The big red button is for the emergency fire extinguisher.

Actually (and I have this on good authority) the red button is to detune the new 3.5 EB/10 speed, so the 6.2 GM's have a fighting chance against its 450 HP/450 Tq.

These beer can f-150's needed a face lift right out of the gate. That's a really sad front grille. The red button is for the FSS (Fire Suppression System). Ford doesn't want another embarrassing fire like what happened to the beer can Superduty.

GM needed a facelift even faster....

F-150 new 2015 MY, Facelift 2018 MY, 3 years later.

Silverado new 2014 MY, Facelift 2016 MY, 2 years later.

Ok gmsrgreat. You made your point. Now please move along and don't ruin this thread by arguing in 50 posts about how bad ford is and they all burn and anyone who buys one is a fool. We all know how you feel.

My question is when will they discontinue the ram ecodiesel? i know I read somewhere that marchionne said out right that it would only be available for a few years. Is there some new emissions standards coming out soon that will force the ecodiesel out?

And I still don't entirely believe that ford will have a new diesel soon. How do they have any money to develop it with all the new stuff they are producing lately? 10 speed. Two new ecoboosts. All new super duty. New truck factories. If anything it will be that land rover diesel or something else that is borrowed from someone else. But none of the engines mentioned as possibilities sound very promising.

Beebe, in corporate world each section of the corporate has their own capital. While the F150 had a lot go out with the F150 and 2.7L, that was in development years ago. A small diesel has been toyed around for years also on the f150. Ford also has diesel engines all over the world so the majority of heavy development cost is already done. Just like the EcoFiat in the ram. While yes big money for people to come up with a diesel but for Ford the money is easier to spend if it can have a business case.

Actually I wonder if the diesel could be the 2.7 ecoboost modified to run on diesel. I always heard it was built just like a diesel. That would be kind of neat. But I'm no engineer and don't have a clue if that would be feasible. Seems kind of genius if ford developed the 2.7 with that in mind as a possibility.

Why cannot this be a 2017 make-over instead of a 2018? By the time it comes out it will be like, out dated.... and have to play catch up to everyone else all over...

Chevy needs a big red button to turn off that shake. Brumski

will they debut at the state fair of texas

@beebe

The said Land Rover diesel is a Ford/Peugeot designed engine built in a Ford Plant in the UK. Look up Ford Lion Diesel. It would make sense for Ford to use this diesel in the F150 as it is more powerful then Ecodiesel. The F150 is lighter then the Ram. According to TTAC's Fords 10 SPD will be a more efficient design then the ZF or GM 8's. And it's been EPA certified thru Land Rover. So if this 3.0 is the Diesel they use the costs are little.

Just wondering, Why is it that all the Chevy & Ram truck commercial always compare themselves to that POS Ford military grade pickup?????

Just wondering, Why is it that all the Chevy & Ram truck commercial always compare themselves to that POS Ford military grade pickup?????

Posted by: blueman | Apr 2, 2016 11:22:10 AM

Because GM and Ram feel so bad that Ford sucks so hard, they try to make Ford look some what good LMBO!

From the looks of the grille,it might be looking like the superdutys grille for 2017. People really need to grow up on this forum. We are here because we love trucks first and foremost.

They will all follow Nissan into the Diesel heavy 1/2 ton space

I'm surprised this story hits here days after it was reported elsewhere.

Diesel and a 10 speed in a light truck... I see a leader coming.

Oh ram announced it was working hard at developing a turbo for the pentastar which could be the end of the hemi in all but trucks.

Where are the Ram fans who have been cutting down Fords ecoboost? Looks like Ram is playing catch up to have one as well... then we will see who builds better trucks won't we.

Gm owners are so negative towards Fords aluminum bodied trucks but announces they want to move that direction

Appears many are trying to play catch up with Ford several years ahead. The new diesel will be well thought out and no rush to market.

who the hell writes these articles, 3rd graders? Mind you, they are talking 1/2 ton trucks. "The Ram was all-new in 2014 while the GM trucks were redesigned in 2014."
Being a truck site you would think they would know more about when trucks are all new!

