Ford Shows Off Updated EcoBoost Powertrain
By Aaron Bragman
Ford unveiled an all-new 3.5-liter EcoBoost V-6 and 10-speed automatic transmission in Dearborn, Mich., on Tuesday. The new multiversion powertrain combination will appear first in the all-new 2017 Ford F-150 Raptor pickup truck and then will move into the full lineup of 2017 F-150s arriving in dealer showrooms later this fall.
A Familiar New Engine
Despite maintaining a 3.5-liter displacement, the new EcoBoost twin-turbo V-6 is a completely new motor, according to Ford, maintaining only the bore spacing and deck height with the current 3.5-liter EcoBoost V-6 to make for an easier manufacturing transition from old engine to new.
The block, cylinder heads, turbochargers, fuel-injection system and everything else is new. The result is a motor that pumps out 30 more pounds-feet of torque than the current engine, bringing the total output to 450 pounds-feet. This will give the 3.5-liter EcoBoost engine a class-leading torque number, greater than any other V-8 or V-6 motor in the half-ton segment.
Ford focused on a few key areas to bump up the output of the motor while simultaneously making it lighter, smoother and more fuel efficient. The engine will make use of dual fuel-injection systems — a direct-injection system like the current motor has for precise control of fuel delivery, and a new secondary port-fuel injection system to provide greater fuel volume per cylinder, good for high-load demands for power. Like the current motor, the new EcoBoost 3.5-liter V-6 will run on regular gasoline.
New turbochargers will use new, lightweight turbine wheels made out of Mar-M-247 alloy developed for the aerospace industry. They employ electrically activated waste gates for better responsiveness, while the engine uses new hollow camshafts to reduce weight. Finally, stop-start technology will be standard on the new twin-turbo motor but will be tuned for truck use - meaning that it will deactivate when the truck is in Tow/Haul mode or when its four-wheel-drive system is engaged.
Two versions of this twin-turbo V-6 will be used on the 2017 F-150. A basic motor producing 450 pounds-feet of torque will be used for the F-150, while a high-output version will be used for the new Ford Raptor set to debut later this summer. Ford did not provide horsepower or fuel-economy numbers.
Ten Forward Speeds
When the new EcoBoost engine arrives, it will be mated exclusively to Ford's new 10-speed automatic transmission. New from the ground up, it's been developed in a joint venture with GM, but don't expect it to share much in terms of gear ratios or tuning with a Chevrolet Silverado, where it's likely to be a nine-speed. The 10-speed maintains almost the same dimensions as Ford's six-speed automatic, but it will provide better acceleration and performance thanks to a few key design features.
Wider spacing in the gear ratios plus three overdrive gears should help, as will the exclusive use of aluminum, steel and composite materials — there isn't a single piece of cast iron anywhere in the transmission, a first for Ford. Additionally, an integrated torque converter/turbine clutch helps to maintain the compact dimensions of the transmission.
So the new transmission should be lighter, more responsive, more efficient, and thanks to some new software tuning, provide improved performance when towing and hauling. Look for the new engine and transmission combination to start arriving in model-year 2017s, which should be available this fall.
Manufacturer images; Cars.com photos by Aaron Bragman
Comments
450tq with a 10 speed, this thing is gonna be a towing monster. 1800 rpm this thing will be making more torque then others make at peak.
Holy moly, this is a monster!
Who would have thought the EcoBoost would dominate the way it has, and now surpass all engines big or small. Unreal.
Another smackdown on the competitors as they try to catch up.
Yes this is crazy good for them! This is a game changer for sure...I'm no eco boost fan, but this one is now interesting
Damn, this thing is amazing. I still hear rumors of an Ecoboost 5.0L V8
More conflict of interest with Ford and this site...
You don't need a Ecoboost 5.0 with numbers like this. LOL
Ford had to do something....LOL and used GM to accomplish it... well played on their part. GM's 6.2 Walks all over everything out there (with the 8spd) the 6spd was a programmed dog...not programmed at all for towing.. I guess life expectancy of this Ecoboost remains to be seen but the internal water pump on it and other 3.5/3.7s is a engineering fail....
