Chevy Fires Another Shot at Ford's Aluminum F-150

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By Aaron Bragman

The latest salvo in the Chevrolet versus Ford pickup truck battle has been fired by Chevy, and it's a big one. Chevrolet claims that while performing standard benchmark performance testing, in which the company puts competitor vehicles through the same tests as its own trucks to determine how they perform, it discovered that the stamped aluminum used for the 2016 F-150's bed was susceptible to damage from dropped items. GM engineers documented how the Ford's stamped aluminum bed was much more likely to be punctured when a special 17-pound wedge, simulating a pointed load, was dropped onto it than the Silverado 1500's roll-formed high-strength steel bed. While the 2016 Silverado 1500's bed remained intact at up to 90 joules of energy, the F-150's bed showed damage at 30 joules; the wedge created holes at 40 joules.

Smelling blood, Chevrolet then produced a series of tests that it says simulate real-world conditions that truck owners might encounter. One involved dropping a load of 55 landscaping blocks weighing about 825 pounds into the beds of both the Silverado and the F-150 from 5 feet above the bed to simulate receiving a load from a skid loader at a job site. In 12 trials that were recorded by video, Chevy says that the Silverado received only minor scratches and dents, while the F-150's bed was punctured every time, on the order of 4.3 punctures per trial. A second test was much more mundane and frankly a little more believable — it simulated a 32-pound empty steel Snap-On toolbox accidentally sliding off the truck bed's side rail and into the bed. In that test, the Silverado was dented 12 out of 14 times, and received "pinhole" punctures in two trials. The F-150 bed floor was dented once and punctured 13 times during the toolbox test.

Chevrolet is presenting the findings as an unusually long two-minute advertisement airing on ESPN, with shorter 30- and 60-second spots to follow. The company claims that it isn't taking a swipe at the Ford F-150 or the use of aluminum, merely pointing out a competitive advantage for customers to keep in mind, but that's clearly not the case. Chevrolet marketing claims that it is simply looking out for consumers' interests. Ford's reply to the new advertisement has been to call the testing a "marketing stunt."

GM has been mum on exactly what its next-generation full-size pickups will use for lighter weight materials, but a recent event outlining the company's efforts in that regard have pointed to a more measured, targeted approach in the use of lightweight materials. Unlike Ford's "aluminum everything" approach, GM has made concerted efforts across all of its new vehicles to strategically use a variety of materials, including aluminum, high-strength steel, magnesium and composite plastics. It seems safe to say, however, that it doesn't look like Chevy will be using an aluminum bed floor anytime soon.

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Comments

If all you GM trvlls are worried about Ford's Aluminum.

PLEASE DO NOT FLY ON A PLANE TO ANOTHER STATE or COUNTRY.

You all eat crow.


Posted by: Frank | Jun 9, 2016 6:07:30 PM


Hey Frank
I'm Not worried to fly anywhere. Those planes are NOT designed and built by ford with their mythtical military grade junk. LOL

Their marketers started pushing the tag line "military grade" because of it's subliminal effect. You hear "military grade" and assume Ford is using some kind of classified military metal used to make armor or something. In reality, they're using 5000 and 6000 series (T-81/T-82) alloys that are readily available from Alcoa and Novelis. 6061-T6 is a 6000 series and it's probably the most common form of aluminum used in the US.

Shelby Facts:

All 2015-16-17 Shelby GT350 from bumper to bumper complete cars are built & assemble by Ford at there Flatrock Mich plant. Shelby American in Vegas doesnot have anything to do with the GT350 cars.


My 8 years old Silvy has been trouble free all this time!!

Wouldnt even consider buying beer can that can be punctured with a simple Toolbox LOLLOL

Posted by: Chevrolet builds a better way to see the USA | Jun 9, 2016 7:01:50 PM

That's because you never drive it. You are just spraying down the frame to keep up on the rust. You also are trying to preserve this truck because it is the only one that gets the mythical 26mpg that you have claimed. Sorry but you have been proved a liar on many occasions.


It has been entertaining skimming over this thread watching all the little gm fangirls go nuts with a gm propaganda video. gm has a long history of trying these methods and they have not worked for them so far. Looks like they are really hurting for money with all their vehicle lines and the expense involved they are continuing their fire sale along with a huge media flood to try and move more product. But at least the fan girls here are brainwashed.


