2017 Ford Super Duty Boosts Power, Payload and Towing
It's almost as predictable as the sunrise: The debut of a new heavy-duty pickup truck in the U.S. market means a reset on max towing, max payload and max torque.
Not long from now, we'll be driving several trim levels of the all-new 2017 Ford Super Duty, and just ahead of the first media drive, Ford has announced the truck's power and performance numbers, so here they are:
Max Towing
The 2017 Ford F-450 SuperCrew dualie, when equipped with a gooseneck hitch, will tow 32,500 pounds, 1,290 pounds more than the previous HD champ, the Ram 3500 at 31,210 pounds.
The max rating for the F-450 equipped with a fifth-wheel hitch will be 27,500 pounds, and with a conventional bumper hitch setup the max rating will be 21,000 pounds — several thousand pounds better than its previous limits.
The maximum gross combined weight rating — meaning the combined weight of a trailer, the pickup and cargo, including passengers — is now 41,800 pounds, or about half the normal capability of a long-haul semi-truck.
Max Payload
As you might expect, payload numbers are up across the board as well, with the maximum weight-carrying capacity, depending on trim and configuration, of an F-350 right at 7,630 pounds, with the F-250 capacity maxed out at 4,200 pounds.
Max Power
Both available engines (the 6.2-liter V-8 gas and 6.7-liter V-8 Power Stroke) will have new torque ratings as well, with the 6.7-liter diesel rated at 925 pounds-feet and the V-8 gas engine at 430 pounds-feet. Both engines will benefit from an improved and strengthened factory TorqShift six-speed transmission.
Super Duty Body
As a reminder, the all-new Super Duty will use the same aluminum-body technology first seen on the 2015 F-150, creating similar weight-saving results. In fact, on many configurations, the cab for the F-150 and Super Duty will be nearly identical. However, where the F-150 primarily used the weight savings to increase fuel economy, the Super Duty put most of that saved weight right back into a stronger frame, suspension and axle.
We'll have more details, our drive impressions and a full set of videos after we drive this newest competitor in the full-size heavy-duty segment.
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Comments
NICE!!!!!!
Does it come with an air horn and CB radio?
I don't do any heavy duty towing or anything so this is a newby question. The one in the first picture is considered a fifth wheel and the second a goose-neck right? Why would the numbers be different between the two?
I don't do any heavy duty towing or anything so this is a newby question. The one in the first picture is considered a fifth wheel and the second a goose-neck right? Why would the numbers be different between the two?
Posted by: woopud | Jul 18, 2016 10:49:55 AM
a 5th wheel has a lower rating than a goose neck trailer. goose neck trailer tounges are built for heavier loads in these classes. obviously when you get into much bigger trailers they are only 5th wheels but much bigger. The hitch is in the same location for both.
Max power? where's the HP numbers!
Ford still sprinkling the magic spring dust I see. It this think even J2807 rated?
Why does Ford always have to jump up to a F450 class truck to try and beat Ram?
Pretty sad when Fords F450 barely beats a Ram 3500.
At least every Ram is J2807 certified and has been for a couple of years now.
Good job ford by giving class lead towing, payload, and power in the hd segment to the consumers.
Good job ford by giving class lead towing, payload, and power in the hd segment to the consumers.
Posted by: Scott | Jul 18, 2016 12:01:46 PM
and by doing it with a larger 4 door truck that can actually be useful. Something the fiat guys don't have with their micro size fiat with 2 doors and a bench seat. what good is all that towing if everyone else has to drive separate.
Ford Fairy Dust - they sprinkle it on their trucks when they need a better rating.
LMAO do you understand that if you put four, Five or six full size adults in that Ford the Tow/Load rating comes down big time?
The 6.7 powerstroke looks like a monster just based on the torque ratings, but I wonder if it will run with the current LML Duramax. Even with the Duramax being down on power, it puts this powerstroke to shame when it comes to actual real world performance. Even with the 350 pounds saved on the Super Duty (gained almost all the aluminum weight savings going to the fully boxed frame), it still weights more than the current Chevy HDs with the Duramax.
The current PS and Cummins have more power than the Duramax, yet they tow slower, and get worse fuel economy.
