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Good Mark Williams - you sure want to start controversy ha ha!

You can’t talk earth day, without the climate change that can no longer be denied.

There are those who would say - I don’t care! And that’s suppose to end all the conversation about earth day!

keeping our air clean, our waters pure, and our land green - those who are non believers will they love to drink Flint full of lead water .......hmmmm...

Or ignoring the impacts of climate change, putting our natural resources, wildlife, and public health at risk.

Great post In addition to recycling, slow down and drive a small truck, you can also waste less energy by simply turning your thermostat down in your house to 65 degrees in the day and down to 55 degrees at night.

Put on a sweater to keep warm.

The energy shortage is real and we must learn to live more thriftily, use less gas, and drive smaller trucks like the Honda Ridgeline.

There are some very good lease deals on compact cars that everyone should check out.

We are in an energy crisis.

I remember the old days and Jimmy Carter would be proud of PUTC.

You can’t talk earth day, without the climate change that can no longer be denied.

@David Robertson

Who denies Climate Change? The question is What Causes It?

The human race has been on earth less than 2 million years---climate change has been happening since the time of the earliest dinosaurs. Every indication is that several periods of animal life on earth died out because of changing weather conditions, but these animals existed many millions of years before the first humans.

So, those who disagree with you want to drink lead in their water...really?

They should start by recycling all Rams to save the Earth.

The energy shortage is real and we must learn to live more thriftily, use less gas, and drive smaller trucks like the Honda Ridgeline.

There are some very good lease deals on compact cars that everyone should check out.

We are in an energy crisis.

I remember the old days and Jimmy Carter would be proud of PUTC.
Posted by: Jeff S. Carter | Apr 22, 2017 12:11:47 PM

Well said!

@Jeff Carter

I realize that math is a tough subject for some of you. Driving a small truck does not save fuel---here's why.

If the work you are doing requires a half ton truck, using a smaller truck will require you to make more trips to accomplish the same task.

@ papajim

The question is What Causes It?
A. Union Carbide
& infinite factories that dumped their arsenic chemicals for the mighty dollar.

Most of the destruction to the earth is done because of greed . Mankind has a habit of thinking only of himself and not his fellow neighbors. The mighty dollar rules.

@Mr Robertson

So let me get this straight. Union Carbide killed the dinosaurs too? You sound like you're on a mission.

Is it still called climate change because I thought it was cold climate disruption or maybe I'm wrong. Global warming and global cooling didn't quite make the cut so let's just stretch out the lie a little further.
Climate change or whatever it's called now is nothing but a giant hoax.

Called,not cold.

The earth has gone through warming and cooling cycles without human interference before. How do doomsday sayers explain the 1513 map by cartographer Admiral Piri Reis that depict Antarctica without polar ice caps that are now a mile thick? Accurately might I add.

What about all the plastic in new trucks?
Look at all the plastic we throw away, bottles, bags, containers!
Look at all the plastic in your new truck! Even many engine parts including the intake manifold is plastic.

@papa jim--I guess you never read about the Bhopal disaster or maybe since it happened in India it shouldn't matter. Below is the link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_disaster.

I think the extreme of denying that man has contributed to climate change is just as crazy as those who claim that we should not drive or do anything that might effect the environment. There is a happy medium between extremes. Papa jim maybe we should eliminate all environmental rules and while we are at it we should be able to dump anything in our waters. Maybe we could go back to throwing garbage out in the street. We could aspire to the pollution levels that China has. I think most people want to do the right thing and become good stewards of where we live but I don't think most of us our extremist. Yes there have been many periods of climate changes on Earth but just because that has happened does not mean that we should disregard others rights to a clean environment. I don't think that the coal rollers are winning people to clean coal. Those that are working in the coal industry are most likely not the ones rolling coal but the idiots that are rolling coal are hurting those workers just as much as the extreme environmentalists.

@papajim--I don't know who Jeff S Carter is but it is his right to drive whatever makes him happy just as much as its your right to drive around a V-8 half ton Silverado with an empty bed. Just because one owns a smaller truck doesn't mean they cannot use it to haul stuff in. I would rather haul hard waste in my S-10 to the place I buy mulch from than put it my my CRV. Maybe I don't want to dirty up the interior and I use my truck for other things besides hauling. That is the reason I kept my old S-10 when I bought a new truck was for the hauling away of stuff that I didn't want to do in a nicer newer vehicle. It is just as environmental to keep an older vehicle running and in good condition than to keep buying the latest vehicle. Takes a lot of energy to make vehicle. Being thrifty and practical is being good stewards of your finances and the environment.