Shelby Facts:

All 2015-16-17 Shelby GT350 from bumper to bumper complete cars are built & assemble by Ford at there Flatrock Mich plant. Shelby American in Vegas doesnot have anything to do with the GT350 cars.

Posted by: blueman | Jun 9, 2016 7:26:50 PM

Add the Gt 500's to that list also. They have been all Ford built. Now when Carrol was alive they did give him some seat time in the GT500. There were some older Ford Mustang GT's that went to Shelby for some minor bolt on's and a signature plate. They were pretty lame.

Yep, a sure sign GOVT motors are hurting again & will probably beg again soon for another GOVT handout.

Personally, I hope this doesn't occur as we/tax payers lost out over 11 billion with the last fiasco bailout...


Yep, a sure sign GOVT motors are hurting again & will probably beg again soon for another GOVT handout.

Personally, I hope this doesn't occur as we/tax payers lost out over 11 billion with the last fiasco bailout...
Posted by: Lionel | Jun 9, 2016 7:45:16 PM

Wrong again Lionel!

http://www.autonews.com/article/20160607/OEM01/160609901/barra-says-undervalued-gm-can-sustain-profit-long-term

Yep - declarations from the same Ms. Barra who joined GOVT motors Jan '14 when shares were approx 1,676m outstanding with a price of $40.95 per/calculated accompanying Market Cap of about $68BN.

Today, GOVT motors stock price under $30/share and a market cap of $45BN. Somewhere in there - they still owe us taxpayers over 11 billion...

Ford can be proud of their achievements & although sold less vehicles overall, they were far more profitable than GOVT motors....ouch!!

Lionel how come Ford is below Jeep and Chrysler in JD Powers 3 year dependability study? On the Ram recall story you kept telling us Jeeps and Chrysler where very bad.

http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/2016-us-vehicle-dependability-study-vds

How will you try to snake you're way of this? HAHA!

Generic Motors desperate ad to sell their trucks. Bunch of LOSERS! FORD trucks are the best in every category. Generic Motors will always be No.2

I have to admit, this really surprised me--I had no idea that the actual bed was made out of aluminum?!

I had no problem with Ford having an aluminum cab, fenders, etc, but for the actually bed, that is just stupid.

Steel has give; aluminum, well, just breaks and creates holes... .


Posted by: Dav | Jun 8, 2016 10:52:32 PM

Again.....if you are worried about aluminum don't get on a plane. It's probably been flying for the last 20 years,at least. All that flexing, rusting,corrosion,extreme heat and cold.Why, oh why, did they not use steel instead?..... Stupid avionic engineers. What were they thinking about? (sarc)


Yep, I confirmed all the issues experienced with Chrysler/Jeep/RAM products are from 1st hand experience & currently still dealing with it unfortunately to help out family/friends. I'm unlike you that hides behind multi-identities on this site to criticize/pull up whatever you can far back pinto days to knock Ford.

By the way, it's common knowledge Ford's issues with their Sync apparatus from last 3-4 yrs has hurt their overall reliability ratings. The new updated Sync is getting rave reviews & will certainly help turn the tide.

Meanwhile I look forward when you eat crow again with your buddies when July sales come out & Ford kicking GOVT motors butt again...heh heh

Also it's not all about electrical doo dads(Sync) you should read the whole study, either way if someone owns or buys a 2013 Jeep or Chrysler. They are likely to have less problems than people with 2013 Fords.

HEMI V8: are you kidding me?!! We are laughing out LOUD to all the GOVT motor cry babies out there & RAM;...well they are even more pathetic with the worst safety crash tests ever...

Continue the jealous rants but let the numbers do the talking - ha!...you're eat crow again when July sales come out...LOL

I would actually like to see the beds, rocker panels, and fender lips made out of plastic particularly something similar to the Rhino bed liner. Use aluminum in the hoods, doors, roofs, and tail gates. Continue to make steel frames but after putting a rust proof dip on them, dip the frame in Rhino material. Make the fenders out of xenoy but have a steel cage around the passenger compartment. I don't think having an all aluminum or an all steel body and bed is ideal, but having a combination of materials as stated above would be lighter and better. Aluminum does not rust but it can corrode especially if it comes in contact with certain chemicals which is more important if you live in a cold climate where they treat snow and ice on roads with other chemical such as beet juice in addition to salt. Corrosion is less of a problem in states with drier and warmer climates.

