52:33 PM

Yes, less trucks on the road, but here is my question LOUBC.

Which truck would you rather have. The one wich lasts more and customers keeps for more, or one which sells like hot cakes , doesn’t last as much and it's decommissioned sooner ?


Which truck would you rather have. The one wich lasts more and customers keeps for more, or one which sells like hot cakes , doesn’t last as much and it's decommissioned sooner ?

Posted by: RAM | Mar 1, 2016 1:33:10 PM

Only one issue with your reasoning. There are more but we will stick with this one. It appears that Ford and GM owners drive their vehicles a lot more than the Ram owners. This last study represents that. So it can be said that Ram owners do not use their trucks as much as other owners. They are the small percentage that uses their trucks for getting groceries and going to church. I prefer to buy the brand (s) that the masses buy that depends on for work. CR also backs this up with reliability reports and not what the propaganda site allpar that you ram guys use all the time to try and prove you are right.

@Tom
Any source ?

ZvierRAM - "Which truck would you rather have."

which class of truck?

My current choices:

Small truck - Tacoma

1/2 ton - F150 (maybe Chevy)

HD - Chevy

Consumer Reports did NOT recommend Ram or Chevy 1500.
Any new truck has newbie gremlins.

JD Power put the 2012 GMT900's 1/2 tons in 1st and 2nd followed by Ram.

JD Power put 2012 HD's at Chevy/Sierra 1st with Ford 2nd and Ram last.

Tacoma is perennially 1st. New Colorado/Canyon were not recommended by CR.


@LOU BC
It's 2016 buddy.

http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/2016-us-vehicle-dependability-study-vds

Any RAM is better than Ford, which has most trucks on the road, like you say.

RAM is pretty close to Toyota. Eh?


The 2016 U.S. Vehicle Dependability Study is based on responses from 33,560 original owners of 2013 model-year vehicles after three years of ownership. The study was fielded from October through December 2015.

The study, now in its 27th year, examines problems experienced during the past 12 months by original owners of 2013 model-year vehicles. Overall dependability is determined by the number of problems experienced per 100 vehicles (PP100), with a lower score reflecting higher quality. The study covers 177 specific problem symptoms grouped into eight major vehicle categories.

- See more at: http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/2016-us-vehicle-dependability-study-vds#sthash.V7hMsUOX.dpuf

Really ram??? The study was very low in total vehicles surveyed. I would rather stick with other reports that sample more than that in one vehicle line. A huge issue with your argument is ram is trucks only. Ford has a full vehicle line and the Fiesta and Focus transmission is just killing the total reliability of the brand name. The study was also based on 2013 vehicles where sync had issues also. That has now been resolved.

@Ram, and all others that don't have a grasp on basic Life Math.

OK, it'll explain it, typing slower this time..

Out of every 100 sold new, let's say Silverados pickups, out there and still registered/functioning, (again regardless of how many were sold new), 5.7 Silverados have reached 200,000 miles or more. That's 5.7 *Percent* (5.7%) of those sold new. Cent meaning Latin for "100".

Or simply put, "per each and every 100". Meaning 5.7 Silverados out of every 100 Silverados sold new, reached 200,000 miles before going to that big junkyard in the sky.

Another way to look at is, for every million Silverados sold new, around 57,000 Silverados are reaching 200,000 miles *before* hitting the junkyard.

Again, even the Honda Ridgeline is in the contest, so to speak, vs F-series, GM, etc, but likely only 1 or 2% reach 200,000 miles before they're scraped. It could be bad transmissions in them, especially if they just run transmissions straight out of Accords.

It also doesn't matter if the engines have been rebuilt a couple times in 200,000 miles. But there aren't enough million-mile Cummins trucks to bring up the average for Ram, even if they have more million-mile trucks on the road, than all other brands combined.

But the study is majorly flawed, since all the trucks that are exported or stolen, then stolen exports, of course *before* having a chance to reach that magic 200,000 miles, are assumed to have died, scrapped/recycled and on a boat for China.

