Ford Once Again Trumpets a Future Hybrid F-150
In a recent announcement that included information about several upcoming autonomous, plug-in and hybrid vehicles coming to market, Ford once again announced that it will offer a hybrid half-ton pickup truck before the end of the decade.
For those who are keeping track, and excluding outside companies like Protean and VIA Motors, this technological expectation goes back to an "agreement of cooperation" with Toyota six years ago, where both parties decided to pool their resources to help further the possibility of a hybrid powertrain strong enough to deal with the normal workloads of a full-size half-ton pickup.
In a 2015 interview with NPR, Ford President and CEO Mark Fields announced the automaker would have an F-150 hybrid by the end of the decade. However, Ford has been talking about a hybrid powertrain for its popular half-ton pickup since 2011, when Ford invested time and money in parallel hydraulic systems that used a recharge accumulator on the Mighty F-350 Tonka concept to store and use tank pressure during braking and acceleration. In that same year, Toyota and Ford entered into a partnership to share information. Two years later they dissolved the collaboration, deciding to face the challenges of a rear-drive hybrid powertrain on their own.
Recent spy shots show camouflaged Ford F-150s that could be using hybrid powertains and/or new turbo-diesel engines. Regardless, if hybrid or diesel-hybrid powertrains begin showing up in future F-150s, it's likely that same technology could show up in Super Duty models as well. Increasing pressure from rising federal corporate average fuel economy targets will force all truckmakers to explore new fuel-saving technologies. We'd expect the commercial/fleet industry to be the first to see the long-term benefits and cost savings, but there's no doubt the new tech will work its way into premium consumer models as well, at least to begin with.
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The technology is there and works, we have a kia optima hybrid with 29K miles on it, the engine starts and stops all the time, has regen braking, and gets 39-41 MPG. The thing is so quiet and the starts and stops are really smooth, the problem is, will Ford get i right like the foreign companies do.....
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My kids have a Ford Fusion hybrid that they love.
I've ridden it and it has a plug in so that if you park it overnight the battery is topped off every morning when they head off to work.
Where they live the state allows people in hybrids to drive in the diamond lanes so they can get from the suburbs to the city very fast.
So far their Fusion has been a very good car. Hybrid technology has become mainstream.
Easy: take 2.3 liter ecoboost I4 engine, say 270hp, 300ft-lbs.
Take the new 10 speed automatic. Remove torque converter, replace with small diameter wet clutch pack. Add capable electric motor, 50hp sustained-75hp peak.
Add clutch pack on both ends: so that engine can operate as generator, motor re-starts engine, motor can drive the vehicle without engine (engine to transmission clutch stays open)
Add battery pack: 10 kilowatt hours is enough size, 75hp is enough power. Should be able to fit in ~3.5 cubic feet, shouldn't weigh more than 250 lbs.
It would be nice if the window sticker was 30/30 (on cheap regular fuel)
So FORD is about a decade behind GM in hybrid pick-up technology. Even if FORD sells these trucks, you know they will never leave the dealership.
LOL enjoy your Ford with stolen Toyota blue prints.
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"Long after a much-ballyhooed Toyota-Ford hybrid pickup partnership unraveled, the ill will lingers.
Toyota Motor Corp.'s powertrain chief says Ford Motor Co. didn't exactly steal Toyota's hallmark technology. But he insists his counterparts in Dearborn, Mich., milked the exchange for all they could before abruptly ending talks with Toyota's blueprints in hand."
http://autoweek.com/article/car-news/after-bad-breakup-ford-and-toyota-race-hybrid-pickups
Maybe one day Ford will be smart enough to engineer up it's own ideas.
It would not surprise me if in the next few years most trucks offer some type of hybrid system especially to meet the new efficiency standards. The Prius has already established the reliability and efficiency of their hybrid system and Toyota recently has stated that they will sell this technology to competitors. I have driven a C-Max and it was smooth driving and comfortable. Once the battery technology gets better with smaller, lighter, and less expensive batteries then you will see more use of hybrid systems. Toyota stated that in the next few years they will offer a hybrid system across all of their product line.
It would not surprise me if in the next few years most trucks offer some type of hybrid system especially to meet the new efficiency standards. The Prius has already established the reliability and efficiency of their hybrid system and Toyota recently has stated that they will sell this technology to competitors. I have driven a C-Max and it was smooth driving and comfortable. Once the battery technology gets better with smaller, lighter, and less expensive batteries then you will see more use of hybrid systems. Toyota stated that in the next few years they will offer a hybrid system across all of their product line.
I find it continually amazing how much stupidity is found in the comment section. All the complaining about Ford yet they are the ones leading with new tech in trucks overall. It's true that GM had a hybrid type truck that sold poorly a few years ago, they currently sell a similar truck in Calf in small numbers as a nod to bureaucratic from the state dept of Meddling Affairs.
