Ford Shows Off Updated EcoBoost Powertrain

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By Aaron Bragman

Ford unveiled an all-new 3.5-liter EcoBoost V-6 and 10-speed automatic transmission in Dearborn, Mich., on Tuesday. The new multiversion powertrain combination will appear first in the all-new 2017 Ford F-150 Raptor pickup truck and then will move into the full lineup of 2017 F-150s arriving in dealer showrooms later this fall.

A Familiar New Engine

Despite maintaining a 3.5-liter displacement, the new EcoBoost twin-turbo V-6 is a completely new motor, according to Ford, maintaining only the bore spacing and deck height with the current 3.5-liter EcoBoost V-6 to make for an easier manufacturing transition from old engine to new.

The block, cylinder heads, turbochargers, fuel-injection system and everything else is new. The result is a motor that pumps out 30 more pounds-feet of torque than the current engine, bringing the total output to 450 pounds-feet. This will give the 3.5-liter EcoBoost engine a class-leading torque number, greater than any other V-8 or V-6 motor in the half-ton segment.

Ford focused on a few key areas to bump up the output of the motor while simultaneously making it lighter, smoother and more fuel efficient. The engine will make use of dual fuel-injection systems — a direct-injection system like the current motor has for precise control of fuel delivery, and a new secondary port-fuel injection system to provide greater fuel volume per cylinder, good for high-load demands for power. Like the current motor, the new EcoBoost 3.5-liter V-6 will run on regular gasoline.

New turbochargers will use new, lightweight turbine wheels made out of Mar-M-247 alloy developed for the aerospace industry. They employ electrically activated waste gates for better responsiveness, while the engine uses new hollow camshafts to reduce weight. Finally, stop-start technology will be standard on the new twin-turbo motor but will be tuned for truck use - meaning that it will deactivate when the truck is in Tow/Haul mode or when its four-wheel-drive system is engaged.

Two versions of this twin-turbo V-6 will be used on the 2017 F-150. A basic motor producing 450 pounds-feet of torque will be used for the F-150, while a high-output version will be used for the new Ford Raptor set to debut later this summer. Ford did not provide horsepower or fuel-economy numbers.

Ten Forward Speeds

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When the new EcoBoost engine arrives, it will be mated exclusively to Ford's new 10-speed automatic transmission. New from the ground up, it's been developed in a joint venture with GM, but don't expect it to share much in terms of gear ratios or tuning with a Chevrolet Silverado, where it's likely to be a nine-speed. The 10-speed maintains almost the same dimensions as Ford's six-speed automatic, but it will provide better acceleration and performance thanks to a few key design features.

Wider spacing in the gear ratios plus three overdrive gears should help, as will the exclusive use of aluminum, steel and composite materials — there isn't a single piece of cast iron anywhere in the transmission, a first for Ford. Additionally, an integrated torque converter/turbine clutch helps to maintain the compact dimensions of the transmission.

So the new transmission should be lighter, more responsive, more efficient, and thanks to some new software tuning, provide improved performance when towing and hauling. Look for the new engine and transmission combination to start arriving in model-year 2017s, which should be available this fall.

Manufacturer images; Cars.com photos by Aaron Bragman

 

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Comments

You support Hillary? Wow you really are F ed up! Why test drive a 2016, when I already have a perfectly fine 2014 Silverado, 2016 Colorado, and 1998 Sierra in my drive way super tard.

Posted by: johnny doe | May 5, 2016 1:39:43 PM

I believe the city you live in offers free $hit clean up for your driveway.

"Like I told you before"
Posted by: LMAO | May 5, 2016 2:09:34 PM

Really now? Prove that one to me, because you never told me nothing bout that guy before. Comment with day, time and link to it. Bet you can't produce one.

You don't have to be mad at that guy, because he is smarter then you and actually knows what he is talking about tool.

You don't have to be mad at that guy, because he is smarter then you and actually knows what he is talking about tool.


Posted by: johnny doe | May 5, 2016 2:25:10 PM

He is smarter than me, LOL. I saved his job a few years ago. But I can understand a sheep like you would think the world of him.

I agree with this quote from the Detroit News. This combo is unbeatable now.......

“When you combine the (new engine and transmission), it creates a powertrain combination that’s truly an unbeatable combination in this segment,” said Kevin Norris, manager of the 10-speed transmission systems. “It’s not about efficiency or performance. It’s about efficiency and performance.”