LMAO do you understand that if you put four, Five or six full size adults in that Ford the Tow/Load rating comes down big time?
Posted by: Ram Tough | Jul 18, 2016 12:15:10 PM
Ummmmmmm yes. Pretty much common sense. nice to know Ford owners have options though for heavy towing.
@Hemi,
The F-450 is a crewcab with 4WD for $54,460.00
The Ram Tradesman 3500 4x4 crewcab diesel with Aisin Tranny can be bought for $52,260.00
$2k difference with Ford having a major advantage in features and benefits.
Hemi, does that price include another car for everyone else to ride in and follow the truck?
Hemi, does that price include another car for everyone else to ride in and follow the truck?
Posted by: LMAO | Jul 18, 2016 12:41:01 PM
It's a crewcab RAM!
no its not Hemi. I priced out a 2 seater max tow fiat and it was more money than what the propaganda site said. probably with fiat discounts.
Can you say 2017 Truck of the Year.
Remember:
Ford resisted the SAE standard. Ram has adhered to it.
Ford bent the rules and uses the F-450 to compete against the Ram which is a true Class III truck.
So at the end of the day, Ram's offering is still more impressive AND it's also 27% less expensive to purchase as a result.
the blue one looks pretty sharp and it's not sagging like the current gen.
I don't do any heavy duty towing or anything so this is a newby question. The one in the first picture is considered a fifth wheel and the second a goose-neck right? Why would the numbers be different between the two?
Posted by: woopud | Jul 18, 2016 10:49:55 AM
Both pictures show a goose-neck trailer setup.
The updated 6.7 is 440hp, 925tq.
I don't do any heavy duty towing or anything so this is a newby question. The one in the first picture is considered a fifth wheel and the second a goose-neck right? Why would the numbers be different between the two?
Posted by: woopud | Jul 18, 2016 10:49:55 AM
Both pictures show a goose-neck trailer setup.
The first one is a little hard to tell since you can't see the hitch in the picture but I agree that it probably is a gooseneck. The difference is that a gooseneck has a hitch ball just in front of the axle that otherwise connects like a bumper pull, just moves the weight and tugging from the trailer farther forward for better control. A fifth wheel has a plate in the same location (just like an 18 wheeler) to handle more weight plus it ties the truck and trailer together in side to side rocking so that the combined rig is more stable. This round pressure plate is known as a "fifth wheel". Few farm trailers use fifth wheels. You pretty much only see them on campers.
The 6.2 gas burner still won't have as much torque as the 3.5EB found in a 150 and will still probably still burn a lot more fuel. I would still like to see an appropriate gas burner for this truck to be offered.
Thanks for the very clear answer Walt. Nice to know there are still people on the comments with something to say besides "your brand sucks."
@Ram Tough Ford still sprinkling the magic spring dust I see. It this think even J2807 rated?
Ford still sprinkling the magic spring dust I see. It this think even J2807 rated?
The 2017 F-350 tow rating in higher than RAM 3500
From Mike Levine on twitter
All 2017 F-Series Super Duty tow ratings are SAE J2807 compliant. Bam!
2017 F-350 max tow rating is 32,000 lbs
@Ram Tough Ford still sprinkling the magic spring dust I see. It this think even J2807 rated?
Ford still sprinkling the magic spring dust I see. It this think even J2807 rated?
The 2017 F-350 tow rating in higher than RAM 3500
From Mike Levine on twitter
All 2017 F-Series Super Duty tow ratings are SAE J2807 compliant. Bam!
2017 F-350 max tow rating is 32,000 lbs
@ Ram Tough
Fiat Chrysler Automobiles is under investigation for fraud
http://jalopnik.com/fiat-chrysler-under-investigation-for-fraud-reports-1783857785
Still has a terrible looking front end, finally stepped out of the 1960s and boxed that frame, 925 TQ and 430 QT probably still have problems trying to out run the old engines GM has now. Probably be miles behind again if GM finally is upgrading their engines.
The F450 reminds me of the Nissan Titan XD, barely has more capability then F350 but cost a lot more.