Read "on regular gas".
Ummm....class leading torque? Doesn't the GM 6.2 produce 460lbs of Tq? Don't you just hate it when journalists can't get the facts straight before publishing the story?
A monster? GMs 6.2 is already better then that. The 10 speed is quite unimpressive as well. The next gen ZF 8HP already has a wider spread and has been confirmed for the next Ram.
@Oxximoron, You guys are all crazy man, the reason its all about Ford is because they are the innovators, when you always reveal new things and new ideas, you get the media attention
"it's been developed in a joint venture with GM, but don't expect it to share much in terms of gear ratios or tuning with a Chevrolet Silverado, where it's likely to be a nine-speed."
This quote makes zero sense. Ford and Gm developed 2 transmissions, one for pickups and larger engines, and a 9-speed for cars with smaller engines. The Silverado will get the 10-speed. It might be tuned different, but saying it will likely be a 9 speed is false. ford and GM developed the current 6-speed together, meaning there will be no issues transitioning from the 6 speed to the 10. The current 8-speed is simply a modified 6-speed, same size.
Also, the 10speed will be in the Chevy Silverado 1500, Tahoe, suburban, GMC Sierra 1500, Yukon, Yukon XL, and Cadillac Escalade and Escalade ESV. The Ford SDs and GM HDs will share the nine speed. Geez. Where do you get these people?
Not class leading torque. It's only class leading v6 engines. GM 6.2 has 460lb ft
GM's 6.2 on PAPER is rated for 460 foot pounds of torque, the dyno on the other hand showed it put less torque to the ground then the old 3.5EB(400 is the number). The 8 speed helped the 6.2 win by a tiny margin. Let's just remember one thing, this new 3.5 isn't even the HO model. i'm guessing the raptor will put out 450hp and over 500tq.
Slap a bigger turbo on anything and sure it will produce more power; sorry to say FE numbers will again be pretty poor. You can have power and FE with the boost, but you cannot have both. This is where the 6.2 or 3.0 perform better than the 3.5
(I am going to assume the HO 3.5 will have bigger turbos)
Ford had to do something....LOL and used GM to accomplish it... well played on their part. GM's 6.2 Walks all over everything out there (with the 8spd) the 6spd was a programmed dog...not programmed at all for towing.. I guess life expectancy of this Ecoboost remains to be seen but the internal water pump on it and other 3.5/3.7s is a engineering fail....
Posted by: GM Corporate couldn't care less | May 5, 2016 10:25:40 AM
The 6.2L with 8 speed is just barely stronger than the current level 3.5L GTDI with 6 speed. Both trucks are almost matched together while the 3.5L makes 55 LESS HP and 40 LBFT of torque. Now add more torque to the 3.5L GTDI and a new furl system that gets rid of the valve carbon issue that all DI engines have it will be a strong engine and competitor. It is hard to know how the 10 speed will work in both configurations but I see this a worry for GM other than having the numbers on paper.
The GM fan girls can thank Ford for 2011 and the introduction of the 3.5L GTDI for their current 6.2L. The Ford guys can thank GM for the 6.2L and Ford updating the 3.5L. All about competition.
Slap a bigger turbo on anything and sure it will produce more power; sorry to say FE numbers will again be pretty poor. You can have power and FE with the boost, but you cannot have both. This is where the 6.2 or 3.0 perform better than the 3.5
Posted by: Montands | May 5, 2016 10:40:08 AM
This post proves that you do not know anything about turbos or engines that are turbo charged. Any giveN truck will require so much HP to maintain speed. It is a fact. Just because a turbo engine can make 1000 HP it does not mean it uses all of it to cruise at 70 mph. The solenoid actuated waste gates has me excited because I bet they are going to open them up to reduce boost and enter a NA mode to increase FE. Even under slight boost like the current engines A/F may need to be richneed up. Go NA, it can be more lean to increase FE.