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However, I'll still interested in hearing what is happening with the V8 and other F-150s. When will the other F-150s get the 10 speed. When will the F-150 have an all 10 speed lineup? Are they still sticking with the 6 speed for awhile? I was hoping PUTC was delaying this story because they were digging up new info but Bragman got nothing!

I believe the city you live in offers free $hit clean up for your driveway.

Posted by: Frank | May 5, 2016 2:25:08 PM

Funny you should say that, the guy that pretty lives much next door had a yard full of junk Fords, probably 25 or so and the township came and hauled it all way last year LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@johnnydill, like we used to tell big al before he was thrown out, why do you always talk trash about ford, my suggestion would be actually go drive one, own one then make a good opinion on them, and you and the other person who uses different names, never can actually tell us about your precious GM, only what you dont like about Ford, with everything you dont like about Ford, how do you like GM, remember they are the ones who eventually copy ford anyway, so from now on when you complain about Ford, we'll just assume you mean GM, since they will be doing the same things as Ford years from now anyway....

johnny doe and Michigan Bob,
Your comments are over the top now. It used to be fun discussing the topics with you, but I just skip over your comments now. Try to stay on topic and talk about the issues. The insult only posts are so boring.

No Comment with date, time, and link yet? Yeah thought so, you so full of dog crap its running out your ears. Maybe before you post something, make sure its true tool!

What kind of idiotic reporting is this: "New from the ground up, it's been developed in a joint venture with GM, but don't expect it to share much in terms of gear ratios or tuning with a Chevrolet Silverado, where it's likely to be a nine-speed. The 10-speed maintains almost the same dimensions as Ford's six-speed automatic, but it will provide better acceleration and performance thanks to a few key design features."

GM is developing a transverse mount 9 speed for cars with Ford. Ford developed the RWD truck transmission which happens to ne a 10 speed. So either pickuptrucks.com knows something the entire world doesn't or the goofy comment about this transmission magically turning into a 9 speed is someone talking about something they know nothing about.

@Dave z

I believe Ford will have the 10 SPD across the F150 line for 2018. I fully expect that the 2.7 will have the Dual Injection as well. I don't expect much change to the 5.0 or Base 3.5 except the new 10 SPD. However I do expect a diesel as well.

Boy that was a fast change. lol

No Comment with date, time, and link yet? Yeah thought so, you so full of dog crap its running out your ears. Maybe before you post something, make sure its true tool!


Posted by: johnny doe | May 5, 2016 2:34:34 PM

No I am not giving you thise details. Not that kind of public info

More conflict of interest with Ford and this site...
Posted by: ooxxii | May 5, 2016 10:22:45 AM

If there was an interest by Ford in this site why did they wait 3 days to do the story? It's a pretty important one. And the guy who wrote it blew it. I don't even think they went to the event in Detroit like TFL did. Stop with your little "Ford site" comment in every Ford post and start talking issues. It is not smart and makes you look jealous or something.

Looks like Johnny dumb dumb a is a fat child. Everything is Internet to him.

Dave Z. I am on topic, I was talking about the Eco boost engines, which this story is about. Two clowns are trying to change the subject with me though. Maybe you should go give them a lecture about staying on topic.

No moron doe, you are trying to state false info again.

The topic was fine till you showed up moron doe

Hmmm, look what time it was when moron doe showed up. Just when school let out.

This new 3.5 liter is just like the GM LGX. They replaced the old motor because they need a higher efficiency motor. Generating power is easy...add more fuel and add more air. A more efficient motor is harder. Use materials that don't change shape, lower friction, lighter weight...etc There's also design features that are on the roadmap for a given version of a motor. The old EB pretty much hit most of those. So the new block has all the right bits in the right places. I bet the new block was designed for electric actuated valvetrain as well. Time will tell.

Also EB motors are great in that they can achieve great fuel economy and provide tremendous amounts of power when needed. But they are not so great at sustaining that power while at high efficiency. This is something that larger gas motors and diesel still do better. So I doubt we'll see a SD EB motor. But I would not be surprised with the new 3.0 liter diesel is stuffed into the F150 at some point.

It's okay we all know you lied and can't produce said claimed comment where you "Like I told you before" about that guy. I gave you a link with time, and dateAbout buying my 2014 Sliverado truck a while back when you asked. It's okay now everyone know your full of crap!