Shady, you completely missed the point. (Altho I should know by now that the fanboys never will get it). Why do you immediately resort to name calling when presented with information that is too deep for you. Let me explain again. What I'm saying is that based on the successful use of aluminum in commercial transportation industries I see no reason why it can't and shouldn't be used for automobiles which generally see a much easier life than a class 8 truck.

I don't have experience with either of these pickups and so it's entirely possible that GM does have a stronger bed floor than Ford. But I remain skeptical until I see third party test results. @Roadwhale, I would love to see a third party durability test. Sadly it doesn't seem likely to happen. Until then, we can only go off of biased manufacturer marketing videos. I mean, there are so many ways to rig a test like this. ANY time ANY manufacturer spits out this sort of video, red flags go up. Just my 2 cents.

I haul coal and limestone , shale, 2B size in my 2013 F-150, and they do dump it into my bed high with a front end loader. but I have a plastic bed liner. I am concerned about this and will NEVER consider a new F-150 after watching this video

@Jeff S

One size does not fit all. I've been "loud" about FE because my driving--less than 12k per yr-- is much less impacted by it. I don't particularly want to pay a lot extra for some exotic drive train tech that only saves me a few hundred bucks per year.

Dropping crushed rock into a half-ton truck bed falls outside of the daily experience for the majority of these trucks we see on the roads. Trust me on this.

It's a question worth considering because Detroit can make a truck that will withstand that sort of use (abuse?) but are you willing to pay for that feature if your daily use of a truck bed does NOT include crushed rock?

Instead offer a heavy duty bed option.

Ditto for enhanced corrosion resistance. Option.

Lionel how come Ford is below Jeep and Chrysler in JD Powers 3 year dependability study? On the Ram recall story you kept telling us Jeeps and Chrysler where very bad.
http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/2016-us-vehicle-dependability-study-vds

How will you try to snake you're way of this? HAHA!

Posted by: johnny doe | Jun 9, 2016 8:58:52 PM

Who actually looks at JD powers. Their sampling is very low. Consumer reports has more samples per car than JD powers has over all cars. CR ranks fiat and GM below Ford with ano extremely higher reliability same rate.

CR ranks fiat and GM below Ford with an extremely higher reliability sample rate per car.

Its ok Chevy.

Ford will just continue to beat you in every way.

Chevy can have the "best bed puncture resistance for incidents caused by stupidity in class".

And Ford will still have never gone bankrupt, and the F series will continue to outsell chevy and chevy will have aluminum beds in a few years too... Unless they make the leap to composite.

In the mean time anyone up for a corrosion test between steel and aluminum? You know like when the paint goes away for any one of a million real world reasons/incidents?

Don't forget Clint, the all aluminum F150 has a higher IIHS crash test rating than the all steel chivy. I still don't know why chivy does not have that commercial with real people and not actors. What truck would you guys want to be in during an offset crash.

I also find it funny some here say they dump sand, stone, pebbles, etc in the bed of their trucks. That stuff has no where near the weight density as landscaping blocks. I also don't know who would be dumping landscaping blocks in the back of a pickup truck unless they want landscaping rubble. Again, nothing more than chivy backing up their continued fire sale with a media bash.

You know like when the paint goes away for any one of a million real world reasons/incidents?

Posted by: Clint | Jun 10, 2016 6:05:31 AM

Speaking of paint going away. Did you notice how much of it was missing inside the FORD bed after the stones were cleared. Look for loads of missing paint on you Exterior box panels in a couple of years if the vehicle gets used for more than just a grocery cart' In fact, most of the damage may come from grocery carts. Once a scratch occurs exposing the bar aluminum, corrosion set in and the paint just flakes off exposing more bare aluminum. This happens at a faster rate than when steel is scratched. This is due to how quickly aluminum oxide forms on the exposed surfaces. You will notice how a stone chip just turns to a white mushroom , and increasing as the vehicle becomes exposed to moisture and salt.

