Diesel? Looks like GM gets left in the dust again.

Love 'em or hate 'em you have got to give Ford credit for constant innovation and giving consumers choice. The 3.0 diesel with the 10 speed and an upgraded Coyote with a 10 sp

Man Ford keep em coming, you guys are always out and updating, nicely done!

The 3.0L diesel is being used by Land Rover .
It has been trouble free.

Good job, Ford (...and I'm a RAM guy!)

Years ago (before Mullally), even Ford's internal management was criticizing its own lack of innovation. One commenter said: "our engine's poor fuel mileage was due to older heavy iron pistons", --- when everyone else had switched to modern alloys.

I'm glad to see that those days are gone: Ford is obviously now leading the pack with radical innovation and invention. The trick is to make sure that things are still reliable and durable. I am concerned about the longevity of the 10-speed transmission, for example. That's a lot of parts to crowd into a small space. Can it take the beating of overloads? Can it be cooled properly. Will more fluid changes be needed?

I am already worried about ANY turbo-charged truck engine after 200,000 miles (yeah: I get my trucks long time...).

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Not much you can do on the outside design of a truck, it still has round wheeel wells...

Just wondering when we are going to get spy photo's and spec's of the 2017 Ranger.? That's what I am waiting for...

Ford seems to have updates and new designs stacked in a queue, steadily rolling them to production. Some complain there is too much Ford news, but they are the company with the constant improvements.

I would love to see them tune the 3.0 diesel to about 300/480.

Based on the success of the Fiat Ecodiesel its pretty obvious that a small displacement mileage making diesel in a 1/2 truck makes a lot of sense. It made sense well before Fiat did it but they were the first and PROVED it. Ford has proven that modern high tech V6s have their place and actually work more than adequately for the majority of its customers. A small displacement mileage making diesel with the new 10spd auto and in a cutting edge feature laden aluminum body is another no brainer. Chevy and GMC can keep putting the 6.2 in 10% of their trucks for marketing purposes and to try to have something that can punch as hard as a 3.5V6 but in the CAFE game its a losing stunt. This move by Ford will leave GMC and Chevy 1/2 tons without a relevant modern v6 or diesel option... I hope they have BIG plans for the next redo of their truck the last 2 have been lacking.

I have to say, Ford is really upping the ante....they're on the ball with new ideas to satisfy the customers and it's working! I'm not bias to one brand because I had a 2000 Chevy Silverado that I finally sold at 275,000 miles and right now I drive a 2005 F150 that I will drive in the ground before I will buy a new truck whichever brand that may be. I will never buy a Fiat but would be open to any other truck brand, just my 2 cents.

Midcycle facelift- YAWN!
Give us something people can sink into: a shorter front end cab forward design by a foot in total.
Diesel V6: I rarely see any Ecodiesels in SF bay area! For the premium price of them people figure they can buy a whole lot more gas for their gaser instead. I've seen a whole lot of hype over the last few years, but no volume in the diesel 1/2 ton market. Why doesn't RAM publish the volume they've been selling with respect to Ecodiesel? Ford has published:
10% V6 NA-normal aspirated.
33% 2.7L Ecoboost.
32% 3.5L Ecoboost.
25% 5.0L
V6 diesel does help push the engine bay smaller though, so I'm open to the technology as I am with twin turbo's, but people are right to have a concern with respect to longevity of their vehicles and understandably prefer to stick with a V8 that undoubtedly is less expensive to repair than turbo's and diesels, at least until the technology proves to allow people to drive, as NMGOM said, 200kmiles carefree. I can bite into that having had 320k on my last truck.

HEMI V8, Your days are numbered....

http://www.allpar.com/news/2016/09/engine-rumor-roundup-changes-32881

The 5.7 Hemi V8 is indeed slated to stop production in calendar year 2018, though engineers are still improving it, and it’s very popular on the Ram 1500. Redriderbob wrote that the company is stockpiling Hemis, and may change plans if EPA standards relax.
The Pentastar V6 is supposed to get its long-overdue direct injection, increasing power and economy alike; the 3.2 will be dropped and a 2.8 added for export.
The turbocharged Pentastar reputedly has a 400 horsepower goal, setting it above the Hemi V8. The company would likely add to the Hemi’s price to make up for CAFE fines.

Yeah he will have to change his name to PUGV6.

