Report: Ford Super Duty to Get New Gas Engine
It may take a few years, but Ford Super Duty (F-250 to F-550) and medium-duty (F-650 and F-750) pickup trucks look like they'll be getting a new torque-heavy 7.0-liter V-8 or V-10 gas engine. And all we can say is that it's about time.
With roots going all the way back to 1997, the 6.8-liter Triton V-10 has been the engine choice for several generations of Super Duty pickups, quite a few E-Series chassis cab and cutaway vans, and many motorhome chassis. It even played a role in the ill-fated Ford Excursion SUV. But now, according to Reuters, it looks like the Essex Engine Plant in Ontario, Canada, will get a $700 million investment to bring the workhorse V-10 engine into the modern age.
We have little information about the new gas engine or any possible upgraded transmission it's likely to be mated to, but we're guessing the motor will benefit from many of the same mpg-stretching fuel economy technologies we've seen in other Ford motors recently. So, we expect it to provide more horsepower and torque while achieving better empty and loaded fuel economy numbers over the engine it's replacing. More to come.
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And all we can say is that it's about time.
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All I can say is that I couldn't agree more.
Awesome news! Again the best keeps getting better.
The 6.0 gas engine in the Silverado HD needs upgraded too. It's a pretty reliable engine but it badly needs upgrades as well. Hopefully soon.
Wait, so is this replacing the current 6.2 AND V-10 or just the V-10? Article makes it sound like the V-10 is still offered in the 250 and 350 and it's not.
2 Ford recalls and then some positive news for them, hmmm...
2 Ford recalls and then some positive news for them, hmmm...
Posted by: oxi | Mar 30, 2017 1:14:22 PM
It's a balance to weed out the tr0!!s
probably turbo around 5 liters. 450 hp, 600 lb-ft, thousands less than diesel and maintenance costs a fraction of the diesel too
Robert: You are right--this is confusing. The V10 is currently only available in the F450 thru 750, motorhome chassis and E-Series.
It may become available in the F250 and 350 as an option above the 6.2.
@GMS, hahahha funniest thing you have said GMS, what you mean ism oh crap Ford will have the bniggest best gas engine and CHevy will have to catch up again, since the current 6.0 in the HD's is one of the worst engines ever made if you want to do work.....great job GMS, sorry you have to continue to get beat up by Ford.
Forget the truck, Ford should install this new 7.0L V10 with twin turbo 10spd auto in a 2018 GT500.
If it has the same technology as the current (newer) 6.2 L V8 (395 hp, 430 tq), using some extrapolation assuming similar hp and torque per for a given displacement (per litre), this pegs a 7.0 V8 or V10 at 435 hp and 486 ft-lbs of torque.
Sorry I meant to say the current 6.2 has 385 hp, not 395 hp - a typo. My extrapolated calculation was some using 385 hp
This is an interesting story because Ford has done all it can to diminish their position as a maker of 7 liter or 8 liter engines. The modular V10 had real potential for SUVs, muscle cars and pickups and it was allowed to basically die on the vine.
The tech discussion is hardly breathtaking.
Detroit has been building gasoline engines in this size range for more than 50 years. If pump gas prices stay in a reasonable range, there's no reason that buses, RVs, SUVs and larger pickups can't say "I'll have a V8...make that a V10!"
.great job GMS, sorry you have to continue to get beat up by Ford.
Posted by: Nitro | Mar 30, 2017 1:52:04 PM
Sorry you have to defend Ford. I'm sure you could be doing something more constructive.
It should be announced tomorrow.
The Essex Engine Plant in Windsor, Ontario, Canada will be changed over to make this engine. Rumor is that it will be a 6.9 liter engine not a 7.0.
"7x" is the internal code name for the engine.
Ford must have been slow sending out the email to the Publisher's Clearing House of Pick Up news.
Some of the "car" sites ran this story earlier today.
More government money put into ford junk.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/ford-federal-and-provincial-governments-pledge-600m-for-windsor-plant-1.4047218
More government money put into ford junk.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/ford-federal-and-provincial-governments-pledge-600m-for-windsor-plant-1.4047218
Posted by: uglyfords | Mar 30, 2017 5:03:57 PM
More Ford government handouts. Ford reminds me of someone on welfare. Sorry Frank, Lionel and Daddy dild......Oops, I mean Daddy doe.
