New Ford Super Duty Raises Stakes of HD Pickup Wars

GMC Spy from Nate Burges II

 

It was inevitable. Once the No. 1 selling half-ton pickup truck moved to an aluminum body, upgraded the frame and suspension, and re-engineered its engine lineup, trim packages and cab design, we had a feeling that was going to flow into the all-new 2017 Ford Super Duty. In fact, we're guessing that other heavy-duty pickup makers, such as GMC, Chevrolet and Ram, will follow closely behind when they come to market with their all-new or significantly upgraded HD trucks.

We recently had the chance to drive the new Super Dutys and meet some of the "behind the scenes" Ford customers (see the YouTube videos below) we've seen from the Ford Tough video production team. In fact, one of them was lucky enough to grab this spy shot of a lightly camo'd next-generation GMC Sierra HD doing some hot-weather testing in the Rocky Mountains. Let that be a lesson to PickupTrucks.com readers: If you see something interesting, take a photo, send it to us with a quick note, and we'll try to pass it along.

Here are some of the 2017 Super Duty "behind the scenes" videos Ford shot as company representatives guided a group of in-market HD truck users through the testing and manufacturing process of the all-new F-Series. We've had the chance to meet a few of these professionals and can say they're the real deal.

Cars.com photo by Nate Berges

 

Meet the Insiders

 

Inside the Manufacturing

 

Saving Weight With Aluminum, then Reinvesting

 

Manufacturer Approved/Nate Berges

  

Electrician Approved/Josh Morris

 

 

Comments

It's great to see the big 3 working hard to make even better trucks that are more capable, comfortable and high tech but unfortunately all of this R&D is making trucks very expensive.

It'll be interesting to see what GM and RAM do to compete with Ford. I still think it's interesting that Ford has to use the F450 to compete with the RAM 3500, I thought that they would have improved the F350 to compete with the RAM 3500.

These are exciting times for us truck fans.

Who authored this?

Mike Levine?

At over 500K units per year in the US only, and significant profits per unit, in particular at high level trims and diesel options, Ford, GM, and FCA won't have any problems with R&D in full size pickups and HD's. What one can see through, is that recently updated Tundra and Titan can't keep the pace with the big 3. Full-size pickups are starting to make sense in other markets outside of US/Canada. Ford in particular has clear lead in technology, not so much in capabilities over RAM HD's, but RAM is soon to be updated.

Ford should go with the F-150 globally (with the 3.0 diesel), they could offer a lot of car for reasonable price and consumption, in the same way the Ford Mustang 5.0 offers a lot of sports or GT car for the money.

It's strange to see Ford presenting Silverado HD's as #2 and RAM HD's as distant #3 in some ads, because stats show Silverado is near F-series in half-tons but the super duties sell way better then Silverado HD's with RAM HD's being #2 by very clear margins.

Ford has to use their F450 to compete with Rams 3500, so very sad.

Ram has to use their 2wd 3500 single cabs to compete with Ford's 4x4 crew cabs, so very sad.

So what you are saying Scott N is a Ram 2 wheel drive will perform just as well as a Ford 4 wheel drive.

Man Ram is making some awesome trucks!

Ford = JUNK!

So what you are saying Scott N is a Ram 2 wheel drive will perform just as well as a Ford 4 wheel drive.

Man Ram is making some awesome trucks!


Posted by: Ram Tough | Aug 6, 2016 5:44:27 PM

If a person understands trucks, it appears that ram stripped down their lightest class 3 truck that is a dually to compete with Fords biggest class 3 truck the F450 [and for those that do not understand GVWR ratings look it up] that is a more solid heavy hauler towing platform. It also appears even fiat does not understand GVWR because they are looking at the F450 emblem instead of looking at the class rating and GVWR and complaining about it. Very sad indeed.

Ford has to use their F450 to compete with Rams 3500, so very sad.


Posted by: Ram Tough | Aug 6, 2016 3:21:49 PM

Please explain. Both trucks are class 3 trucks with a GVWR of 14000lbs. Sounds pretty equal to me. Ohhhhhhh, you do not understand what class 3 or GVWR is and have to rely on the emblem on the side. So very sad.

Comparing apples to apples the ram 4500 is rated to tow a max of 24,650 or the 5500 is 29,600..... Who cares, they all are capable trucks, but it is nice to not have to be punished having to do it in a stripped down single cab.

Who defines what a 2500, 3500 or 4500 can haul and tow?

I took pictures of the Ram Diesel and Mihandra truck both in camo while testing in the mountains and the guy before Mark Williams said he could not accept them as they had to be from the KGBphoto guys.

come on!
lets see the frame twist test between the Ford and the Ram
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f3CAnH7WIM

How ironic, a FORD infomercial interrupted by a GMC doing some real work. HAHAHA! Just like the operators of these vehicle, FORD guys say what they can do while the GM guys get it done.

