Ford to Invest $1.6 Billion in 10-Speed Transmission Production

Ford Trans Livonia 1 II

Ford announced plans to make a $1.6 billion investment in its Livonia Transmission Plant outside Detroit where the current six-speed transmission for the F-150 pickup truck and full-size SUVs are made. The investment will create or retain 500 jobs at the facility.

The plant will be redesigned and upgraded to build Ford's all-new 10-speed automatic transmission slated to go into the F-150 Raptor first, then migrate to many other F-150 models and Ford SUVs.

The 10-speed is a joint venture between Ford and GM, who are also partnering to build a nine-speed transmission (Ford lead development on the 10-speed, GM on the 9-speed). Ford's first application of the new 10-speed will be in the 2017 Ford F-150 Raptor, which PickupTrucks.com Editor Mark Williams took a ride in during the March Mint 400 Best in the Desert off-road race. From there, the 10-speed eventually will make its way into other F-150 models for late-entry 2017 models.

GM will first use the new transmission in the 2017 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1, a high-performance version of the stout muscle car. GM says that the new transmission will be found in eight of its models by 2018 but has not specified which ones, so no word yet on if the Chevrolet Silverado 1500 and GMC Sierra 1500 will get it.

Additionally, Ford also announced it plans to invest an additional $200 million at its newly refurbished Ohio Assembly Plant to build 2017 Super Duty chassis-cab trucks (the F-350, F-450 and F-550). This will create or retain another 150 jobs at the plant.

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Ford Trans Livonia 3 II

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ZF builds the transmission and Cummins builds the Cummins. Thus, no recalls.

This has nothing to do with FCA.


Are you done buying american, or just say goodbye to america and go live in Australia.

You're annoying.

Man, this is great. I constantly pull over 24MPG with my 2.7 EcoBoost and this 10 speed will hand me over 30MPG. Betterthan a diesel Colorado.

Go Ford!

FCA buys 8 speed from ZF , FCA has also build own factory and builds 8 speed, 5 speed and 6 speed trany. None of them has been ever recalled.
This can't be said about ford 6 speed trany in F150. Customers can feel veey confident about 8 speed FCA is using .
10 speed made by GMFROD still needs to be ironed and prove , that reliable and without recalls. I wouldn't want to be the guinea pig for GMFROD.
ZF engineers say, there is not real advantage of 10 speed over 8 speed.
I rather get reliable 8 speed without any issues or recall, than new real life untested 10 speed.
Feel free to buy, what ever you want to.


The 10 speed will be my next tranny.

@papaim
First guinea pig signed up.
Next....

Fords fleet sales never hurt ford. There earnings are huge when compared to fca and gm. Global market share up huge as well. Fleet customers must being willing to pay more for fords then paying less for gm and fca products.

@Scott
There is a very strong brand loyalty.Customers are hooked to one brand by fleet leasing and it's hard for them to switch, but it's happening. I don't mind to be ford #1 in sales. I am actually happy about that. I will never buy a ford.
I have a few better options.

RAM-SPAM, Go back to Montreal and stop spamming every topic.

"There are differences in design between ZF and 8 speed FCA produces. It not exactly same trany. "

@Ram - citations required!

@Lou bc
Google it. I have more important things to do.

@ram

Ford fleet sales are up, gm and ram are down. Fords profits up the most from the start the year. Fleet customers are switching to ford in droves this year otherwise gm and ram fleet sales would be flat as those brands would maintain there business customers. Im in trades and the crew im on had 7 rams by the start of the year. Mid year we got 2 fords superdutys got 2 more coming in next month and 3 aluminum superduties we hope to have by november and it will complete our transition away for ram on our crew.

There is a very strong brand loyalty.Customers are hooked to one brand by fleet leasing and it's hard for them to switch, but it's happening. I don't mind to be ford #1 in sales. I am actually happy about that. I will never buy a ford.
I have a few better options.