@papa jim--plastic is easier to mold and gives significant weight reduction. From what I have read about the next generation of full size GM trucks they will be made out of a composite of different types of materials. Toyota has been using composite beds in the Tacoma for years and it is virtually indestructible. Much easier to mold plastic parts than to forge them from steel or aluminum. I have a GM bed liner in my S-10 for over 17 years and a bed liner in my 85 Mitsubishi Mighty Max for over 14 years, both were easy to maintain and held up well to hauling stone, gravel, pavers, dirt, sand, lumber, drywall, scrap metal, appliances, riding mowers, and a host of other things that would scratch and tear up any truck bed regardless of it being aluminum or steel. A lot less expense to manufacture as part of the bed than to install aftermarket.

GM has being using aluminum since the late 70's on hoods and trunk lids on their downsized full size and midsize cars. Using lighter material in combination with steel has been used on most vehicles since the 70's mainly to reduce weight and save costs. The plastics available today are very durable and much less costly when you include inflation over the past decades.

Speaking of paint going away. Did you notice how much of it was missing inside the FORD bed after the stones were cleared. Look for loads of missing paint on you Exterior box panels in a couple of years if the vehicle gets used for more than just a grocery cart' In fact, most of the damage may come from grocery carts. Once a scratch occurs exposing the bar aluminum, corrosion set in and the paint just flakes off exposing more bare aluminum. This happens at a faster rate than when steel is scratched. This is due to how quickly aluminum oxide forms on the exposed surfaces. You will notice how a stone chip just turns to a white mushroom , and increasing as the vehicle becomes exposed to moisture and salt.


Posted by: GMSRGREAT | Jun 10, 2016 7:30:26 AM

Exactly. Did you notice through the blurry pictures the GM paint? Looms to be another propaganda movie from GM. Paint still comes of really easy no matter what brand. If you don't believe me, take a video doing the same in your truck. Don't worry, your paint will be just fine.

Toyota has been using composite beds in the Tacoma for years and it is virtually indestructible.

Posted by: Jeff S | Jun 10, 2016 7:47:22 AM

GM already produced a composite bed and offered it as an option on , I believe it was, 2001 and 2002 model years GMT800 trucks. I saw the results of testing done on this box and it was one tough piece. It would have easily held up against the tests in this video. The lower bed panel was a thick composite material that looked like a built in bed liner. The body panels were impact resistent like the panels on the Saturun vehicles.

Posted by: Clint | Jun 9, 2016 6:24:02 AM
The moral of this story? Well if you don't know jack about metal you now know that steel is stronger than aluminum. You also know its unwise to be unwise and careless. Also steel rusts and is heavier than aluminum and F150 is still outselling the Silverado and Sierra combined.

Clint where does it say in Sales F150....outsells......nowhere....its says F Series. Is that F150 ???? or all 250's/350's/450's. Ever wonder why it says F Series?

Did you notice through the blurry pictures the GM paint? Looms to be another propaganda movie from GM. Paint still comes of really easy no matter what brand. If you don't believe me, take a video doing the same in your truck. Don't worry, your paint will be just fine.

Posted by: LMAO | Jun 10, 2016 8:00:30 AM

@LAMO : I rechecked the pictures, there is no blurriness. What you Ford guys are mistaking as blurriness is called disbelief. You can't believe how much damage the Ford bed suffered and how little the Chevy bed received. The Chevy bed picture may look blurred to some of you because there is less damage to focus on. Of course, it may be an early sign that you are becoming an old Ford fart.
Oh when it comes to propaganda, Ford has got a lock on that one.

Clint don't know Jack. Lol lol

Ok GMsNOTSOGREAT, take a video doing the same to your truck. The paint is so strong you have nothing to worry about. It is much more believable coming from a source other than from gm.

Ok GMsNOTSOGREAT, take a video doing the same to your truck. The paint is so strong you have nothing to worry about. It is much more believable coming from a source other than from gm.

Posted by: LMAO | Jun 10, 2016 8:58:24 AM

Well i'm flattered that you view me as a reliable source, however, since you suggested it, do your lightning first, after all it has the steel bed, nothing to worry about. Right?

Well i'm flattered that you view me as a reliable source, however, since you suggested it, do your lightning first, after all it has the steel bed, nothing to worry about. Right?


Posted by: GMSRGREAT | Jun 10, 2016 9:11:12 AM

Nopeople, i know the limitations of Ford paint. You claim GM is much better I am looking to you to prove it. Youtube video is just fine.