You've never been to an RV park or horse event. BTW, that front end is a copy of the Superduty with an aftermarket grill, only the gm's bumper is ugly as usual.

@George they used to build F100/150's and F350's in Australia till 1980, they sold in pretty small numbers . Car Utes did a lot of the work of F100/150.Heavier Trucks the F350. Current F150 has limited rock crawling Off Road performance, payload and no diesel. As a result the " 1 Tonne" Pickup market is exploding
. . 1 Tonne refers to the min payload for the DualCab pickups, 2,200lb

The only one stripping their trucks is Ford stripping parts off the F450 to get under the 14,000 pound limit.

Ram is documented to not remove any part from their trucks unlike Ford and even GM has done. Ford got caught removing the spare tire, jack, radio and center console from the F450 so it would barely make the 14,000 pound limit for a class three truck.

Who defines what a 2500, 3500 or 4500 can haul and tow?
I took pictures of the Ram Diesel and Mihandra truck both in camo while testing in the mountains and the guy before Mark Williams said he could not accept them as they had to be from the KGBphoto guys.

Posted by: Dave | Aug 6, 2016 9:49:25 PM

That must have been Ford stooge Mike Levine.

A Ford spokesman said last week that Ford bases its maximum payload claim on the weight of the base F-series model after various items are deleted, not on the base curb weight of the F-series pickup.

For example, Ford shaved 154 pounds from the weight of the F-450, Ford spokesman Mike Levine said, by removing items that have the possibility of being deleted from a vehicle order.

Among the items removed were the spare tire, tire jack, radio and center console.

It began using the practice for the 2011 model year, Levine said.

Ford advises dealers to warn customers that they could disqualify their warranty coverage if they exceed a truck’s gross vehicle weight rating.

However, on the F-450, if a customer loaded a base vehicle to Ford’s advertised maximum payload capacity, the vehicle would exceed its Class 3 gross vehicle weight rating by 61 pounds.

I see a lot of butthurt Chrsyler fans posting.

"The only one stripping their trucks is Ford stripping parts off the F450 to get under the 14,000 pound limit. "


Put a date to that. Ford stopped that years ago when the revised 2015 F-450 debuted.

Welcome to 2017.


However, on the F-450, if a customer loaded a base vehicle to Ford’s advertised maximum payload capacity, the vehicle would exceed its Class 3 gross vehicle weight rating by 61 pounds.

Posted by: Ram Tough | Aug 7, 2016 5:17:31 PM

You are pulling Old information and not even relevant to the past few years of the F450. You already know this because you failed to post a link with the date. For the past few years the F450 has been J2807 certified for towing and hauling. In fact the committee raised the GVWR for a second passenger during the test. Face it, ram is falling behind again. The Ford Superduties will always outperform a ram. The keep the same HP and Torque in all trims of F250-F450 Superduty. Ram charges for each power increase. The highest torque ram cost over $4K more just for the extra torque tune that is not even available until 4th gear.

And fiat/ram is in trouble with the FBI and others for fudging sales numbers. If your product is good it sells good. Not these as fiat bought a sinking ship!!

At the end of the day, Ford is adding all this technology but it comes at a steep price. The Chevy/GMC HeavyDutys have beaten the Ford SuperDuty every time pickuptrucks has done a shootout. The Ram has always come in a distant 3rd. So all that magic dust that Ford and Ram keep sprinkling in terms of horsepower and torque has meant absolutely nothing when it's come to real world driving and competitions. The Duramax and Allison transmissions have been unbeatable despite what Mike Levine......I mean Mark Williams lead you to believe on this site. Also, if you will visit any diesel mechanics/shops, they will tell you that hands down, the diesel motor they have the most problems with (make them the most money from), is Fords. Most of them have serious problems and require an overhaul between 150,000 and 200,000 miles. All you Ford homers can say what you want, but the smart ones who do their research know that Ford diesels are crap right now. No way in hell I'd ever buy one. Ever.

At the end of the day, Ford is adding all this technology but it comes at a steep price. The Chevy/GMC HeavyDutys have beaten the Ford SuperDuty every time pickuptrucks has done a shootout. The Ram has always come in a distant 3rd. So all that magic dust that Ford and Ram keep sprinkling in terms of horsepower and torque has meant absolutely nothing when it's come to real world driving and competitions. The Duramax and Allison transmissions have been unbeatable
Posted by: Chris | Aug 7, 2016 6:03:17 PM


Wrong. Here's the results from the last diesel shootout. The Ford dominated. But lost on interior design...

http://special-reports.pickuptrucks.com/2014/08/ultimate-one-ton-hd-challenge-and-the-winner-is.html

"The Power Stroke dominated our acceleration and hill-climb tests, winning just about every zero-to-60-mph and quarter-mile run we set up. It even did incredibly well in our biggest exhaust brake tests, scoring light-years ahead of where they were the last time we tested a one-ton Ford Super Duty turbo-diesel.