They cant build what they have now to be reliable this will be another disaster! LMAO
they finally realized after 5 years you cant use direct injection only lol wonder how bad of a learning curve this will be.
Interesting to see how each company approaches its premium engine choice. GM with old school V8 (nothing wrong with that) and Ford going forced induction. Wonder will this will stand in 5 years or so?? Will GM go boosted V6? Will Ford drop the V8?? I like the dual fuel injection. That carbon build up is what kept me away from the turbo V6... Easy to get drunk on torque tho
They cant build what they have now to be reliable this will be another disaster! LMAO
they finally realized after 5 years you cant use direct injection only lol wonder how bad of a learning curve this will be.
Posted by: hemi lol | May 5, 2016 10:57:36 AM
The current 3.5L is far from a disaster. It has proven to be a very reliable engine. At least 2 manufactures out there are fighting the DI side effects. GM will catch on soon.
Will you be able to PERMANENTLY deactivate start stop?
"Finally, stop-start technology will be standard on the new twin-turbo motor but will be tuned for truck use - meaning that it will deactivate when the truck is in Tow/Haul mode or when its four-wheel-drive system is engaged". Driving by a car the other day that did this. I just CRINGE at the wear and tear on the engine and turbos of the start and stop. The XD disappointed in price, ride, bang for the buck. I haul more than I tow
I am loving the childish comments, signs of envy and jealousy.
This motor has been out for 5 years and has been since dominating, you all are delusional.
When your poor fav Truck maker develops a v6 turbo, you'll be eating crow. Pathetic.
Will you be able to PERMANENTLY deactivate start stop?
"Finally, stop-start technology will be standard on the new twin-turbo motor but will be tuned for truck use - meaning that it will deactivate when the truck is in Tow/Haul mode or when its four-wheel-drive system is engaged". Driving by a car the other day that did this. I just CRINGE at the wear and tear on the engine and turbos of the start and stop. The XD disappointed in price, ride, bang for the buck. I haul more than I tow
Posted by: ELSID | May 5, 2016 11:06:47
Highly unlikely you can permanently but like the current trucks I'm sure you can turn it off. The inside of the truck shows having the off switch. But I'm sure it will turn back on during a restart.
Nice engine for a half ton truck, if it's ever ready for heavy duty work Ford will put it in the Super duty. Until then, it's just a city slicker truck engine.
The 3.5 EB is in the full size transits. Ready for work.
On how this thing would do in a Super Duty, 365/450 is a few HP shy, but 45 more ft-lbs than the 6.2L, at a much lower RPM.
I'm a little dissapointed in the article. Aaron Bragman from Cars.com dropped the ball again.
I hope they have more info on it. TFL provided better content.
Gm doesnt make 460 ft/lbs on 6.2 unless you drive it on the ocean. Average elevation of the US is around 2000 ft. So the gm has lost around 6% of its power right out the gate average. Many states push average elevation of 4-5000+ so you are down 15%+ on power. Gm will have a boosted v6 as their top tier motor soon And a 5.3 and a na v6 as well as a diesel option. 6.2 will eventually become a corvette camaro only engine.
Turbo engines are clearly the future, there aren't any diesels without turbo and soon there won't be any gas engines without a turbo or maybe supercharger.
The 5.0 V8 with turbo would be the equivalent of an 8.0 V12, it would move the F-150 zero to 60 in less than 5s. Since the F-150 3.5 EB is already quite quick, the 5.0 EB would better suited for the Mustang.
Ford should bring the 3.0 V6 diesel instead. That engine will be perfect for the F-150. I guess they will offer it once Jaguar Land Rover starts using their own 3.0 I6 diesels. Ford has no other use for that engine and it's already US certified.
All in all, I think the FE will improve considerably with the 10 speed, start-stop, lighter weight and other details.
GM 6.2L = 460ft-lb, as others have said. WTF PUTC?