I hate getting on this topic here but....yes the climate has been changing for billions of years, far before humans and will continue afterwards. The issue is the rate of change. Earth is heating faster than any period we can find dating back millions and millions of years. Again it isn't the total temperature it is the rate of change.

We are currently sitting in the 5th major mass extinction event on the planet. Will humans survive, of course, will we like the decimation to food production, living quality, disease, population declines that will come from the preceding?!

end rant

Man caused global warming is based on alarmism and faulty computer modeling.

@howam00--Good points. I hate to get too much on this topic. True global warming has been going on for planet Earth since the beginning but we as a species have been speeding up the process. I am not so worried about Earth surviving but we as a species could become extinct, but regardless the Earth will survive. The Earth has been able to heal itself and if things get out of balance then nature will take care of it even if it means extinction of certain species.

True global warming has been going on for planet Earth since the beginning but we as a species have been speeding up the process.

@JDS

What you wrote, above, is wrong on the facts. The correct answer is Nobody knows for sure. For all we know, the entire idea that so called greenhouse gases affect the future temperature of the earth's atmosphere is complete rubbish.

These climate change theories were cooked up by college professors who get paid by publishing companies (and grants from think tanks) to propose ideas.

Being a college professor doesn't pay all that well, so getting fat grants and fat checks from publishers becomes pretty attractive, even if you do have to lie and create bogus graphs to keep that golden goose laying the eggs.

I'm in no way an expert, and frankly neither are most of the guys who have published these theories.

@papa jim--I guess you never read about the Bhopal disaster or maybe since it happened in India it shouldn't matter. Below is the link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_disaster.

I think the extreme of denying that man has contributed to climate change is just as crazy as those who claim that we should not drive or do anything that might effect the environment. There is a happy medium between extremes. Papa jim maybe we should eliminate all environmental rules and while we are at it we should be able to dump anything in our waters. Maybe we could go back to throwing garbage out in the street. We could aspire to the pollution levels that China has. I think most people want to do the right thing and become good stewards of where we live but I don't think most of us our extremist. Yes there have been many periods of climate changes on Earth but just because that has happened does not mean that we should disregard others rights to a clean environment. I don't think that the coal rollers are winning people to clean coal. Those that are working in the coal industry are most likely not the ones rolling coal but the idiots that are rolling coal are hurting those workers just as much as the extreme environmentalists.

@papajim--I don't have any children myself so pollute away. I assume you have grandchildren but their welfare is not a direct concern of mine. So are you saying that putting large amounts of pollution into the air and water has no effect on humans. Maybe we will eventually find out but then we might not be around to do anything. Pictures of the changes in the ozone are proof enough and there is been actual proof that efforts to clean up air and water have made changes for the better. Ozone has actually improved during the past 30 years because of the reduction in ozone depleting chemicals such a Freon so you are wrong. If you recommend that we eliminate all efforts to keep the environment clean then you will see a reversal. There are exaggerations from scientists and from those who say that science is fiction. There are those who say that man did not land on the moon and that it was staged. Maybe you believe that along with the Earth was created in 6 days and that there were no dinosaurs. Some religious groups believe that the Earth is only a few thousand years old and some even believe the Earth is flat.

I do believe that man has increased the level of ozone levels and that there is a certain amount of ozone depletion that will exist just by breathing and cows farting. At the same time I believe that we should with in reason try to not cause any additional harm to the ozone and our environment. I do not believe that we should eliminate all pollution and environmental standards and you have a right to your own beliefs. Again their are actual climate records and satellite pictures that document changes in the ozone and as I stated above over the past 30 years the ozone has actually improved. Fox news and the right wing pundits will tell you that science doesn't exist and that man has no effect on the environment whereas the extreme left will tell you the World is ending and that things are getting worse. Somewhere between the 2 extremes lies the truth.