Most of the issues we had with this 2015 Super Duty had to do with ride quality and interior (decorating) design."

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I'll also add that Ford came in 2nd in empirical with only 6 pts difference between GM and Ford.

8 tests won by GM and 7 tests won by Ford. A virtual tie with GM getting the edge

Ram came in dead last in empirical scoring with more 100 pts behind GM.

The steeper price of the (new interior, improved ride and adaptive steering) had to be done. It will now win the next shootout. Hands down.

HAHA 440HP 880TQ powerjokeR barely beat it, all with in tenths of a second. 397HP 765TQ Duramax makes Ford look like a joke, 43 more HP 115 more TQ and the best Ford could win by .3 of a second LMAO! You Ford monkeys are so god damn hilarious. What's Ford on now? job 60 reflash 500? LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Johnny does, it seems like you have several names on here posting false and inaccurate information. You claim to back things up but so far I have not seen evidence of this. You may want to stick to the facts.

Id take either or a Nissan? sure why not? because it doesn't go zero to 60 as fast? OK.....

Everyone who owns one or the other likes/loves what they bought. Good trucks! I like the RAM for the way it drives. I like the GM for the positive shifts. I like the ford for the Durability over the first half of its life. I don't like the steering feel, which they did change. I don't like the RAM for how slow it feels. I don't like the GM's for the small issues that pop up for no reason. They all have positive and negatives. just need to see what fits you.

As of now ill Be a GM guy for another 2 years. I might switch depending on what I see come out in 2 years. I would drive a RAM if it wasn't so damn slow. Its like asking to get hit pulling out into traffic. Otherwise it has an exceptionally comfortable interior. I like the look of the ford dually. I would drive one if the price isn't outrageous compared to the GM. I would buy a GM but I really don't care for blown headlights and unless they finnaly fix the lights on the HD's I wont bother. Just don't care for small issues. No matter how easy to fix. Fords seem to stay new longer than the gM. About 60k hard miles before its falling apart where the GM will go about 30k before just pissing you off. The ram they seem to just be broken right from the factory and you learn to love your broke ram because well its got a cummins! why wouldn't you like it LOL!!!

Nissan.. well I love the old f150 look and it looks like that to me. It looks like a sturdy half ton with a cummins and I like that. I really will look at that xd when I'm ready to pick another truck up. I would buy the regular cab. It just says BUY ME! I'm a sucker for it. steel wheels and all I'm really digging that lower end model. I just really need to see the space behind the seat. At one point Ram had this on lock for a regular cab truck but they shortened the cab and frame by a few inches in 2010 or so for the regular cab HD. I compare mine to a friends and its noticeably smaller behind the seat. Looks similar but not as roomy. Personally All these trucks are good. not great though. I would like to see a smaller diesel like the 5.0 cummins in the other trucks. something that will get a good MPG. and tow 20k with ease. They can do it. They just don't want to!

8 tests won by GM and 7 tests won by Ford.

Posted by: Dave Z. | Aug 7, 2016 6:18:01 PM

Ford has always played second fiddle to GM.

Looking more closer, Ford had transmission gearing advantage to boot and still could only pull off wins in the tenth of a second range LMAO!!!!!!!!!! 43 more HP 95 more TQ and trans gearing advantage, still barely won WOW HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

http://cars.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451b3c669e201a73df7eddd970d-pi

They will all answer. The question is how will they answer.

Got to drive a late model Superduty over the weekend. It was like a trip down memory lane to about late 70's - mid 80's suspension and steering technology. Wow, you Superduty guys sure are missing out on a great driving experience. Independent front suspension rules for handling and control.

Saw the F450 TFL video up the Ike Gauntlet and it was slower than the Ram 3500.

The Ford even has the advantage of running 4.56 rear end gears over the Ram.

Fuel economy up the Gauntlet? Ford F450 2.5 MPG Ram 3500 3 MPG.

Not only did the Ram 3500 make it up the Ike Gauntlet faster than the F450 it did it using less fuel.


Saw the F450 TFL video up the Ike Gauntlet and it was slower than the Ram 3500.

The Ford even has the advantage of running 4.56 rear end gears over the Ram.