Posted by: RAM | Apr 28, 2016 3:10:32 PM

Are you a complete idiot. Fleet leasing? Really? Maybe just a few companies can do that in North America but by far most of them have to buy their vehicles. Even rental car companies buy their vehicles. They seem to keep then the least amount of time and that is around 3 years then sell them at auction. Most companies have keep them for the life cycle of the vehicle because they use capital monies to buy them. Capital money is hard to get when you are looking at massive purchases. We have over 250 vehicles in our fleet and they need to be around for 10 years or 300K with minimal down time and major repairs. We buy American so Ford and GM are really our only choices. Dodge, Jeep, RAM products just do not hold up. We have more data on that than you can imagine within our system. One of the departments here was going to bid out some Jeeps. After the cost analysis that was shown to them the bid was changed to GM and Ford vehicles instead. A very good friend of mine runs a govt department. He has to buy Jeeps because they are the cheapest to buy over Ford. He even knows jeeps are garbage compared to his current Fords. In fact his Ford vehicles literally have twice the life span of his current Jeeps. About 100k and the jeeps are to worn out and they go to auction. His Ford vehicles have over 200K and he is not ready to get rid of them yet. Original engines and transmissions. Can't say that about his jeeps. But he has to follow the budget rules and go with the cheapest, even though it cost more in the long run.

@Lou bc
Google it. I have more important things to do.


Posted by: RAM | Apr 28, 2016 3:39:07 PM

Yea, like spew your BS all over the internet.

For the sake of humanity, stop so we can all give it faith again.

RAM-SPAM, Go back to Montreal and stop spamming every topic.

Posted by: Lou | Apr 28, 2016 3:20:48 PM

Hmmmmm, Montreal huh? I will be up there for business towards the end of this summer. Maybe we can have lunch and you can show me how great your Fiat 1500 is.

@Scott
I don't care about fleet sales. I don't care about ford profit. Ford customers pay for that. Not me.

Ford has a brisk start with recalls this year as well. Here is a list just since January.


- 361,692 Ford Ranger utility vehicles from the 2004 to 2006 model years for potentially dangerous Takata air bag inflators;

- 184,000 Ford F-150 trucks (2011-2012) and 2012 Ford Expeditions, Mustangs and Lincoln Navigators for transmission-control flaw;

- 75,364 Ford Explorer SUVs (2014-2015) for improperly welded rear-suspension toe links;

- 48,990 Ford Transit vans (2015-2016) for potentially flawed rear seat belt latches;

- 37,066 Ford Transit vans (2015-2016) for side-curtain air bags that might not deploy properly;

- 4,654 Ford 650 SD and 750 SD heavy trucks (2015-2016) for faulty parking breaks;

- 2,894 Ford F-150 pickup trucks (2016) for a front seat sensor flaw that might cause improper air bag deployment;

- 2,288 F-Series Super Duty Trucks (2016) could have damaged tire sidewalls;

- 1,543 Ford Explorers (2016) and Lincoln MKCs (2015 and 2016) have potentially faulty engine block heaters that could pose a fire risk;

- 199 Ford Flex, Ford Taurus, Lincoln MKS and Mercury Sable vehicles (2007 to 2012) have air bags that might not deploy with adequate force to be effective in injury prevention;

- 75 Ford E-350 and E-450 vans (2016) for a trailer braking system that could fail;

- 29 Ford Fusion sedans (2016) for improperly welded driver’s-seat mounting brackets.

What good is 5 stars safety rating for ? Everything else will kill you, before you get to any accident anyway.


It's only April, so Ford will brake a record this year and past GM. Congrats.

It's only April, so Ford will brake a record this year and past GM. Congrats.


Posted by: RAM | Apr 28, 2016 3:57:30 PM


You're a TOOL. Ahahahahahah

Ram.
I think u were the one that mentioned it in another thread about staying on pickup topics but you strayed.... So

What about the 1.1 million vehicles fca recalled for shifter issues??? I think that more then the total # of recalls from ford....

@Frank
Could you be more specific please?

Tooling and robotics are different from those used by ZF. Some changes to the transmission were made, so they could use Chrysler equipment and methods.

Differences between FCA 845RE and ZF 8HP45 include extra friction plates and for some vehicles a higher capacity oil pan. Many internal parts do not interchange.

Chrysler owns the intellectual property of any changes they make to the transmission. Chrysler can patent any of their changes they make.