Johnny D. Ma the Meatloaf.

Welfare doe, you have to remember I can care less what you think. You could get but rapedd by a goat till your dead and I will not care. Yes I will laugh quite a bit, but could care less.

".@johnnydill, like we used to tell big al before he was thrown out, why do you always talk trash about ford, my suggestion would be actually go drive one, own one then make a good opinion on them, and you and the other person who uses different names, never can actually tell us about your precious GM,"
Posted by: Nitro | May 5, 2016 2:29:43 PM

I've own two and my father has one and I drove em as I said many of time special ed nut case. I even talk about the very few problems that I've had with my GM trucks. I only use this name as I said many of times. I give Mark Williams my full permission to prove this to you.

You must care, you stay up all night posting back to me half the time tool! LMMAO!!!!!!!!! I think its funny you got caught making stuff up and now your try to save face HAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyways no more off topic reapplies to idiot's from this point forward in this story from me, I stated my place, so Dave doesn't wet diaper and more. I'll just watch the Ford clowns run all the off topic comments some more.

You wish I was making things up welfare doe. But least your done posting.

Ok johnny dope boy. you made your point. Ecoboost is terrible. Blah blah blah. Nobody wants to hear what you have to say now.

Only done posting to off topic crap you bring up to hide the fact that your liar and really don't have a clue about what you are talking about LOL!!!!!!

This new 3.5 eco boost will be replace in short order like the old one, because it will be full of unfixable problems like the old one.

Only done posting to off topic crap you bring up to hide the fact that your liar and really don't have a clue about what you are talking about LOL!!!!!!

This new 3.5 eco boost will be replace in short order like the old one, because it will be full of unfixable problems like the old one.


Posted by: johnny doe | May 5, 2016 3:11:01 PM

That's fine, we get it. For Sanitary sake, please call the city to pick up all $hit currently laying in your driveway.

Come up with something original, that's my line, oh wait you copy everything just like GM does Ford.

Jealous GMers wearing out their keyboards with nonsense.

Be sure to check those control arm welds for cracks, HAHAHAHA!!!!

^ two off topic comments above some one call the PUTC cops.

Don't you feel like a stooge, a loser cause you just went out and bought a new 2016 F-150 now knowing this?
You should have waited !

«Much more detailed information on the second gen 3.5l GTDI engine that is coming to an F-150 near you! With these changes I can now seriously consider getting a new F-150 with the 3.5l Ecoboost.»

https://www.facebook.com/FordTechMakuloco/posts/955972737850349

Back on topic, the intercooler issue was resolved in 2014. Timing chains taken care of in 14 or 15. 2017 power upgrades.

So many of you have no clue. STOP looking at Peak numbers! Look under the curve. In a truck you want a flat torque cure that comes in low. GM can have that 6.2L, it's car motor stuck in a truck. I'd rather tow with a motor (3.5) that produces enough torque to run between 2500-3000RPMS than spinning at 4000RPMS + in a 6.2L.

Although the article is interesting, I do think it may have been poorly researched. As others have pointed out, the GM 6.2 is already rated at 460lb-ft of torque. GM has its version of this transmission (10 spd) ready to go in the 2017 ZL1 Camaro.
To another poster's comment- I highly doubt GM will go away from Allison transmissions in their HD trucks. I would be willing to bet that emission regs and CAFE standards have more to do with the relatively short life of the original EB platform than potential output/durability issues.

It be interesting if they offered this engine in the new Ranger. That would make for one powerful midsize truck.

Ford guys complained when the current GMT's came out that GM didn't go far enough by using the same displacements.

^ two off topic comments above some one call the PUTC cops.


Posted by: johnny doe | May 5, 2016 3:19:54 PM

That's right B!t$h, you got schooled, put your helmet on.

Old Fashion 6.2L outdated Tech, that's cool, it's like watching TV on an old 60 inch Sony Big Screen.

On the other Hand, the Ford 3.5L Ecoboost is like watching a 60 inch LCD LED Smart TV.

Posted by: Frank | May 5, 2016 12:04:11 PM

The so called ecobust is like listening to an old am radio with a blown speaker.

On the other hand, the high tech 6.2 is like listen to a 5.1 surround sound , without the need of speakers.

Old Fashion 6.2L outdated Tech, that's cool, it's like watching TV on an old 60 inch Sony Big Screen.