"The result is a motor that pumps out 30 more pounds-feet of torque than the current engine, bringing the total output to 450 pounds-feet. This will give the 3.5-liter EcoBoost engine a class-leading torque number, greater than any other V-8 or V-6 motor in the half-ton segment."
one upmanship has always been the name of the game with oems.What ford has done,and is doing is raising the bar for other oems to rise too,or stay mediocre.Competition is good,for all of us.GM's 6.2 is a damn good engine,that delivers good economy for what it is.FCA's 3.0L eco diesel goes in a different direction,but is still good at what it does.Not great,but good.The next 4 or 5 years years will be exciting to see what plays out.Not being brand loyal,I find it interesting as hell.It's a good game they all play.
Cant deny that the 3.5 twin turbo EB has been a smash hit success for Ford and changed the 1/2 ton game.
Cant deny that the Chevy 6.2 is a very big engine that makes a lot of power...
How many Chevy 1/2 tons get the 6.2 versus F150s with the 3.5 EB? I personally don't know but would guess that the EB outnumbers the 6.2 several times over in 1/2 ton trucks. So yea Chevy does offer a much bigger old fashioned engine that makes slightly more power than the EB if you option all the way up to it. How many Chevy 1/2 tons on the lot have a 6.2? Im very sure you cant swing a dead cat without hitting 10 F150s in various packages with the EB.
Ultimately CAFE will probably do in the large displacement (think over 5.5L) V8s in the half tons. Time will ultimately tell.
Going from 6 to 10 with a tranny developed jointly thus sharing costs (even if it is with GM who probably had the taxpayer pay for their portion or just defaulted on it) makes a lot more sense to me than the costs associated with developing an 8 speed independently. The difference from 6 to 10 should be more than 1 mpg and should also actually be felt.
The really interesting part of this article and I find it a bit disturbing is that this is effectively an all new engine. Why was it necessary to bring/develop an entirely new engine with only some hold over dimensions from the previous engine that was still in its first generation? Really good engines go on for decades and have to with the costs in development, and testing. That the first gen EB sold so well did so well and now is effectively being abandoned as opposed to developed is at least poor business planning and leads me to believe that there wasn't much room for improvement in its design. That's very detrimental to long term health of the company building an engine that has so little room to grow without massive reworking. Not to mention things really don't get interesting with regards to quality/durability until you cross the decade threshold. I hope this design has enough going for it to endure long enough to truly prove itself in more ways than just the press, sales and initial impressions.
What interesting in this article and disturbing to me
How many Chevy 1/2 tons get the 6.2 versus F150s with the 3.5 EB? - Clint
The F150 accounts for 46% equipped with Ecoboost Engine.
The Chevy, not even in the 10%
Old Fashion 6.2L outdated Tech, that's cool, it's like watching TV on an old 60 inch Sony Big Screen.
On the other Hand, the Ford 3.5L Ecoboost is like watching a 60 inch LCD LED Smart TV.
@Clint, while I understand what you are saying at least I believe I am, a company saying goes all new is a probably a poor choice of words. GM has a all new 5.3L and 6.2L. Didn't mean the others were bad but as the rules change so does engine design. The 3.5L is stout but as always there is room for improvement. It looks like there was some dimensional changes to the block and that could be prepping for a new home for that engine. While "all new" does say what is wrong with the old one, it still says they are looking for ways to make it even better. At least to me.
And by new block dimensions, it was reported to be shorter
And by new block dimensions, it was reported to be shorter
Posted by: LMAO | May 5, 2016 12:21:20 PM
And much lighter in weight as well.
And by new block dimensions, it was reported to be shorter
Posted by: LMAO | May 5, 2016 12:21:20 PM
And much lighter in weight as well.
This motor has been out for 5 years and has been since dominating, you all are delusional.
When your poor fav Truck maker develops a v6 turbo, you'll be eating crow. Pathetic.
Posted by: Frank | May 5, 2016 11:11:39 AM
Talk bout delusional. The eco turd hasn't dominated any thing.
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2016/01/whats-the-best-light-duty-truck-for-towing-2016-texas-truck-showdown.html
And by new block dimensions, it was reported to be shorter
Posted by: LMAO | May 5, 2016 12:21:20 PM
And much lighter in weight as well.