A v10 with cylinder deactivation would be ideal. I see no reason for extreme sizes. 8+ liters is 4 running on 5cyl. They can easily make that work with some sort of efficiency. The current v10 when you work it good is insane on fuel. It really makes the needle move fast. Something to aid in economy was really all that needed to be addressed. Reliability, and power were all good enough to not fix.
Frank up to his usual useless postings i see.
GM fanboys talking about corporate welfare, were you guys born after 2008?
Based on today's reports I believe it's a 6.9L V8. An I highly doubt this is F250 bound. Prob F450 or F550+.
Ford fanboys are breathing a sigh of relief. Finally, a whole day has gone by without one Ford recall. Sleep well little ones.
Ford says it has a new 6.2 Whats new about it?
So they are replacing the 6.2 which dominated the work truck challenge with a new better engine ? You gotta give it to Ford totally leaving Ram and GM in the last century.
150-180 million is going to the engine plant.
The rest is going elsewhere.
I'm not getting any younger so hurry the double LL up and get that 7.0 liter beast going!!!
@papa, what SUV's would want a V10? What would be the advantage of that. A V 10 would net horrid mileage especially if you have the suv full of people and towing something, just saying.
@Nitro
Any big SUV would love the extra performance of a big motor. Are you so young that you can't remember the 454 or the Ford 460? The RAM V10?
Expeditions, Suburbans or a RAM full size SUV based on the 1500 (I can dream, right?) would all want a 7 or 8 liter gas engine to zoom around with.
@papa, actually since you brought up age, I am 40 today!
Back then maybe ok, but now I dont see people opting for those engines when society and places like here shove the FE crap down everyones throat.
@nitro
wait until those people you refer to get a full dose of reality. Diesel is a great choice for those whose needs regularly require the torque diesel offers. Turbo gas engines offer the flexibility of a small engine that can act like a big motor for short bursts.
Big V8 and V10 gas engines are versatile and easy to live with. If there is a downside, it's the perception that they're gas hogs. I challenge anyone who thinks that way to examine what it costs to buy (and maintain) the more complex diesel and turbo engines.
There is no replacement for displacement.
This will indeed be interesting. I have to wonder if this new FORD V8 will end up in the BLUEBIRD VISION at some point since they only started using the FORD V10 propane version a few years ago and now offer the gasoline version of it in these school buses.
I never drove a FORD product with the V10 but rode in several shuttle vans/buses with them and they are very smooth and have a rather unique sound. The fact that they have been building this engine for 2 decades for not only SUPERDUTY but other OEM's plus the sole gasoline RV class A motorhome tells me that this is not a bad engine. Hopefully this eventual replacement will fit the bill as well
This seems to be some good news on the Ford side. The V10 is a fantastic engine but as one has pointed out is 20 years old. I can see Ford stroking the 6.2L and making it a torque monster for a gas engine. For fuel efficiency, Ford could go cylinder deactivation https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/feu/en/news/2016/11/29/ford-to-offer-fuel-saving-cylinder-deactivation-tech-for-1-0-lit.html
Not only could it be an excellent power house but possible good on fuel efficiency for a large gas engine.
@papa, I can attest the cost to buy(used with low mileage) diesel. Maintain costs although high are long duration mileage, so costs are not what you think compared to the comparable big V8 gas engines. Coming from a ram which had to have the hemi plugs changed every 30K(all 16 of them), my diesel is actually cheaper to own than that Hemi. Plus the 4-5MPG difference was huge when towing my camper. NOt to mention fuel prices not much different since the hemi was 89 octane, evern better compared tot he 6.2 twins, which are 93 fuel requirement. I will disagree with the statements on diesel. I had a friend who had the 2500 silverado with the 8L engine and that thing was in fact a major gas hog.
Please FORD don't leave we will give you 200 million
rime Minister Justin Trudeau and Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne announced the conditional grants of up to $102.4 million each at a Ford engine plant in Windsor, Ont., on Thursday.
@Nitro
Diesel is an option, for people who need the torque it becomes essential.
Nobody is building Mack trucks with gas engines anymore (not that I know of).
Nobody is building steamships that run on regular unleaded.
Nobody is building passenger jets that run on ethanol.
Same with gas powered 3/4 ton trucks. The gas engine option works for a lot of folks who just don't need the higher price of diesel engines.