In other words, the Silverado should be nowhere as close to the F-series,
in the percentage of 200,000 mile pickups "still on the road", since Silverados have very weak demand in other parts of the world, Mexico especially,

@ Denver
You are crazy person fabricating nonsense.

@RAM - It's a mathematical equation. "CrazY" to you I guess.

Here's as simple as I can break it down:

For every 100 (hundred) Chevy Silverados built and sold "new", 5.7 (five point seven) make it to the 200,000 mile 'mark' before they expire, or otherwise taken off the road.

You could say, "Cradle to Grave", or factory to junkyard.

But if 'decimal points' scare you, you can move them over one digit. Say 57 Silverado survive to 200,000 miles for every 1,000 new Silverados sold. Or 570 Silverados make it to 200,000 miles for every 10,000 new Silverados sold.

Say 350,000 Honda Ridgelines were sold in their entire run. How many would it take to 'tie' with the Silverado, as far as the mileage longevity goes? If you said 61,403 Ridgelines, you'd be correct. For some reason that's not happening, or anywhere close to 200,000 miles, but it was possible in theory.

Too, we're not finding Ridgelines exported all over the world, as they're sort of stuck here. This is another reason they not good for 200,000 miles, or anywhere close.

The "study" in the article is overly simplistic, overlooking key factors that take trucks "off the books" or "off the road" in the US, BEFORE they have an equal chance at reaching 200,000 miles.

But don't let math scare you.


I love my 2006 F 350 4x4 Dually. It currently has 247k miles and runs great. It has its original Tranny and motor with not work done to it. Every morning I let her warm up before driving off and let her cool down before turning the motor off. Religiously.

They should also include vehicle age. A 3/4 truck with a 200k mi on it may be 5 years old. Since redneck uneducated farmers and horse haulers buy the f250 2 to 1 over Chevy and 3-1 over lam the ratio will actually be 3% of f250's are on the road after 200k. For the ford girls who have to take their shoes off to count to 8 let me help you. If Goober buys 100 carrots and Andy buys 50 carrots what are the odds all Andy carrots will be eaten before Goobers. Pretty good,

I have had a few Toyotas and never experienced the trouble free driving everyone exclaims. Maybe because I do my own maintenance so I know about the leaking power steering, torn boots, worn bushings, bearings, water pumps and other normal wearing items. Their benefit seems to be the perceived reliability and better resale.
We've had a Camry, 4-runner and Tacoma all while I had 1 Dodge truck. I still have the Dodge and we just moved away from Toyota. Total cost of ownership wasn't that spectacular an the loss in resale for the competition was outweighed by better features and a larger engine.

Why is a Tacoma on this list? It's not an HD.

I will always take a 5.9L Cummins over a 6.0L Powerstroke.And I will always take a 6.7L Cummins over a 6.4L,and 6.7L Powerstroke.

I guess those million mile Cummins powered Rams don't count.

I sold my 06 Silverado last week with 362,505 miles on it. It had the 8.1 engine in it. Nothing compared to the 05 GMC I sold a few years ago with 684,000 miles on the 8.1 in it.

My buddy has a completely original 1987 Toyota pickup with 530,000 miles. He changed the oil at exactly 5k every time. Has original engine, radiator (although it leaks now), rearend, manual transmission and paint. The carb was rebuilt once. Trans fluid has never been changed. Every body panel is dented though and he's missing a grill.

6% still on the road? that's hardly evidence these are reliable trucks. what kind of crazy research is this?

Why do they reach 200,000
was it because of reliability or use

The F 350's are used to tow, The other trucks are probably mostly service vehicles by police and other GVT contaractors. It is not hard at all to get 200,000 miles on these vehicles.
So before you make any assumptions about the study, see what it is not telling you, then you will know the truth.

As for the privately owned vehicles, they are personal use and when they hit that milage, it means allot more.

Go Toyota
No Jeep, the go anywhere vehicles that break down in the middle of nowhere. - It is a Jeep thing



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