Fuel economy up the Gauntlet? Ford F450 2.5 MPG Ram 3500 3 MPG.

Not only did the Ram 3500 make it up the Ike Gauntlet faster than the F450 it did it using less fuel.

Posted by: Ram Tough | Aug 8, 2016 3:27:10 PM
That test was with 30,000 lbs. The fiat 350 was with 21,000lbs. The Superduty does not use a 4.56 gear either. It uses a 4.30 with a much taller 19.5 rim and tire which takes away from the gearing advantage. Nice try zvier, you are wrong again.

Maybe Ford should use a 10" rim then, so they can do something LMAO!

So will the SD have thicker beds so it doesn't tear easily like the tin can thin F150.


So will the SD have thicker beds so it doesn't tear easily like the tin can thin F150.

Posted by: uh huh | Aug 9, 2016 11:00:36 AM

Yes, they have been talking about that in most of the new Superduty reviews.


Looking more closer, Ford had transmission gearing advantage to boot and still could only pull off wins in the tenth of a second range LMAO!!!!!!!!!! 43 more HP 95 more TQ and trans gearing advantage, still barely won WOW HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

http://cars.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451b3c669e201a73df7eddd970d-pi

Posted by: johnny doe | Aug 7, 2016 9:06:35 PM

And it did win pulling 21,000lbs. Looks like the added torque and HP did help keeping it from slowing down to much like the other trucks. Any real truck guys knows that diesel performance and gasoline performance are 2 different animals. Look at your favorite little chivy with the HP, TQ, and more gearing advantage compared to the 2011 design 3.5L GTDI. It just barely beat out the Ford by a few tenths.


This just makes it like the F350 is incapable and weak, wimpy thus they need a bigger truck to compete, hey it is true !

F350 is INCAPABLE they should just stop production of the Wimpy, useless F 350...

Ford is going to brag about its tow rating is higher than the RAM 1500 and Chevy/GMC 1500 by using the F 250 !!!

FORD LIES..BAN Ford only cheaters and liars buy Fords....

Posted by: Furd Twuck is a CHEATER | Aug 9, 2016 6:25:25 PM

Trying this again zvier. The comparo between all 3 3500 trucks showed the F350 still outpacing the fiat 3500 pulling 21000 lbs. The F450 is just the extra icing on the cake to really show what a real heavy duty truck can do in heavy hauling department. I love the fiat guys. They look at the name on the side to try and determine what the truck ratings are. Never mind actual reading what the GVWR specs are. That is hard work.


Lyin Ford !!! Bunch of Cheaters !!

Ford F 450 has to compete against a RAM 3500 ?

RAM should make a 4500 then Ford would need a F 550 !!

RAM 3500 destroys a F-350 that's a Fact,Ford had to remove the bumpers,spare tire,seats (except drivers) and all other items to come some what close to the RAM 3500,so they said the heck with that lets use a 450..

Wonder if Ford will have a motorcycle to claim best gas mileage for a CAR !! Basically that is what they are doing,cheaters and lying..

LYIN FORD ...

Posted by: Furd Twuck is a CHEATER | Aug 9, 2016 6:15:32 PM

Hey ziver, check out the comparo on this site where a F350 with the same rear end ratio dominated over the fiat 3500 pulling up hill, braking down hill, etc. In fact didn't the fiat come in 3rd place because it was not competitive? Yes I believe that is the case. LMAO.

Will Ram Trucks finally come out with mega cab long bed?

LMAO not a single one of those people do ANY work nor were they EVER underneath a 16 model to know ANY differences LOL in the one video you can see dudes Rolex poking out from under his sleeve! LMAO stop it with the nonsense already LOL

LMAO, you are annoying and lame. The RAM 3500 did have 30,000lbs you on the Ike Gauntlet, and yes the RAM 3500 made it to the finish line faster than the F-450. And to Chevy fans, have fun keeping up with RAM, I don't care about their new 2017 air intake system update, I honestly place GM in third place with their entire line of pickup trucks. Although GM has a good point, Fords are just a piece of junk tin can. Ford and Chevy will never be able to make me change my mind, I'll always choose RAM trucks, the best trucks on and off road.

**Corrected** LMAO, you are annoying and lame. The RAM 3500 did have 30,000lbs on the Ike Gauntlet, and yes the RAM 3500 made it to the finish line faster than the F-450, and got a littlr better on fuel milage. And to Chevy fans, have fun keeping up with RAM, I don't care about their new 2017 air intake system update, I honestly place GM in third place with their entire line of pickup trucks. Although GM has a good point, Fords are just a piece of junk tin can. Ford and Chevy will never be able to make me change my mind, I'll always choose RAM trucks, the best trucks on and off road.



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