If it makes you happy then go ahead and pollute, maybe you could get a diesel truck with a smokestack and roll some coal. I don't really care. See links below.

https://www.nasa.gov/centers/langley/news/researchernews/rn_ozone.html

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/06/ozone-layer-mend-thanks-chemical-ban

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/ozone-layer-is-healing-but-we-are-now-contributing-to-climate-change-more-than-ever-9725631.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2014/09/11/ozone-layer-is-healing-expected-to-recover-by-around-2050-major-report-finds/?utm

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/01/health/antarctic-ozone-layer-healing/

@JDS

Really?

Take a breath dude. CNN and the Washington Post are far more idealogically driven than Fox.

During the Obama years NASA and NOAA became heavily political. Ditto CDC.

In addition to the federal funding all of these government agencies receive heavy funding from non profits and other groups affiliated with billionaire George Soros.

If you don't know who Soros is, look it up.

Regarding science and intellectual process, start doing some reading--you sound like you have been brainwashed.

@papa jim--I guess you never read about the Bhopal disaster or maybe since it happened in India it shouldn't matter. Below is the link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_disaster.

I think the extreme of denying that man has contributed to climate change is just as crazy as those who claim that we should not drive or do anything that might effect the environment. There is a happy medium between extremes. Papa jim maybe we should eliminate all environmental rules and while we are at it we should be able to dump anything in our waters. Maybe we could go back to throwing garbage out in the street. We could aspire to the pollution levels that China has. I think most people want to do the right thing and become good stewards of where we live but I don't think most of us our extremist. Yes there have been many periods of climate changes on Earth but just because that has happened does not mean that we should disregard others rights to a clean environment. I don't think that the coal rollers are winning people to clean coal. Those that are working in the coal industry are most likely not the ones rolling coal but the idiots that are rolling coal are hurting those workers just as much as the extreme environmentalists.

@papajim--As typical you bloviate things without doing any research. Look at the pictures in the links I provided. We have come a long way in reducing pollution but according to your hypothesis there is none and this is all a hoax. I remember someone I went to school with brought a sample of water from the Houston Ship Channel and threw a match in it and the water burned up. It is because that we had clean air, clean water, and ozone standards that things have gotten better. At this point I am older and have less years ahead of me so I don't care as much but then others that have children and grandchildren might have more of a stake in the future of human survival. As I stated before the planet will survive but then we might not survive as a species but maybe that is what God intended. in your case ignorance is bliss. I don't really care what right wing propaganda you believe but then I don't put much stock in your narrow views. After I am gone I don't have anyone to carry on so go ahead pollute and leave your grand kids with your own legacy. There is a happy medium between those who do not believe in climate change and those who believe everything mankind does is harmful. I am neither extreme but apparently you are the extreme but its your choice and your grand kids future.

@papa jim--Yes I know who George Soros is and I know who the Koch brothers are--both are extremist on opposite ends. You seem to buy into whatever the extreme right wing espouses. I do not trust either nor do I put my faith in Government but there is science that has documented environmental changes and there is evidence in that water and air is much cleaner than it was 30 years ago. I don't believe in eliminating all standards but then I believe that a pragmatic approach should be used that takes into account costs and incremental benefits that are derived from those costs. Personally I am glad that air and water are much cleaner than they were 30 years ago and that seat belts and safety standards have made vehicles much safer than they were 30 to 50 years ago. There are many fatalities from automobile accidents where those have been involved have been killed. Regardless of the number of laws passed and the efforts of law enforcement there will always be those who will not wear seat belts and die in accidents. Maybe those who choose not to use seat belts should get the Darwin award--you cannot protect an idiot from themselves. I don't really care to save the World, people will hate you for it and punish you accordingly. Maybe the best viewpoint is to let people destroy themselves whether it be in reckless behavior or drugs. I myself would prefer not to take additional risks and I do like to breath cleaner air and drink cleaner water and I am grateful that those in the past fought for these changes. I don't agree with everything the Government does nor do I agree with everything that environmental groups do but I am grateful for many of the changes they have fought for in that it most of the changes have made my life better

@Jeff S

Please learn to debate without giving long winded speeches.

Try to respect alternative points of view. Learn to approach others with humility and modesty. Try to be happy.

Have a great day.

@papajim --You need to learn to be humble and to see other viewpoints instead of being so rigid and narrow. I am not interested in a debate--leave debates up to the politicians. I don't see things as rigid and black and white as you. You be happy as well, the World will still go on long after we are gone.

Papa jim maybe we should eliminate all environmental rules and while we are at it we should be able to dump anything in our waters.