Just 2016 ram 1500 recalls so far.

Ram why drag up 2004 ranger recalls. Lets stick to new models like the recalled plagged 2016 ram 1500

http://www.cars.com/recalls/ram/1500/2016/

What about the 1.1 million vehicles fca recalled for shifter issues??? I think that more then the total # of recalls from ford....


Posted by: Scott | Apr 28, 2016 4:07:24 PM


And what about the fact that the NTHSA is balls deep into FCA right now for not properly reporting defects, deaths, and injuries due to their junk. Sure no recalls look great on paper until late they catch up with you in the form ofor record fines and civil suits.

Chrysler owns the intellectual property of any changes they make to the transmission. Chrysler can patent any of their changes they make.

Posted by: RAM | Apr 28, 2016 4:09:48 PM

HAHAHAHAHA, intellectual property. Now that is funny. Must be an oxymoron. They better stick with the ZF design. We all know FCA cannot design crap.

@Scott
I was referring to 2016 recalls.
Ranger and all the other I posted has been recalled in 2016.
Shifter issue is voluntary recall.

@LMAO
NHTSA still investigate F150 Master Brake Cylinder failure, so ford will brake the record for sure this year.

@LMAO
NHTSA still investigate F150 Master Brake Cylinder failure, so ford will brake the record for sure this year.


Posted by: RAM | Apr 28, 2016 4:25:37 PM

Yes but Ford is actively working with them and Ford will do the correct the issue if there is one. FCA just hides their problems till they get caught.

Oh... I was going off 2016 model year vehicles recalled.... Prolly more of a correct measure of quality on a 2016 model year vs a recall on a 2004 ranger. Arent most of those ford recalls voluntary as well except maybe the airbag on ranger. 2016 model year ram 1500's are prolly the most recalled model year pickup model.

Oh... I was going off 2016 model year vehicles recalled.... Prolly more of a correct measure of quality on a 2016 model year vs a recall on a 2004 ranger. Arent most of those ford recalls voluntary as well except maybe the airbag on ranger. 2016 model year ram 1500's are prolly the most recalled model year pickup model.

@LMAO
Ford didn't make recall for this issue yet. It has been at least month or 2 when first time reported. Someone is going to get killed.
There are F150 with defective Master Brake Cylinders on the road.
Very encouraging.
Ford propaganda in full force.

@Scott
I don't think that any Ford recall is voluntary. Specially not air bags and breaking rear shocks at Explorers police is using and injury was reported..
Ranger air bag cost yang fella a life because of shrapnel cutted his throat.
If you think, that some of them could be voluntary, let me know.

FCA shifter recall doesn't effect anything. They are just going to add a sludge hammer to hit the driver head on top of the 2 indicators and chime noise , that its not in parking position.

ZL1 is a torque monster? Heck I thought they would actually try to outdo the Hellcat but apparently not.

I guess GM is happy with less. Maybe that's all they could come up with?


@LMAO
Ford didn't make recall for this issue yet. It has been at least month or 2 when first time reported. Someone is going to get killed.
There are F150 with defective Master Brake Cylinders on the road.
Very encouraging.
Ford propaganda in full force.


Posted by: RAM | Apr 28, 2016 4:33:30 PM

It is hilarious to read your comments. I understand you are stupid. I mean you are a huge fiat guy. But you really are dumb. Has there never been a master cylinder failure in the history of master cylinders? Is the few reports that have been unconfirmed found to be an actual manufacture defect or is their more to the story? You know absolutely nothing unless your allpar propaganda site tells you what to think. Please stop looking stupid by not commenting anymore. I am laughing so hard at you I am having a hard time breathing.


@Scott
I don't think that any Ford recall is voluntary. Specially not air bags and breaking rear shocks at Explorers police is using and injury was reported..
Ranger air bag cost yang fella a life because of shrapnel cutted his throat.
If you think, that some of them could be voluntary, let me know.

FCA shifter recall doesn't effect anything. They are just going to add a sludge hammer to hit the driver head on top of the 2 indicators and chime noise , that its not in parking position.