@GMSRGREAT--I have always had a bed liner in my trucks. If I get another truck at some point I might go with the Rhino or Line X if it doesn't have a liner. Rust is a big issue where I live and the beds and rocker panels are the first body parts to get rust. I have had the rocker panel below on my 99 extended cab S-10 replaced on both sides and I have a rust bubble on the driver's side of the extended cab panel. No other rust on the truck. I was thinking of having the rust repaired again but then having Rhino or similar material sprayed on the outside and inside of both rocker panels. I don't care if it is black since the truck is pewter with black stone guards and trim. The truck looks and runs new with the original paint which I poly seal twice a year. When the weather permits I use my Honda powered power washer and was the body and the under carriage. I hate to let this rust go because it is a great little truck and most people think it is 10 years newer than it is (has 108k miles with a 2.2 I4 and 5 speed manual and I am the original owner

Hahahahaha that is the latest update for reliability. Face it, ford trucks suck. Your F150 really sucks. Ford cars sucks, your ford suv really sucks. People are still having mass problems with that ford pos. Sorry but your brand just sucks.

http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/2016-us-vehicle-dependability-study-vds

Posted by: RAM | Jun 10, 2016 9:10:35 AM

Ford has fallen from 27th spot to 30th. That's a Military drop of 3 positions on the list from the last report. Oh dear!

Hahahahaha that is the latest update for reliability. Face it, ford trucks suck. Your F150 really sucks. Ford cars sucks, your ford suv really sucks. People are still having mass problems with that ford pos. Sorry but your brand just sucks.


http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/2016-us-vehicle-dependability-study-vds


Posted by: RAM | Jun 10, 2016 9:10:35 AM


Hahahahaha that study is based on less total vehicles that Fiat sells trucks in one month. That is funny. Try CR where they get data from a single vehicle that JD gets for all vehicles.

Nopeople, i know the limitations of Ford paint. You claim GM is much better I am looking to you to prove it. Youtube video is just fine.

Posted by: LMAO | Jun 10, 2016 9:13:38 AM

OK, here is you videos. All you have to do is visualize my Silversdo having the blocks dropped into the box as in these videos. And there you have it.

https://youtu.be/MnZFX3HyJ28

https://youtu.be/RfpuMDqHjoo

https://youtu.be/2-xbFqZpyaw


I particularly enjoyed the last video, thand you for suggesting YouTube LAMO.

I did not watch more than 30 seconds of the 3rd video to see an issue. Why is there a ton of block marks and dust in the F150 bed and the Silverado is totally clean? Does chevy install a self cleaning service with quick paint repair with every truck? Propaganda? I think so. Like I said before, I don't trust any manufacture videos. They show what they want them to show. Let's see real world, come on GMsNOTSOGREAT, let's do it on your truck. Send me your PayPal info, I will pay for the landscaping stone for you. Just send me the receipt.

@Jeff S : I personally prefer drop in box liner vs spray in . Those drop in units are Uber tough. A little tip, apply small strips of canopy tape to the bed before installing the drop in liner. This actually prevents the liner from contacting the painted bed. Pull out the liner in a couple months , inspect for contact with paint, repair if necessary and place the canopy tape over the area. From that point on your good.

Some tips to control rust.
1. Every spring, wash underside and flush and scrub all debris fromy inside wheel wells, and allow to dry.
2. Coat the inner lips and pinch welds with white lithium grease. If you have surface rust on the underside bodypanels, remove the loose rust and coat with the grease. Use a product called "rust check" to spray into areas that are difficult to reach.
3. Remove those rubber plugs in underside door sills, flush with water and spray into the body with rust check.
4. Use rust check inside fenders also, anywhere really except for interior , engine or exhaust. Those tips work .

Ford has to do something. I have a 2010 F150 XTR that is rusting out beyond belief. I'm sure as heck not buying another Ford in my lifetime. Over $4,000 to replace rocker panels, door frames and other places that are completely rusted out. And Ford says there's nothing they can do to help out with the cost. Utterly disgusted with Ford.

I looked at a new Ford, was not impressed, the sheet metal was wavy and on a 60K truck they don't even have wheel well liners in the back, it's all wide open.