The Ram was all new several years ago, in fact, they were scheduled for a new one again for 15, or 16. And GM came out in May of 2013

@hdmax took the words right out of my mouth. RAM today is a 2009 with periodic updates to the drivetrain.

The Ford F150 in 2011 was called a real game changer except their engine game had been lagging so badly at that point that 2011 was regarded as a major upgrade.

Ford's Essex six cylinder was so outdated that they dropped it entirely and in 2010 their base engine was the 1991 gas 2-valve V8 that was standard in every taxicab in North America in those days.

In 2010 every major brand (except Ford) had a contemporary V8. Ford became competitive with the 2011.

This latest round with Ford product development looks like they're still fighting the last war--meeting Chairman Obammer's EPA fuel economy targets. In the meantime they are losing ground to their competition. Dumb.

This website is wrong. Ram was updated in 2013. GM and Chevy were all new in 2014. since they were wrong from the beginning of this article, the rest is pure BS. There is absolutely nothing about the spy shots that proves or even leans against it being a Diesel truck. It's all wishes from Mark Williams.

Fact: the oldest truck out there currently is the Ram. Period. (I would it count the Frontier)

A 3L F150 would be a nice addition with that extra payload/towing capability. As time passes I'm losing faith in the 3L ecodiesel related to engine failures and FCA's hand in hat begging for a financial suitor. Hopefully that 3L Lion has better reliability.

A 2017 release is only a couple of months away so no chance for a diesel F150 unless Ford does a mid year release.

@Montands I think you are right about the Ram. I bought an 09 ram and it has not changed much since then. Certainly not all new. Maybe Mark Williams was saying the grille was all new in 2014? I don't know. But ram has changed very little in the last 7 years except for the addition of the 8 speed and the ecodiesel and I believe the base v6 engine.

However, the reason why they believe the ford will have a diesel is it was clearly caught testing a diesel back in January with video proof:

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/01/28/ford-f150-diesel-spied-video/

So it does seem likely there will be a diesel based on that video alone. But still not a sure thing. I really hope it is the 2.7 v6 ecoboost converted to run on diesel or something else totally unexpected. The Land rover diesel and the diesel in the ford van are both totally unimpressive for fuel economy.

Ok gmsrgreat. You made your point. Now please move along and don't ruin this thread by arguing in 50 posts about how bad ford is and they all burn and anyone who buys one is a fool. We all know how you feel.

Posted by: Beebe | Apr 2, 2016 9:21:01 AM

Yes, I may argue about how bad a Ford is or their rubbish marketing but I will not call anyone a fool for buying one. For me it is all about the vehicle not the people. Unfortunately, it's posters such as LMAO that start the name calling when ever anything about Ford's are challenged.

It's funny to read comments like, "oldest truck is RAM , blah, blah, blah " and Ford is going to get a diesel and more than 6 speeds in 2 years maybe, something RAM owners enjoy for 3 years already.
Get a grip people.
What happened to the argument that diesel doesn't make sense ? Eh?
Ford fanboys must have a lobotomy done. At least they remember, that ford sells most fseries trucks what ever that means.
Stop eating what you sheet.

every diesel engine Ford has made in the past was a failure

every diesel engine Ford has made in the past was a failure

Posted by: Lou_DC | Apr 3, 2016 2:33:03 AM

Considering that the only diesel engine Ford has made for its pickups was the 6.7 which has been a runaway success shows how much you know bud. If you are referring to the 6.4, 6.0, and 7.3 engines those were built by Navistar International... but I wouldn't call the 7.3 a failure considering it was arguably the best diesel engine ever stuffed into a pickup next to the 5.9 Cummins.

Yes, I may argue about how bad a Ford is or their rubbish marketing but I will not call anyone a fool for buying one. For me it is all about the vehicle not the people. Unfortunately, it's posters such as LMAO that start the name calling when ever anything about Ford's are challenged.