If Ford has a true dual mode hybrid in 2020 it will be a big deal, the economics to purchase will be a different story. I'm sure huge federal/state tax incentives will encourage commercial purchases.
Johnny doe I believe Ford even went as far as saying they already had a better design than toyota when the collaboration ended. Funny thing is it sounded like toyota was the only one with plans on the table.
Battery power is the future.
So far those Via motor type companies have done nothing except try to sell snake oil. Lots of hot air and little to show for it.
I don't know, if you take the roar of the engine away, the wind noise from the F150 will be harder to ignore unless they come with a very loud stereo system.
For the imposters posting under my handle "Michigan Bob" and notice they use michigan state bob or bob instead of Michigan Bob like I do you know it's not me.
What's a matter little ford girly men? Can't handle a little teasing and brand bashing??? Did GM hurt your whittle feelings???
Now to settle this argument over which manufacture produces the most trucks and full size trucks with the BEST FUEL ECONOMY. The undisputed FUEL ECONOMY CHAMPION IS GM. NOT FORD AND I HAVE THE FACTS TO BACK THAT UP.
Sure ford likes to tout their 23 miles per gallon. Please tell me what ford truck in 4 wheel drive modes can you buy with a V8 from Ford that is rated at 23 miles per gallon??? Answer there isn't any period!
The best fuel economy ford offers in a 4 WHEEL DRIVE V8 MODEL IS THE 5.0 F-150 AT 22 MILES PER GALLON!
WHAT IS GM'S best fuel economy in 4 WHEEL DRIVE V8 MODELS??? ANSWER IS 22 FOR THE 5.3 LITER V8 WITH ACTIVE FUEL MANAGEMENT. and don't give me that B.S. about having to use a 3.08 rear axle to achieve that either because that is a outright LIE!
So ONCE AGAIN THE BEST FUEL ECONOMY FOR A 4 WHEEL DRIVE FORD PICK UP TRUCK IS 22 MILES PER GALLON WITH A V8 ENGINE BY GM. NOT FROM FORD AS THEIR MISLEADING COMMERCIALS HAVE YOU BELIEVE. So much for that aluminum leading the way! Ford only gets 21 in a 4 WHEEL DRIVE V8 MODEL and that's a FACT FORD GIRLY BOYS. LOOK IT UP AT WWW.FUELECONOMY.GOV and you can see for yourself that I am absolutely 100% correct.
ALSO DON'T GIVE ME ANY CRAP ABOUT V6S WHO SELLS MORE TRUCKS. I DON'T WANT A V6. I WANT A TRUCK! GM sells the most pickups and the graphs on pickuptrucks.com prove this fact! I do not care ONE IOTA about vans. I only care about trucks on pickupTRUCKS.COM AND SO SHOULD YOU!
For the imposters posting under my handle "Michigan Bob" and notice they use michigan state bob or bob instead of Michigan Bob like I do you know it's not me.
What's a matter little ford girly men? Can't handle a little teasing and brand bashing??? Did GM hurt your whittle feelings???
Now to settle this argument over which manufacture produces the most trucks and full size trucks with the BEST FUEL ECONOMY. The undisputed FUEL ECONOMY CHAMPION IS GM. NOT FORD AND I HAVE THE FACTS TO BACK THAT UP.
Sure ford likes to tout their 23 miles per gallon. Please tell me what ford truck in 4 wheel drive modes can you buy with a V8 from Ford that is rated at 23 miles per gallon??? Answer there isn't any period!
The best fuel economy ford offers in a 4 WHEEL DRIVE V8 MODEL IS THE 5.0 F-150 AT 22 MILES PER GALLON!
WHAT IS GM'S best fuel economy in 4 WHEEL DRIVE V8 MODELS??? ANSWER IS 22 FOR THE 5.3 LITER V8 WITH ACTIVE FUEL MANAGEMENT. and don't give me that B.S. about having to use a 3.08 rear axle to achieve that either because that is a outright LIE!
So ONCE AGAIN THE BEST FUEL ECONOMY FOR A 4 WHEEL DRIVE FORD PICK UP TRUCK IS 22 MILES PER GALLON WITH A V8 ENGINE BY GM. NOT FROM FORD AS THEIR MISLEADING COMMERCIALS HAVE YOU BELIEVE. So much for that aluminum leading the way! Ford only gets 21 in a 4 WHEEL DRIVE V8 MODEL and that's a FACT FORD GIRLY BOYS. LOOK IT UP AT WWW.FUELECONOMY.GOV and you can see for yourself that I am absolutely 100% correct.