@ Robert.
You say GM is left in the dust because Ford will have a diesel in half ton in the next year or two. You realize GM has a 2.8L Duramax in the GM mid size already, and could easily use it in the 1/2 ton platform. The GM midsize has the GVWR of a half ton 5 years ago, and with the crew cab is spacious enough for a family, easier to park tows more than the average truck buyer will need. I am happy that Ford is finally coming out with a small displacement diesel, i think diesels are a far better engine for any truck, get great fuel economy, and work at low rpm's where a truck needs its power.

@Chris
Seems FCA is finally getting around to the Pentastar update, but it's been a year now since this last article about it:
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/09/02/fca-pentastar-v6-2016-upgrades/ Their patent on lower engine height should help lower the hood a little and make it easier to see over the hood. Killing the V8 in 1/2 tons in general will be a very slow process as FCA is already leaving itself an out if CAFE rules change.
Looks like it will take Tesla to drive the industry to more cab forward reduced front end designs.
http://rmautobuzz.com/10-best-trucks-coming-2017/8/ V6 is the only way to get there.

@Sean

There's a lot of things GM "could easily do", the problem is they don't do them. Or when they do them they're late to the game. I'll give them credit for the Colorado and Canyon diesel but that's the only thing that makes them appealing to me, the diesel. Wish they made it available across all trim levels but GM isn't known for being that smart.

Why is GM not performing?

According to the data I've seen GM outsells Ford in pickups by a long shot.

Does this prove Ford is possibly over investing? Sort of like buying a home in good condition for a couple hundred thousand, when homes are more or less worth a couple hundred thousand. Then spending 50 thousand in renovations and upgrades to your home and expecting it to be worth two hundred and fifty thousand.

This is not reality. Is Ford overspending? The end result is a pickup that is still only second to GM's pickups.

What is GM doing that is better than Ford?

I think GM and Ford are performing to their product plans. Keep in mind, brand loyalty in this segment is around 85% so neither of them are really stealing customers - perhaps with the midsize GM could be. Ford has spend most of its $$ on the aluminum changeover. The 10 speed has been in development with GM for some time, the 3.0 diesel is a Range Rover mill, much of the Ecoboost engineering was done v 2.0 should be the learnings and improvements over the first iteration. Ford burned millions just to stay ahead in its "brand". The F150 means much more to Ford then the twins do to GM

What is GM doing that is better than Ford?

Posted by: WildWilly | Sep 7, 2016 2:15:06 PM

More choice. I know so many people who wouldn't be seen in a Chevrolet but love GMC. I personally know that the GM twins are the exact same product with just some styling differences. It is those styling differences that would sway me towards one or the other of the 2 twin at the time of purchase. Ford attempts to counter that with a host off difference upgrades but the overhaul body shell styling is the same. Of course, now there are those mid size offerings from the General that allows even more choice for consumers.

Where's this data that proves GM outsells Ford in trucks? I can't find it. One month does not make a year of sales.

Finally some competition for RAM. On second thought , no. Ford doesn't have Multijet II technology FIAT invented, patented and enjoys for a decade now.

Finally some competition for RAM. On second thought , no. Ford doesn't have Multijet II technology FIAT invented, patented and enjoys for a decade now.

Posted by: RAM | Sep 7, 2016 4:41:52 PM

Your right for once. Ford is not under investigation for diesel emissions cheating..........

http://overdrive.in/news/emissions-scandal-fiat-under-scanner-for-irregularities-in-tests/

HAHAHAHA

Finally some competition for RAM. On second thought , no. Ford doesn't have Multijet II technology FIAT invented, patented and enjoys for a decade now.

Posted by: RAM | Sep 7, 2016 4:41:52 PM

Yup, Ford does not have an emission cheating program in their diesels..........

https://www.yahoo.com/news/germany-accuses-fiat-car-emissions-cheating-142922926.html

So nobody else make trucks, just Ford?

Finally some competition for RAM. On second thought , no. Ford doesn't have Multijet II technology FIAT invented, patented and enjoys for a decade now.

Posted by: RAM | Sep 7, 2016 4:41:52 PM

Your right for once. Ford is not under investigation for diesel emissions cheating..........

http://overdrive.in/news/emissions-scandal-fiat-under-scanner-for-irregularities-in-tests/

HAHAHAHA

Posted by: LMAO | Sep 7, 2016 5:05:48 PM

That's news from April, which has been proved wrong. Is that all you've got ? LOL.

Lets wait for 2018 ford diesel injectors bottom feeder, something VW was using 20 years ago. Let's see how it fires. LOL.

Looks like new front and rear ends for 2018 too. Air dam looks different I think also.