Ram noor gmc offer a one ton front axle. Which is 9 3/4 ring gear and 35 spline axle shafts. Not 9 1/4 ring gear. fords r heavy and biggeR. Look under that gm or chevy look at the steering then look at the superduty. U ask yourself why?
Way to go Ford!!...this will certainly increase the gab of full size trucks sales from 'shaky' Chebby/GMC two truck strategy.
Better still, the 6-month total sales for all Ford vehicles in the U.S. through June was 1,345,170 vehicles; up 4.4% from a year ago. GM sales of 1,438,915 was down approx. 4.4%, during the same period of 2015. Or in other words, GM's U.S. market share fell 16.3% while Ford's rose to 15.3% -- a mere one point share difference.
Wow, Ford being a much smaller auto maker still kicking butt of a Goliath GOVT motors is a quite a feat & earning more profit while at it....get ready for another GOVT motor bankruptcy.
Being J2807 certified is quite a bit different than being J2807 compliant. Mr. Levine chose his words wisely.
Lets see it took Ford redesigning their entire truck from the ground up to meet the J2807 specs when Ram met the J2807 spec across their entire line over two years ago going on three years ago now.
Further only an idiot would attempt to tow as much weight as any of these manufactures are claiming today with a one ton pick up truck. You are putting your own life at risk as well as those around you. Further towing at max weight all the time will just wear out said truck in short order.
As for Mike Levine he is nothing but a mouth piece for Ford, he was when he ran this site and he continues to be now that he is employed by Ford. Fact is Pickuptruck.com is so pro Ford it is funny.
Please David you can do much better than that, every manufacture does that including your favorite Ford. Dealers want to meet bonuses so they will show the vehicle as sold. Just because a couple of dealers got their panties in a wad and wanted to cause trouble for a practice that every manufacture does is no reason to single out FCA.
Look under that gm or chevy look at the steering then look at the superduty. U ask yourself why?
Posted by: s mccarter | Jul 18, 2016 4:38:38 PM
Maybe you you've identified the reason for the Superduty steering death wobble.
GM sure can't figure out the Shake and Burn so maybe when you look under the Super Duty you can say thank GOD it ain't like that chebby!!!
The Super Duty is American excess at it's finest.
No one needs this truck. What will people use it for? They will use it to haul air.
Better still, the 6-month total sales for all Ford vehicles in the U.S. through June was 1,345,170 vehicles; up 4.4% from a year ago. GM sales of 1,438,915 was down approx. 4.4%, during the same period of 2015. Or in other words, GM's U.S. market share fell 16.3% while Ford's rose to 15.3% -- a mere one point share difference.
Posted by: Lionel | Jul 18, 2016 4:51:29 PM
Difference in sales strategy.
"Ford's fleet sales accounted for 37% of its total sales last month. That breaks down to 13 percentage points from commercial sales, 7 percentage points from government sales, and 16 percentage points from daily rental, which is the less desirable of the fleet segments. For comparison, during the first six months of 2015, Ford's fleet sales accounted for 31% of the total, and 13 percentage points from daily rental."
"GM maintained its position as the biggest seller of vehicles in the U.S., but its June sales fell to 255,210 vehicles as the Detroit-based automaker continues to cut fleet sales to rental agencies in favor of more profitable retail sales to consumers."
Ford is eroding the value of it's vehicle line-up to make a quick buck with fleet sales. Why are you gloating about that?
Why are you gloating about that?
Posted by: Dirk | Jul 18, 2016 5:32:53 PM
Because he don't know any better or understand what is going on. He doesn't understand the affects this will have in the big picture later on down the road.
@Walt,
Thank you for clarifying the goose-neck vs fifth-wheel difference!
Maybe you you've identified the reason for the Superduty steering death wobble.
Posted by: GMSRGREAT | Jul 18, 2016 5:10:26 PM
It is actually from the Ford drivers trying to avoid the chevy next to it when the chivies front control arm breaks and the truck suddenly loses control.
Being J2807 certified is quite a bit different than being J2807 compliant. Mr. Levine chose his words wisely.
Posted by: uh huh | Jul 18, 2016 5:04:49 PM
It is currently certified and the new 17 if it is compliant it will be certified. Only a fool would think Ford would not certify its trucks when the current ones are.
Difference in sales strategy.