On the other Hand, the Ford 3.5L Ecoboost is like watching a 60 inch LCD LED Smart TV.

Posted by: Frank | May 5, 2016 12:04:11 PM

The so called ecobust is like listening to an old am radio with a blown speaker.

On the other hand, the high tech 6.2 is like listen to a 5.1 surround sound , without the need of speakers.


Posted by: GMSRGREAT | May 5, 2016 5:13:24 PM

Stop trying to copy my analogies, make up your own and stop trying to copy as GM does to Ford.

Damn Dolt!!! Effen B!$$H

My comment was funny, yours are LAME!!!! GTFO...go get an education.

The so called ecobust is like listening to an old am radio with a blown speaker.

On the other hand, the high tech 6.2 is like listen to a 5.1 surround sound , without the need of speakers.


Posted by: GMSRGREAT | May 5, 2016 5:13:24 PM

haha 5.1 is so 80s. I prefer 7.1 on a high def projector. Kinda like a 2017 F150 with the new refreshed 3.5L GTDI. But it is good know that you feel chubby is some sort of surround sound.

So many of you have no clue. STOP looking at Peak numbers! Look under the curve. In a truck you want a flat torque cure that comes in low. GM can have that 6.2L, it's car motor stuck in a truck. I'd rather tow with a motor (3.5) that produces enough torque to run between 2500-3000RPMS than spinning at 4000RPMS + in a 6.2L.


Posted by: BLOWBYU | May 5, 2016 4:31:19 PM

That is one reason a buddy of mine got rid of his chevy truck. It was a decent truck but it did not tow that great. He now has a F150 with the 3.5L and keeps it in 5th gear for the most part and with his gear ratio it is just under 2000 RPMs. The chevy stayed around 3K. Plus Ford has a big advantage in the transmission calibration and you can manually lock in and hold a gear you want. Chevy you can lock out gears to not go into but not lock that specific gear in place. Guys that actually tow things and not have poser trucks really appreciate that kind of feature. Heck even my 2.0L Escape can do that.

Not a Ford fan but this thing is going to fly, take off a few tenths of a second 0-60...better gas mileage etc...

Going to be a rocket, not like the current one isn't, or any new truck, they all are rockets !
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Too bad Ford went 6 cyl and turbo, well the 5.0 is still around, my buddy bought one with the 5.0 as he like me no likey V-6 and 4 bangers...But the 3.5 e'boost is going to haul serious butt !

Going to take one of these for a ride...

FORD & GM GUYS/GALS READ....


Ford & GM share this transmission...So,in the future when you butt heads say GM sucks Ford is better and Ford sucks gM is better and your trucks transmission sucks,well GM & Ford are the same..same driveline lol...

Ford/GM same transmission,pretty soon same engines and frames next 10 years you will see this.

I heard they gave a new name to Chrysler's NEW ZF Transmissions.

They now call it.

"Something is wrong with the Transmission"

@ Freaky Franky : I didn't copy your analogies, I created my own, just like anyone is allowed to do. However, my analogy was more " in tune " with the reality of the sounds created by both engines. Yours, on the other hand, was a figment of your imagination.


@Clint - the biggest GM/Chev dealer in my region has at least 100 pickups on the lot at any time. They have 2-4 6.2's on the lot at any time. The interesting thing I have noticed is now that the 5.3 can be ordered with the 8 speed that number has dropped to maybe 1-2 on average. If anecdotally my numbers apply to GM's fleet that would mean at best 4% of GM's 1/2 tons have the 6.2.
Ford on the other hand has over 1/2 of their F150's with the EB 3.5. it is to the point where the 5.0 is the rare motor in Ford's lineup.

haha 5.1 is so 80s. I prefer 7.1 on a high def projector. Kinda like a 2017 F150 with the new refreshed 3.5L GTDI. But it is good know that you feel chubby is some sort of surround sound.

Posted by: LMAO | May 5, 2016 5:31:37 PM

Haha! You know me, i'm so modest. Yes, the 6.2 is at least 5.1 .

@Mark49 - "Although the article is interesting, I do think it may have been poorly researched."

Welcome to PUTC.

They don't research, they just regurgitate press releases from the manufacturers.

That is how they keep the gravy train going. You do what the manufacturers let you do in exchange for access to the corporate test fleet.



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