ALSO DON'T GIVE ME ANY CRAP ABOUT V6S WHO SELLS MORE TRUCKS. I DON'T WANT A V6. I WANT A TRUCK! GM sells the most pickups and the graphs on pickuptrucks.com prove this fact! I do not care ONE IOTA about vans. I only care about trucks on pickupTRUCKS.COM AND SO SHOULD YOU!
For the imposters posting under my handle "Michigan Bob" and notice they use michigan state bob or bob instead of Michigan Bob like I do you know it's not me.
What's a matter little ford girly men? Can't handle a little teasing and brand bashing??? Did GM hurt your whittle feelings???
Now to settle this argument over which manufacture produces the most trucks and full size trucks with the BEST FUEL ECONOMY. The undisputed FUEL ECONOMY CHAMPION IS GM. NOT FORD AND I HAVE THE FACTS TO BACK THAT UP.
Sure ford likes to tout their 23 miles per gallon. Please tell me what ford truck in 4 wheel drive modes can you buy with a V8 from Ford that is rated at 23 miles per gallon??? Answer there isn't any period!
The best fuel economy ford offers in a 4 WHEEL DRIVE V8 MODEL IS THE 5.0 F-150 AT 22 MILES PER GALLON!
WHAT IS GM'S best fuel economy in 4 WHEEL DRIVE V8 MODELS??? ANSWER IS 22 FOR THE 5.3 LITER V8 WITH ACTIVE FUEL MANAGEMENT. and don't give me that B.S. about having to use a 3.08 rear axle to achieve that either because that is a outright LIE!
So ONCE AGAIN THE BEST FUEL ECONOMY FOR A 4 WHEEL DRIVE FORD PICK UP TRUCK IS 22 MILES PER GALLON WITH A V8 ENGINE BY GM. NOT FROM FORD AS THEIR MISLEADING COMMERCIALS HAVE YOU BELIEVE. So much for that aluminum leading the way! Ford only gets 21 in a 4 WHEEL DRIVE V8 MODEL and that's a FACT FORD GIRLY BOYS. LOOK IT UP AT WWW.FUELECONOMY.GOV and you can see for yourself that I am absolutely 100% correct.
ALSO DON'T GIVE ME ANY CRAP ABOUT V6S WHO SELLS MORE TRUCKS. I DON'T WANT A V6. I WANT A TRUCK! GM sells the most pickups and the graphs on pickuptrucks.com prove this fact! I do not care ONE IOTA about vans. I only care about trucks on pickupTRUCKS.COM AND SO SHOULD YOU!
@GMSAREGREAT, the 2-mode hybrid was stupid. Such a flop you hardly see any on the road. The fuel economy sucked. Towing capacity sucked. It was just really sucky. lol.
DAG NABBIT.
CORRECTION TO MY POST!
The best fuel economy ford offers in a 4 WHEEL DRIVE V8 MODEL IS THE 5.0 F-150 AT 21 MILES PER GALLON!
GM IS AT 22 MPG IN THE SAME MODEL.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE GM HAS BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITHOUT ANY NEED FOR MORE ALUMINUM!
DAG NABBIT.
CORRECTION TO MY POST!
The best fuel economy ford offers in a 4 WHEEL DRIVE V8 MODEL IS THE 5.0 F-150 AT 21 MILES PER GALLON!
GM IS AT 22 MPG IN THE SAME MODEL.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE GM HAS BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITHOUT ANY NEED FOR MORE ALUMINUM!
DAG NABBIT.
CORRECTION TO MY POST!
The best fuel economy ford offers in a 4 WHEEL DRIVE V8 MODEL IS THE 5.0 F-150 AT 21 MILES PER GALLON!
GM IS AT 22 MPG IN THE SAME MODEL.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE GM HAS BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITHOUT ANY NEED FOR MORE ALUMINUM!
DAG NABBIT.
CORRECTION TO MY POST!
The best fuel economy ford offers in a 4 WHEEL DRIVE V8 MODEL IS THE 5.0 F-150 AT 21 MILES PER GALLON!
GM IS AT 22 MPG IN THE SAME MODEL.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE GM HAS BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITHOUT ANY NEED FOR MORE ALUMINUM!
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"So FORD is about a decade behind GM in hybrid pick-up technology. Even if FORD sells these trucks, you know they will never leave the dealership."
@GMSRGREAT - can you go out and buy a 2016 or 2017 GM truck with hybrid drivetrain?
GM's hybrids never left the lots. I've only EVER seen two of them.
They were expensive and had lousy capabilities.
They should have just gone with an optional all-electric model.
So great ... Ford once again announced that it will offer a hybrid half-ton pickup truck before the end of the decade.
Even if FORD sells these trucks, you know they will never leave the dealership.
Thank you I Have learnt a lot
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