Posted by: GMSRGREAT | Apr 3, 2016 1:17:19 AM

Because your a freaking tool bag that comes on each and every thread aND post inaccurate crap. It does not have to be a Ford or GM thread. Every thread. So if you go away you won't see post like what you responded to. Notice how all the GM threads and fiat threads last about one day and Ford threads go for days. It's because you have nothing good to talk about your favorite brand and have to constantly bash Ford. Go away for 2 weeks and see how much better it will be here without you. When I got back from vacation I went through some articles and my god your a tool bag.

Considering that the only diesel engine Ford has made for its pickups was the 6.7 which has been a runaway success shows how much you know bud. If you are referring to the 6.4, 6.0, and 7.3 engines those were built by Navistar International... but I wouldn't call the 7.3 a failure considering it was arguably the best diesel engine ever stuffed into a pickup next to the 5.9 Cummins.

Posted by: Shawn | Apr 3, 2016 3:54:50 AM

Agreed. The old IDI 6.9 did well and so did the IDI 7.3L too. No power but decent torque. They would pull anything just not very fast. But very reliable. The 7.3L DI (aka T444E) were solid engines. A few injector issues, cam sensor recall, a few injector driver modules but in reality they would just run. But again it was a preemmission diesel. This engine is what started the diesel wars with Isuzu developing the 6.6L for GM and the upgrades to the Cummins 5.9.

The 6.0L was not that great but by 05 Ford and International was making it much better. They are increasing in used value now because after you bullet proof them for little money they last a long time. The 6.4L had the same issues as the early regeneration 6.6L Duramaxs. The 6.4L was just more well known for the oil grow issues with fuel in the oil and taking out the engines. But way more 6.4L Ford trucks out there vs 6.6L GM trucks.

The Ford 6.7L had a great start except chassis cab engines. I felt Ford should have done more for those customers though. They really made me mad when they would not take care of the engine issues after warranty when one failed for the known issue. But besides emissions issues that even GM has with the 6.6L (pretty much the same problems) the Ford 6.7L is doing great.

All this talk about diesel is fine if your truck wakes up every morning and runs all day.

If the average morning temp. where you live is less than 50 degrees F, a gas engine will make more sense, unless of course you run a 24/7 van service for passengers at a major airport.

One size does not fit all, but I'm annoyed with people thinking that the average (half ton owner) guy in the suburbs should be running a diesel. Even if you subtract the cold natured aspects of diesel, the overall drivability of gas engines is way more attractive.

The people who need a half ton truck--and want more motor than a basic gas V8--probably need an HD anyway.

Jim, further clarification is needed for your first sentence. If your engine idles all day a new modern diesel is not the way to go at all. Oil temps will never get up to where they need to be. EAT will never get up to where it needs to be. You will have issues with the EGR system coking. A Diesel engine needs to run and run hard. A gas engine 8s much better suited for the long idle times. Today's gas engines I believe are in a much better place for being able to work hard and efficiency. While diesels still do better at towing and FE, they do come at a premium that is hard to justify. Especially in a 1/2 ton. But I can see the diesel side from a manufacturer stand point like fiat to bring up their carbon footprint because of their lack vehicles with good FE.

EGT not EAT.

Is not 8s. Auto correct sucks sometimes

Shawn.
I am well aware Navistar made the diesels for Ford.
but,,,, Navistar built those engines to Ford's specs.
When you buy a bottle of Heinz Ketchup it's made different for different grocery stores. If Heinz breaks even charging a store $1 per bottle and that store says they will only spend 80 cents per bottle Heinz will find a way to make it cheaper either by downsizing it or adding water or filler taking away the quality.
I can open a can of worms about that brand name diesel engine in the Ram trucks but I don't want to get those guys riled up (sometimes an independent mfg. is contracted to build engines for them and if I told them WHO really made that engine they freak out)

@John--Good comment, I agree. The problem is that fan boys have ruined this site. Someone that really likes trucks is less interested in brands and more interested in the latest news about trucks. Grown men acting like school children.