Posted by: RAM | Apr 28, 2016 5:52:04 PM

How is it that someone that claims to be an engineer is soooooo dumb. I mean really. The ranger air bag incident. The Takata air bag issues affects just about every car brand or model in the world. But your ignorance has to put a Ford spin on it. You really are a turdrammer.

The tire recall that affect trucks that are a few weeks old is a voluntary recall. man you are ignorant.

Everything is voluntary. Even your life, when you look at that your way.


@Scott
I don't think that any Ford recall is voluntary. Specially not air bags and breaking rear shocks at Explorers police is using and injury was reported..
Ranger air bag cost yang fella a life because of shrapnel cutted his throat.
If you think, that some of them could be voluntary, let me know.

FCA shifter recall doesn't effect anything. They are just going to add a sludge hammer to hit the driver head on top of the 2 indicators and chime noise , that its not in parking position.

Posted by: RAM | Apr 28, 2016 5:52:04 PM

Yes turdrammer, fca is the poster child of voluntary recalls and making things right for the customers.

http://www.motorweek.org/auto_news/this_just_in/feds-hit-fca-with-record-fine-force-truck-buy-back

http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/chrysler/2015/12/09/fiat-chrysler-national-highway-safety-administration-nhtsa-fine/77069226/

Even though this is a joint venture, are the transmissions all being built by ford or are gm and ford going to manufacture the same transmission separately?

@LMAO
You blame me for posting one week old recalls and you bring up more than one year old one ?
Put yourself together bro.

10 speed can't get here soon enough, so we can put all this back and forth silly discussions to the rest. It's not RAM fault, you don't have it yet.

Nice discussion about pros and cons.... But regardless of whether the new transmission gets much greater performances, at least the makers are not stuck but moves forward and develops the technologies. There are makers doing almost nothing to improve their products but feel well just making money selling old-fashioned s..t. Just rejoice that american automakers fight for your pocket by offering modern hi-tech trucks!

LMAO
You blame me for posting one week old recalls and you bring up more than one year old one ?
Put yourself together bro.

Posted by: RAM | Apr 28, 2016 9:44:36 PM

What are you even talking about. Dude, you have got to stop swallowing the man pole juice. It is affecting your brain.

Trac has that article about this tranny being a well built piece. After going from a 6 speed eco v6 to a 8 speed Chevy the difference s are large. The main thing about a custom tuned eco is how great it used those first 4 gears towing. It literally acts like a 4 speed. The motor pulls it so good though its no biggie. The shift lockout is better than GM too. GM needed the 8 speed to be competitive. I wouldnt buy this GM I have now without it. Feels perfect to me.it is a tiny step up from the custom tuned eco in overal driving. And towing is smoother. Its not faster, but the eco was extremely fast. Cars are slower fast. Personal preference really. But I will keep the GM stock! It's really good the way it is. After having the turbo, I wouldnt own another unless it was a v8. Downshifting with a v8 and a load is just better in every way than a v6.

The 10 speed in the 17 ZL1
https://youtu.be/wLDSlYvprTM

RAM...

If a recall is performed without order from the a government authority then it is voluntary. Even if pressured by PI issues or groups without legal authority.

Every company has had ordered recalls, and every company has had voluntary recalls. Some much larger and some much smaller than others. Some have killed people and others haven't, some cost lots of money some don't...

Sadly it takes something with a combination of large magnitude, decent chance of happening, incidences of it happening, a resistance or failure to fix it, federal orders, judicial/legal involvement, settlements, injuries, death, damage for a recall to truly be something... Recalls of note that meet this level of error to be called negligence or corporate failure include the Pinto gas tanks, The Ford Cruise Control, The great Fiat truck buy back, Toyota Accelerator floor mat, and the most botched/badly handled/ worse overall of all the GM ignition fiasco.

Mistakes are going to happen. Big ones and little ones. A company that takes steps to prevent them will still have errors. A company that takes responsibility and mitigates the mistakes and their nature and deals with them quickly and efficiently is acting ethically and responsibly. A company that denies the issue, avoids the issue, gets people hurt/killed, loses law suites, gets ordered by legal authority, bumbles the fix is being negligent and should be ashamed and punished.