Yeah, ford is ahead of RAM only because of suckers like you, otherwise it's lacking technology, no diesel, no multilink, no 10 speed on the market yet, certainly won't have Multijet II from FIAT made by Bosch, but some 1.st generation bottom feeders injectors, which Bosch needs to get rid of. LOL

Yeah, ford is ahead of RAM only because of suckers like you,

Posted by: RAM | Sep 7, 2016 6:21:58 PM

Well the only suckers are the poor souls that buys into the fiat disaster. Unfortunately they will realize their bad decision.

Lets see

fiat 8 speed----still cannot outperform current line up of trucks with 6 speeds

fiat multilink----still is over loaded with 2 dozen eggs in the back seat.

MultiJet II----- you cannot even explain why it is designed to do what it does. So I don't care a single bit for that injector that Bosch has the patent on.

Ford is making alot of news lately, lots of the tech is gimmicky, but powertrain changes are welcome.

GM is slower on changes but their powertrains for the most part beat Ford, esp in FE.

Ford has bragging rights for towing and payload, maybe their FE will match GM now with the 10 speed's, for the casual buyer that doesnt work a truck to death, the best bet is finding what they like and getting the middle model with huge bucks off at the right time of the model year.

I had an opportunity to buy a new Zo6 for about 67k, that alot of money but its a supercar and with 20 percent off plus nearly 4k GM money is was tempting, but the new Camaro ZL1 will have the 10 speed from GM/Ford, more room and almost as fast.

You can praise Ford when they make improvement, whether your a Ford fan or not, competition makes for better products for all, just don't overpay no matter which brand model you buy.

Finally I would like to congratulate Ford and GM for working together on this transmission, they stood up to ZF, which is a German company, Ram uses them, maybe Ford makes decent transmissions these days I dont know, the legendary Transmissions I know come from GM and Ford was smart to work with them.

I hope Ford avoids the 3.0 diesel trap.

A five thousand pound truck wants more ooomph than the 3.0 can offer. Evidence is the sorry 3.0 Ram diesel.

Instead Ford should come up with a Payload Package that features a hard riding half ton with a stout diesel. The guys who buy work trucks will give their money for it.

The 3.0 is just not the ticket for such a heavy truck.

I would like to see a small 4 cylinder diesel, maybe a cummins 4.

I would like to see a small 4 cylinder diesel, maybe a cummins 4.

@ papa Jim
Agreed I want a F150 with the 4.4 diesel.

@cool

Right?

The 3.0 is scarcely bigger than the 2.8 that GM puts in their midsize. We're talking about a half ton truck pulling big payloads and trailers. Why skimp?

Ford does not intend to mimic RAM but using stupid ring gear choices.

Between the wider gear spread of the 10 speed + the 700lb weight savings from the aluminum body, they don't need to. The diesel 3.0 has close to the same torque rating at RAM's but a bit more HP.

So to recap...
Subtracting 700lbs, adding 4 gears w/ a wider spread and adding another 20-30HP makes for a very different truck.

If the rumors are true this configuration is the one to break 30MPG in a 2x4 configuration.

The ranger replacement is due out before 2020 possibly as a early release 2019.

I expect the 2.3 Liter Ecoboost to the #1 engine pick and it wouldn't surprise me if Ford also used a variant of the 2.0 ecoboost motor as well.

They may use the 10 speed or the 6 speed.

I'd expect 26-30MPG depending on the configuration.

Ford probably wants the new 3.5L EB to have the limelight and bring out the Lion for 2018. Too bad they could't have it ready for 2017.5.

I'd love to see Mike Levine eat some diesel crow.

Just wondering when we are going to get spy photo's and spec's of the 2017 Ranger.? That's what I am waiting for...
Posted by: Dave | Sep 7, 2016 9:21:03 AM

The new Ranger will be a 2019. Have you seen any 2019 Silverado spyshots? I haven't either. You'll see the Ranger spyshots around the same time of the 2019 Silverado. Ford will shove the Ranger down GM's throughts and steal their thunder with the 2019 Ranger.

The current global Ranger with 3.2 TD (almost a 6 yr old platform) already outruns/out performs all of the current global mid-sizers including the latest offerings from Toy makers, Nissan, VW & even shaky GOVT motors twins with 2.8 TD.

Obviously the new '19 T-100/Ranger will surpass the global version in capability but I believe Ford will be very careful & calculate/even limit it's capacities so not to cut into full size trucks capabilities...it will be an interesting balancing act...can't wait!