@papa jim--Agree, a diesel is not for everyone. I drive short distances and a diesel would not make sense. If I needed to tow and/or did a lot of long distance interstate driving then a diesel would make more sense. For most a diesel would not make sense, but having said that I am glad that the truck makers are offering a diesel option for those who want and need a diesel.

LMAO
both diesel and gasoline is refined much different than it was 30 years ago and the engine designs have a problem adapting to that.
both fuels were more powerful, more concentrated, produced more heat,,, heck! if you could go back in time and filled up your truck with the fuels they made 30 years ago you'll get 45 MPG
the older engines always had overheating problems mainly cause the fuels burned hotter and they had problems controlling the advanced timing
the vehicles today take forever to warm up, it shows on a cold morning when it takes 20 miles before the heater blows heat

Lou, I think we all know that newer engines are much more refined. The issues always falls on the emissions control and not the actual engines. Gasoline engines are much less prone but new diesels are doing things a diesel is not meant to do, like eat it's own exhaust gas.

@Lou, Navistar did built to Fords wants and needs but in the case of the VT365, it was out before Ford put it in a superduty. It was trouble prone in the internationals before it was trouble pronew in the superduty. Navistar finally got rid of the Maxforce 7 aka 6.4L and that was a huge fiasco in international trucks. Talk to any international dealer and have them talk about the Maxforce 7.

Ford finally gonna do a refresh of the unsightly front end. Ford should put the rapters front end on it, looks 100x better.

Lots of trash posted in the comments by the usual suspects. If F-150 always lagged why did F-150 win the 2008 Light Duty Challenge? This was even before the 2011 engines. Why did Ford win every single LD shootout from 2008 to 2014 except one (Ram won on based on cab size perference)?

People buy the overall truck, not just the engine. To futher this point, look at GM and Chevy customers themselves. Most buy the 5.3. 6.2 is such a tiny fraction of sales, if it was so great, more people would be buying it. Plus there is a $9k upcharge to go to the premium engine/upper trim. Just buy a HD if you want moe engine in a basic package is the typical comment from the GM and Ram cartel. Been there done that.

Ford makes their premium engines available on all trims which is better for the customer. GM wanted to go to turbo charging and aluminum first but the bankruptcy and govn't bailout hurt them badly. Educate yourself.

Some of you guys are so narrow sighted about Chevy vs. Ford its almost pathetic. I either laughed or was astonished by the ignorance in some of papa jim's post.

Before the 2011 engines, F-150 had a much stronger frame and it was largely better built than a comparable product from GM. Plus the GMs back then were known for their paper thin sheetmetal and cheap interiors that wouldn't hold up.

Also prior and post 2011, the GM trucks had drum brakes in the rear. They have 1950's tech pushrod engines. Ford's overhead cam engines are much more modern and have shown in my experiance to last much longer. The Ford is a lot tougher. The GM trucks were always wannabe copies of Ford.

@Greg B so much wrong that it's hard to know where to start!

If Ford's antique (4.6 & 5.4) V8 wasn't due for an upgrade, please tell us why they had to hire Denis Leary to chat up the EcoBoost for the last five years!

Better yet, why not offer the F150 with the old 5.4 V8... there would be no takers. Ford's updated 5.0 is the better of the two by a wide margin. Which is what I think I said, right?

Ford its almost pathetic.

Posted by: Scott N. | Apr 3, 2016 10:47:04 AM

:'GM small blocks are legendary for durability and long life. Very common to see 200,000 plus miles on a 5.3 and never having been opened up or have blown out any spark plugs which is what a FORD would require to reach those mileage levels.
I have seen 5.3 chevy's well toward 300,00 miles with no internal issues. With respect to brakes, Chevy 1/2 tons ran rear disc brakes from 1999 to 2006. I can't remember what the HD's were running for rear brakes.

The 2009 F-150 with the 5.4 still beat the Chevy 6.2 in 2008. EcoBoosts for all is killing the Chevy 5.3 mojo. GM wants more aluminum and turbing charging and had to push its remodel up to 2018. GM also had to refresh the front end within 2 MYs of the 2014 new truck. GM is the laggard. Wake up and smell the coffee, jim.