"Ford's fleet sales accounted for 37% of its total sales last month. That breaks down to 13 percentage points from commercial sales, 7 percentage points from government sales, and 16 percentage points from daily rental, which is the less desirable of the fleet segments. For comparison, during the first six months of 2015, Ford's fleet sales accounted for 31% of the total, and 13 percentage points from daily rental."
"GM maintained its position as the biggest seller of vehicles in the U.S., but its June sales fell to 255,210 vehicles as the Detroit-based automaker continues to cut fleet sales to rental agencies in favor of more profitable retail sales to consumers."
Ford is eroding the value of it's vehicle line-up to make a quick buck with fleet sales. Why are you gloating about that?
Posted by: Dirk | Jul 18, 2016 5:32:53 PM
The sales are all vehicle sales. Not Trucks. That is a much bigger picture. And yes if large fleets like rental companies sell their several year old vehicles it can drive down used car prices. But you seem to forget. GM has been offering 15-20% off on just about all their vehicles. That alone drives down value because they can be sold at a cheaper price when used. It goes both ways.
@ Hemi V8 & Ram Tough... you folks have other things to worry about.
Feds about to probe FIAT for possibly using THEY'RE own "magic dust" with sale numbers. Hmmm No stone throwing...
http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/18/news/companies/fiat-chrysler-sales-probe/index.html
Maybe you you've identified the reason for the Superduty steering death wobble.
Posted by: GMSRGREAT | Jul 18, 2016 5:10:26 PM
It is actually from the Ford drivers trying to avoid the chevy next to it when the chivies front control arm breaks and the truck suddenly loses control.
Posted by: LMAO | Jul 18, 2016 5:49:54 PM
What, even you don't know how to resolve the superduty steering wheel death wobble.
What I want to see is a run up to the Eisenhower Tunnel (Ike gauntlet) With all 4 Brands at max towing with a Gooseneck or 5th wheel. All should be 4x4 and crew cab. Towing experience, max speed achieved, average speed achieved, and real MPG, not what the computer tells us, Transmission and engine temps, And then when they are finished with that, do a return run down the Ike and test for control, braking, (Engine, Transmission, and wheel) and brake rotor temps. Forget all this every vehicle must weigh the same crap. If a manufacturer is going to make these outrageous claims, they need to back them up with independent test data.
Mileage, control, safety and temperatures are very important aspects to know about before dropping $60,000+ on a tow rig!.
What I want to see is a run up to the Eisenhower Tunnel (Ike gauntlet) With all 4 Brands at max towing with a Gooseneck or 5th wheel. All should be 4x4 and crew cab. Towing experience, max speed achieved, average speed achieved, and real MPG, not what the computer tells us, Transmission and engine temps, And then when they are finished with that, do a return run down the Ike and test for control, braking, (Engine, Transmission, and wheel) and brake rotor temps. Forget all this every vehicle must weigh the same crap. If a manufacturer is going to make these outrageous claims, they need to back them up with independent test data.
Mileage, control, safety and temperatures are very important aspects to know about before dropping $60,000+ on a tow rig!.
Posted by: hdmax | Jul 18, 2016 6:39:10 PM
There is a major flaw in your wants. Since GM has the lowest towing it should have better FE since it does not have to work as hard as fiat and the Ford SuperDuty because it tows several tons less than both Ford and fiat. Brake rotor temps are not a good gauge to go by. Different designs allow for different brake temps. Some brakes do better with higher heat than others. Unloaded stopping is really a good test for overall brake performance. Even repeated brake applications.
If you want engine temps then they will need to install temp sensors to monitor the actual temps. You cannot go by gauges because they are computer controlled and not an actual reflection of actual temps. Ford does give you oil temps and transmission temps but a normal computer controlled gauge for coolant.
Transmission temps are not a good comparison either. Each transmission is designed around a certain operating temp. The Torqshif6 has a T-stat to control temps to keep them around 200F.
I second hdmax...
Sweet
That Ford has an impressive numbers on the paper and looks very,very ugly. I wouldn't drive one for free.
Just imagine, how quite , efficient and more powerful this engine could be, if Ford had an access to the Multijet II , designed and patented by the FIAT. Eh ?
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