Jeff S, Papajim wants dirty air, dirty water - really? So you think the environmental movement is about clean air, water and polar bears? You don't know what you are talking about and your intimidation tactics will not work on papajim. And also please don't try to tell us "you don't know who JDS is." You need a break from posting. Your hostility to papajim's commonsense views are giving you an addiction that you need to get help for...

@Chris--What common sense? Explain to me how an extreme view whether right leaning or left leaning is common sense. Common sense is to look at what progress has been made and to acknowledge that. There is a happy medium between extremes. When did I ever mention Polar Bears. I mentioned only the extinction of human beings but we as a species are doing that on our own. Maybe that is meant to be.

"...in 25 years, somewhere between 75 and 80 percent of all the species of living animals will be extinct."

@JDS

The above quote refers to the top guy at the Smithsonian back in 1970. There are dozens of other hyperbolic examples of otherwise responsible scientists and professors making outlandish statements of the sort you're making.

There's no question that Earth's human population can be more responsible in the use of our resources, and the preservation of natural assets. Please just try to realize that much of what you read on this topic is bogus science designed for political consumption, not scientific advancement.

papajim will not divide us!

LOL!!!

Elizabeth Warren 2020!

@papa jim--I guess you never read about the Bhopal disaster or maybe since it happened in India it shouldn't matter. Below is the link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_disaster.

I think the extreme of denying that man has contributed to climate change is just as crazy as those who claim that we should not drive or do anything that might effect the environment. There is a happy medium between extremes. Papa jim maybe we should eliminate all environmental rules and while we are at it we should be able to dump anything in our waters. Maybe we could go back to throwing garbage out in the street. We could aspire to the pollution levels that China has. I think most people want to do the right thing and become good stewards of where we live but I don't think most of us our extremist. Yes there have been many periods of climate changes on Earth but just because that has happened does not mean that we should disregard others rights to a clean environment. I don't think that the coal rollers are winning people to clean coal. Those that are working in the coal industry are most likely not the ones rolling coal but the idiots that are rolling coal are hurting those workers just as much as the extreme environmentalists.

As typical you bloviate things without doing any research. Look at the pictures in the links I provided. We have come a long way in reducing pollution but according to your hypothesis there is none and this is all a hoax. I remember someone I went to school with brought a sample of water from the Houston Ship Channel and threw a match in it and the water burned up. It is because that we had clean air, clean water, and ozone standards that things have gotten better. At this point I am older and have less years ahead of me so I don't care as much but then others that have children and grandchildren might have more of a stake in the future of human survival. As I stated before the planet will survive but then we might not survive as a species but maybe that is what God intended. in your case ignorance is bliss. I don't really care what right wing propaganda you believe but then I don't put much stock in your narrow views. After I am gone I don't have anyone to carry on so go ahead pollute and leave your grand kids with your own legacy. There is a happy medium between those who do not believe in climate change and those who believe everything mankind does is harmful. I am neither extreme but apparently you are the extreme but its your choice and your grand kids future.

Yes I know who George Soros is and I know who the Koch brothers are--both are extremist on opposite ends. You seem to buy into whatever the extreme right wing espouses. I do not trust either nor do I put my faith in Government but there is science that has documented environmental changes and there is evidence in that water and air is much cleaner than it was 30 years ago. I don't believe in eliminating all standards but then I believe that a pragmatic approach should be used that takes into account costs and incremental benefits that are derived from those costs. Personally I am glad that air and water are much cleaner than they were 30 years ago and that seat belts and safety standards have made vehicles much safer than they were 30 to 50 years ago. There are many fatalities from automobile accidents where those have been involved have been killed. Regardless of the number of laws passed and the efforts of law enforcement there will always be those who will not wear seat belts and die in accidents. Maybe those who choose not to use seat belts should get the Darwin award--you cannot protect an idiot from themselves. I don't really care to save the World, people will hate you for it and punish you accordingly. Maybe the best viewpoint is to let people destroy themselves whether it be in reckless behavior or drugs. I myself would prefer not to take additional risks and I do like to breath cleaner air and drink cleaner water and I am grateful that those in the past fought for these changes. I don't agree with everything the Government does nor do I agree with everything that environmental groups do but I am grateful for many of the changes they have fought for in that it most of the changes have made my life better