These RAM turds crack me up; with 8 yr old platform, outdated power plants, more recalls than anyone combined & 3rd place in full size truck sales (YTD approx. 219 000 trucks less than F-series); they continue to grab straws on anything to boaster Fiat's survival effort - now that's what you call fan boys...a bit like US presidential supporters...

Just another junkie Ford, to replace the current junkie Ford.

These RAM turds crack me up; with 8 yr old platform, outdated power plants, more recalls than anyone combined & 3rd place in full size truck sales (YTD approx. 219 000 trucks less than F-series); they continue to grab straws on anything to boaster Fiat's survival effort - now that's what you call fan boys...a bit like US presidential supporters...

Posted by: Lionel | Sep 7, 2016 9:39:06 PM

You missed all those recalls Fseries has probably this year.
From trany shifting to the first gear suddenly , to the door locks. The ford is the winner by large margin for recalls. They have more recalls than GM and RAM combined .

Did they even start replacing those 271 000 brake master cylinders already ?
Can someone confirm it please ?

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2016/05/25/ford-motor-company-issues-one-safety-recall-and-one-safety-compl.html

Just another junkie Ford, to replace the current junkie Ford.

Posted by: johnny doe | Sep 7, 2016 9:39:46 PM

@ johnny doeby; I wouldn't call them junk if shaky GOVT motors are using Ford as the bench mark reference; you'll eat crow again when shaky Chebby/GMC trucks start using smaller turbo power plants & add aluminum to save weight...
But hey, this is not new, still following the leader...maybe for another 40 more yrs...hahahaha!!

No one uses Ford as a bench mark, unless they want a bench mark on how to build cheapest lowest quality junk ever seen by man.

Ford has been left in the dust without a diesel, Multijet II, 8 speed and multilink for a years now. Aluminium no one asked for didn't cut it. Ford is down -6.1%. LOL.

Where's this data that proves GM outsells Ford in trucks? I can't find it. One month does not make a year of sales.

Posted by: Robert | Sep 7, 2016 4:38:57 PM

Here your pill, now swallow it.

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2016/01/best-selling-pickup-trucks-december-2015.html

Ford is down -6.1%. LOL.

Posted by: RAM | Sep 7, 2016 11:39:02 PM

Yep, but only about 219 000 more trucks sold than RAM recall...hahahaha!

I'm seeing comments alluding to the fact Ford is doing a fine job introducing new tech into their pickups. The list is long and I do think Ford has done a fine job with this tech.

But, at the end of the day all you want is a pickup. All this airy fairy stuff doesn't make a truck work harder or better.

What makes a truck work is the operator. For decades trucks have served us well, without all of this bling. This bling isn't giving the operator an advantage to warrant its inclusion. In other words Ford has wasted money.

The tech Ford is rolling into it's pickups already exists, so it's not new, it just adds cost to the vehicle when buying. I do believe many customers looking for a pickup realize this.

This is why GM and even Ram are still in the game with their offerings.

Even with all of the fantastic bling fitted to the new Ford pickups they are still only competitive against their competition.

They are not leading in sales against the GM S and C twins combined. Remember at the end of the day all the money ends up in the same pot. Like Lexus, Scion and Toyota.

Anyone with the last body style with the 5.0L Ford V8 have any small coolant leaks? My father 2013 STX F150 5.0L closing in on 100,000 miles in leaking coolant some where with no noticeable drops. I don't think its going in the engine oil as it's down half a quart every oil change *4,000 miles*. I can smell the coolant but see nothing, any help or tips would be thankful.

GM Man,

Was never a fan of the Ford transmissions. They really didn't start to improve in trucks, until 2004. The latest 6 speed seems ok. I'll admit to drivetrain envy of GM trucks until the 6 speed and 5.0. Ford was smart to partner with GM on the tranny. I expect good things from it.

Anyone with the last body style with the 5.0L Ford V8 have any small coolant leaks? My father 2013 STX F150 5.0L closing in on 100,000 miles in leaking coolant some where with no noticeable drops. I don't think its going in the engine oil as it's down half a quart every oil change *4,000 miles*. I can smell the coolant but see nothing, any help or tips would be thankful.

Posted by: johnny doe | Sep 8, 2016 6:01:49 AM

Check the transmission fluid. It will not be easy since there is only a fill plug/Dipstick on the right front of the transmission. The fluid should be red or dark brown. If pink, milky, or an odd color replace the radiator. Flush the transmission thoroughly. Coolant can damage the clutchs.