@papajim--Should I get the V8 in my next truck? The Honda Ridgeline doesn't have a V8.
My wife has had 2 Fords since she had her 77 Accord for over 17 years.
We liked the Fords and had reliable service from them but since buying a new CRV in 2013 we have a preference for Hondas.
I also like my Honda Harmony lawn mower.
I will have to see this new Ridgeline in person but this looks to be a much better and more usable truck.
So they are replacing the 6.2 which dominated the work truck challenge with a new better engine ? You gotta give it to Ford totally leaving Ram and GM in the last century.
Posted by: Cool | Mar 30, 2017 11:43:37 PM
Really, Ford finally gets a solid box frame. Still rides like crap and is made from recycled beer cans. lol.Don't forget all the recalls.
2017 Ram 2500 Tradesman 4x2,
" Ram performed the best in our measured testing, taking first place."
"That makes it hard to argue with the Ram's work truck cred."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAp2XF6J6K8
Stay thirsty,
Cylinder deactivation seems to work when it's designed right.
GM and CHRYSLER have had many problems with them.
I thought FORD came out with twin turbo charging to counter the concept of cylinder deactivation?
@crabby, Reaaly first i have heard of any problems with cylinder deactavation. Tons of problems with the Eco bust. Carbon build up limp mode. Hell even a Ford tech bought a Ram. lol
I'm a Ford guy for 50 plus years. I've got a 99 powerstroke and I love everything about it except the cold weather starting. I live in northern Minnesota. A big torque gas engine would be great
And the 'old', tried but true, Tundra 5.7L will still beat them all silly.
Tundras forever!!!
U all need to give up on them tired gas motors. Diesel is the only thing that belongs in a truck.
A 7.0 liter twin turbocharged v10 sounds freakin awesome.
However, I think this article was supposed to be posted tomorrow. #April 1st
"I thought FORD came out with twin turbo charging to counter the concept of cylinder deactivation?"
CrabbyMilton
No.
Turbo engines with DI can be tuned to behave like diesel engines. They also "test" better than V8's of comparable power when it comes to mpg and emissions.
Even with cylinder deactivation you still have 4 cylinders running though their cycles. GM and FCA went to cylinder deactivation because it is easier to engineer into an overhead valve engine.
Another factor is the global application of the technology. Ford streamlined operations under "One Ford" Global. A turbo 4 cylinder or turbo V6 can work in countries with displacement limits.
Ford 3.5 Eco gets dragged by a RAM Eco Diesel lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfhhGI34FAg
"They also "test" better than V8's of comparable power when it comes to mpg and emissions."
Posted by: Lou | Mar 31, 2017 10:10:27 PM
Lets see the proof?
@crabby, Reaaly first i have heard of any problems with cylinder deactavation. Tons of problems with the Eco bust. Carbon build up limp mode. Hell even a Ford tech bought a Ram. lol
Posted by: HEMI V8 | Mar 31, 2017 12:48:21 PM
Not sure what magazine you read but in the real dealership world we see a ton of issues with the 5.7 hemi with the cylinder deactivation system. Mostly failed lifters that in some cases damages the block and it requires engine replacement. In many cases the pushrods needs replaced from the lifter failures. Not as many but we see a lot of stuck rings due to running on 4 cylinders and needing more fuel. Engine replacement is needed because Fiat/Chrysler does not want us to repair it. But they also give us a hard time with replacements too. I have to send out an oil sample for testing because they want to pin the repair in the customer for abuse. But they never come back bad. So after causing us headaches and the customers they finally approve the engines. We see a few 6.4L engines too but they are pretty new yet. If it wasn't for warranty work I would be able to afford as much as I can now.
Ford 3.5 Eco gets dragged by a RAM Eco Diesel lol
Posted by: HEMI V8 | Mar 31, 2017 10:21:11 PM
You do realize that is just dumb right. Those eco diesels are gutless pieces of junk. Our diesel guys love those engines. Makes them plenty of money.
@Lou, Agree with your post. I don't even believe cylinder deactivation is possible with an ohc engine, as it functions through the lifters.
@HEMI V8, He said "test", not deliver real world results. I adhere to Papa Jim's theory of bigger is better, so I don't have a dog in the fight. But my co-workers who do seem to indicate that in ridge and valley driving (central PA), cylinder deactivation works better than small displacement/turboes for fuel economy.
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