What a joke. Newer trucks already had a problem with easily denting thin steel body panels but now you can push holes right through without much effort. God help you if you slam on the brakes with a digging bar or rebar in the bed, it'll end up in your back.

If you actually use your truck for work like I do, take a look at all the dents and dings you acquired from normal use and imagine how much worse they will be with a weaker material. Yeah, aluminum is lighter and will give you a slight gain in fuel economy but the benefits end there. It's more expensive to buy and repair, it corrodes, and it's less durable than steel. Any talk otherwise is being willfully ignorant of the fact that Ford pushed a product of inferior performance for a gain in fuel economy and bragging rights.

Thanks, I will try those tips. I bought the truck new in April of 1999 and it has been very reliable. I bought a new truck 8 years ago and was offered 3k for my S-10 which at the time had 82k miles. I decided to keep it and I am glad I did. Great little truck and shows no signs of age except the the rust on the rocker panel. Most people think I have had it repainted but it is the original paint.

I did not watch more than 30 seconds....

Posted by: LMAO | Jun 10, 2016 9:59:52

That's understandable. I can't imagine how difficult it is for a Ford fan to view those videos. If you need to talk to someone, there is professional help available. Heck, the costs may even be covered through your employers benefit package.

Thanks, I will try those tips. I bought the truck new in April of 1999 and it has been very reliable. I bought a new truck 8 years ago and was offered 3k for my S-10 which at the time had 82k miles. I decided to keep it and I am glad I did. Great little truck and shows no signs of age except the the rust on the rocker panel. Most people think I have had it repainted but it is the original paint.

Posted by: Jeff S | Jun 10, 2016 11:17:58 AM

The key to rust control is to have an active barrier between your trucks metal surfaces and natures elements. Rust check has worked fantastic for me. I don't just keep vehicles for several years, I keep vehicles for decades, that's how I know it works.

Does anyone here really believe that dropping rocks or a toolbox on the Ford's aluminum bed would put major dents or holes in the bed? If that really happened, we'd be hearing it frequently on the nightly news and magazines and Ford's sales would plummet. Instead, Ford's sales are increasing while the competition is decreasing. Wake up, GM, you got caught with your pants down yet again.

As for the "gentleman" who thought the comment about no rust on an aluminum tailgate was a "stupid" comment.... get out your google and do a little research. Every male who has done any kind of handiwork knows that aluminum does not rust. That's taught in high school, for crying out loud.

Hahahahaha that study is based on less total vehicles that Fiat sells trucks in one month. That is funny. Try CR where they get data from a single vehicle that JD gets for all vehicles.


Posted by: LMAO | Jun 10, 2016 9:18:04 AM

Lucky ford. They picked the better ones. If based on more samples, ford would need to be closed by Feds.

I'm a die hard ford guy, but I've got to admit this is pretty disappointing. I would still buy the ford any way.I'm sure ford will stouten this bed floor up in near future. MILITARY GRADE!!!!! Wooooooooh!!!!!!

Ford made a huge mistake in here. They choose exactly same aluminium for the cabin panels, like for the bed, with exactly same properties, because of simple recycling program and reusing scrap aluminium again, without sorting out different grades. They saved money, but customers suffers . If proper aluminium used and treated, it would be millspecs and bullet proof.
But because it's just military grade, it has been used in the kitchen for spoons and trays like rest of the body.
Apparently, it's good enough for fleets and many customers for now, but this will backfire badly for ford.I can't imagine how those mining companies were testing this pos.

Lucky ford. They picked the better ones. If based on more samples, ford would need to be closed by Feds.


Posted by: RAM | Jun 10, 2016 11:36:59 AM

Based on more samples? Are you just brain dead? CR,s sample rating per vehicle is higher than JD's complate sample number for all makes combined. I would trust a much higher same rate any day over just a few. You are lucky fiat is still around for all the stuff they have been hiding. Last I knew fiat holds the class leading government fine price for hiding failures, injuries and death.

CR is a annual study, meaning only 1 year old. JD Powers covers 3 years old. So the longer you own a Ford the more problems you will run into at a faster rate then any body else other then the dodge brand. The older your Ford gets it becomes less reliable faster. Not many people own a vehicle for only one year. Build Furd trough for 12 months only HAHAHA!



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