The 10 speed in the 17 ZL1
https://youtu.be/wLDSlYvprTM

Posted by: Cool | Apr 29, 2016 7:41:38 AM

And that's why i'm a GM guy. Wow, that trans shifts fast. I may have to trade-in something for one of those.

Definitely some good comments by mackintire. He gets my vote for best commenter here if his info. Is true. When ram started using the 8 speed transmission it bumped fuel economy up two to three mpg on average depending on the truck configuration. That equates to about $250 per year average savings in fuel at current prices. This joint ford gm transmission will probably provide a similar jump in fuel economy maybe more in real world economy for the ecoboost motors. The ecoboost seems to benefit the most from keeping the rpms low and staying out of turbos. You can get great mileage in the ecoboost but only with a light foot. With a ten speed that will be easier to accomplish. As long as it is reliable there is no reason the ten speed won't be an improvement. I for one would not buy a new truck until the ten speed was out.

Since I'd like to believe I have some level of credibility here...I 'll add.


You can expect the following with the 10 speed:
*6-8% less driveline losses
*Slightly higher towing numbers on the numerically lower ring gear options (+600-1000lbs)
*Refinement in gear selection and shift quality/speed

Clint you mentioned your experience with the Ram 5 speed. Well let me tell you.... that is not a normal 5 speed.

It's a 4 speed with 2 different second gears. You get the first of the 2nd gears while driving normally. You can ONLY get to the other 2nd gear while downshifting. Don't ask me why RAM decided to do this. Nissan and Ford had 5 speed automatics that used all the gears in a more normal fashion.

In truth,Nissan's might be the only one who actually designed a 5 speed automatic and I'm betting that they probably just modified a 4 speed just like everyone else did. Only difference is Nissan has a habit of overbuilding their truck transmissions, so no one noticed a significant increase in failures.

Its fairly common knowledge that Fords implementation of the 5R55E and 5R110W were modified 4 speeds that added a double reverse to come up with the 5th gear which sat in between 2nd and 4th.

Clint,

Good analysis.

I agree with the use of the differential as a two-speed device. That was actually common in many trucks in the 1930's, and worked very well, but at that time was much more expensive.

It makes sense, almost like the 4WH and 4WL settings on the transfer case of a 4WD vehicle. And it minimize the huge size, weight, complexity, and cooling issues that occur by crowding all those added gears into just the transmission.

So, you can hit a sweet spot: if you have even a nice shifting 8-speed (e.g., ZF) coupled with a low- range / high-range differential, you get essentially 16 gears worth of selection, WITHOUT all the fuss. You have distributed the shifting over two devices, not just one.

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And that's why i'm a GM guy. Wow, that trans shifts fast. I may have to trade-in something for one of those.


Posted by: GMSRGREAT | Apr 29, 2016 8:21:35 AM

You don't have to be a GM guy to think that is awsome. A car guy should always think that is awsome no matter the badge. That vette sounds great. Put that in the 5.0L Mustang or 5.2L and you could have a full song of awsomeness.

Camaro not vette.

Its fairly common knowledge that Fords implementation of the 5R55E and 5R110W were modified 4 speeds that added a double reverse to come up with the 5th gear which sat in between 2nd and 4th.

Posted by: mackintire | Apr 29, 2016 9:01:23 AM

The 5R110W does look a lot like the 4R100, but it really is a 6 speed transmission. 4th gear ratio is only used under 5F or during specific downshift conditions. 5th gear is used the majority of the time with the final ratio being 6th gear. And that is the same ratio as the 4R100.

Ford's 5 speed automatic were derived from their 4 speed autos.
And their 4 speed automatic were really 3 speed automatic + separate overdrive gearset.
So, Ford shortened 1st gear, and then applied overdrive on your 1st gear for another ratio, to make a 5 speed.
Under extremely rare conditions [extreme cold], will the transmission not upshift to its direct drive + direct drive, it will engage overdrive on 3rd gear [2nd gear of the 3 speed automatic] , for a nearly 1:1 ratio.
So it is not appropriate to call it a 6 speed automatic.



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