Posted by: Frank | May 5, 2016 12:36:40 PM
Did they finally make it weight less then a V8 LMMAO!!!!!!!!!!!
That's about what I figured Frank on the 6.2 vs the EB build/sales figures. While Chevy can say this and that about the 6.2 and it is offered the truth is very few want, choose, or get it as opposed to the EB.
LMAO its hard to say. To me excellent well thought out designs stand the test of time and have room for development. Maybe that wasn't the case maybe that wasn't the plan maybe philosophies on this have changed. Its also hard to measure the true dependability of a platform, engine, power train if BIG changes are always needed/happening.
I could be wrong but it causes me what I feel is a natural concern.
Stopped at my local GM dealer the other day. Out of 50 or so new half tons, I didn't find any with the 6.2. It's too bad GM makes such an awesome motor and then makes it almost unavailable. That and the fact that it requires premium fuel will likely keep me from ever owning one. Next best is the Ecoboost which is widely available in both new and used markets. I hope this new ecoboost will be like the current motor in one aspect: not requiring premium fuel.
The really interesting part of this article and I find it a bit disturbing is that this is effectively an all new engine. Why was it necessary to bring/develop an entirely new engine with only some hold over dimensions from the previous engine that was still in its first generation?
Posted by: Clint
Because the old one was total junk!!!! 2011-current Ford tech are chasing miss fires, blown head gaskets, and flying timing chains LMAO!!!!!!!!!!
It's the gas verison of the 6.0L 6.4L diesel fail.
Stopped at my local GM dealer the other day. Out of 50 or so new half tons, I didn't find any with the 6.2. It's too bad GM makes such an awesome motor and then makes it almost unavailable. That and the fact that it requires premium fuel will likely keep me from ever owning one. Next best is the Ecoboost which is widely available in both new and used markets. I hope this new ecoboost will be like the current motor in one aspect: not requiring premium fuel.
Posted by: ckreid92 | May 5, 2016 1:04:56 PM
Actually, nobody wants the 6.2L GM
Because the old one was total junk!!!! 2011-current Ford tech are chasing miss fires, blown head gaskets, and flying timing chains LMAO!!!!!!!!!!
It's the gas verison of the 6.0L 6.4L diesel fail.
Posted by: johnny doe | May 5, 2016 1:10:51 PM
Yea, no. Again you are wrong about everything. Nothing but a brainless GM turd
Did they finally make it weight less then a V8 LMMAO!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: johnny doe | May 5, 2016 1:00:32 PM
So what kind of weight did GM take out of the 6.2L to make it lighter than a V6 engine that is almost 1/2 the CCs. Kind of makes you wonder about those really light pistons working hard. Those really light rods working hard. That crank shaft that is really light under hard working conditions. Especially since there is 2 less rods and pistons in the 3.5L and a much shorter crankshaft and block.
Yea, no. Again you are wrong about everything. Nothing but a brainless GM turd
Posted by: LMAO | May 5, 2016 1:21:49 PM
Ha, I think I'll listen to the Ford tech that works on them every day, then some clueless dumb a#$$ tool like you!
https://www.youtube.com/user/FordTechMakuloco
Awesome new engine that tuned for efficiency. FE will surprise people. The Raptor will probably have around 450 HP but Ford is keeping this at the current 365 HP. They don't really need more HP since it is already more then a match for the GM 6.2 which will fade into history in a few years.
Ha, I think I'll listen to the Ford tech that works on them every day, then some clueless dumb a#$$ tool like you!
https://www.youtube.com/user/FordTechMakuloco
Posted by: johnny doe | May 5, 2016 1:36:09 PM
Yea, proceed with listening to that guy. Like I told you before, I know him and his opinions are not always correct. If you actually listen to some of things he says and have a small clue on the subject you will know there are some holes in his logic. But you are a GM brainless child so I guess you can be easily misled like a blind dumb sheep.
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