By the 2018 timing, JLR I6 3.0 ingenium diesel's should be in production so Ford may have a surplus of V6 3.0's they actually source to JLR.

This is great news, because with its light weight construction, 10-speed auto gearbox and this diesel, the F-150 will provide exceptional FE in addition to low end torque comfort for city cruising, off roading and towing.

The Sd6 also seems better then the EcoDiesel, in terms of break horse power and torque, however by 2018 RAM will have a brand new 1500 with improved engines.

@Greg you can't be helped.

@LMAO two words: Reading Comprehension

If you re-read my remarks about diesel there is no reference made to "idling all day."

You pulled that one out of your butt.

@LMAO two words: Reading Comprehension

If you re-read my remarks about diesel there is no reference made to "idling all day."

You pulled that one out of your butt.

Posted by: papa jim | Apr 3, 2016 11:28:12 AM

First LAMO needs to pull his head out of his butt.

Flashback to 2009 and Ford's 1st place finish:

For work, we found the Ford is simply the better truck. Its tow rating, a stout 9300 pounds, handled our test trailer with ease. It shared the electronic trailer-sway control feature with the Dodge, but only the Ford had an integrated brake controller. And that's a game-changing feature. The Ford was the only truck to offer a flat load floor under the rear seat.That makes the space more useful for real hauling than the lumpy bottoms of the other trucks. The F-150 is the only truck in our test that offered a system that can electronically track your tools. That's cool. And ours came with Sync and a gorgeous bird's-eye-view navigation system, both of which are simply class-leading. It was these details, the nearly one-pickup-class-above work capability and the overall refinement that tipped the scales in the Ford's favor.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/trucks/reviews/a3677/4287668/

PM said it best. The Ford is the better work truck. Also, Lou is one person I know who had the option of the 5.4 or the new engines and he was perfectly satisfied with the 5.4 He doesn't buy a truck for 0-60 times. Ford has always had the better work truck. That's what a lot of the posters in the comments know nothing about because they are image buyers.

PS PM comments on Chevy's 2009 4th place finish (keep in mind before the new engines from Ford) .....

The highly competitive pickup business moves quickly. The Chevy Silverado, which was such hot stuff when it launched two years ago, only made it to fourth in this roundup. There is, however, much to like about the Silverado. It handled superbly, exhibiting crisp turn-in response and a decidedly untrucklike neutral handling balance. It was quickest through both the lane-change and slalom tests. Braking performance was quite good, too.

The Silverado's 5.3-liter V8 was the smallest motor of the group, but the truck did not feel underpowered. Thanks in part to the cylinder deactivation system, the Chevy had the highest EPA highway rating (20 mpg) and scored the second-best real-world economy in our test. The close ratio spacing in the new six-speed transmission and street-oriented rubber might have given the Silverado a bump here. Under light load, the automatic swapped gears with carlike smoothness. But when tasked with real work, the shifts became surprisingly harsh, especially when we had the trailer attached, and the gearbox had to drop down two gears to make a pass.

The Chevy also earned demerits in the ride-comfort department. It handles small pavement irregularities with smoothness. But big bumps, frost heaves and washboards make the body twist and the dash vibrate with Richter-scale amplitude. Increased body rigidity would certainly improve this truck's refinement. The rear seat of the Silverado was less roomy and relaxing than most here. The seatback is uncomfortably upright and offers less knee clearance than the others. From the captain's chair, looking out over the smoothly flowing dash and convincing woodgrain, the Chevy's cockpit is fit for an upscale sedan. Trouble is, this is a truck test. There just didn't seem to be much creativity in the various cubby designs compared to the Ford or Dodge. That said, Chevy does offer a no-cost optional Ã'Pure Pickup" interior that is more suited to work duty. The Chevy came with plenty of goodies including rear-seat entertainment and navigation systems. The Silverado is still a capable and competent pickup truck, but nowadays that's just not enough.